Yes. That made me wince.

Amen. I'm a brother to 2 fost/adopt sisters and that really rankled me.

Can’t agree more! Why does RTD take care with many different types of lives but uses this issue for a cheap moment

im adopted and honestly i dont think theres much difference between referring your biological mum and real mum

It's not tasteless, it's derogatory and insulting.

Like, "I'm free!!!!" To get knocked back down again like I think he said two minutes later

I recently watched pyramids of mars and I love the repeated fact that the doctor keeps telling Sarah that sutekh will DESTROY THE WORLD ENTIRELY. And then he just goes back into his coffin after celebrating. I was so disappointed. I wished we got AT LEAST one extra episode of defeating him.

Nice to know the Doctor was able to bring Davros back.

People who think they're gods assume they don't have to do anything.

Sutekh's own fault. If he was free why go to Britain? He could have just destroyed Earth from Egypt. No need to even enter a time space tunnel. Leave the tomb the way Marcus came in.

There are a lot elements that you cant explain away. 63yards, maestro, snow, carol singers... That whole resolution seems to be a fake one from unkt to contain ruby on earth, cause her true identity is to dangerous to let her know.

@@td4068 Good point. I'd love it if Unit was controlling this but then I'd have hoped the Doctor would have questioned it too.

@@td4068 Nice head cannon, but UNIT has never been that competent on the show.

I thought it was because she saw the Doctor, being as he was the only one around maybe the pointing was to tell him that her name was Ruby 🤷‍♂️

@@tanepukenga1421 new doctor, new rules. Maybe ots also mainly a plan from the doctor. Bit it is too lazy, too obviously bad to be the truth.

@Thief555WWJD: Well I think RTD was going to add to those 'setup boxes' with some big stuff, but failed.. studio pressure or just wimped out??

Those - and other - loose ends are still there, because there's a season two.

You misunderstand - the salt did it!

This is a false flag I feel. Rubys parents aren't really rubys parents. It's another trick I hope by Russell t Davies and all will be revealed in the next series

@@Sammelwuetiger i hope you're right. Im not convinced though. Ruby's not the main companion next season.

😂😂😂😂😂

But was Sutekh dressed like Superman whilst he was watching them?

@@jumpcutfilms1958 Or when Amy tried to seduce the Doctor…

@@skinnysnorlax9356 had to, how else??

😂😂😂

its mentioned in the giggle i think when donna asks what the pay is i think its 50k then donna asked for 100k and got 2 weeks holiday as well

@@josephjoseph6669I think they meant the list of everyone they pay

Yeah. She literally recruited the Harbinger.

I hear their munitions guy is the paperboy who gave her a Christmas card one year.

Kate: We only let certain people into UNIT, to protect ourselves from anyone who could be dangerous. Also Kate: You were literally created by the God of Death as a Harbinger with the power to kill people. Want a job?

Easy, they weren't worshiping Sutekh, they were worshiping the all conquering Disney...

BECAUSE SALT

​@@G_Fresh_UK It's not Disney. RTD always wrote like that, we were just kids back then.

It's all Sutekh. He got interested in the Christmas special, because the Doctor got interested, and Sutekh was already powerful enough to kling on and watch. So basically he didn't get the situation being attached to the Tardis, and the whole situation shook the Doctor so much that Sutekh got interested in it as well. It's a very Pratchett thing where if enough people start believing that something is important, than it actually becomes important even if it wasn't. Sutekh didn't get the situation and though it was important - so it became important and even acquired some of his powers. The snow is Sutekh thinking about this, the song is too, maestro say Ruby is wrong because she's literally oozing Sutekh's power when she thinks about her mom. The mom didn't point to the sign, Sutekh changed the memory trying to look at her, and I thing she pointed at Sutekh, not the sign. Basically, he turned two very ordinary women into something magical just because he's a being of great power who got focused on them more than anyone would need to.

I agree. It sucks, but you're right.

I agree the lack of long term consequences and the fact that you know dead main characters are just going to pop back to life nowadays isn't good, however, I don't agree that the acolytes should have stayed dead. They state clearly that they have a 'half-life' (which I assume doesn't have anything to do with radioisotopes), so Sutekh's power very much did affect them, and arguably half killed them. I guess there's the possibility of them being trapped in the half-life state, or the argument that Sutekh was keeping them alive, so therefore with him gone they should collapse, but that then negates the 'bringing death to death' thing that the Doctor came up with (which I didn't particularly like btw and felt like the usual Russell T plot contrivance to finish a story arc). Incidentally, if he 'brought death to death', doesn't that mean all the people should now be immortal, like Captain Jack?

@robertwareham8466 I kind of wondered what happened to Captain Jack during the dusting. Did he dust out and reform? And did he do it over and over. I bet it wouldn't have been pleasant.

