Do you believe Camelot Unchained will launch in 2025?

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3 ай бұрын

Camelot Unchained, the MMORPG fantasy game we first heard about in December of 2012, a game that went into a very successful Kickstarter in 2013 and raising $2.2 million, with another $2 million from developer Mark Jacobs and a custom in-house engine said to support 500 person battles with a minimum of 30 FPS, was the obvious next game for gamers who wanted epic “Lord of the Rings” style battles. It was supposed to be the game that would bring player vs player battles to new heights if we just waited for it, and wait we did. We waited, and waited, and we kept waiting, and eventually it got to the point where most gamers, including the backers, just accepted that the fate of CU was that it was never going to release and it just faded away.
City State Entertainment, now rebranded as Unchained Entertainment, went through its highs, went through its lows, and while Unchained Engine grew in capability, supposedly being able to deliver large-scale, real-time battles between players (1000 of them at a time) money dried up and then CSE was in a difficult position. Taking on new investors and heading in a new direction. The new infusion of money from investors wasn’t to bring Camelot Unchained to a finished state, but instead to work on a different product called Final Stand Ragnarok. This isn’t the first time we’ve seen a developer take a turn into a different product before getting to the release of their previously presented project. Intrepid Studios while developing the MMORPG Ashes of Creation spun off a Battle Royale titled Ashes of Creation: Apocalypse which was both a game in its own right but also a testing environment for the action part of the MMORPG’s hybrid combat. Soulbound Studios developer Jeromy “Capsian” Walsh is now working on Kingdoms of Elyria which should, in some way yet not fully understood, help with the development of Chronicles of Elyria.
Unchained Entertainment officially launched its prequel Final Stand Ragnarok on 14 March 2023, with a resounding 3 players in a 24-hour peak as of the time of this writing, with the high peak of 37 players in the last month seemingly on 13 March while the game was still in testing. It is entirely possible that the steam tracking is incomplete as Steamchart is returning an error on this game, while SteamDB is reflecting player date up to the minute.
Both MMORPG and MassivelyOP are reporting that Camelot Unchained is expected to release in 2025. The big question now is do you Believe Unchained Entertainment? After over a decade in development, after 9 years of delays, do you believe in the next two years Unchained Entertainment can bring to launch a game that was anticipated nearly a decade ago? Can CU and its promises of 1k+ player battles overcome other, newer, fresher looking games using new ideas and not relying on a faction vs faction warfare system? Or are players looking for a more open sandbox style of persistent worlds, with conflict being player generated with guild vs guild fights as opposed to more formal organized faction teams?
Given that Archeage 2 is expected in 2026 (and maybe earlier if XL Games can finish the design changes talked about here: • Archeage 2 delayed unt... , Ashes of Creation will be in Alpha 2 at that point (scheduled for Q3 of 2024) possibly Beta, and any countless number of games that are in various stages of development, can Camelot Unchained find a cadre of players that can make it relevant? Or is the window for its relevance already closed?
What do you think? Leave a comment below!
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Final Stand Ragnarok
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@Westly.3 2 ай бұрын

Still excited I just want that DAOC feel of RvRvR and I love the Lore and myths of those chosen.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 2 ай бұрын

I think a lot of people are nostalgic for something in the past.

@iantisdale9199 Ай бұрын

Play guild wars 2 they basically ripped off daoc for their wvw

@WawrzyniecTheIII 2 ай бұрын

Promised refunds are nearly 4 years behind. Mj promised if you lose faith in the project or the direction he would refund you. It's been a mess ever since the betrayal game. Also FSR has been in early Access for years. (2021) He promised transparency then stopped talking to all backers after the Betrayal game. He even did an apology and said give him a chance and still did the same thing. Pulled away from all backers.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, promised refunds are a rough thing if you don't have money to do them, and given how poorly Ragnarok is doing, they probably aren't making any money there either.

@gokenji1194 9 күн бұрын

@@ParadoxGamingNetwork more of the problem in my eyes is the got a lot of funding and got the money. but still not refund all they promised.

