Do Thicker Guitars Sustain Longer? - Let's Find Out!

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Darrell Braun Guitar

Darrell Braun Guitar

6 жыл бұрын

Will a thicker guitar shave longer sustain?
We test 6 guitars in a head-to-head sustain challenge!
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@Giggiyygoo
@Giggiyygoo 4 жыл бұрын
That Ibanez is so beautiful, I wouldn't care if it sustained like a ukulele.
@BFHPET
@BFHPET 3 жыл бұрын
not my taste the j custom is more nice looking
@JohnPork912
@JohnPork912 3 жыл бұрын
@@BFHPET this is the internet, no ones really cares about your opinions here.
@BFHPET
@BFHPET 3 жыл бұрын
@@JohnPork912 well you did obviously. lol
@realtruenorth
@realtruenorth 2 жыл бұрын
@@BFHPET J customs are nice,,I have 2. I also have a prestige that is a beat
@BFHPET
@BFHPET 2 жыл бұрын
@@realtruenorth im whaitting for a j custom in red they look so awesome wish they gonna make them next year when do they usally update the colours ?
@chrisarias4055
@chrisarias4055 6 жыл бұрын
*grab popcorn* and read the comment section
@seabl00setunes62
@seabl00setunes62 4 жыл бұрын
you read my mind. tis gonna be fun :)
@Leo_69
@Leo_69 4 жыл бұрын
, 😂noice
@garyjohnson1970
@garyjohnson1970 3 жыл бұрын
Technique is true sustain. Guy picked up my guitar....and made it weep! We were the band, but the whole party stopped, and turned around...he stole the show. And we loved it!!
@ryanrobinson2300
@ryanrobinson2300 6 жыл бұрын
I think there are so many factors when it comes to sustain
@TheHumbuckerboy
@TheHumbuckerboy 6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely.
@orlock20
@orlock20 6 жыл бұрын
Also one can buy things to increase sustain beyond its usefulness for any guitar.
@Stormcloakvictory
@Stormcloakvictory 5 жыл бұрын
Neck attachment type, high downward pressure on the bridge, bridge saddle and nut material, strings used. I'm not a luthier but I know they affect sustain.
@npc2071
@npc2071 4 жыл бұрын
@@orlock20 can you recommend one such thing to increase sustain?
@bumpyroad3251
@bumpyroad3251 4 жыл бұрын
@@npc2071 Yeah, stick with hardtail neck through mahogany guitars, like Les Paul.
@jacobreece1971
@jacobreece1971 6 жыл бұрын
T H I C C 👌
@mushkamusic
@mushkamusic 6 жыл бұрын
I would expect the hardness of the materials to have more of an effect than the thickness of the body.
@DovidM
@DovidM Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Also a fixed bridge sustains better than a floating bridge.
@EDAR96
@EDAR96 6 жыл бұрын
Damn that epiphone had a much nicer looking finish than the traditional Gibson
@peterschmidt9942
@peterschmidt9942 6 жыл бұрын
Epi make some very nice looking guitars. I've got a lemon/honey flame top SG with gold hardware. Not sure of the fretboard wood, but it's not rosewood. Looks awesome and never seen another in a store since I got it, but I'd imagine there's more around.
@markcheetah4960
@markcheetah4960 6 жыл бұрын
I've got one of those, too! I'm pretty sure the fingerboard is rosewood, though. I bought it used online. The back of the headstock says "Epiphone Custom Shop."
@peterschmidt9942
@peterschmidt9942 6 жыл бұрын
Mark - I can't get at mine right now (behind a pile of other guitars), but I seem to remember it had a got a custom shop logo on it as well. Yours might be rosewood, mine I'm not so sure as it's a lot lighter looking than rosewood is. It's almost like black butt. Being a custom it could have anything on it! Thick neck on them too.
@markcheetah4960
@markcheetah4960 6 жыл бұрын
Mine's behind a pile as well! LOL I wouldn't mind knowing the exact name that they were selling them as, to look up the specs. I saw one for sale on eBay almost 10 years ago... I think the seller listed it as a "custom SG" or something. He was asking almost $700 for it, used. I got mine for around $350. Your fingerboard could be Pau Ferro... it's lighter than rosewood
@peterschmidt9942
@peterschmidt9942 6 жыл бұрын
Could be right on the fingerboard. I bought mine new over 10 years ago from a local shop, setup was good and actually sounded good acoustically - that's why I bought it - didn't even plug it in! Think I paid around $700AUD for it at the time. But damn they looked good! Promised the missus I wouldn't buy a guitar at the guitar show, so I bought one on the way home!
