Do We Choose Our Thoughts?

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"We [eventually] have to come to the conclusion whether we are in the materialist perspective or whether we are in the non-dualist perspective, in both cases we have to come to the conclusion that thoughts are cosmic events. They are generated by a Reality which is bigger than the separate individual we believe to be, and that they are cosmic events like the rain or the snow or a hurricane. And therefore the limited entity that claims authorship of the thought and claims to be the one who has made the decision is an imposter because it claims the authorship of something it has not created. It comes after the fact. It wasn't present when the decision was being made. The decision just came."
Related dialogues: The First Identification that takes place prior to a Thought • Video & Investigate The Truth of a Thought • Video
(From Temecula dialogue with Francis Lucille 2014 04 27)
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@markrudis4419 5 жыл бұрын

What comes and goes cannot be real, Sri Ramana Maharshi. Francis Lucille is teaching the science of truth.

@Bassywassy20 3 жыл бұрын

Its interesting that people never ask themselves where impulses from the heart come from. For instance a spontaneous impulse to buy an icecream can occur, and people never ask themselves where that impulse comes from. Then through some twisted idea they come to the conclusion 'I' made that decision even though the small 'I' never gave any input. How is it even possible; how did people come to the conclusion there is a 'little me'? What is also interesting is that this system of receiving urges to explore something and then seeking those things out works perfectly. Then comes along the idea of a small self that has to give input in accordance to beliefs it has, and now you have this constant distortion between impulses and action. An impulse comes, beliefs start distorting a previously clear input, and now there is resistance and confusion.

@user-2x5s-r5x6 2 ай бұрын

Many impulses come from conditioning. Eating ice cream is a pleasant activity stored in mental memory. A pleasant activity is one which promotes survival (ice cream has carbohydrates) stored in genetic memory.

@MrDannyRuss 6 жыл бұрын

The dude definitely sees things as they truly are. Fun to watch.

@kellyalamanou5185 10 жыл бұрын

The thought itself is a Cosmic event!True!

@torimusblake6377 5 жыл бұрын

Lucky to find this answer. Impressed by some of your SAND talks and question of free will was the missing piece to the puzzle. Thank you so much, Francis …

@tamikamcfarlane5492 3 жыл бұрын

First time listening .. but I can hear wisdom from his lips. Thank you for sharing.

@MrChesterification Жыл бұрын

By far the best description of reality about the nature of thoughts and how decisions are made from the Totality

@GetMeThere1 5 жыл бұрын

This video has been a tremendous revelation for me! Thanks so much for posting it.

@danielm978 3 күн бұрын

"You dont have thoughts, thoughts have you" Carl Gustav Jung.

@brahmasatyamjaganmithya6708 8 жыл бұрын

Francis makes me feel good.

@kirstinstrand6292 3 жыл бұрын

I respect Francis; he has much to offer, and is Authentic. I would like to introduce more recent thinking. Do we live in a "Simutated Reality?" Consciousness is being explored via Physics and Mathematics. Myself, I'm old school. Full Consciousness comes from self reflection, observation of feelings and emotions, pain and suffering, then Forgiveness.

@honestinsky 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent video, thanks for posting, much appreciated. Love your channel Francis : )

@goldenbrettfx90 11 ай бұрын

One of the best takes on complex philosophy that I've seen and understood ahead of time and resonated with. I've watched this 6 times alone, today. Surprised you don't have 100x the followers.

@joebazooks 9 жыл бұрын

the thing is nothing exists in isolation. everything is interconnected and therefore fundamentally one.

@owl6218 2 жыл бұрын

Rupert also answered this question. But because Francis allows for the point of view of science properly, then goes beyond it, it makes it more convincing.....I always like how francis engages with science earnestly , before going beyond it, due to his background

@lawreence-5234 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so very much... 🙏💎

@ItachiUchiha-xk1fr 2 жыл бұрын

Incredible 👁🧠

@rafael11stoneman 5 жыл бұрын

Very clear, thanks!