@zeryphex Ай бұрын

Dark Age Of Camelot was my first MMORPG in 2002, and I also played a couple DLCs and quit and came back to DAoC, at a later time. I am excited for Camelot Unchained, but there are so many games being released, each year, that I have enough to occupy myself until Camelot Unchained gets released. GTA Six is going to be a giant meteorite, and the wake that gets created upon its release will affect multiple games' release dates.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork Ай бұрын

So I don't think GTA 6 is going to be affect release dates. It very well may, but I don't see that fan base overlapping much with MMORPG players.

@John_Conner222 12 күн бұрын

I think I finally figured it out. Mark wants to create an ENGINE, not a game. He doesn't want to make just one game he wants to make hundreds. No way he was going to get funding for that pipe dream so he scammed people with Camelot Unchained. The idea is to drag people long enough to get the engine developed then showcase games like Camelot Unchained and that Ragnarok game to showcase the engines ability to start licensing it out. THAT'S how he is getting more funding these days. I don't want to play CU anymore. In fact I have blacklisted it and actively promote others to do the same. They are rebranding their company just in time for the next year release thinking they are going to get away with this. The internet won't let them. People that want refunds should have charge backed their accounts a long time ago. They are going to drag this out and get the release done as quickly as possible and then refuse refunds because they finally delivered. I would promote that you guys get together and file a class action and petition the Better Business Bureau. It needs to happen to punish this criminal behavior but you know it won't. People these days just roll over and get scammed and don't do anything about it but cry on forums they can get banned from.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 12 күн бұрын

Sadly, getting the Better Business Bureau involved is totally pointless. They are a reporting agency not an enforcement agency. They literally have no power which they will freely admit. Sadly, getting a class action lawsuit together will be equally futile. You can only sue a company for what they have, so if they raised 20 million and they have 1 million left, well the pot is only 5% of what you started with. Then, if you win, that 1 mllion will quickly become 600,000 since the class action lawyer is going to take 40% off the top. Sadly, the only way this ends is if all gamers stop backing all early access projects. Buy a game at launch and that is it.

@josephtyus6406 Ай бұрын

Had some really awesome moments playing DAoC, and met a ton of really good people I am still friends with to this day. I would totally play CU if it ever sees the light of day. I don't really care about the graphics, but if they want to attract new and younger blood, they may need more... rather than less.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork Ай бұрын

More rather than less

@unityman3133 14 күн бұрын

battlebit remastered has player counts up to 256 and runs decent

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 14 күн бұрын

Yeah now the question is can they get to the level they want on CU.

@Ithirahad 2 ай бұрын

My personal graphics benchmark is Aion Online. If it looks worse than Aion Online, whether in terms of quality or art direction, I'm probably not interested. I don't care about "modern" features and fancy tech, I just care that the tech is good enough to create a cohesive portrayal of the world in the game, and the artists leverage it to its full extents. I also care that the game art takes itself somewhat seriously - stylized is fine, a bit of fun is fine, outright goofy all the time is not. Camelot still checks all the boxes for me.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 2 ай бұрын

That's good, on the graphics at least.

@hyrulegg4591 3 ай бұрын

Btw. when I started another AA Fresh Start in 2018 I was thinking that Ashes releases soon and maybe I should keep my vacation for Ashes. But 3 AA servers later, Ashes is still not here

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 3 ай бұрын

Ashes of Creation will go into Alpha 2 testing in Q3 of 2024 (if they make their deadline). Previously it was stated that Alpha 2 would be the longest testing phase but that was old information from a long time ago. You've probably had 6 vacations by now.