@Dankyjrthethird
@Dankyjrthethird 6 жыл бұрын
thicc vs stick
@codythedoggo7671
@codythedoggo7671 4 жыл бұрын
*sticc*
@martyboucher2348
@martyboucher2348 4 жыл бұрын
@@codythedoggo7671 Sthicc
@justaguy6415
@justaguy6415 3 жыл бұрын
*T H I C C* vs *sticc*
@mearkitek3773
@mearkitek3773 6 жыл бұрын
Great comparisons! It really makes me appreciate Leo Fender and the great design work he did in the initial Teles and Strats...he nailed so many things that have passed the test of time.
@miguelfernandes333
@miguelfernandes333 4 жыл бұрын
What about the guitars being set neck, bolt on, or neck through, wouldn't that affect sustain in pair with body thickness?
@AdamGtr86
@AdamGtr86 3 жыл бұрын
Everything effects everything, including pickups.
@whatskraken3886
@whatskraken3886 3 жыл бұрын
just like tonewood, it really DOES NOT MATTER
@danielsgrunge
@danielsgrunge 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the difference is very very small tho
@realtruenorth
@realtruenorth 2 жыл бұрын
@@whatskraken3886 doesn't matter is opinion. But it changes things 100% no doubt.
@whatskraken3886
@whatskraken3886 2 жыл бұрын
@@realtruenorth eh
@metalheadblues
@metalheadblues 6 жыл бұрын
Now that you pointed out the toggle switch on the Ibanez I can't unsee it. Such a silly move by Ibanez.
@tonycolantonio4640
@tonycolantonio4640 6 жыл бұрын
metalheadblues, I'm sure there is a reason for it, maybe to keep dust out so it doesn't get "scratchy" over time?
@metalheadblues
@metalheadblues 6 жыл бұрын
Tony Colantonio could be yet most guitars don't have it
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+metalheadblues Sorry!!
@kiyuemadkick
@kiyuemadkick 6 жыл бұрын
The S series has a thin edges so the switch is large so the toggle switch has that black dome on it to raise it above the body and cover it up aesthetically.
@tonycolantonio4640
@tonycolantonio4640 6 жыл бұрын
Kiyu Madkick, makes sense
@alexaudiovisuals
@alexaudiovisuals 6 жыл бұрын
Darrell.. youre bad for my guitar progress ^^ i keep watching your videos instead of practicing more :( you just seem like such a super nice guy and your videos are so well made.. i cant stop
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+Alex R 😄 Thanks man!
@jordyboy321
@jordyboy321 6 жыл бұрын
That ibanez s series is a beaut.
@elbik95
@elbik95 6 жыл бұрын
From a scientific perspective, the thickness should have less to do with it than the rigidity of the guitar (and the structure where the strings are supported)... If it is more rigid, the strings would be less dampened, therefore they should vibrate longer... You also have the magnets pulling the strings, you have to take that in mind too
@Ryandgeorgi
@Ryandgeorgi 6 жыл бұрын
Luis Coll if you really want to talk science.. Three things: 1- what you're actually testing for (open string sustain when plucked) is too easily influenced by the human variable (plucking strings differently every time). I find it hard to believe that the force with which he's hitting each string really is consistent. And by only giving each guitar one try, this really can't serve as very conclusive evidence. 2- Magnets: they're actually not gonna make a difference. WillsEasyGuitar made a video where he demonstrated this with a huge magnet, and there was no significant difference. 3- String gauge, anyone? Simple physics says heavier strings will sustain longer.. So why aren't we all loading up with 12s or 13s? That's something that I think would be worth confirming. But again, when it comes down to just measuring the end result (that being your guitar sound in a mix), these things are pretty trivial. Same applies to the whole tonewood debate. Now science aside, does it make sense to carry around a very heavy guitar just because it "has more sustain"? I don't think so man. I wouldn't do it. Just use technique, EQ and compression to get the sound you're going for. All this aside.. Those licks were amazing. I couldn't care less about what you're playing if you play like that. Great job
@BoltRM
@BoltRM 6 жыл бұрын
Also dare I say type / properties of wood used. And whether chambered for other guitars.
@noi5emaker
@noi5emaker 6 жыл бұрын
No. 2, very good point Ryan. Lots of people think that magnets pull on strings with any sort of significant effect. You can test this by holding a pickup above the strings while they vibrate. The only time it will dampen the strings is if you're doing something silly like having two neodymium humbuckers and a neo single coil in one guitar. Tried that. Never again! A note would last less than a second!
