£85k would get me 85 cars, thats my issue really, ha ha.

Isle of Skye Video was good. As for the route, I wonder if the route planner when planning a route from Leeds to Isle of Skye was taking EV charging points into consideration ?. All route planners I have go via Glencoe and Fort William.

So if I buy these knocked down priced EV will I be picking up a bargain or will the price continue to depreciate at the same rate- any stats on this

@@stuartwood5448 problem with ev cars is that its just a trend and nothing else while people are having their bank accounts raped

​@@mandismith89It is a fad being forced on us by the government, remember when the government told us that diesel was the future! All ICE cars are to be gone by 2035 and I think private ownership is to be phased out by then. What a shxt show! This is the end of the UK we will be reduced to a third world country

@@carlcollins6659 When you get a company car you are BANDED, only the top people would get a car worth 40k upward

they cant afford it they'll have to sacrifice other things like holidays and days out with the children cause they were crazy daft with their credit, window shopping online when your drunk, leads to these kinds of problems, its not like buying clothes that you can easily send back LOL

On affordability how much does a tyre cost on EV;s

@@TeaBreak. doing a 'ton of miles' is exactly what an electric WON'T do!

@@John_Wood_ exactly... I had a 1996 that I put over 290,000 miles on. I had it for 22 years. did all my own maintenance and repairs. No EV on the planet right now can claim that kind of longevity for the price I originally paid for it new off the lot at $23K

A scam including, banks, insurance companies, car manufacturers and governments. In a real world without subsidies these would never have taken ff. When governments work with corporations isn't that Fascism?

10 years? It ain't going to take that long.

Silly. It will be mandated by law. I bought my model x in cash and will drive it until it is dead. Best selling car in the world in May 2023? Model Y. You guys have your heads in the sand and only site worst case scenarios based upon old or current tech. It will only get better. Moore’s Law, Luddites.

@@KentBuchla Odd it has taken over 140 years for EV's just to catch up.

​@@KentBuchlaAnd your car looks like a childs toy.

You mean like brex$hit?

I'll admit I got it wrong

I got 5 Covid injections and they had zero impact. Everyone I know did the same and they are just fine. After billions of injections if there were any actual significant real-world side effects we would know.

@@jonb5493 You'd never admit it was right to be free of a controlling cabal.

Oughhh that will sting a few - Deniers 😂

Dont look at miles left, look at %. Why do people do this? They never did this in gas cars, because those numbers where also NEVER ACCURATE. But ooh no, NOW its a fucking problem and cause for anxiety?

That’s because you’re fecked, if you run out of miles and your battery goes flat, unlike the diesel or petrol when you can refill at any station. Just for your interest, I always check mileage left on my diesel as a rough guidance.

Anxiety is something you have when getting an EV but after less than a year I’m not worried at all. You end up knowing the car perfectly fine

As an ICE owner the only time I suffered milage anxiety was during a petrol shortage while on holiday in Yorkshire. Instead of deluding themselves, perhaps some EV owners should be more honest and say they hate worrying about milage when unable to home charge their cars.

@@davidwatkins5317 It's a nuisance for sure. But for me it's not a big issue and EVs are a way to spare the environment.

Citroen Ami, Renault Twizzy, Sur-Ron Light Bee.

@@richy69ifyThere not cars there matchboxes

@@nautique1970 60K EVs are living room on wheels. I bet not many here fill the 5 seats in the SUVs more than once every few months.

​@@richy69ify none of those are actually cars.

You can reject any cars or motorcycle in the UK under consumer law if it does not match advertised claims or is not of merchandisable quality - that includes car that have continuous warranty problems. Dealers will just give you your money back rather than argue the toss.

​@@ggee7391only if what is stated in the ad hasnt got an astrix next to it with small print underneath or the word approx....

That would be a joke in Australia. That’s less than one day’s ordinary driving..kids to school, work, shops..bare minimum.

I don't believe her, because I know a dozen people who want to return their VW EV and are just ignored.