@AdeSteHar 3 жыл бұрын

OK understood a lot more when he explained the universe cooperates in our decisions i.e. the weather.

@iamBANGMARTIN Жыл бұрын

thanks for the pointers!

@AlexCrowe-the-pianist Жыл бұрын

A bigger question is: Where do thoughts come from?

@ud2hb4 10 ай бұрын

From the egoic mind based on upbringing, conditioning and projections. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7Z3rK5hvODco5c.html

@atmannityananda-autognosia 5 жыл бұрын

We have FREE WILL because we are not only a body mind entity but also Consciousness which is. freedom. itself. But our capacity to excersise the free will it depends on our state of consciousness. A Crist, an advanced Yogi and a deluded one have not the same capacity to excersise their free will. If we are completely inditified with the mind and ego we cannot excersize our free will.

@luisalbelda67 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@hemamalini-sy8mj Ай бұрын

wonderful ❤

@natachaOPN 5 жыл бұрын

Merci

@Kagemusha247 6 жыл бұрын

alright let me send this random video from internet to my brother and initiate a chain of thoughts to just prove a point . 😂.

@danieleslava115 2 жыл бұрын

Gracias

@abhig3847 Жыл бұрын

We are either responsible for nothing (because we are everything) or we are responsible for everything

@atmannityananda-autognosia 5 жыл бұрын

We can choose the thoughts that the subconscious produces by choosing the impressions that we permit enter into the inner mind and By choosing the thoughts that we entertain. By doing so, we make the subconscious to elaborate thoughts about things we want, so it reproduces thoughts about what we want. We can consciously decide what thoughts will empower in our mind and become part of the inner mind. So our mind will .reproduce the thoughts we want in relation with the various events of the daily life. For example by training our mind instead of the compulsive critising of others , our mind we will think that others are beings of love and light encarmated in human bodies.

@mertkusluvan3107 4 жыл бұрын

Not true

@atmannityananda-autognosia 4 жыл бұрын

@@mertkusluvan3107 Not true for you to be precise. If you cannot choose your thoughts you are a victim of your mind.

@mertkusluvan3107 4 жыл бұрын

@@atmannityananda-autognosia Yoı are missing a crucial point. There is no you. There is no we. There is just one thing. There is no one to be a victim of the mind because what you think you are IS created by the mind. I encourage you to question this "consciously chosen action or thought". That's a big illusion if you reeeally slow down and observe your experience. Thought are just arising like anything else in your experience. The thought that claims ownership and decision is also arising out of nowhere. A lot pf teachers are great but Sam Harris is really clear when talking about this experiential side. I recommend him.

@atmannityananda-autognosia 4 жыл бұрын

@@mertkusluvan3107 There is no thought that claims ownership. Ego is not a thought. This is a false concept that many spiritual teachers proclaim. Ego is essentially desire and this desire-ego causes identification with the body and all other identifications as well and creates the illusion that the body is what "I am' and as a 'body-me' I am the agent of perceptions, thinking, feeling, decisions, etc.. which is an illusion. What is Conscious of the thoughts and what chooses thoughts is not a thought. I am Consciousness and as Consciousness I make conscious decisions using the mind and intellect. Of course this is possible for people with developed Consciousness, not for the majority. This is the truth. It would be good for Sam Harris to read what I say.

@mertkusluvan3107 4 жыл бұрын

@@atmannityananda-autognosia There is no more or less Consciousness. And if you wanna use the word "choice", thats okay but you have to admit that everything has free will. What you basically said is like saying "water choses to be wet". A person never choses anything.

@sixtyoneeight 5 жыл бұрын

Non-duality likes Abercrombie & Fitch.

@zatoichiable 6 жыл бұрын

Are we designed as human being to matter most the experience or the understanding of non duality?