@JRCGuitarist
@JRCGuitarist 6 жыл бұрын
Ryan Georgi I think because of the seemingly sensitive nature of the guitar, minor things do affect the tone. Which is why I agree with the tonewood. Whether we can hear it is what’s at question. Now, if someone is using something to measure, eh... I can see their reason. Other than that the pickups, headstock, etc... is more important. I think carrying around a heavy guitar because it sustains better sounds like a good idea, if you don’t want to buy more than a few pedals. Which in my case, I’m not a pedal collector. I just need about 5 pedals to get my own tone. I would like that my guitar tone is just as much apart of my sound than just pedals. I also don’t care for light weight guitars. I’m used to heavier guitars, so, I’m comfortable. I do agree that the amount of force used when plucking the strings is important, but since as I said the guitar seems to be sensitive, it’s difficult to make accurate comparisons. Even in larger strings, that would be difficult. Unless someone builds a machine that has more control. Then you have made sure the guitar exactly set up the same, which according to some techs is nearly impossible. So many different variables. For that reason, the results would if anything just be what is very likely the case. As to the strings. I don’t think it would be necessary to do that since he was primarily comparing the body of the guitar. To my knowledge smaller gauge string are more common. So, using those strings make more sense. It would be cool to see how this goes for large strings, at least for those who use them. But if I’m just testing the body in a more general way, I think a general approach is good. However, if he were to use larger strings, that would be more about the strings ability to sustain than the body of the guitar alone. I think a more accurate way of being able to tell, is to do it in a way where the strings or certain factors don’t interfere much. I’m surprised no one has mentioned that the way the guitar is strung, and the full set up of the guitar makes a difference. For example, I have the Jimi Strat, which has the reverse head stock. It is said that the headstock being in reverse allows the low E to sustain. Les Paul’s are known for sustain, but this is said to be the design. How does this design compare to others? Is this design interfering with the results of the test of the body type? But again, the body is the focus, and since there are so many factors to consider, I can see the point. I wonder if a channel will come along and devote the time to doing an extensive scientific test on guitars. That would answer a lot of minor level questions but still fun to know.
@ashscott6068
@ashscott6068 6 жыл бұрын
The magnetic field has no real effect on sustain...UNTIL the guitar is plugged in. In fact, even unplugged, there is still a small current flowing through the volume pot. That current isn't free. Just like a dynamo that's easy to turn by hand, suddenly becomes harder when you put a load on it, same happens with guitar pickups. A guy just holding a magnet by the strings and expecting that to prove something, is just putting his own ignorance on display. How big the effect is, is another matter. 500mV is a lot for a guitar pickup, and the impedance of the circuit is pretty high, so we're not talking much power. But what there is, is all taken from the kinetic energy of the string. All the same...I have a feeling that a single pickup guitar would have better sustain, simply from not having a hole routed near the neck pocket. All these tiny details mean nothing. Great guitars don't make great songs; great songs make great guitars. A strat through a fuzz-face would sound like ass to anyone in 1940, cus they'd never heard a good piece of music recorded that way.
@sparkimoto
@sparkimoto 4 жыл бұрын
I have an interesting experiment to try next: See how variations in scale length and string gauge effect sustain!
@andrewstump6138
@andrewstump6138 6 жыл бұрын
"Team chunk and team skinny-minny" 😆I love it! Awesome playing as usual!
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+Andrew Stump 😄 Thanks!
@floydgtr
@floydgtr 5 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: Gibson wanted the Les Paul to have a good sustain but not too much(idk why?)!
@matthewk320
@matthewk320 6 жыл бұрын
i have never thought about it. that was very good to learn
@shauncarter924
@shauncarter924 6 жыл бұрын
This video, while well thought out and informative, proved one thing to me. I need more guitars. Nice work!!
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+Shaun carter 😄😄😄 Thanks man!
@mutantbaby1672
@mutantbaby1672 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for yet another informative video. Awesome.
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+Mutant Baby Anytime! ☺
@tonidupont-mora1572
@tonidupont-mora1572 6 жыл бұрын
Great test!
@ruchirsajwan
@ruchirsajwan 6 жыл бұрын
Very nicely put
@vincentcuclair5522
@vincentcuclair5522 2 жыл бұрын
Nice playing btw Darrell!
@Diego-valdivia
@Diego-valdivia 6 жыл бұрын
Glad this was a measured experiment! Good stuff man
@musicplaylists59
@musicplaylists59 6 жыл бұрын
that bit of lead you played on the les paul traditional sounded great
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+Music Playlists Thanks!
@rickmason6136
@rickmason6136 5 жыл бұрын
3:24 that solo makes me keep coming back to this video it just beautiful
@wheel2man
@wheel2man 6 жыл бұрын
Great job on getting some good data on this... but all I can focus on right now is the soul stirring playing you were doing. Wow. Going back to listen some more now. Been sick for a while, and this is the kind of sound that makes me forget all that for a while. Amazing.