​@@virginiaviola5097Where is bare minimum

It's one reason supermarkets are putting food prices up so much. They have to cover all the cost of infrastructure and maintenance on their useless chargers that are all out of order in winter due to condensation. They try to entice you with free (at first) and then cheaper electric, but you can never get on one that works and even if you can, they make back the money when you go in the store.

​@@ArcanePath360are you all this conspiracy theory crazy here?

@@Lewis_Standing Yes.

We are Already paing the price, as regular ICE car prices are raised to cover the costs of building EV's. PS: Just give it a few years & watch electricity prices double (at least)

UKIP

one commentator here reckons car prices will rise 10% each year, so that will price me out of a new car

@@richy69ify the prices do not matter as the game of 2030 is to have you out of your car, it is to have you out of your arse and anything else basically

IMO the first political party that dumps this ridiculous net zero tripe wins the next election. Starmer wouldn't even back the London ULEZ expansion today. They've done the research and they've realised people are starting to understand what this net zero religion is going to cost them and how much it's going to curtail their freedoms and they don't like it.

All political parties are bought if you dont realize this after CON19 and J@Bs don't know what to tell you

Same here 👍🏻

I bought a 19 year old Mercedes E320d one year ago for £1950. Spent a grand bringing it up to spec. Just passed mot with no issues. Great mile muncher and super comfortable. 5:33

Yup me too picked up a 08 bmw 540i v8 with only 21000kms for NZD 16k (£8000) in Mar 2022 at peak EV craze. Its amazing! So reliable. Only issue so far after 25k kms is rubber boots replaced on suspension . Does average 700km per full tank . ( 80% rural driving) . It’s so luxurious AC superb in our 80% 28 deg c humidity here and looks awesome compared to most modern cars IMO . I honestly like it more the longer I own it. Great feeling too knowing your saving $10s of thousands p.a compared to all the EVs here in my city Auckland. There everywhere now .

Well spotted.😂

They are between a rock and hard place. If people stop paying their leases and they impound the car no one is going to buy it. They will lose the money that has not been paid

My heart bleeds for them, poor souls. What ate they going to do when there is nothing other than EVs to finance?

@chromiumphotography5138 yes but it's the next person who goes to finance their dream car that will have sky high interest rates... these finance companies always win. The buyer always loses in the long run

@@GFY127 If the depreciation worsens finance companies will go under

I love this comment

Now that's a proper MG not like the crap coming out of China now with MG stuck on the front.

My run around is a 2005 Fiat Van. Had it 9 years, never once let me down, it's in great condition, paid £2500 for it so it owes me less than £300 a year. And as ULEZ approaches, i need to sell it and been offered £1000, so it owes me just over £100 each year I've owned it. Now that's cheap motoring!

I'm driving the sister (Rover) car.

​@@joebloggs4191I can vouch from what I have heard from my brother who currently works at a volvo, polestar and MG dealership that the new MG's are built terribly. Saying that the Polestar's aren't that great either reliability wise.

Get his numberplate and mileage, I bet it's £35k now....

That's an expensive mistake

A few years ago if someone said a Skoda would cost £57K you'd buy them a bus ticket to the loony bin.

If you show him this video he slash his wrists 😊

Those Skoda's EVs are crazy money, they do a base spec and then have way too many option packs, which confuses the dealers and second hand market. People are spending 10k+ on options which they loose in value straight away as the second hand markets doesn't value them.

how did you find them? I quite like them in orange with steel wheels.

I had a petrol XC40 which was £41k new. I had it for 2 years before I chopped it in. It was on the forecourt for less than a week before it sold. (Didn’t need valeting because I’m an avid detailer) It was up for £40,000.

@@John_Wood_ brilliant cars. Very undrrated by journalists (The genuine motor journalists rate them). I am currently on my fourth Dacia. Had two Dusters and two Sandero Stepways. They dont handle like a mini or a fiesta but you wont be paying those prices either. Had a Duster 1.5Dci - 50Mpg day in day out Sandero 0.9l - great town car but a little strained on the motorway Duster 1.3l 150 Bhp - Sh1t of a shovel but fuel economy wasnt great at 36Mpg Current Sandero stepway - very good motorway cruiser (especially in auto gearbox. nice low revs), if a little slow off the mark.