@asasdsaid1162 Жыл бұрын

Greate

@jamestarnowicz870 8 жыл бұрын

the dreamer is waking up from the dream

@marianneveruni9722 Жыл бұрын

Bonjour, auriez vous la vidéo en français ? Je ne parle pas anglais merci beaucoup

@erikagamel9940 8 жыл бұрын

elegant

@AshaBNair-hi2hr 2 жыл бұрын

Do as separate entity have the free will to choose from the cosmic thoughts??

@AshaBNair-hi2hr 2 жыл бұрын

So if all the thoughts are cosmic thoughts, and we as individuals are not the decision maker then the decisions that bring sorrow or happiness is the cosmic truth???

@noraoconnor1895 Жыл бұрын

It begs the question" is it the same for thoughts of evil,murder, war, abuse,??

@momentmal5248 Ай бұрын

Was just thinking the same thing. I have heard non-dual teachers argue that a murderer is not responsible for the murder since they don’t have free will. He was speaking about choosing to drink a beer is not his choice. What happens if a person is an alcoholic? Perhaps they think about drinking every minute of every day but choose not to drink. Is that not a choice?

@TheNoCoincidence 9 жыл бұрын

in other words..you can not choose your thoughts..but you can understand that your thoughts move in accordance to your beliefs....so be aware of your belief systems...(of course you can say that you dont choose your beliefs..but you will see that reflected than..so ..whats the point of believing that..Shows that one did not understand the power of trust)

@MrJagajg 7 жыл бұрын

TheNoCoincidence I

@gives_bad_advice Жыл бұрын

A person can take drugs to alter thinking. This is evidence of matter causing thoughts.

@samuelculper4231 2 жыл бұрын

Is the questioner Abraham Hicks (aka Esther)?

@ikwartin 3 жыл бұрын

Who are the " we" In the question, " do we choose our thoughts?"

@freddystaelens 4 жыл бұрын

I never had thoughts in Chinese about astrofysica,so cosmic events must be quite selective in language and ability to grasp.

@northstar1318 3 жыл бұрын

It's not that cosmic events are selective. It is just that your mind is not able to receive certain messages. Learn Chinese and study astrophysics and see what happens.

@ClaudioSoprano 5 жыл бұрын

You say thoughts are cosmic events, but what evidence do you have to support this claim?

@narayanan19831 4 жыл бұрын

Claudio Soprano what will be your thought in the next 29.5th second?

@ClaudioSoprano 4 жыл бұрын

@@narayanan19831 The void.

@mertkusluvan3107 4 жыл бұрын

The universe is a large and possibly infinitely complex system. If you agree with that thats all he is saying. Thoughts or dog shitting on the road are not isolated events. They are what the whole universe is doing

@ClaudioSoprano 5 жыл бұрын

You can control what thoughts arise in your head. I do this every day. I can think of something and I see multiple images of what I thought. But I can also put my mind on receptive mode and get thoughts of things that I didn't create (this can get you to telepathy and channeling). Thoughts can be created and be received. BOTH!!!

@kopilit 4 жыл бұрын

You cannot control what thoughts arise -because the 'you' that thinks it is controlling them is also a just a thought arising. There may be periods of intense concentration on thought or images but no one is choosing or concentrating. Thoughts happen then we think we choose them later. The mind is playing catch up on events and think's it orchestrating events. That's the basic idea here.

@subbannar7319 4 жыл бұрын

@@kopilit You are right

@daneiladams 9 жыл бұрын

How can anyone know this really?

@carlhammill5774 5 жыл бұрын

nobody can. And anyone who claims to know these answers...run. I watch for entertainment purposes.

@Shobahari 4 жыл бұрын

Many have known before and even more are in the process of knowing. You can too by delving into the core of your sublime being.

@rahultrehan 7 жыл бұрын

What about conscious thought? Thoughts you consciously choose to have .... the whole "cosmic phenomenon" hypothesis doesnt quite fit there. I can see it being a viable possibility for thoughts that just "appear" or "pop" into our heads however it does not seem to fit for conscious thought. Any insights Mr. Lucille?

