Do You Really Need A Triathlon Bike For The World Champs In Nice?

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For the first time ever the World Champs is being held outside of the USA and on a really hilly route! So we wanted to do an experiment for you; which is better for the World Champs in Nice? A road bike? or a tri bike? James finds out which is faster!
0:00 - Intro
0:54 - TT bike hill test
2:01 - Road bike hill test
3:20 - The bikes
6:56 - TT turning test
8:18 - Road turning test
9:55 - Things to think about
12:25 - Flat test
13:31 - Descending
15:02 - Rudy Von Berg's thoughts
16:42 - Results
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@RichardWait 11 ай бұрын

Love these type of GTN road vs tt bike videos - as it really drives home, triathlon doesn't need to be war against your wallet to obtain a spanked out TT bike when your road bike will be just as good if you aren't aiming for the podium.

@madshansson20 11 ай бұрын

Great video. I use my roadbike regardless any route. I cant affort to have more than one good bike. And i find the roadbike to be the best choice for me.

@michaelvrbanac6923 11 ай бұрын

At the 2019 IMWC 70.3, I used a Cervelo P4 built light with mechanical groupset and medium deep aero wheelset. Weight was about 17 lbs. It was the perfect bike for that course. Handling is similar to a road bike. Climbed great. It was really fast on the flatter sections. My Cervelo P5 is a pig on climbs, and so are most modern triathlon/TT bikes.

@MatthewSpurr 8 ай бұрын

Such a great video this was James, thanks!

@christianwirth6965 11 ай бұрын

Love the verdict in the end! Great comment! Though I do believe that as this is the World Championship and thereby entry is only permitted by qualification by being at the pointy end of the age group fields, most will be most comfortable on their Tri Bike as this is likely what they have accumulated many training hours on in order to be able to qualify.

@automotive474 11 ай бұрын

Superb video, top notch

@jonathanzappala 11 ай бұрын

I went to the age group world champs in Lausanne 2019, 70.3 worlds were in Nice a week later, so a lot of us Americans were doing both. There was a lot of discussion in the facebook group about what bike to use for Nice. I was just going for draft legal sprint in Lausanne, so it was road bike for me.

@CoachSalsaLuli 11 ай бұрын

Going with TriBike. Road bike is very similar but I need to 'make up' any time on flat in TT Position for climbs and slower/dangerous descents.

@jascollinscork 11 ай бұрын

Regardless of us mere triathletes who won't be going to the championships there this is a VERY good test for ALOT of us who race a road bike OR a TT bike 👌🏻😍 so can you tell me what were the clip on bars being used need of a new set!!

@GaneshD123 11 ай бұрын

Excellent!

@krishnansrinivasan830 11 ай бұрын

Nice & Thanks :)

@triggerdave89 11 ай бұрын

What aero bars are on the road bike? Thinking about getting some for mine before going full tri-bike eventually? Thanks for the great video 👍🏻

@alexanderpolta 11 ай бұрын

My Felt AR5 with Canyon H11 Profile Design clip-on aerobars is nearly identical in speed to my Felt DA1. It's just slightly harder to dial in fit, and fit counts for that extra 5%.

@ironmantooltime 11 ай бұрын

Second ☹️ I love this video ❤👌👏 TT all the way on the flats, but mixed course, and if you're not fighting for podium, go with your bike 😎

@-communication5636 11 ай бұрын

Nice vidéo 👍

@jesuscruz836 11 ай бұрын

Well done James! One question, what exactly is a "TIWSTY ROUTE" (17:34) 🤔

@jonathanzappala 11 ай бұрын

I had a hilly local race last year, and with my 1x tri bike, I wasn't sure if my aero road bike with 2x was the better choice. I had a one piece bar and stem so no clip ons for the road bike. I pre rode the course with the same set of wheels on each bike. The tri bike won hands down, I would best bike split the difference first, but If I was going it would be tri bike. I know I climb faster on the tri bike, aero over weight. The road bike I have now I can put clip ons on, and that bike with different wheels and tires, is closer to the tri bike, but it's still going to give up 60 seconds per 40k.

@glastos 11 ай бұрын

I'm taking the TT bike to Lahti and so it'll be the TT for me. I survived St George Utah on the TT and that was a godawful hot day, so this will be okay.

@ianbatty25 11 ай бұрын

I did Nice last year on a TT bike with rim brakes. Wish I’d taken my road with disks as I was absolutely petrified on the downhills. Most people were on road bikes. And only 2 disc wheels!

@Balkac 11 ай бұрын

Tiwsty route! 😃I expected the result like this - in the end of the day - use the bike you are use to ride.