Exactly! All the Susans were avatars for Sutekh like Henry/Harriet Arbinger so they should have died at the end. It was shown that all the avatars/puppets/acolytes were essentially an undead state & 15 even stated that when he felt Mel's hand, it was cold with death so she was effectively dead too so that means she should not have been able to be brought back. RTD has shown in the past that he starts finales well, but has trouble sticking the landing with two part ones & unfortunately this is another case of it.

@@winstonpapstein6871 They weren't avatars (i.e. parts of Sutekh himself), at least not as far as it was stated. They were human heralds. Subtle distinction, but important in the context of your comment, I think. Everyone that was dusted was dead and was brought back, why wouldn't that apply to the harbingers? That was the whole point of 'bringing death to death'.

These wouldn't be. And they should be longer.

My one criticism. We didn’t get enough time to explore the Doctor and Ruby relationship. Barely got to know her.

I actually dont agree here, only because we know they have already filmed season 2 and Ruby is involved so even them saying goodbyw after like 12 episodes means nothing we know she is coming back

@@mattwho81 Same

@@jdgjagerbomber9430 Yeah, but that's not the question. The question is: Do we CARE that she's coming back? Cause frankly, I don't. I haven't been able to get to know the character enough to invest in them, let alone care about them. To put it in perspective, by this time in 11's era, we already met Amy, knew she was running from her wedding and were only just meeting Rory at this point - yet I still cared far more for those two than I do for Ruby or her family drama. Who doesn't work without audience investment and for that investment, time is required.

Remember REY of STAR WARS had a similar thing happen,,, But it was not true

Literally the last 4 companions didn't die (more if you count Donna). Plus Martha and even rose. It was only Moffat who actually killed off/ made sure the doctor could never see his companions again

@@kevcatnip7589 Rey’s ordinary origin was meant to reinforce a point about the larger tapestry of Star Wars aka the broom kid. Anyone can be the hero/Luke of the story.

Maybe the reason Ruby's special isn't her mother...but her father!

It's because of the salt! Because they believed in the mystery!

I like the idea that allthat stuff is faked by Unit to contain ruby on earth. Because letting her know the truth is tooo dangerous

@@td4068 I really do hope there’s more to it

Couldn't have said it better!

Again... It seems we're missing very probable Iris Wildthyme connections that could explain so much including the meddling with all of this and UNIT too. Wouldn't surprise me if Mrs. Flood pops her suitcase onto a double Decker Omnibus.

I think it will be picked up n the next season

Yeah. They gave the "There'll be an "Endgame" before the episode ends" away real early. Better to have shown the bridge crew fleeing and fighting their way through the Tower, being picked off one at a time. With, of course, Kate and Rose going last.

As soon as I saw the important ppl die I knew there was going to be a reset button which robbed it of all impact , import and consequence

I was so happy, hoping she would stay dead!!! I loathe Kate!

Kate could have dies, but not Carla. That was when I knew. Never Carla

@@freddiecoombes2065 yeah, that was the moment for me as well, i felt it when it was Kate, but once it reached Carla i knew they would all be back

I speak for all of us when saying this: We wish you and your daughter the best and hope you manage to bond and enjoy each other’s company❤❤

That's amazing. All the best to you all and hope the meeting goes well. :)

What a beautiful ending to a long and heartwrenching story. Wishing you all so much joy and happiness as you enter the new and happy chapter of your lives ❤️❤️❤️

🙏🙏 Brilliant. 😊

@@dkimuk Thank you. And to everyone's kind wishes. We have bonded remarkably. I would add that I did not want to give her up. I was caught up in an adoption scam being run by people at Family Services and the Catholic Church. Some of them went to jail. I could have petitioned the court to get her back. But she was 3 years old and her adoptive parents were the only Mommy and Daddy she knew. I couldn't rip her away from that. It meant decades of pain and worry but I know now, without doubt, it was the right thing for her. She is an amazing woman and we have so much in common. I am making her a photo album of all her family back to her great grandparents. I am having a friend who is a professional photographer take some pictures of us and we all get copies. I'm getting old and she lives far away, this may be our only chance to do this.

Yeah, I always side-eye when people talk about the Doctor not killing anyone. Because, he does rather often in the show's history.

Do you think RTD got his inspiration from Mitt Romney?

thats how I spent my Thursday night

Barbara Woodhouse would not have approved.

I totally thought sutekh was supposed to be a bat not a dog 😂 in fairness his nose looks more like a donkey or horse than a dog. But the teeth were also wrong for a donkey so I thought maybe bat 🤷‍♀️

And with the uk states of roads it won't take that long. Bad doggie

was that just Sutekh having some shits and giggles

Oooo me likey!

Fefe, you're a whovian???????