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+Anthony P Thanks Anthony! Feel better soon ☺
@wheel2man
@wheel2man 6 жыл бұрын
Darrell Braun Guitar Thank you!
@Hilai619
@Hilai619 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome work man, u are the best
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+Hilai YOLO Thanks man! Right back at ya ☺
@Bigjoedo66
@Bigjoedo66 6 жыл бұрын
Another great video Darrell !! The Ibanez S series surprised me, since it is so thin.
@JEC920
@JEC920 6 жыл бұрын
You are my favourite guitar channel.. like by far. Just to let you know :)
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+Josh Clarke Thanks Josh!
@NoStringsAttached777
@NoStringsAttached777 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting video done well.I especially like the sounds you were able to produce, what amp and set up were you using for the tests? Also, I don't think I have ever seen such shiny guitar tops! Do you use any specific product on them? Thanks
@ricstormwolf
@ricstormwolf 3 жыл бұрын
The intro with the Ibanez earned a like off the bat. I'd love to hear you do an album of tracks like that on that Ibanez. It was beautiful.
@chrisglitto9164
@chrisglitto9164 6 жыл бұрын
Great topic,I would be interested to see how a clamp on sustainer or different strings could measurably affect sustain,or nuts even.Valuable info for anyone thinking of buying a guitar, thanks!
@citadel9611
@citadel9611 6 жыл бұрын
Nicely done Sir Darrell.
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+Citadel Thanks! ☺
@WeeFreeMan78
@WeeFreeMan78 6 жыл бұрын
Great video once again, no surpise there so thanks Darrell! Just to add my personal experience, I've owned quite few really good guitars and they were all modded in some way. Tried different pups, setups, electronic upgrades etc. My current guitars are a wonderful LP deluxe, a Chapman Ml3RC and the one I want to come to, the underdog, a 1990 Washburn N2 all stock. It's a wee guitar, thin and small bodied, very similar to the S series but that thing out-sustains every single guitar I 've ever owned or played. So much so that every time I went guitar or amp shopping I always bought her with me as a reference point and still haven't found one to beat her. And of course never crossed my mind changing anything on it fearing I might spoil it. Don't know, maybe they hit some kind of sweet spot when they made it and the woods-pups-electronics all came together. Only goes to show that sustain is a combination of many, often not thought of, factors
@ot5226
@ot5226 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the very useful presentation
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+O T Anytime! ☺
@gogosep
@gogosep 6 жыл бұрын
This would be interesting with semi acoustic guitars thrown into the mix
@pakiplexx8481
@pakiplexx8481 6 жыл бұрын
You are the best. Keep making videos. And may one day we can play together. 😀
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+Pakiplexx Thanks man! Right back at ya ☺
@Rooster7six
@Rooster7six 6 жыл бұрын
Pakiplexx dude has 191,000 subscribers! He's not going anywhere!
@pakiplexx8481
@pakiplexx8481 6 жыл бұрын
Rooster 7six 🐓 funny name. You have to believe in your dreams. 😉
@drinoyoutubechannel9757
@drinoyoutubechannel9757 6 жыл бұрын
Greate! Didn't know that.. But yeah, defenetly a fixed bridge or a vintage style tremolo will give you for sure more sustain and more middle/high tones as well.
@IntoTheForest
@IntoTheForest 6 жыл бұрын
Put a sustaniac pickup in any guitar = virtually infinite sustain!!!!
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+Into The Forest 😀👍👍👍
@michaelcraig9449
@michaelcraig9449 6 жыл бұрын
Who makes sustainiac pickups?
@Usgmusteret
@Usgmusteret 6 жыл бұрын
Fernandes Sustainer
@alexanders562
@alexanders562 6 жыл бұрын
Allen Hoover makes Sustainiac. Fernandes literally did a poor rip off. I have Sustainiac on two of my guitars and it is the instant smooth feedback, endless sustain
@tinktinkputra2316
@tinktinkputra2316 5 жыл бұрын
Who want to hear 1 single note ringing for hours? For me if it can sustain like the cheapest squier then i'm quite happy
@Rastametalpunkman
@Rastametalpunkman 6 жыл бұрын
i enjoy your playing so much man! lot of gilmour in there!
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+Bullnec You are too kind! Thanks ☺
@randal7101
@randal7101 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Darrel thanks so much for your videos, I enjoy them so much, they are incredibly interesting... I was thinking, could it be possible to do this test experiment with different woods, necks, guitar setups, tremolo, floyd rose, to find which combination would teorically produce the most sustain and try it!