@@BillyNoMates1974 Does that make James May a genuine motor journalist?

I wouldn't touch them with a barg pole like committing financial suicide.

Correct. The inconvenience is the exact point. Theres no replacement for the car, and that's on purpose.

Correct and that will include cruises and flying.

@@scudosmyth784 The electric planes in development now are to put everyone off flying.

Yes, yet apparently these politicians work for us... We need to make some seriously big changes to who we elect.

​@@djparr4727no, we work for them. Didn't you get the memo?

True - poor people like you cant afford them

Autocar - The top 10 best-selling cars in Europe 2023 - at no 2. Tesla Model Y, 21,530 sales, +1838% year on year

I have one and I would never go back to ICE. So you are talking out of your backside. "no one wants them." You had better tell 35000 people who bought them in June.

Sorry, I said 35000 buyers but I was wrong, it was actually over 31000. Do apologise for that.

@@charlessmith2469thats because they are lease or fleet cars not private buyers thanks to the BiK, the lease price will go through the roof as depreciation is so bad.

Sadly your battery won’t last 10 years without significant loss of efficiency and eventually failing completely. Don’t hang on to it for too long as older EVs with failing batteries will be worthless just landfill

@@chrissmith4022 Nonesense scaremongering. Plenty of 10 year old Teslas out there already with batteries still at 85-90%.

@@chrissmith4022nonsense. The vast bulk of Nissan Leafs are still on the road & the early ones are 12 years old now.

@@chrissmith4022that’s utter rubbish. ICE cars also lose performance across 10 years too. Do some research and stop pedalling myths created by the oil industry funded media.

Looking on the bright side ....you won't need to buy a coffin of pay for cremation, it comes free with your EV 😜

You are so right, bro.

I think the disconnect is that people expect to use an EV just like they have always used ICE cars. If you're the kind of person who drives to 30-60 miles a day to work or wherever and you get home and just plug in your EV every night, then an EV works just fine. But if you want to drive from full to empty then go to a charging station to recharge like you're going to a gas station, or you drive over 60 miles per day or you like to go on long road trips, then you're probably going to be disappointed with an EV. EVs work great for people who have a lifestyle that is compatible with them. For other people ICE vehicles are a better choice.

@@rreagan007 Yes, almost certainly that's the issue for many people but it's more than that. What people cannot accept is that we're in the 21st century and don't expect to go backwards in any way, like having to plan your long trip for charging purposes, or spend a lot of time charging your car and at double the price that you normally pay for your fuel on the odd occasion that you do go away from home. Days like bank holidays must be an absolute nightmare. I saw half a dozen Teslas queueing in a not particularly busy motorway service area last bank holiday Sunday, and that was only 10 a.m. Now Tesla have opened up their charging points to other brands - and make no mistake they have done it for profit, not for the befit of mankind - it's likely to get worse rather than better, as Tesla chargers will now be much busier and the powers that be are likely to feel less pressure to improve the network quickly, which I don't think they should be doing at taxpayers expense anyway. But I think the main opposition rises rom the fact that they're being forced upon us whether we want them or not. That is not how a democracy is supposed to work and many people, myself included, see it being more about control as our states become less of a nanny state and closer to a police state. The EV brigade don't help with their attitude which seems to be something like "These are the future so you'd better get used to the idea whether you like them or not", and that is not how it should be. If they were that good there should be no need to push them, they should sell themselves.