Huh, was not expecting to find you here😂

I would counter the Doctor's theory with this: why don't we think aloud when we're not alone - because people will think we're crazy! We need to wait until we are sure we are alone in order to think out loud! Also it would be kind of rude because when you are in company everyone else has their own internal thought processes so by thinking aloud you're interrupting theirs! Can you imagine the exchange: "who are you talking to?" "Just thinking out loud" "Well can you not please? I am trying to think in my head and I can't hear myseld think in my head with you thinking out loud right next to me!" It would be like the mental equivalent of a ghetto blaster, inflicting other people with your music without considering that maybe they have music of their own. When you're about 5 years old your parents have to tell you "read in your head" because otherwise they would have to listen to the back of every cereal box, Disney annual and sleeve notes to the Muppets album your voracious juvenile eyes alight upon. Being alone is the only time you are free to talk to yourself. Not because we secretly think someone is there, but because we know that no one is there.

I didn't care about The Doctor crying in most episodes. There was one where he cried constantly at not much of anything that made me raise an eyebrow, but mostly he's just less repressed than the other incarnations. Presumably because 14 spends a few decades working on himself, and 15 has those memories in spite of their weird bi-generation shenanigans. The fact that 15 has progressed enough in his healing to be able to appreciate small scale personal tragedies and openly express that is a good thing. 10 in particular was incredibly hard and almost mean at times because he was so traumatized. I didn't like that side of 10, but when was he suppose to deal with it? When was he suppose to deal with the Time War and his actions as the War Doctor? As 9? He only existed for a few months before Rose and the Daleks killed him. 10 was a hardass who refused to deal with anything, and couldn't even handle the thought of his own regeneration. He completely freaked out. As 11, when his preordained death was constantly being tossed in his face by everyone he met? As 12? He was basically insane right from the get-go, and never really stabilized. As 13? It seemed like she was going in that direction, but her story ended up with even more death and destruction than the War Doctor's did. Even more trauma. 14 was the first one to settle down and work on himself for a while. To just... pause and deal with his trauma. So the whole thing makes sense, in theory. However, yes. Something "hits hard" because it's at least somewhat unexpected. There is a narrative expectation that a character will only lose emotional control when something serious is happening (even though that is not how things work in reality). When you show the character being hyper-emotional in 5 out of 7 preceding episodes, then in episode 8 give him a moment when literally anyone would lose emotional control... well... you've already wrecked it through overexposure. The audience is conditioned to expect that reaction from the character, so the expression of grief and loss doesn't hit home. This is writing 101. And those basic writing fundamentals have always been RTD's weakness. He's pretty good at "mystery box" writing (much better than JJ Abrams, for instance), but his failure to work on the low level writing fundamentals really comes back to bite him in the ass and causes him to deliver stories that aren't as hard hitting as they could have been.

The doctor, who has lost many friends and companions, seen entire civilizations and worlds saved and destroyed, and saw billions die in the time War, now cries for the slightest reason, multiple times per episode. It doesn't make any sense unless it turns out he really isn't the doctor, but another imposter.

But we know from The Giggle that 15 is purged of the guilt and the pain that the previous incarnations carried with them. So is he not also purged of any numbness or cynicism that goes alongside that? This incarnation cries because he's experiencing pain, guilt and loss for the first time - while at the same time realising that he can't be purged of it, that he's building up again what he thought he was free from.

@@WilliamsAndZinger My comment is not about why he cries a lot. It's about story telling. It would have been more impactful. More meaningful if we hadn't see him cry in 5 of 7 episodes.

Perhaps we'll learn something helpful about Mr Garnet next season.

I mean, I agree, but also, as @bcd7560 said, just because the mother is supposedly normal doesn't mean Ruby's father is.

Right?! It seemed like such lazy writing! Because it doesn't seem like we're going to get anything more in the christmas special! The only thing that will hopefully carry over is the mystery of mrs flood since we've seen her looking almost marry poppins like at the end

@@christinakohl6111 Ruby is in season 2 tbh so it will carry over soemthing.

@@Yattien89 well then there's at least some hope that it isn't quite the goodbye we've seen but sonething more to come!🤞

Oh! Another thing! In the Big Bang, we find out that all the Doctor's enemies have banded together to defeat him because the TARDIS would end the universe. At the time, it was because the TARDIS exploded. But with the god of death literally clinging to the TARDIS, it suddenly has a different possible explanation. Especially, since in this Post Sutekh universe, even the Daleks were erased.

@@shiaras4675 yet due to what happened at the end, the Daleks are alive again, not a huge fan of this doctor, I am hoping the next one is as nuts as Matt Smith's

@@10tailedbijuu If the undusting brings back the Daleks, it also brings back the Time Lords

Brilliant both metaphorically and literally. It would also explain why the doctor loses so many people despite his best intentions and efforts.