@PicksPaints
@PicksPaints 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome video again Darrell. You really opened Pandora's Box with this one! Hope you're prepared for the firefight! There is one definitive result shown, and that would be on the floating trem guitar. With so many variables it really is impossible to draw a super accurate conclusion with different materials and densities of the saddles and nuts, (insert inappropriate remarks here) how hard each string was plucked, etc. But, I do like the fact that there is someone with enough cajones to go down this rabbit hole and attempt to be objective about it. Thanks Darrell! PS. I've been quietly complaining about that horrid 5-way switch on the S series guitars for YEARS now. You're not alone.
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+DaveR 😄 Thanks man! Good to know I'm not alone.
@sensei1ish
@sensei1ish 6 жыл бұрын
Those jams in between, loved them :D
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+Jawless Python Thanks man!
@acxeljimenez6846
@acxeljimenez6846 6 жыл бұрын
Great video, you’re really good 👍🏻
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+Acxel Jimenez Thanks man!
@ronammar5021
@ronammar5021 4 жыл бұрын
I always wondered if raising the tailpiece on a Les paul/SG reduces string tension and increases sustain. Would be a cool thing to test.
@Tomcat82
@Tomcat82 4 жыл бұрын
Scale length, tuning, and string gauge all affect string tension, but the tailpiece height does not.
@giordanorivolta4012
@giordanorivolta4012 4 жыл бұрын
Why di you believe that less string tension = more sustain???????!!!
@talkychris
@talkychris 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting video Darrell. What modifications have you made to your LP Traditional? I have a 2015 model in Ocean Blue. I swapped the G-Force unit for Hipshot open gear locking tuners, replaced the brass nut with the custom made for Les Paul height adjustable GraphTech nut, then took it to a shop for a full Plek set up. It plays amazingly now and of the 11 guitars I own wins hands down for sustain. But it's as heavy as a lump of granite and not one I can play comfortably for any long periods.
@tonyryan6688
@tonyryan6688 5 жыл бұрын
I love your videos. It is amazing how much can be said about 6 wires stretched over a piece of wood!
@jonathanrodriguez5584
@jonathanrodriguez5584 6 жыл бұрын
Man love your channel! Great sounds! Can you tell me what amp did you used at that intro which i guess was the same for the test!? Thanks~!
@zootsanchez
@zootsanchez 6 жыл бұрын
Sustain too! A new S Prestige can really hold its own against a vintage Les Paul in loads of surprising areas. Their resale value right now is below par but I reckon they're going to be really collectible in 15-20 years time.
@tommyturner6923
@tommyturner6923 6 жыл бұрын
I would like to see a shootout between pickups mounted to pickguard vs pickups mounted straight to the body, given that the guitars are similar in other aspects.
@rotfaun2852
@rotfaun2852 6 жыл бұрын
Anybody else wanna go grab their guitars, after watching Darrell’s videos?
@nnn__
@nnn__ 3 жыл бұрын
i grab first, strum some and turns out i dont want to watch anymore
@0000song0000
@0000song0000 4 жыл бұрын
5:19 I thought I was the only one I guess that's because a lot of us leant on either classical or acoustic guitars. And because we practiced unplugged a lot
@David__
@David__ 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting comparison Darrell! Would be great to see more guitars compared. :)
@collincassady
@collincassady 2 жыл бұрын
Super informative
@marcuslecky4982
@marcuslecky4982 6 жыл бұрын
Idea for a video: Do thicker strings really sustain longer?
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+Marcus Lecký I'll add it to my list ☺
@cakenbolls442
@cakenbolls442 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@rzutyjenkin398
@rzutyjenkin398 3 жыл бұрын
No
@bluwng
@bluwng 3 жыл бұрын
Sustain isn’t how much vibration you feel in the body in fact it’s the exact opposite, that’s energy being absorbed or dampen by the body. The ideal would be strings that vibrate indefinitely with no loss to the bridge or body.
@stranger174517
@stranger174517 4 жыл бұрын
I just have to say you have very tasteful playing and economy of note choices and phrasing. Would like to hear more of your solo work.
@AeroPR
@AeroPR 5 жыл бұрын
Nice test
@bluematrix5001
@bluematrix5001 6 жыл бұрын
Cool vid, maybe should be a test between harder wood body vs Softer wood body! ...what was the height of the strings over the pickups?
@crumb5756
@crumb5756 6 жыл бұрын
You had a spelling issue in the title I think what you meant to say was "T H I C C"
@MrStropparo
@MrStropparo 6 жыл бұрын
:23 seconds was really something I haven’t heard quite like that before. Very cool.
@harisnugroho1780
@harisnugroho1780 4 жыл бұрын
GGWP Dude, i have a question the guitar that you use "Ibanez S series" what the real name can i get in the market? I dont find in indonesia...