@FormationFaceroll Ай бұрын

I feel like very few are actually excited about CU anymore but a lot of people have it on their radar so if it turns out to be a good game and generate enough early engagement to fill the servers to a playable state the game can succeed just due to mouth to mouth marketing and some streamers picking it up. If they don't generate the players on start, the game as an RvRvR will fall into the loop of "I'll not start the game because nobody is playing it" and just be a stillbirth. As for graphics, honestly I don't think it matters too much. Return of reckoning even as a private server is healthy, foxhole is doing fine and albion is doing absolutely fantastic. Better graphics gate you out of people with weak rigs, which can be a huge problem in low income areas. It's a tradeoff in my opinion to have good graphics, scewed towards graphics being the better choice if you can afford and run it but not as important as people make it out to be.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork Ай бұрын

Well said about the graphics, but I think with the 10 series graphics cards being 8 years old now, I think the bottom floor of graphics is due to bump up

@DarbTails 3 ай бұрын

Personally, I can't say I'm excited. As an average gamer who works 45 to 50 hours a week, I hadn't even heard about the game until you mentioned it in your Star Citizen video. With that being said, it sounds like it could be nice, but I need convincing if they want part of my entertainment fund.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 3 ай бұрын

Wow, that's pretty interesting that you'd never heard of Camelot Unchained before. I remember when CU was "the next game" and then that become CoE, which became Pantheon, then COE, then Ashes, now we are on Pax Dei, AA2, Throne and Liberty, Chrono Odyssey, and of course waiting on the Riot MMO.

@gokenji1194 9 күн бұрын

vid is all old stuff graphically. But its still not near UE5 at all. But I hope CU will get good TriRealm Combat and Physically CUBE buildings to tear down in its final form. can't wait to see what they're cooking. Oh and Crowfall was come and go from KS. no problem it got forgotten. ^^

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 8 күн бұрын

From what I've seen of CU, I don't think their custom engine will be able to replicate what UE5 can do. Maybe it can, but I'm not seeing it.

@gokenji1194 8 күн бұрын

@@ParadoxGamingNetwork I would also guess max UE4. But I'm also more of the gameplay over Graphic side. If the Graphics is fitting and nice. Gameplay is what matters. Looking on game charts and see most of the now top 10 played games are over 5-10 years old. Not to say CU will Nail the Game Play. But for me this will be the thing if it Fly or Crash in the end. not Shining Graphics.

@NotThemunchained 2 ай бұрын

I have a 1hr screen recording of 'gameplay' recorded in 2024, i would like to make this available to you for your videos to show the current state of what is supposed to be camelot unchained. how can I get you the file?

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 2 ай бұрын

You can email me at support@paradoxgaming.net and send the file that way and I'll take a look.

@NotThemunchained 2 ай бұрын

@@ParadoxGamingNetwork done

@TyrJustice 2 ай бұрын

Can i also have access to this footage please.

@gokenji1194 9 күн бұрын

on the biomes?

@talemire258 3 ай бұрын

Personally I'd like to see multiple factions within a sandbox environment, however, I do feel like CU's window of opportunity is going to be closed by the time it launches. We're not gonna have any shortage of games to play come Q4 2025.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 3 ай бұрын

Very true. I think sandbox is the new vogue. Everyone wants it.

@davidcrow3101 Ай бұрын

What is the difference between Mark Jacobs and Santa Claus? I've seen the real Mark Jacobs, but Santa Claus delivers once a year. Camelot Unchained gets rezzed at irregular intervals like this one, but it's time to tell the truth. It's a ghost of a game that is designed to appeal to a generation of gamers that doesn't game like they used to, if at all. People who played Dark Age of Camelot in it's glory days are literally in their 40s and 50s that have got lives and children and careers and mortgages and they don't have time to spend on games with realm war time sinks anymore. If you actually played DAoC during it's peak in the early 2000s, you know what I mean. And DAoC still exists. If people really wanted this kind of game they can already play it any time they want and they don't play it. IF this comes out in 2025, which is a big if, it's probably Dead on Arrival. How long are people going to blindly buy into a quarter of a century old nostalgia trip? It's time to let this ghost rest in peace. Strangely I found this video while searching for DAoC music, so I could get a little nostalgic background music for work today. Otherwise Camelot Unchained, or whatever they're calling it now, would have never entered into my mind. I gave up on this kind of game when I deleted my DAoC account in 2003. I guess that makes me a grumpy old gamer.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork Ай бұрын

Sadly with CU and then the stand alone game they did that was terrible, I'm not sure if we will get a game worth playing in 2025.