@@mikebreen2890 There are so many issues with your statement that I don't know where to begin, but here goes. Of the few people that are buying these - and it is a small percentage of the overall new car buying public, despite the incentives and huge price drops - there will always be those who don't want to be outdone by their neighbours, as they see it, but that doesn't mean EVs are any better. The "naysayers", as you call them, are in the vast majority at the moment, the sales figures prove it, in fact the ratio of ICE cars sold to EVs is so big that it's not even a debate. If that's what people prefer that doesn't make them look stupid, in fact it makes you look stupid for even suggesting it. You must remember that this about CHOICE, and if you're trying to take that choice away from people then you're a lot worse than stupid. "There are still issues with public charger reliability, availability and ease of use". Correct. "Unfortunately, EV take up is outpacing charger installation". Correct. Now try putting two and two together and see what you come up with. I'll tell you - your second point makes a complete mockery of the rest of your statement relating to public charging, because it means that the situation is getting WORSE, not better. More cars per charger means more difficulty charging, so no, the issues are not being tackled, they're being ignored. There is no evidence whatsoever that there will eventually be enough chargers for everybody, all we hear from you lot is "it will get better in the future" but that's no good to us now and there's nothing currently happening at a fast enough pace to suggest it will get any better - you admitted it yourself! Let's continue shall we? "Availability is an issue" - Correct. "EV's are becoming so popular... " - Incorrect. VW, Mercedes and others have had to pull back production because people are not buying them in the numbers expected. Even the supposedly popular Tesla even had to cut prices by 20% at the beginning of the year to boost sales, the highest discount EVER given by ANY motor manufacturer in the entire history of motoring. Had they been as popular as you claim then those discounts would have been made by ICE car manufacturers because they couldn't shift them, NOT an EV manufacturer. Depreciation and affordability - Yes, they are becoming more affordable on the used market BECAUSE of depreciation. That's not a good thing for those who bought new or those tied into an expensive leasing contract. Heavy depreciation is a bad thing, not a good one and is one of the main reasons that most people are not buying EVs. Your argument is now beginning to look really silly, we're three-quarters of the way through dissecting your post and you haven't come up with a single good point that would make anybody want to buy yet. Whether you want to call them rich people's toys or not is up to you, I've never heard anybody use that as an argument against them. They are more expensive than ICE cars for an equivalent specification and size without a doubt, and insurance and tyres are generally more expensive. Even the Tesla Model 3 is the top insurance group, in a far higher group than my Jaguar and the tyres, although smaller, are more than double the price for the same brand of tyre. So given that buying a car is expensive, especially in the UK, it's obvious why most people don't want to pay even more for something that's more hassle, because you can argue as long as you like but until you can fill up and go in 5 minutes from just about anywhere in the country they're less convenient, and I and many other people do not want that, simple as. As for servicing, the cheapest price I've heard of is £200 from Tesla and that seems expensive to me on a car that apparently has nothing that needs to be serviced. You'll currently have to use a main dealer, which are top price, whereas you can get car serving done anywhere now very reasonably. New car buyers are generally not that bothered anyway as it's generally covered in the lease price. Finally, you keep telling us about "the benefits of EV's" but apart from cheaper home charging, which is no good to half the country because they can't charge from home, you haven't managed to name a single one in this or any other of your countless posts. Carry on trying to convince yourself, because you're not fooling anybody else.

@@mikebreen2890 Sorry, but you don't get to write as much EV nonsesne as you want then decide how long a reply should be. You either want to debate your case or you don't. I assume therefore that you don't. I don't care either way, I have better things to do anyway.

I am trying. I filmed 3 today, the other two get progressively less serious because I couldn't keep it together when reading the articles!

The only thing that will kill him, is being suffocated by the amount of BS he produces.

Oh god🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

Why would this be a positive thing in your view? Do you like breathing poison?

@@andytunnicliffe7223 No for suffocating amounts of BS that's the "climate change" cranks & zealots

I love a tractor. If you get a David Brown, you practically own an Aston Martin, lol.

🤣🤣 brilliant, thanks for the laugh.

Perfect reply! Love it 😂 Can we all go for a pint & sort this crazy world out?!

Yeah my 1959 ford is still on the road - paid £350 forty five years ago and now worth £25000. No plastic and no electronics, even the radio is mechanical. It's got this amazing device on the door - you just turn it three times and the window opens. Two leather sofas front and back, clock you can see at a glance. Heater that's really hot, windscreen wipers and lights that you can dip with your foot. No neurotic voice nagging at you and no frecking bleeping every five minutes. Oh, and park in next to the latest 120K range Rover and the crowd will around the Ford.

yes motors of today far far too tec no need for it .they just can charge you more for it ,

She is a bit of a milf though.