@GARETT84 11 ай бұрын

It looks like the Speedmax is a CF SLX with DT Swiss ARC 1400 SPLINE DB 62 front and 80 rear. The Ultimate had DT Swiss ARC 1100 DICUT DB 62's both front and rear. I wonder if the deeper rear rim on the Speedmax made it a bit faster as well.

@Oue22 11 ай бұрын

How much of an impact is running the smaller tire up front?

@ericb8985 11 ай бұрын

Great video! You did a good job comparing the numbers but really nailed the point about "being comfortable and used to the bike". With all the marketing and marginal gains, we tend to forget that for the amateur, this sport is first and foremost about being healthy (physiological and psychological). Descending without confidence in the material is definitely not the right thing to do. PS: I'd love to see more videos on the psychological effects. Let's say I get a close call descending and panic to 190bpm. How much do I lose? How do fans, competitors and cars affect me and can I differ between good / bad excitement?

@elmotel 11 ай бұрын

roadie so we could bike tour prior and after :D

@technodork101 11 ай бұрын

I think this test would have been better done with an aero road bike, like the Aeroad, as opposed to the Ultimate. However, I still found this useful. I think that most, if not all of the athletes at the world championship level will be on tri bikes, but for the rest of us, the road bike with clip-on aero bars may very well be the better option (who can afford to have 2 high-end bikes)?

@themindgarage8938 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the analysis, just wondering how much does wattage matter on the climbs? 325W is more than even the pros will be doing unless it's for a fairly short time to stay with a pack. At lower power outputs you'll be climbing slower meaning aero matters less and weight matters more.

@jamiefuhrman403 11 ай бұрын

Pretty sure the top pro men average around 315W for the whole course

@felixblock1542 11 ай бұрын

The 38 seconds loss with the triathlon bike also seem a bit much to me. I have often driven identical routes very protected from the wind with road bike (S5 Rim) as well as triathlon bike (Cervelo P3 Rim), thereby with mutually matched powermeters. Mostly the triathlon bike was just as fast or only very slightly slower uphill due to the frequent use of the aerobars vs. no aerobars on the pure road bike. Also at about 1-1.5kg difference. Even if I weigh only 64-65 kg, the difference is really very small even for me. Without aerodynamics you are more in the range of 13 sec instead of 38 sec for 3 km at 9%. Or in my case 3 km 6%. In addition, the saddle position on the road bike is often not so far forward shiftable that you can reasonably lie on the aerobars. That would be for me even the main argument against (!) the road bike, because for me the position on the aerobars on the triathlon bike is significantly more comfortable. It depends of course on the bike skills and especially the habituation, but even downhill you have the potential (aerodynamically) to be faster with the triathlon bike. But ultimately: the route can be done with both bikes!

@conrad1380 11 ай бұрын

Me - Starting with the hill climb? Dang, well im sure he did a warm up. James -"I probably should have done a warm" Me - Shakes my head with disapproval" lol

@Star14trek 11 ай бұрын

Hi James as you eluded most people will not put as much power on a TT bike 10-20%? May be you should have done bike at set power and then done the TT bike at same average heart rate as road bike. Then they would be at same effort level 😁

@user-uq8pl3cs9h 11 ай бұрын

It's a Speedmax SLX and why do you have Ultegra on your Aeroad CFR?

@jasonbussellsmusic8828 11 ай бұрын

Ironman Wisconsin hella hilly and technical. I’m using a road bike for the weight savings and maneuverability.

@HarishChouhan 11 ай бұрын

Gustav Iden had done this on Road bike.

@larrylem3582 11 ай бұрын

0:15 "doin' a little Ironman Champs course reckion(?) venue scouting" Is that English for "reconnaissance"?

@KoenMiseur 11 ай бұрын

2 minutes is a lot for pro's but not for amateurs, I would also think that having aerohandlebars would be better than the round once used here?

@Nairezs 11 ай бұрын

Why arent arent you showing the power numbers for the other sections? Pretty important for comparing I would say

@blindstrom14 11 ай бұрын

I have 2 Tri bikes, one for outside, one for the trainer. The decision is simple.

@eyenoball 11 ай бұрын

is that ollie's ultimate? DOES HE KNOW YOU'VE SLAPPED TRI BARS ON HIS BABY?

@martinhoppe9511 11 ай бұрын

You drive an CFR and do an aloy stem, bar and clip on o it? No better solution?

@anthonytoth6058 11 ай бұрын

If you fit the bike near identical a watt is a watt , but your prediction is so off because if the TT bike is slower up hill solely based off wt it will be much faster down hill with that extra wt. plus higher speed aerodynamic matter more. So if properly done we could see a downhill’s difference on 4-6 minutes over the 180 km per the 109 sec you predicted so that’s 2 free run kms ahead of the those on road bikes

@refthimos 11 ай бұрын

This type of test should really be performed with the same PM, swapped for each test between the two bikes (i.e. PM pedals)

@jamescunnama3583 11 ай бұрын

It was. Wahoo Speedplay power pedals.