It wouldn't bring back time lords because they were already dead. It only brought back people killed by Sutekhs dust ​@@theweekinmetal

The amount of ups they gave this episode was honestly...baffling? Like, I get that's subjective, but still.

I guess we have to look at who pays Ellie for these episodes....

@@karenhenderson4546 Going up the ladder WhoCulture is owned by WhatCulture, Future Publishing, Future Plc, the shareholders of the New York Stock Exchange. Asking questions is a good thing, but there are a lot of wacky conspiracy theories out there today and it isn't good for us as a culture. The BBC isn't paying Ellie. That's not how real companies operate for a lot of reasons. I just think this is reflective of how WhoCulture or WhatCulture want to position themselves as a brand.

They rinsed Space Babies and Dot and Bubble... this one was way too positive though- hated the finale.

@@MS-ru5gp Giving 18 ups to 5 downs like they did for Space Babies or even 12 ups to 6 downs like they did for Dot and Bubble doesn't really count as rinsing. That's a positive review with some reservations.

They definitely should've ended Part 1 with the death dust. Part 2 should've started months later with the Doctor destitute and trying to figure out a solution.

@@MatadorMedia I can't help but wonder if they declined to do that because it would've felt even like 100x MORE like "Infinity War" than it already did

Also, UNIT should've been seen somewhat containing Sutekh's dust. Like the dust destroys organic matter but seems to be stopped by physical barriers, so there's at least some things UNIT could've done, and if they then resolved the issue not with a big reset button but in a more tangible way it could've given real weight to the episode. Also Sutekh clinging to the tardis is not only a complete misunderstanding by Russel of the ending of Pyramids Of Mars, it's also a pandora's box of continuity problems with tons of things that no longer make sense, like Captain Jack clinging to the Tardis, the bigenerated tardis and the Big Bang 2

Ordinary people are important, I agree.

That's also the point of this episode, every ordinary people are important

Exactly. So many complaints about Ruby just being Ruby and her mother just being a young scared unwed mother. Ordinary people are also important.

9 said something similar too in the fathers day episode. It's such a long running theme of who, I enjoyed that aspect. I only wish we'd spent more time having the doctor's interest in ruby's mother really ramp up across the season. 😊

That is one of my favorite lines in all of new Who. Maybe in anything.

Also, I definitely disagree with the revelation of Ruby’s mother being a regular person. There should be ZERO reason for her to be able to skip past people on the tape, for Ruby to have a “song placed in her” and for Ruby to be able to make it snow if Ruby’s mother doesn’t have SOMETHING special about her. None of that stuff about Ruby makes ANY sense if her mother isn’t…SOMEONE! It doesn’t even have to be a character we’ve met before. It could turn out to be a brand new character, who the doctor has to chase after. Leave the revelation that the father is normal and she finds her father, but have the Doctor have to go chase down this new character for answers even without Ruby because of how powerful they are. Also, the woman pointing at the sign “naming” Ruby. Why did she do that AFTER abandoning Ruby? More importantly, how is that her NAMING her AFTER she left Ruby on the doorstep of the church? Did she go back and be like, “oh, by the way, her name is Ruby?” Also, in the time window, she doesn’t just walk out of view, she straight up vanishes, with not even a distortion effect, she just straight up vanishes. I’m PRAYING that the doctor means it when he says he’ll see Ruby again so it can turn out that Ruby’s mother, like Mrs. Flood, is some sort of villain in waiting. Otherwise, nothing about Ruby’s “powers” make any form of sense. She can’t be a regular human if the song in her can fend off a god like being AND she can make it snow. So many plot holes just left open for us to drive through.

Okay, my bad, I wrote this second comment before finishing the video and hearing what Eli had to say about it. She brings up many of the same points. But no Eli, we never got an explanation for any of that, and that’s why it is unsatisfying.

@@KokuroSameLuckily RDT has confirmed that Millie Gibson is coming back and he's not finished with the family story. I gotta agree though on both points, I thought the same thing. Maybe THIS Doctor specifically doesn't kill, but The Doctor definitely has, quite a lot in the past. And a good ammount of the time he doesn't even seem particularly affected by it. Sure he never executes, or kills in cold blood, and he'll always try to find an alternative way. But killing out of necessity, which it was with Sutekh, he's done hundreds if times. The who Ruby's mother being a regular person thing could've worked if they hadn't added the supernatural stuff that Ruby can do. Like, no RTD, "we believed in her" does not explain why Ruby can freeze time and make snow appear out of nowhere

Let's not forget he made the pyroviles extinct and blew up pompeii

Pleeeease no more musicals.