@phooogle 26 күн бұрын

Dunno, I hope it will. But it's been 12 years.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 19 күн бұрын

Yeah it has been a long time coming, if it ever comes.

@draccuzhc7113 2 ай бұрын

so i founded Camelot Unchained as u said during a time of MMORPG "Downtime". I hope it will be good,, but i dont have high hopes for the game even if it realises. Sad for the money.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 2 ай бұрын

There was a 4th of July weekend about 5 years ago? 4 years ago? That they were going to start Beta 1. I had nothing else to do that weekend so I was getting ready to back the game. Then, they said the NDA wouldn't be coming down. So, I paused. 4 or 5 years later, here we are.

@WawrzyniecTheIII 2 ай бұрын

@@ParadoxGamingNetwork I doubt that NDA will be coming down with all the drama they caused.

@michaeldpa1333 9 күн бұрын

The EDEN Server DEV Team is working on a DAOC UnReal Engine 5 Update. Screw Mark Jacobs!

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 9 күн бұрын

that's pretty impressive that they are going to do a engine swap. Good on them.

@EbenezerEibenhardt Ай бұрын

Tragic problem with passion projects. I think Richard Garriott may have had similar issues. You invite your target audience - believers - to put in their money to contribute to your visionary opus. You frack it up. You mishandle the money. You break faith with your backers and they call you on the carpet. You fail to make amends because the money isn't there or isn't liquid to refund them in a timely fashion. You have to keep going back to work every day, not to build the dream but to eat another slice of ten-year-old crow. Now your vision is tarnished. Even if you manage to complete the project at this point, even if it succeeds against all odds, you know it will still be unworthy of your original ivory tower dream, and it's not because the market or the tech or the kickstarter failed, its because *you* did. Your dream is lame because you were, and worst of all, you didn't have to be. You chose to be. Hell of a dead goose to have around your neck.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork Ай бұрын

100% spot on

@amcdonald7479 Ай бұрын

Will eat my socks if this comes out in 2025 and doesn't look like hot garbage.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork Ай бұрын

Wow, that is throwing the gauntlet down.

@hyrulegg4591 3 ай бұрын

Followed Camelot Unchained a while here and there. Liked that they wanted to creade a pvp driven game with many classes and sandbox (AA lover myself). However, Camelot Unchained looks just not good to me and that never changed. All the good ideas they had are worth nothing when the game looks and feels super outdated.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 3 ай бұрын

Although you can have a good game with dated graphics, I don't think in the era of Unreal Engine or RE engine (Dragon's Dogma 2) you can put out a game with dated looking graphics. New World looked great, UE 5 makes games look even better.

@zimba7768 2 күн бұрын

Using a webcam will always get a thumbs down

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 2 күн бұрын

Ok? Then I guess don't watch?

@RahulSharma-bh1ux 2 ай бұрын

yes it will

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 2 ай бұрын

Fair

@bemusedkidney8619 Ай бұрын

It's possible it may release but I've lost all interest to be honest. I'll take a look at DaoC Eden when it updates to Unreal engine instead.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork Ай бұрын

A few people have said that.

@revren9050 3 ай бұрын

At the moment this game looks like a pre-alpha version: very bad graphics, bad controls and so on. I have no idea how Unchained Entertainment wants to release CU by the end of 2025 unless they work 15 hours a day (just kidding). Or they will release the game in “early access”, without an advertising campaign (a good start for an MMORPG requires a lot of money, UE doesn’t have it) and it will fail very quickly, without gathering a strong backbone of the community. In general, they were many years late. If the game manages to stay in the market, if it comes out, it will be an extremely niche MMORPG that will be played by as many people as Mortal Online 2. P.S. I'll keep an eye on the situation, but I'm extremely skeptical about the latest information regarding the release window.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 2 ай бұрын

Sadly I think CU and Fractured share many of the same flaws. Good concepts, long development times, missed windows, and now the audience has changed so much the market has shifted.