@refthimos 11 ай бұрын

Ahhh.... didn't see that mentioned. Good job GCN then!

@ironman140.6 11 ай бұрын

New TT Canyon?

@jonathanzappala 11 ай бұрын

What if you have both bikes already haha?

@chrisstrider 11 ай бұрын

Interesting…..Iden famously won there on his ITU bike

@fredtube25 11 ай бұрын

there but on the 70.3 Also he didn't had a TT bike bike not even a sponsor at that time.

@zonkimwald 11 ай бұрын

Which aero bars did you put on the ultimate? And would this bars also fit on the aeroad?! (Newest models)

@brutonia 11 ай бұрын

They changed the handlebars on that ultimate to make it fit. I have a newer ultmate with the same bars as the aeroad. The aeroad bars(with the bolted on sides) aren't designed to put aerobars on them if you can get ones that fit. The new ultimate with full internal routing through the steam/cockpit, can't be switched over to traditional handlebar and stems because of the routing issue. I asked canyon about this last week

@ziyangzhang1421 11 ай бұрын

Are you using the same power meter or did you calibrate it? I don't think 38 s over less than 10 min is possible, because thats 6-7%difference, while weight difference of 1.5kg could only lead to time difference of 1.5/80(bike+rider) ~2%(~12s) max. But interesting result anyways.

@ericb8985 11 ай бұрын

While they tried to replicate the position and setup, I expect the hoods of the road bike to be higher than the triathlon base-bar. This, as well as the wider handlebar, might make it more comfortable to get the power out and even when you match the power numbers, this comfort can lead to smoother riding and therefore more gains than just the weight. That's what I really enjoyed about this comparison. There is always more to the sport than plain numbers.

@teplak4805 11 ай бұрын

The real takeaway from this video is at 13:32

@kennlicht 11 ай бұрын

Please don't laugh: I'm really confident in my gravelbike and, believe it or not, I'm often much faster than some guys on their road bikes and even on triathlon bikes. I must admit, that our local roads are a bit "twisty", so confidence is king! 🙂

@mandagrath 11 ай бұрын

As we say in the shooting sports “It’s not the arrow, it’s the Indian”. Everyone likes what they like. I just did my first Tri on a MTB that I put the skinniest tires I could find on. It was a blast.

@jfloyo11 11 ай бұрын

two words...Gustav Idan

@fredtube25 11 ай бұрын

He did the 70.3. Also he was on his road bike because he didn't had bike sponsor at that time.

@jfloyo11 11 ай бұрын

@@fredtube25 yeah...thats why I said his name lololol

@fredtube25 10 ай бұрын

@@jfloyo11 Iden, not Idan. What Im saying is that he choose the Road Bike because he didn't had other choice. No sponsor at that time (he has now GIANT has bike sponsor and rides the Trinity TT bike) to provide him a Triathlon/TT Bike. Otherwise he would go with TT bike. His words.

@jfloyo11 10 ай бұрын

@@fredtube25 Great...still why I said it lol

@jazznroll5 11 ай бұрын

Tribike VS Roadbike with clip-on bars version 457!!!

@jonathanzappala 11 ай бұрын

This seems unworthy of GTN/GCN does science, you made the setups for the bikes in a way that actually minimized non important variables like wheels ;)

@79devo 11 ай бұрын

There’s something not quite right with James. I can’t put my finger on it but he seems to be pissed off for quite a while now, particularly compared to the continually effervescent Heather and Mark.

@ironman140.6 11 ай бұрын

I agree he looks at all sorts - much like Frazier did. Maybe Mark and Heather don't want him around they are envious of his achievements. He is a world-class triathlete whereas Mark and Heather are ways less impressive in all departments. Especially style and presentation. James is a class above.

@troycollett8540 11 ай бұрын

What utter bs

@markthrelfall3577 11 ай бұрын

I can assure you that we're having a lot of fun behind the scenes on GTN. Doing multiple hard efforts in one day, on your own, will do that to you. I mean check out our recent Retro Tri...James was in his element :)

@markthrelfall3577 11 ай бұрын

@@ironman140.6 See previous reply. We are normal people, and we do see these comments. Imagine reading a comment like this about your ability! James is an incredible athlete. We chat about his successes very often, and are incredibly proud to have him on team GTN. Heather is also an Olympic medallist! I'm just a short course guy, that did long course for a bit, but I love triathlon. We all work hard to bring videos to the channel for everyone to enjoy, for free

@troycollett8540 11 ай бұрын

@@markthrelfall3577 hey mark will you also be looking at the 70.3 worlds as they aren’t too far off