I doubt it. Moffett is doing the Christmas special. Davies will keep Ms Flood for himself

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Headcanon accepted

If this doesn’t happen then I will eat my party popping paper pores

I think you should take over as head writer, because that makes more sense to me than this whole season.

I reallllllyyyy need this to be how they want it to go! Like have the Xmas special start with the doctor at unit watching ruby seeing that she is content and by the end of season 2 Ruby is the villain that the doctor must face

​@@doritofan1002ı don't think that's going to happpen cause that's lazy writing

Wow, that makes a lot scence 😮

This was an amazing theory, mainly because it tied up the 73 Yards episode. Honestly still don’t understand that episode guys 😅

I love who culture, but they’re too much pro doctor who to give a down for things that they should give a down too. Not neutral enough

​@@tmbsports3720I mean, If you parse out these numbers, it's basically a 7 out of 10. That's not exactly a high score. There is plenty of criticism in this video.

@@tmbsports3720 I feel the same. Whenever there's something "wrong" in the show they just see the good part in it. Not neutral at all

And did Captain Jack get frisky with Sutekh? 😄

@@mrwittyoneProbably.

“Not this guy again! Yeet him to the end of the universe.”

Yes. Sutekh groped Jack Harkness

My first thought when I saw this part of the episode 😂

That outfit at the end was very Romana I though.

@@UKProgRock I would be very, very surprised if she turned out to be Romana!

I’ve just had a thought about the Tales of the TARDIS episodes, what if each one is important for the current era, we know Pyramids was included for Sutekh, but what if the others have meaning too, The Time Meddler being about not changing the past (the Doctor couldn’t go back to Ruby Road because he would alter the past too much), The Mind Robber would be about the story of Ruby Sunday and the Doctor (or maybe Mrs Flood), The Three Doctors showing how the Doctor has worn many faces over the years, Earthshock is about the Doctor losing companions and having to still go on, Vengeance on Varos is another one about stories and politics and finally Curse of Fenric is about another God who the Doctor has had to defeat in the past. Maybe Mrs Flood ties into each of these stories in some way?

​​@@NicholasKaufmann Mrs flood didn't recognise the Tardis when it was on the sidewalk until it de materialised. Anyone who has ever met the doctor before will recognise the Tardis.

I don't think she's part of the pantheon (infact Davis has explicitly said she's not part of sutekh) but I think she I a god, like maestro she breaks the fourth wall which made me think that must be a thing gods do.

Oh I had the exact same thought. If RTD just revealed Doctors parentage it would effectively ruin the show and take away all mystery. But using ruby as a simulacrum for the Doctors situation so that the audience can infer that something similar happened to him and he is probably in a much better situation now is very sweet. I found that aspect to be satisfying.

I interpreted this the same way. Like almost sadness that he doesn’t know where he really came from but also maybe he could find out. I would like to find out because I love the mystery but I don’t like mysteries that don’t come to a resolution at some point. Doesn’t have to be now or next season, but sometime I want them to explore it.

@@bennettnez4711 "it would effectively ruin the show", kind of like the name of the doctor, or the timeless child. i think this season has convinced me that Doctor Who could survive that reveal too

​@@Happymama12it would just ruin the show. I viewed it as him realizing he is probably better off. There is a reason that George Lucas never wanted to reveal Yodas species, home planet, or back story and its because it makes him intriguing. They both get points for being enigmatic

@@MichaelP833 no. In the name of the Doctor, his name wasn't even kind of revealed. It only increased the mystery. Timeless child, you have more ground on, but they specifically built in the mystery of them being an orphan so... no neither of those are even remotely similar to explicitly stating the doctors parentage. At all.

It did feel a little that way! Part of me was thinking “wow are they going to start from scratch”. But hope! lol but u do love Mel and Kate so part of me is happy they are back!

That exactly how i felt. I was really sad for kate and everyone but after that i just thought the same as you

Exactly how it felt like on first watch. I thought this could be kate permanently gone and a few moments later wondering what the big reverse every death button was as soon as they showed the big death storm

Yeah the next time they "raise the stakes" the outcome will be even more obvious. Then, there will be "timelines", and no outcome will matter, ever. Marvel all over again.

@@squirreldriver I guess the only solution would be to reverse everything but at a heavy cost but if that cost is a fan favourite character you have trouble not pissing off everyone

You are absolutely correct. From the anachronistic cloak, the specific callouts to something being odd about Ruby in the Devil’s chord, the snow, the entire episode about discovering who her mother is, the ambulance not telling who the mother was. Every point in this season built up that there was something peculiar about Ruby and her mother. That was not the fan’s speculating wildly.