@mertkusluvan3107 4 жыл бұрын

There is no choice. In the phenomenon you refer to, what really happens is there are thoughts firing like a machine gun and some claim that other thought is not true for whatever reason and that there is a subject inside that makes this decision. These are all thoughts. If you pay attention there is only consciousness and its activities

@dalegriffiths3628 3 жыл бұрын

Yes there is not thinker, example, A) Rumbling in stomach (sensation perceived) B) internal monologue, “I must be hungry” (a thought) C) “Im going to eat a banana” (another thought) D) “Spirituality is bull of course there’s a thinker”. (yet another thought) Whether there is what feels like a pop up thought or a conscious thought they are all thoughts which are just perceived - that’s why Francis said that the fake thinker was not there when the thought occurred because the fake thinker’s thought is just another thought that seems to take ownership of the previous thought. Even this feeling of seeming to take ownership is another thought. For some reason we (as consciousness) for some reason tend to buy into this idea of this chain of apparently connected thoughts being as the result of a separate thinker.

@rahultrehan 3 жыл бұрын

@@dalegriffiths3628 Thanks Dale! Appreciate the explanation and it makes sense! I was getting caught up in when we have to think about something specific such as if someone asks me "What is your favorite sport?". The answer will always be "Tennis". In this example it feels like I specifically picked "Tennis" and that it isn't random. But I see where I was getting tripped up. Thank you!

@dalegriffiths3628 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Rahul, yes it seems like that there is a difference between random spontaneous thoughts and an individual entity that can choose to follow particular thoughts or not. It was a video I watched a few years ago (can’t remember which) in it to a lady’s question Francis said ‘but that is just thought B’. This was a bolt out of the blue for me and since then I’ve loved this idea of there being no chooser and all there is is just awareness of all this. I think going from the stand point of awareness is the fundamental unchanging and everything else is just the changing coming and going of thoughts then it’s cool. Of course there is no entity that chooses to live their lives this way. It feels very liberating, yet again there is no individual ‘I’ that feels liberating - there is just an awareness of feeling liberated.

@StefanKojouharov 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Francis, is consciousness itself (the subjective experience) ultimately Maya? Is turiya the ultimate truth?

@abhinav_yadav2356 Жыл бұрын

Turiya is actually , who you are ..

@aflaz171 4 жыл бұрын

Too much waffle!

@jamiejones1989 9 жыл бұрын

How can you choose what to believe if you have no control over what thoughts arise in your head

@sjohn4134 7 жыл бұрын

Jamie Jones get rid of the idea there is a "you" choosing and you solve the problem.

@ClaudioSoprano 5 жыл бұрын

You can control what thoughts arise in your head.

@narayanan19831 4 жыл бұрын

Claudio Soprano Don’t think of pink elephant for a second. Let me know if you succeed in that. What will you think tomorrow 9 AM exactly? You don’t have to answer me. Answer it for yourself. Anyways your thought of you are able to control your thoughts is not even under your control and realisation should arise. Till then we have to play like this 😎

@atmannityananda-autognosia 5 жыл бұрын

Thoughts are a cosmic event, but it is an individual event to choose the thoughts we want to empower in our mind.

@rahulkulkarni536 5 жыл бұрын

That's wrong.

@rahulkulkarni536 5 жыл бұрын

Even individual events are cosmic events

@michaelmcclure3383 4 жыл бұрын

A decision is a thought too isn't it

@atmannityananda-autognosia 4 жыл бұрын

@@rahulkulkarni536 they are individual and at the same time cosmic as well, since the individual is an expression of cosmos. There is no contradiction.