Sadly Geoff doesn’t always specialise in good judgement 😂

I'm not sure her decision to buy a BEV was good judgement. Poor judgement more like.

I think you missed the point.

Indeed, and in the Mail too!

No need to feel sorry. Because EV owners know that most of the EV “ facts “ are just made up by people who listen to Talk TV, and have never owned one.

For local short trips there is no denying they work. But the way they are being marketed is that they are better than sliced bread and will do exactly the same distances as the petrol and diesel cars will do.

@@bentullett6068 the majority of UK car is is short trips

@@ItsAllJustBollox they are but if you live in a flat or terrace house with on street parking and don't have full access to a charge point your only option is visit a charging point to top up on electricity. Plus if you do require to go longer distances in a EV you will struggle as the cars actual range is less than what is quoted on the Internet or brochure.

@@bentullett6068 for the majority of car use they work well I can speak from experience I do a 50 mile a day commute the majority of car owners do far shorter daily use. If I was doing hundreds of miles a day all over the country every day I would not have an EV I would have a petrol or diesel car in the same way if I was doing hours on the motorway every day I would not have a tiny city car its not the tool for the job. People seem to think a car needs 600 miles of fuel range to work yet do 10 miles a day except the one or two times a year where they go further. Why doesn't everyone drive a big box van instead of a car just in case they need to collect sonething big once a year?

​@@ItsAllJustBolloxmy car does not do shirt trips I walk around the city and use it when I have to drive to another city

it is a scam buy it cheap then double the price to sell on. it is fake, people sell due to they have to take any offer so dropping the value.

There was a dealer on the radio last week and he said he had two EVs on his forecourt £2000 less than he paid for them and they're not selling.

Almost all new EV cars are company cars and/or are lease hired, where every 3 or 4 years they just replace the car with a new one. This situation isn’t going to play out until about 3 or 4 years time when the current lease hire deals expire and the market is flooded with 2nd hand EV cars that they can’t sell.

i wonder how many dealers will be keen on taking in used EV's when lease companies start offloading them once the lease is up? Then we get to lease companies looking at how the market is going and bumping up monthly lease costs to cover the high depreciation. Those telling us how clever they are because they leased rather than bought their EV so depreciation isn't an issue, are going to look a bit sick once lease companies adjust for the potential losses they are facing if the EV market continues as it is

@@bat33.12 how many deals want you to know what thee mark up is. not many will tell the truth about what they paid for a car

No servicing? BS! Sounds to me you are posting fake news mate. If you really owned an EV you would experience that they also require servicing and general maintenance. Spend more time fact checking before you try and blind people with bluff.

Good joke mate. The car dealer will charge you like 500€ for an air filter. That will find a way to make money from you.

I wonder what the battery milage will be after 8 years and some 200-300K miles..? And how do we know what the price per kW will be during this time?

Why do you think that would be a good idea?

@@jimjones-bk2is because they're shit, and their carbon footprint is horrendous.

​@@jimjones-bk2isbecause they're shit. Did you even watch the video?

​@jimjones-bk2is so the climate nazis accept , their not good or ideal for everyone and people should have the FREEDOM of CHOICE to decide , NOT be FORCED by the said Nazis !

How about we let free market decide. O yes we don't have free market

They love to virtue signal😂

we can only hope.

The batteries are a hard depreciation in EVs. Making it so the customer has to buy the batteries, and subsequently pay to replace them etc, was always the hallmark of a scam. What happens when a battery model is no longer in production due to technology moving forward? Twenty years from now, your car is just totaled because the battery went kaput? One of the defining things about regular engine powered cars is that you can always just replace anything in the engine, including the entire thing. You can pop whatever engine you want in whatever car you want, and are only limited by the size of the engine bay. The engine bay which you can modify the chassis around in order to make as big as necessary, including even chopping up the interior of the vehicle to stick it elsewhere. You can't do any serious modification to EVs. Any serious modification efforts would require the entire car to be rebuilt effectively from scratch, since everything is hardwired and precision engineered together. You can't just take an EV motor system out of a Tesla and pop it into a Honda EV. The entire concept relies on "this technology is functionally complete in design", when cars have literally never been at that point and gas-powered cars are just now only reaching that level of "as good as it is going to get".