@samchezrocks
@samchezrocks 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Darrell! Awesome videos! What type of hardware and brands do you use to make the audio recordings?
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Check out my "studio tour" video for some of the gear I use day to day ☺
@JasonECI
@JasonECI Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this great comparison, that pretty much concluded the curiosity assuming strings don't make significant difference!!! Does thicker exactly means heavier or simply bigger in size? In reality, can an electronic sustaining device compensate such sustaining shortage from all aspects?
@The_Fat_Turtle
@The_Fat_Turtle 6 жыл бұрын
Those Ibanez S-series are great, my friend had a S2020 back in the early 2000's and it was the best guitar I've ever played. So small, fast and smooth with a ton of tonal options (especially with the Piezo pickup in the bridge). Having said that, I prefer thick, heavy guitars with thick necks.
@ramonespinosa8508
@ramonespinosa8508 6 жыл бұрын
Very Good vídeo Darrell.
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! ☺
@crystaloffrost
@crystaloffrost 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. May I ask what was the amp used?
@1111stunna1111
@1111stunna1111 6 жыл бұрын
My guitars:2017 fender stratocaster American elite and 2016 squier stratocaster classic vibe both floating tremolos Results:to make it simple the classic vibe outlasted the American elite by as much as 10 seconds on every string, very sad considering the squier is only one 1/4 of the fender price, my loved squier ones again showed me why I love it so much, another great video my friend, life time subscriber here you are one of few I watch all your videos from beginning to end great work keep them comong.
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+1111stunna1111 Wow!!! Thanks for taking the time to report that. I really appreciate your kind words.
@keithrichards4185
@keithrichards4185 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Darrell .great video as always . I wanted to say this although you probably already know . When you buy a new classical guitar in the beginning it doesn't vibrate .After you play it for sometime (maybe months ) the body starts to vibrate when you play it and thus starts having a bigger sound . So its important when somebody buys a classical guitar to know that it won't sound as loud by day one
@MonsterJuiced
@MonsterJuiced 6 жыл бұрын
I always thought it was the weight and density of the wood which helped sustain. Great vid btw :)
@danaeverhart6487
@danaeverhart6487 6 жыл бұрын
Btw ! Another great comparison Darrell👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+Dana Everhart Thanks Dana!
@MrNitrocat
@MrNitrocat 6 жыл бұрын
I still LOVE that epi. So beautiful and the pick ups..Just wow. You are making me spend money to do an Epi set up like you did with yours. As far as sustain, I have a 24 fret SG that rings forever. Also have some Les Pauls that do but others that don't. With trems I have a Jackson KV2 pre fender that out sustains my PRS Custom 24 so who knows lol. Scale length, string thickness. Ofcourse set up. So many things involved.
@michaelcraig9449
@michaelcraig9449 6 жыл бұрын
What about strings? Do string thickness really make any difference? I got 10-46 on my Strat, had carpal tunnel issues for years, (from work, not guitar). I was thinking of going back to 9-42 strings on the Strat.. is there any real difference just moving between these 2 sets?
@sn95_mustang_garage
@sn95_mustang_garage 6 жыл бұрын
Cool shootout. Let's get down to brass tax. It's the wood that makes a difference. Just kidding, not going down the tonewood debate.
@ryanforresterrenaissancesa4204
@ryanforresterrenaissancesa4204 6 жыл бұрын
Brass tacks.
@pete5668
@pete5668 4 жыл бұрын
A tax on brass would be unsustainable. :D
@GrevDrake
@GrevDrake 6 жыл бұрын
For a fair comparison repeat that test with - the same pickups in each guitar - the same strings on each guitar - the same nut material (TUSQ?) - the same saddle material (brass?) I don't think wood thickness will have a big influence, it's the wood quality & density. Then again, the wood type and density also have an influence on the tone.
@tdtom1376
@tdtom1376 6 жыл бұрын
does a set neck sustain longer than a bolt on too?
@DevunGames
@DevunGames 6 жыл бұрын
td tom not if you have 6 bolts
@tdtom1376
@tdtom1376 6 жыл бұрын
next test... passive versus active pick-ups?
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+td tom I'll add it to my list ☺
@onixtheone
@onixtheone 6 жыл бұрын
Bolt on sustains longer also depends on the bridge
@ATthemusician
@ATthemusician 6 жыл бұрын
The way the neck is put on a guitar seems to have nothing to do with sustain. I've heard completely dead thru necks and I've heard long living bolt ons. Probably more to do with the quality of the neck joint fit, if not wood density.
@SeanHolifield37
@SeanHolifield37 6 жыл бұрын
That top on the ultimate Epi! I'm on the hunt for my own!