@atmannityananda-autognosia 4 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmcclure3383 The decision to choose positive creative thinking instead of a negative one, it is an action of the sattvic Buddhi and Ahamkara, it is an action of will or volition based on knowledge, experience, understanding, discernment and consciouness.. Thinking, feeling, deciding, willing, discerning, reasoning, imagining, reflecting, understanding, observing are all faculties of Antahkarana ( the fourfold mental factory./ Manas, Buddhi, Chitta, Ahamkara)

@misschris662 10 жыл бұрын

Who is this cute curly haired man sitting next to the woman asking the question ??? :)

@dalegriffiths3628 3 жыл бұрын

My dad

@joshc7865 3 жыл бұрын

This lady has invested a lot into a false self

@ClaudioSoprano 5 жыл бұрын

Do you know the fallacy of Cherry Picking? You chose an example of getting a beer from the refrigerator. But, in my refrigerator I can choose about 10 different things to drink. I use my free will to choose what to drink at any time after I decided I want to drink something. Like a computer, you get external data and also a computer can generate its own data. It can be a combination of spontaneous thoughts and free will thoughts. It is not one or the other one. Free will stays.

@sugarfree1894 5 жыл бұрын

Claudio Soprano, I agree, and I find the desire to abnegate and deny free will rather distasteful. It indicates a wish to duck responsibility for one's actions.

@mertkusluvan3107 4 жыл бұрын

Not true lol. Peole reeeally hate this idea its so funny

@dalegriffiths3628 3 жыл бұрын

I you pick up a Sol beer rather than a Peroni, then after the event there may well be a, “yes I fancy a Sol” but this is just another thought. It can seem that certain thoughts are spontaneous and other thoughts are consciously chosen but there is a possibility that all are spontaneous. It feels very much that on reading your piece there was an ‘I’ that decided to reply. Can it be said for certain that this ‘I’ is an actual entity. There is awareness of all these events and that’s it.

@dalegriffiths3628 3 жыл бұрын

@@sugarfree1894 You are the awareness of all these thoughts and that’s it. Even the part “I find the desire to abnegate and deny free will ... “ this is just another thought that comes and goes. You are the witness/awareness of all of this you are not a thinker entity that is in control of having these thoughts or not, or choosing this particular thought or not. That’s what I think Francis is getting at.. is there an ‘I’ that just said that? Nope! Does it feel like there is an ‘I’ that is in control of typing this out? Yes but this is just another thought that comes and goes. Why does consciousness play this game of this stream of thoughts that seem to link up? Even that is just another thought that there was no ‘chooser’ of. There is awareness of all of this there is the experiencing of all of this, that’s all. Does this realisation seem to manifest in different things arising prior to having this realisation, yes I would say there is in my experience (yet again there is no individual me having this experience).

@rajendrarajasingam6310 9 жыл бұрын

In principle i agree.But the fact is more than 97% of the people identify themselves with body, mind and senses. For them desire induced by senses produce thoughts.So we must control and direct our thoughts through our free will which exist in all of us.which is pure and free of any guilt.We can control our thoughts by focusing our mind through logic and reason.This is a conscious action induced by consciousness(Not self consciousness).If we dance to the tune of our desires thoughts will control us and we must bear the consequences of our act.There are things on which we can't have any control. This is fate.

@jamestarnowicz870 8 жыл бұрын

stop using your mind to solve your mind problem. Peace.

@MrDannyRuss 6 жыл бұрын

I was going to reply something like "You can't think your way out of thinking" . But your reply is equally good so I'll just second it.

@ikewon3850 4 жыл бұрын

We make decisions through logic. We might not always be the creator of the thought, but we are always the chooser.

@Gaurav.P0 2 жыл бұрын

It is very hard to understand his accent. Please, give English subtitles.

@melodyc807 2 жыл бұрын

If you press the 'CC' button in the bottom right-hand corner, there are auto-generated subtitles in english. Overall, pretty decent. A few of the newer videos have hard coded subtitles e.g., kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bJh-q9GiuZebooE.html and kzfaq.info/get/bejne/etion8-HycfUoWQ.html