Why would anyone want to modify something that works? 3rd party battery replacement for Nissan Leaf is here

@@gwilymselwood and how long are those third parties going to make the compatible model? EVs will run into the same problem that anyone that owned a Pontiac experienced when the company went under. As soon as there isn't anyone making the replacement part, a minor break will total the entire vehicle.

@@gwilymselwood I enquired at a 3rd party NZ company, and an old Leaf battery is considered not fit for purpose once it has degraded to 65% of its original capacity. They wanted $7800 NZD to trade in the 65% battery and replace it with a second hand battery with 80% of its original capacity. So around £3800 for what equates to 1/7 of a battery.🤔

Very good point!

Wow…. And she won’t be alone, as you can see from the video!!

Tbh I work in car finance. Many cars irrelevant of motive power can be ‘in the red’ When traded in with finance. People keep tacking ‘end of loan balloon payments’ on which makes the load more affordable but you do not repay enough to keep ahead of depreciation.

So the secret with EVs is buy a used one not a new one. 😉

Thanks Harry!

I had a diesel Audi I bought in 2021. 2012, 40k miles. Sold it a few months back for £70 more than I paid for it with an extra 21k on the clock. A very good deal I’d say 😂

I think the sensible thing to do is to buy a really good quality used vehicle in top condition and keep it until this EV madness runs it’s course.

@@davidarter6271 or buy something you like in reasonable condition and repair/maintain it. Parts are often cheaper on older models and also you have more choice in the aftermarket. Too many people scrap perfectly serviceable cars for the slightest issue.

It really isn't though. That's just inflation.

@@varmastiko2908 why can't the same generally be said for electric variants of the same make/models?

Excellent! Great story and super relevant to EV depreciation.

Yes public charging sucks and is expensive

Home charger is the way to go. Public chargers are unreliable yeah, but numbers are increasing. Due to unforeseen circumstances, I drive an I pace, scarily exspensive but its a bloody good car. So far.

@@PatLadsChan99 Without home charging I wouldn't own electric car. I do it because its cheaper than fossil but recen electricity prices make it not so nice.

@@PatLadsChan99 I agree, I had my I Pace for 3 years, it was an amazing car to drive and perfect for anything up to a 180 mile round trip but anything over that spoiled my driving experience because I'd spend the whole journey worrying about charging. Only had one issue with the car, I put it on a fast charger when it was already at 80% and it overheated the battery.

@@mikebreen2890 what's bull about it?

​@@syddog44hes got to be woke because they dont like the truth

@@mikebreen2890 There going to start mining for Lithium in cornwall

How about oil production, transport, refining, waste and pollution? Not to mention low efficiency and air pollution. Look properly at all the facts on both sides.

MG ZS Ev with big 72kWh battery will get you covered. Question is is your electricity cheap so it makes economical sense too

I wouldn’t worry about the range. First of all, if the car’s range is specified according to WLTP, your actual range will not be too far off, whether you’re on the highway or in city traffic. Most decent EVs do 400+km on a charge, so factor in some battery degradation and extra power for heating / aircon and you’ll still be able to do your commute with power to spare. As for the batteries: most of them will likely outlast the rest of the car; they are certainly good for 300,000km, and will not degrade that far over their lifetime. The problem, especially with second hand cars, is that word “most”. Any second hand car comes with risk of something breaking, but with an IC the cost of repairs will be worth it if the car is still relatively low mileage. But if the battery in your EV breaks, the car is essentially worthless. Given the extremely low failure rates of these batteries, auto manufacturers will likely offer increasingly good warranties on them. Some brands have a 7 year / 200,000km transferable warranty on them, but once they have better stats on them (and are interested in a good 2nd hand market), they could double that.

I drive from Sydney to the Gold Coast twice a year, no issues. Have had my EV 2 years, no range drop. The savings add up very quickly, never going back to gas.