@BjornPersson-vl3ee 2 ай бұрын

I don't need a game that is good to have the latest graphics. Just better then the first game Daoc.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 2 ай бұрын

That's good feedback. Sadly I think with the era of 5000 series cards coming, people are going to be on 10 series as the "old" card and I don't see people paying top dollar or spending a lot of time in games with graphics from the 1990s.

@BjornPersson-vl3ee 2 ай бұрын

@@ParadoxGamingNetwork Yeah. Only those that played Daoc will perhaps feel like me. It won't be easy getting new people in. So yeah. It will be hard when the engine they use is already very outdated.

@BjornPersson-vl3ee 2 ай бұрын

@@ParadoxGamingNetwork I would say that a remake in Unreal engine which have been said to maby happen. That is probably the best chance Daoc has to get interesting for enough people to make it viable. I have seen Camelot Unchained and what that engine brings. And I am not impressed. And If me being a very hardcore player of Daoc some 10 years ago think so. Then it will probably not succeed unless it is done in a engine like Unreal.

@BjornPersson-vl3ee 2 ай бұрын

I would say that a complete remake would not have to be that different from the original game. Just modernized and in a new engine and then i do believe it could get a lot of attention if done right. Dark age of Camelot had aloot of strong points. The PVE parth could absolutely be improved. But to this date in 2024. No game is as good PvPwise :D *Dark age of Camelot was not advertised well what so ever. No one except those getting into the game when i did probably even knew it was a thing. Daoc was never a big thing discussion wise. It was a very limited enjoyment for me and a selected few.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 2 ай бұрын

I think most games from the past could be brought back to life with remakes, but that would take a lot of time with updating graphics to 2024 quality.

@ByeBaybe 2 ай бұрын

these companies are so obsessed with selling customers the idea of epic scale battles when all that matters is reliable controls and satisfying mechanics.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 2 ай бұрын

Kinda. I mean if you say epic scale battles, 50 vs 50 isn't going to cut it no matter how good the controls and the mechanics are.

@TripmasterG 23 күн бұрын

Are you assuming the controls or mechanics have been sacrificed? I can't break the NDA to answer you and you certainly don't know the answer unless you're breaking a NDA already.

@hado33_ 2 ай бұрын

i need a new mmorpg to play bro i am so fucking sick of wow man.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 2 ай бұрын

Well you got - Eternal Tombs coming later this year - Brighter Shores coming later this year (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jMpmZ6p-u5ishY0.html)

@deewwwd 2 ай бұрын

Fool me once. . .

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 2 ай бұрын

Indeed that's a major fear players have. It also is a major fear starting to affect the genre players. They get burned once, twice, a few times and then they say "Oh no, not another one" The sad thing is, many people are skeptical of games like Ashes of Creation, Eternal Tombs, and Brighter Shores because of being burned by Crowfall, Chronicles of Elyria, and a few of the other "older" before this time crowd funded mmorpgs.

@drunkprophet1581 2 ай бұрын

Im crossing my fingers... im optimistic

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 2 ай бұрын

Better cross your toes too. 2024/2025 is going to be big for game releases

@dogearmybrian7070 Ай бұрын

RvRvR will always be the best pvp, and the only offerings now are the sad state of live, and private servers run by morons.

@ParadoxGamingNetwork Ай бұрын

I think RvRvR can be good, but I think player created content can be just as good if not better. RvRvR needs to have really good rulesets.

@YTNahil13ieme 2 ай бұрын

This game is a scam

@ParadoxGamingNetwork 2 ай бұрын

I wouldn't say its a "scam" although I could see where people might think that and I respect your right to have that opinion. I think going off in a totally different direction to do Final Stand Ragnarök which nobody played was a terrible idea.

@amcdonald7479 Ай бұрын

The guy making it's like a man child.