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+Sean Holifield Good luck! I hope you can snag one 👍
@chevrlet1
@chevrlet1 6 жыл бұрын
Got a '77 Aluminum Neck Kramer..... I think that would out sustain the Les Paul. Also some years back I believe they made a metal plate to attach to the head stock, I think it was called "Flathead", not sure. Any review on the "Kramer" or the "Flathead"?
@philippe_durel
@philippe_durel 6 жыл бұрын
I did the same little experience. But, I realized that an electric guitar isn't supposed to be played directly plugged into a laptop computer, so I did it again with my amp turned up fairly loud (about the same as when I rehearse with the band) and with a tad little bit of crunch. And the results changed quite significantly. Directly on the laptop the overall winner was my ESP LTD Viper 1000 Deluxe (Seymour Duncan + tunomatic bridge), then my ESP LTD EC-1000FM (Seymour Duncan + tunomatic bridge), then my PRS SE ONE P-90 (BIG SURPRISE !!! wrap-around bridge), then my Gibson Les Paul Less Plus P-90 (tunomatic bridge), then my Paul Reed Smith S2 Standard 24 (tremolo), then my Ibanez S5470 Prestige J-Team Titanium (ZR2 tremolo). I didn't expect both the LTDs to have more sustain than my Les Paul. Anyway, when plugged into an amp, and recording via a microphone, the game totally changed. The PRS SE ONE was the winner, then the LTD Viper 1000, then the LTD EC-1000FM, then the Ibanez S5470, then the Les Paul Less Plus, then the Paul Reed Smith S2 Std 24. I still don't get it !?!!???!?? The LTD Viper 1000 is the heaviest one, the Ibanez S5470 is the lightest one and with a tremolo, but had better sustain than the Les Paul ... and finally the cheap PRS SE ONE with one single P-90 (that i normally only use in open tuning for slide) gave surprisingly good results (but is noisy as f*** due to it's cheap P-90). ANYWAY ! All that doesn't matter one tiny bit. What matters is which one do I prefer playing, which one sounds the best, which one stays the best in tune, which one has the best neck, etc ... and for me the LTD EC-1000FM surpasses all the others ... I just love that guitar to bits, and after adding a coil-plit (outer coils) on the volume pot and a phase inversion on the tone pot, I can have all the tones that could wish to have. Have fun Darrel ! Play loud !
@misstress1928
@misstress1928 6 жыл бұрын
Very well made video comparison! Thank you! Ibanez s is close to les paul in sustain, being better than Gibson, but weighs quite a bit less. I'd say, Ibanez S is your new Gibson LP! =)
@rafaelgemayel1
@rafaelgemayel1 6 жыл бұрын
Hi! How do you record the sound in the videos ? (Guitar- interface - computer) or (microphone on the amp - interface - computer )?
@RamiRouhana
@RamiRouhana Жыл бұрын
As a mechanical engineer, I can tell you that a guitar sustains better when you touch it less. Your body and fingers absorb the vibration. The thicker body has higher inertia and will tend to vibrate at lower amplitudes and thus allow your body to absorb less. On the other side a thin guitar will vibrate with the strings at higher amplitude and thus allow your body to absorb the energy faster.
@djencode
@djencode 5 жыл бұрын
With enough gain anything will sustain for weeks ;)
@travisheystek9831
@travisheystek9831 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Darrel, have you played any Reverend Guitars? I'd be curious to hear your take on the Kingbolt, Buckshot, Charger, or Double Agent. In my experience they've stacked incredibly well with other guitars, but with your range of instruments it would be awesome to hear your thoughts!
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+Travis Heystek They are hard to come by around here, but I'll keep my eyes open ☺
@travisheystek9831
@travisheystek9831 6 жыл бұрын
That's too bad, I'd volunteer to ship you mine as a loaner, but it's currently the only guitar in the stable...
@HansBaumeister
@HansBaumeister 6 жыл бұрын
just curious: I presume that your strings were not identical across all models? I would think that since Gibson scale length tends to put less tension on strings than Fender scale length, that would have a massive effect on the sustain?
@SLAMSTERDAMN
@SLAMSTERDAMN 6 жыл бұрын
Do thick guitars hurt the hell out of my messed up back? Great Crom, AYE! I wonder how things change on a wide open 100w 1/2 stack?
@mayousimon1
@mayousimon1 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Darren informatie interested video you have especially the fender make over. OK I have a question please can you do video for a kalher installed on Gibson please as there are not many videos on how to install the kalher tremolo on a Gibson les Paul or any other version that they have. Many reasons as I find floyd rose to be discussed with as many of substances is removed from the guitar and loss of their flavours but kalher tremolo are more niche than floyd. Thanks for the quick response and video on here.