This reminded me of the third Star Wars trilogy with Rey. With Kylo being Solo's son, the fandom latched on to the parentage of Rey, only to have the second movie say in the second movie that her parents were not important, That whole movie was a slap-down basically saying that the fans were reading too much into small details. Back to Doctor Who. I think I can be okay that the mother specifically does not need to be something larger than life, and do actually like that the two are reconnected in a positive way. That being said, Ruby is definitely special in a way that has been hammered home to the fan base, with the goodbye scene and Mrs Flood's apparent happy ending declaration for Ruby's extended family, the reason why Ruby is special being a very big loose end doesn't sit well with me. Then again, I am still annoyed that the watermelon was not explained in Buckaroo Banzai.

But he never said that the IDENTITY of Ruby's mother is important, he said the the MYSTERY of who Ruby's mother is is important, and it was. So much happened because Ruby and the Doctor and Sutekh wanted to solve the mystery, NOT because the mother was powerful. The snow and the song were never because Ruby or her mother were powerful. Its not like Ruby spend her whole life making it snow and hearing Carol of the Bells every time she thought about where she came from. It only started happening AFTER the Goblins went back to abduct her and the Doctor followed, landing himself, his time machine and a very nosy ancient God, and STILL didn't see who she was

@@DarkSmurf67Fun fact: RTD specifically cited The Last Jedi and its resolution of the mystery of Rey’s parentage as inspiration for the plot point of Ruby’s mother and father being exquisitely normal people!! I would argue that he executed that idea much better than TLJ did (a movie I otherwise still enjoy) simply because Doctor Who’s overarching dramatic themes & identity aren’t so tightly bound to one particular character’s family the way that Star Wars’s dramatic themes & identity up to that point was to the Skywalker family and their intergenerational struggles, so Ruby’s parents being some perfectly normal folks wasn’t as big of a narrative whiplash as Rey’s parents *seemingly* being a couple of deadbeat boozebags not named Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade/Mr. and Mrs. Kenobi-Kryze/Jar-Jar’s bastard son and Max Rebo’s niece/blah blah blah?

The entire season was made before the audience saw a single scene with Ruby. Nothing in this finale was Davies poking at the audience. I took it as dig at Rise of Skywalker.

She wanted to add to the dramatic effect obviously!

That was the only thing about the finale i just did not like, it felt pointless and didnt answer anything.

@@WhoCulturelol still confusing how the hospital figured out that she pointed there

Well, I think it was a good episode, not perfect but good. I agree with her mum pointing, why? Overall, it's a good episode. I don't think the story is over by far. We just have to wait! It's not helping that we have so few episodes and some things are rushed.

@@WhoCultureweak response.

unless he rushed his return and wasn't as powerful as he claimed to be. i also find it hard to believe the TARDIS herself didn't try to get a few licks in. all these gods were very arrogant and deceptive, it makes sense to me Sutekh was weakened.

They would never kill Rose. Kate, maybe, eventually, but not like that. And not if they're pitching a UNIT series.

@@KnightRaymund I wasn't limiting it to those two. All I was saying, was that the stakes would've felt higher if only one or two major characters died instead of everyone, and just gave some examples.

He was protected by the TARDIS's forcefield. Remember when The Cyber King was deposited into the Time Vortex to be disintegrated. Same premise so this is nothing new. Don't forget all the times the TARDIS has been attacked, blown up and more damages inside the box that should've caused Sutekh harm.

What about when jack did it in utopia, he died

@@Cubicsphinx801 Yeah travelling in the time vortex killed him. And while he should've been a little bit burnt. A Torchwood style burnt revival isn't really Doctor Who's style.

I said this in another comment section somewhere but I will literally stop watching if they bring Clara back. I hated her and she needs to stay gone. That being said Clara would have NEVER refused cherry a cup of tea when she knew they were going to die lol she’s far too sensitive for that.

I feel like that line is definitely meant to be a tease for the Doctor to hear about later on, Cherry might just casually mention that Mrs Flood thinks he is a ‘clever boy’ and that will be an ‘Oh shit’ moment for him to realise that she somehow knows some aspect of his past.

@@Happymama12 no but, timelords regenerate by taking other peoples faces sometimes. so her taking in an older Clara face... that might be interesting?

@@Just_Flipy I mean…what would be the point in that though? And taking on clara’s older face wouldn’t make her say “clever boy”. She doesn’t also take on Clara’s memories and mannerisms. I do think it’s possible it’s another time lord though. I know some people think it’s the master but I really don’t want it to be. I’m kinda sick of the master.

That was defo rtd messing with us

Especially when there is no-one else around to see what she is pointing at.

That's what bothers me. She said she's a nurse for the NHS -- there SHOULD be blood samples out there, even in modern times!

Apparently her DNA was supposed to not EVER have been taken until compulsory testing in 2046, BUT, as Nicole says, she’s a nurse! I guess the TV show doesn’t have the reach they think they do.?