I live in country Western Australia and an EV makes no sense here in my view owing to the distances we travel, the lack of charging infrastructure and the cost of electricity. If you are seriously considering an EV, you really have to do your due diligence. Any motor vehicle is just a tool that provides personal transport. One of the huge benefits of owning your own vehicle is convenience. You can decide to hop into at any time and transport yourself somewhere quickly. The beauty of a liquid fuelled vehicle is that service stations are prolific and abundant. Refuelling is also very quick. I can drive 600 km in my vehicle and refuel it in five minutes to get a further 600 km of range. Very convenient. How the individual actually uses the vehicle has to be considered. South Australia is also a very large place. So range is a factor. From just a convenience point of view, the first thing to do is to keep a logbook over a three month period recording how you actually use your vehicle. Reset your trip meter every time you fill your car and record where, when and how long it took you to fill up, plus the cost of each refill. Are you a well organised person who fills up every week/fortnight or do you wait until the fuel warning light is on before you fill up? Do you have off street parking, so you can charge up over night? Do you own your own home or are you renting? Charging an EV using a conventional 10 amp power point at home is slow. Can you get a fast charging transformer installed and at what cost? Where are the charging points along your route of travel? Are they in places where you are happy to spend an hour or so waiting for your car to charge? Is there a queue for them? An EV isnt like a liquid fuelled car. You cant put a jerrycan in the car on a country trip to top the car up to get you to the next fuel station. So you need to be well organised and patient. The point of these questions is to just alert you to the fact you need to do YOUR due diligence. Not someone else’s. When people tell you how great an EV is and how they can do a b or c in it, that’s all well and good. But they haven’t given full disclosure. They may be perfectly happy to live with the drawbacks of an EV as they gain so much satisfaction from the other attributes. All power to them I say. But you aren’t them, and they aren’t you. In my life experience if we are going to make choices we are really happy with, they need to be fully informed ones based upon an objective analysis of our (not anybody else’s) needs. Most of us evangelise our own choices because we like affirmation, so take with a grain of salt anything I or anyone else tells you about what decision to make. Especially if they haven’t taken the time to go into detail with you about what your needs are. An EV may be a great choice, it may be a poor one. Only a clear headed objective analysis will tell you.

@@bruiser6479 I agree. If long range is a factor, waiting for the technology to supersede the range of ICE vehicles would be better.

They’re overpriced AND have depreciated massively? Are you saying that even with massive depreciation they’re still overpriced?

@@kevinpeters5000 yes EVs are not a good buy currently particularly with new technology coming such as vehicle to grid.

Lease companies are now seeing EVs as a massive risk as they have lost lots of money recently, you pay for that risk lol

I have built electric mini bikes for the grandkids and use lead acid batteries the last replacement cost $200 I worked out that the bike had done about 200km max I can fill my Ford Falcon ute twice with $200 and get 1300km range

They've come along way since then.. 😂

Exactly!! You nailed it.

As expected with expensive cars to begin with. The biggest faller though was a Vauxhall Mokka E - but it's more expensive than a Tesla 3...

This is a scenario where an EV makes some sense. You really need someone else to have taken a huge depreciation hit before buying one. If you are doing a lot of short, stop start trips where an ICE never really gets to its optimal operating temperature, an electric engine is better suited to that pattern of use. But there are a lot of caveats. As you say you really need your own home charger and most of your distances traveled in a day would need to be reasonably short. To work out if the economics stack up, you would still need to compare it to buying a budget priced second hand ICE vehicle.

@bruiser6479 ...plus the fact it's different, quirky and fun. I'm a confirmed petrol head - I've built modified cars, kit cars, bikes, classics, regular trackdays etc but our little EV still makes me giggle when I drive it for sheer novelty value. Variety is the spice of life so they say!

@@catfrab I totally agree. I drove a friends Tesla, and it was an absolute hoot. I really see the appeal of an EV as a driving experience. Obviously in your situation an EV really works. My Harley isn’t a practical transport choice, but I wouldn’t be without it. My objection isn’t to EV’s, it’s to politicians stupidly seeking to force all of us to get one. Even though they just won’t work here in Western Australia if you want to to travel long distances in the country, and/or tow anything any sort of distance. I definitely think they have there place, but people should be left alone to make their own choice.