@hanten10
@hanten10 6 жыл бұрын
i like this video but i want to ask your opinion with the single coil pickups @ fender? i saw Jeff Beck have more sustain with his Fender 🤔
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+GuitarUniverse10 Hi! With distortion, compression, and delay / reverb sustain can be greatly enhanced ☺
@matesssmiss9419
@matesssmiss9419 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, Did your Ibanez RG have also ZPS in it, please? This is supposed to make it more tuning stable, but also to sustain longer.
@kevinbrooks6265
@kevinbrooks6265 5 жыл бұрын
nothing nerdy about it dude ! rock on .
@DebuMazumder
@DebuMazumder 6 жыл бұрын
thanks for the comparison
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+Debu Mazumder Anytime ☺
@bruce1779
@bruce1779 6 жыл бұрын
Pretty cool science. Do you have a spectrum analyzer to look at the spectral output and density of the harmonics produced by each instrument? Please say yes as I've always wanted to see this experiment. Be careful to characterize all of your connectors. Thank you so much.
@DavidTaubner
@DavidTaubner 6 жыл бұрын
An interesting inquiry, all right. Unfortunately, unless you have a mechanical mechanism for hitting each and every string with *exactly* the same force, small variations in your hand movement will account for quite a lot of the variations we're seeing with the instruments that are showing close results to each other. I'm pretty concerned with sustain, and I've noticed that there are four general areas where electric guitars sustain differently from each other. They are (i) the open strings (ii) the middle of the fretboard, (iii) the lower high register (12th to 15th frets), and (iv) the upper high register (16th to the 22nd or 24th frets). My experience is that guitars usually sustain in one, occasionally two, but rarely in three, let alone four of those areas. Different strings don't sustain equally up and down the frets, meaning sustain may increase or decrease as you move up the frets to a new area on a given string. I've checked to make sure there's no fret binding. I made an effort to make the pickup heights correct, too. In short, open string sustain seems to mean a lot less than I would have thought as you progress up past the 12th fret. Since I play open strings the least frequently, I'd rather have more sustain in the first 12 frets, but even more preferably in the upper registers.
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+David Taubner Good observations! Most guitars do have "dead zones" where sustain is reduced. Some are really noticeable and others are more subtle. You can tell my pick attack is nearly identical (from decades of playing) by looking at the wave forms. Honestly, until a robot can go down a set of stairs without spilling a cup of water, I'll stick with my own picking 😄
@DavidTaubner
@DavidTaubner 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, sometimes I do get too 'picky'. ;-)
@DarrellBraunGuitar
@DarrellBraunGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
+David Taubner 😄 Nice!!!
@fredn2735
@fredn2735 6 жыл бұрын
The cherry sunburst Les Paul sounded awesome very sweet and great tone
@beornthebear.8220
@beornthebear.8220 3 жыл бұрын
I have a bolt-on neck Kramer with a SD humbucker in there bride position, a through-neck Ibanez C-1, and a glued-in neck Epiphany Les Paul. What mayors the most is what I pump them through. With bass I find it a bit different; my through-neck basses set up standing waves that feed off the strings, neck, and air vibration, and these I need to control the sustain on. This really only makes a difference if my bass amp is moving enough air the vibrate the guitar. I think the biggest thing is how hard it's driven.
@johnsimms3957
@johnsimms3957 6 жыл бұрын
Nice test. I think scale length may play a role too. With shorter scales sustaining longer. Also I don't think it's the thickness but the weight that makes for more sustain.
@vaughanmacegan4012
@vaughanmacegan4012 5 жыл бұрын
Well pluck me ... the winner, and still champion in the 'unsustaniac' stakes is the Ultimate Epi. Man that thing sound great. What pups did you put in that thing? edit used the subtitling tool to read what you said "p rails" cool!
@smaariseth
@smaariseth 5 жыл бұрын
Hey I'm looking to start playing guitar, is the Ibanez S521 a good starter guitar?
@nazmoking3171
@nazmoking3171 6 жыл бұрын
I have a PRS S2 that is my longest sustaining guitar. Vs quite a few others including a Les Paul etc. This PRS is also my lightest and thinnest guitar BUT it also has a super thin nitrocellulose finish that supposedly makes it more resonant. Could that be the reason (i.e. The finish let's the wood breathe)? It also has a tremolo fyi.
@tussk.
@tussk. 6 жыл бұрын
if it lets the wood 'breathe' then its not finished properly and will let moisture in, eventually ruining the guitar. a thinner finish may let the wood vibrate longer, but it doesnt let it 'breathe'. remember, if it breathes out, it has to breathe in too.
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