Just because someone has given a blood sample for medical reasons that doesn't mean that their DNA has been analysed and is available to search. Tv shows like long lost family rely on people having taken a test through family history websites. One misdirection was the implication that they had absolutely no DNA matches to her. Even if your DNA test doesn't bring up matches to close family, because none have tested, it will still show hundreds of matches to 2nd, 3rd, 4th cousins. Over time, with detective work and with further selective testing, this can lead to tracing actual close relatives.

Yeah I did as well

This should have happened. It would have fixed EVERYTHING. ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING

Same here. Like a slightly panicked or excited "Gallifrey..."

same. i was saying it in my head, also waited for him to say skarro

Was hoping he'd say Raxicoricofallipatorius

Or maybe it was just snowing……. ?

@@judithstrachan9399it wasn’t though, you can see nowhere else had snow. It’s CLEARLY a foreshadowing tactic by RTD, surely you can see that?

Oooooh the god of stories! I like that idea!

I love this idea!

People keep pointing that out as a joke, but it honestly wouldn't be surprising at all. Then he can have a way to bring Tennant back for the millionth time and have Sutekh back too

Or did he have to pick which Tardis to go with? That's the bit that makes me laugh, Sutekh on one Tardis staring at the other and thinking "Ok, what do I do now?"

Sutekh would have had to switch the TARDIS he was attached to because 15's is the new one. 14 has the original.

Look Sutech has been sitting on top of the tardis for ages. That light fixture stuck up your arse is going to make anyone grumpy and want to end the world.

@@cynicalcloud3453 the pantheon so far have been a fan of musicals, so sutekh picked the one with a jukebox

It's NuWho 😂

An intelligent rope.

It's RTD, it was always going to be Dues Ex Machina

I agree it was lame.

Dog with massive claws couldn't slash a rope.

I thought the same - praying this brings back galifrey for S2

All he needed was a nice walk around the block, easy!

​@@WhoCultureclearly his glands needed emptying esp waiting all this time 😂

@@WhoCulturehe was just a bit hangry

@@WhoCulture Does the God of Death poop?

Defeating the god of death by walkies is pathetic tbh

Same. Not having the answers is a puzzle. It feels like "turn left" or the path not yet taken. However "Mad Jack" was still remembered by the Doctor. Seems like it is inevitable no matter what. But Ruby experienced that, not the Doctor according to what we saw in 73 Yards. So it feels like something is off.. If that still happens. Did Ruby's involvement not matter in that timeline? 🤔 Usually it is a characters choice that changes the outcome, and it shifts in a different direction Or maybe Ruby is something more. And the Doctor experienced her journey through her eyes (like Quantum Leap,)

Also they seemed to be suggesting a connection between the 73 yards and the distance the Tardis perception filter reaches out to (66.7 metres) - however for that episode the Tardis was sitting on a cliff top nowhere near Ruby for most of the episode.

If you walked up to a stranger who was following someone and talked to them and they said something like "you have to abandon her or the world will end", what would you do? I know it's just a theory as to something she might have said, but, it's a theory that makes it the only reason, with a supernatural element, that would make even Carla abandon her. A YOU HAVE TO abandon her or the whole world, including Ruby, will end.

@@kadosho02 My take was something about the blurry, unchanging, out of her time woman was so deeply unsettling and wrong on a fundamental level that anyone who got close enough to talk to it never ever ever wanted anything to do with anything to do with it every again. That's why none of them would say what the woman said or why they hated her now, because what they were seeing/hearing was so wrong in a way they couldn't explain, they just had to get away and stay away from anything associated with it. That would also explain why UNIT just cut Ruby off instead of like arresting/assassinating her, they wanted nothing to do with any of it. And why PM mad Jack ran away from government completely, not just turing on Ruby as an individual. Unlike the others, he didn't know the apparition was associated with Ruby, so instead he associated the "feeling" with the stage and the speech and being PM. All the woman was saying was "don't step". As for the Mad Jack thing, he was always going to be the PM in 2046, he didn't actually have anything to do with the fairy circle, the people in Wales were just bullying her. in the 73 yards timeline, Ruby stopped him like the day after the election, so none of the awful shit he was going to do ever happened. In the REAL timeline, he did the awful shit and the Doctor (some time in his past) was involved in over throwing him and ending his reign

I really enjoyed 73 yards, but without a call back, something seems lost. I just hope there is a call back, bad wolf.

because Sutekh can't kill Ruby unless they know her family tree. Not knowing Ruby's mum made no sense though- there would be millions of people around the universe who didn't know their parents just like Ruby.