Well said I’ve been looking at 2020 Nissan leafs With like 15k miles on them For 14 grand Last year a 3 year old leaf was 20k plus ( think they are about 32 new) This huge price drop is great for sensible folk to buy one after some goon has lots 20 k in a few years

@boyasaka Yep, there are a few bargains out there if you look. Have a browse at the eGolfs too. Just like a GTi but electric. You can pick up a nice one for 10-12k.

If they depreciate so much then the obvious thing to do next time is to buy one 1 or 2 years old and not lease.

Depreciation isn't just something on paper. There is a reason for the acceleration of EV depreciation, that is how fast an EV goes from a functional vehicle into a piece of waste.

He doesn’t want to hear this, gets good clicks from petrolheads by playing to their prejudice

@@jsanders100 No point talking to EVangelists they know it all

Happy to subsidise your waste of money and resources. You’re welcome.

Government rebate means other people are taxed so that you can buy a car. How does that make economic sense?

Good to hear that it all costs in based on getting govenment (us that is) handouts/subsidies. So if we all have one we all pay our own subsidy and then the numbers can work. No, I thought not.

The truth hurts.

That is insane

Have you a link to that ?

Making depreciation great again

Which is weird because around 65% of properties have off street parking in the UK. Could we therefore say that MOST people have access to off street parking and therefor charge overnight?

Gave the poor guy a heart attack :( - EVs are really bad for your health it seems!

Depends hugely on the choice of EV

@@djtaylorutube What he said is appilicable to ALL EVs. Even TESLA performs poorly in Canada's winter. There is no exception.

@@AkiraNakamoto I don't live in Canada thus don't care about Canadian winter :)

@@djtaylorutube You need to be more openminded to understand analogy. By the example of "Canada's winter", I really meant low temperature, which also occurs in any high-altitude mountain regions, for example, even in Southern California when people want to go to Big Bear Lake for skiing during Christmas.

@@AkiraNakamoto UK doesn't have high altitude either. :) I did enjoy piloting up to Big Bear though when I did my PPL in Socal, that's a good altitude and really demonstrates high altitude engine effects too. 50 feet per minute climb out rate over the lake not so much fun! :)

I have electric nissan for last 5 years. It's best car I ever owned all paid for now and I will run it to the ground like I did with my old diesel.

@@xperyskop2475 So thats another three years until the battery fails then.

@@activecarwashsupplies9320 Nissan leaf has old small battery and yet it will outlast car and will be up cycled to home storage . My estimate is that battery will last around 30years (15 yers in car 15years storage). Newer cars with bigger batteries will last longer and this is just beginning as new battery technologies are introduced.

​@@xperyskop2475Bigger batteries = More Lithium = more pollution.

@@AM-wg7qv Lithium batteries can be reused in power walls and then can be recycled so Lithium can be reused . And right now we even have Sodium-ion batteries that don't use lithium cobalt whatsoever. But oil refining will still use cobalt.

If I was in a situation were I could afford to buy a car over 100k depriciation wouldn't bother me or I simply wouldn't buy the car especially brand new..if I had that kind of money I buy something cause I want it and like it and just enjoy it for what it is.unless it's some kind of collectors cars maybe cars are just massive money pits unfortunately

@@shaunbarnsley6928 Your are right and you are wrong. We are both in our 70's. We have worked hard all of our lives and are still doing so, sometimes doing 4 jobs each just to survive. This was our dream car and yes we would not have looked at the value had we not had so many problems with the operating system which caused us to ask them to take it back. That was when we found out about the drop in value. Without those problems we would not have looked. We both, separately, went through moving only to be faced with interest rates rising to 16%. There was no help, moaning did not help so you just had to get on with it. So please think before you judge. I don't know what age you are or what your circumstances are so I will not make derogative remarks about your attitude. I wish for you that you get your dream car before you reach 70.