It should be her acting reel for all future projects and auditions! She showed so much range ❤

The only problem was that is that it didnt say much. Nothing happened when she had her big, brave moment. It all felt a bit pointless in the end

@@PrincessAshley972 Agreed, i dont know why people hold that episode so high up

​@@PrincessAshley972and we still don't know why everyone fled in terror. And yeah even after saving the world on her own nothing really hapened to show that that was what she needed to do

@@brunoadame4667 yes but remember, that didn’t happen. So it wasn’t. She didn’t have one until empire of death.

I wish it was more explained as some sort of time manipulation through memory as a way to warn them about the Tardis... cause the pointing is so stupid, why would she be pointing at the sign when she'd clearly see the Doctor in the Tardis staring back at her.

Agreed. That and the snow, and the carol of the bells - too many unanswered questions.

@@Elfdaughter without a doubt, and the answer being something to do with the universe, is dumb, no matter how good it feels, it is dumb.

I would actually have preferred that to remain a mystery -- and to have a strong suggestion that, in actual fact, Ruby's mother never pointed at the sign at all. It didn't happen. Meaning that someone interefered with the memory -- and it was that someone who was responsible for the snow and the carol. And leave that thread dangling for the next season

​@@Elfdaughter Maybe thats the point. The answer about the mother comes from Unit and the Doctor. Everybody know the doctor lies. Maybe its a Fake Mother. An unit againt to contain Ruby on earth, not knowing what She really is. Look at the episode of 62 yards. We learned this is the range of the perception filter. And the eldery woman forced everyone to really look at her without that filter. 😮 So Ruby is something special. And Unit create that ruse to contain Ruby on Earth and fives her a reason to stop travelling with the doctor.

Ouch.

Immediately where my mind went too 😂😂 I was like rose and the 10th doc was the LEAST of sutekh’s problems

Can never unread this comment

Oh sweetie!😜

🤣

Yeah, I thought about this as well. The TARDIS has been destroyed like a Bagillion times since that episode. Lol

Poor writing.

You only inherit half your DNA from your mother. If the DNA search turned up someone else with exactly the same DNA as yourself that would suggest you might have a long lost twin but if the sample was identified as from yourself then it would be ignored ie a DNA test would never work out that you were your own mother even if you were (and if you were then you would probably need to be your own father as well as in Robert Heinlein's " '-All You Zombies-' " - filmed as "Predestination" in 2014.)

i have 2 theories on this. theory 1 is when 15 duplicated the tardis, suetekh jumped onto the tardis what would be used more so his plans would not slow down and he left 14 alone, theory 2 is that suetekh was duplicated with the tardis when 15 use the toymaker hammer thingy which leaves suetekh open to be reused in the future if a show runner ever wanted to, what do you think about my theories?

@@PlanetProductionsOfficial I also had the theory that Sutekh got duplicated when the tardis did. Very easy to bring him back, that way.

@@PlanetProductionsOfficial I like the idea of Sutekh being duplicated for canon purposes, but it's still a bit shakey. I think he's been shown to be too big of a big bad to be repeatedly used

Then gets dusted by a God, so ..

I’m curious about that speech as well. Would the domination aspect of The White Guardian, vs. the freedom aspect of The Black Guardian, say things like that?

​@@IllumeEltaninI had that exact thought. 5 even said himself that the white gaurdian was the lesser of two evils and only focused on the rule of law not the spirit. Didn't actually care for justice

maybe she's going to Heaven to bring someone back that the Doctor needs?

If you can kick down the Gates of heaven then God is not God.

Ncuti, the man can't act his way out of a paper bag.

@@crewgadjyTotally agree, his acting is appalling.

@@crewgadjy Your blaming the actor for the writing.

@@tanepukenga1421 no i'm blaming the actor for not being a very good actor. Though obviously the writing is atrocious as well.

And the Space Babies Flamethrowers.

Salt gimmick as never the reason as the noises started happening before the Salt bit happened 😊

@@jdgjagerbomber9430 You're right. The whole thing is a mess.

Agreed. I really liked all the older women in this season. I was gritting my teeth in the first episode or two waiting for them to make Ruby fall in love with the Doctor. She is literally an (older) teenager in the story. I'm so glad they kept saying they were best friends even if we didn't get to see them interact as much as we would have liked.

Yeah, I like that RTD is fixing the rampant ageism of his first run. I was in my 30s back then and it seemed that any woman over 30 was often the butt of a joke (especially their sexuality). Now that I'm 51, it's good to see strong characters on my screen that are older and being treated well in the narrative.

I do feel like the doctor relies on being the victim a lot! It’s like he is blinded by his/her own ego at times!

@@JuiceMyRandomness I don’t think the Doctor has an ego since he’s helping people and saving lives. I could be wrong though.

lol thats awsome, adding that to theorys that i belief in haha

All three of them sitting there during the big red button scene just chilling in the barn.