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I think the biggest handicap to this season has been that there are only 8 episodes.

My only real issue is that there wasn't ever any real explanation for the snow and the music that followed Ruby wherever she went.

First there was a Pond, then there was a River, now we've got a Flood.

They really need to add about 10-15 minutes of run time. All these stories would feel so much more complete if they just had a little more time in each episode.

They should have let Sutekh find out who Ruby’s mom is , then he could say, “What?! That’s it? That’s why I haven’t killed you yet?” And Ruby says, “Yep,” before leashing the dog. Lol

The Ruby's mom reveal was a big letdown for me, primarily because of the snow thing. Now, if there's a separate -- significant -- reason for the "snow thing," then I'm all in. But the significance of that is major. It's gotta be the elephant in the room that was left hanging.

I never thought that “the one who waits” was the same as “the boss.” So I’m assuming that the Meep’s Boss is different from Sutekh, and possibly who Rogue was referring to as needing more paperwork.

i loved Cherri Sunday's response when Louis said she didn't come for Ruby because she thought they would hate her....Cherri said, "There is no hate in this house.".....i wish more homes i this world had that as the #1 Rule

23:35 That cliffhanger would be maybe a bit too similar to Infinity War, but I tend to agree. Also that scene with the woman and the spoon would've hit SO hard if it was the start of Empire of Death.

I can't imagine Sutek caring about paperwork like the Rogue was talking about and I can't imagine the Meep following the Sutek for some reason.

"73 Yards" still popping up feels like "Bad Wolf" to me.

Main reason for a number of unanswered questions is simply 8 episodes instead of 13.

I feel like Sutek sitting on the Tardis the whole time was more "The Dotor is powerless without his machine, if I show I have claimed it I have won"

Sutekh must have been beyond the detection of the TARDIS because, In the Doctor's Wife, the TARDIS probably would have told the Doctor surely.

was mrs flood's coat made out of meeps

Honestly, I think the all the problems of this season simply stem from the fact that there are only 8 episodes, it’s simply not enough time to create compelling stories with compelling endings. Despite all the shortcomings, this is best doctor who in many years

The official Doctor Who Instagram posted a collage and said "The Pantheon is growing." So, I don't think we're done with the gods and goddesses.

I don't like the idea of Kate and Colonel Ibrahim because Kate is his commanding officer. An affair between a boss/commander and a subordinate is never a good idea

I think they will reveal the trickster actually be Ruby's mother shooting lightning from its finger while wearing its signature black cloak after seemingly coming back from the dead.. oh, that's just reys story again. Maybe people will like it more this time

The difference between “ooooh BAD WOLF IS A ….WAS A THING OMG” and “ruby’s mum ruby’s mum ruby’s mum…oh”

Omg you’re SO RIGHT that the woman with the spoon should’ve been the 2nd episode cold open. I’m now lowkey upset that’s not what happened.

Not everybody lives. Rest in dust, Harriet Arbinger.😔

I'm disappointed and flabbergasted that they had a big song and dance number, they had Jonathan Groff, and they had Bonnie Langford, but the three were kept apart.

I think this episode sums up exactly how I feel about every episode and that's simply that although they have been good and enjoyable they just don't quite seem to have stuck the landing, I also think that despite ncuti being great in the role I feel one he has personally been missing is that one seen where it shows just how powerful or terrifying the Dr can be, I'm thinking Matt Smith calling the aliens back to scare the hell out of them or David Tennant telling the vashtan narada there in the biggest library in the universe and to look him up

I don’t understand why time changed? Sure, I can accept the explanation that Ruby’s mum was pointing at the sign…. But why did the doctors memory change? She wasn’t originally pointing, his memory changed when it snowed in Space Babies, makes no sense.

I am so tired of the haters who think you’re a shill if you like anything at all about the new season. Settle down, people, there’s enough to enjoy in 60+ years of Who for all of us.

A successful finale should wrap up the main story in a satisfying way while leaving loose ends so we're excited to come back. I've been travelling with The Doctor all my lives and I've never felt so misled that I was still cross about it four days later. This finale landed like a bag of mud. I'll definitely be back for Christmas but right now, I don't care who her Dad is... A butcher probably... Mrs. Flood... Constantly staring at the camera saying, "Guess who I am!!!"... It's not satisfying in any way. ALSO!!! In the Doctor's Wife... As a thought, "Before I go... I just wanted to say... Sutekh is on the roof, you should probably look into that." I'm Irked. Well, and truly... Irked.

okay, one final comment from me, about the woman with the spoon. I think the sheer simplicity and deep humanity of the woman giving the spoon was another version of the 'ordinariness' of Ruby's mum. Ordinary people are precious and magnificent -- and are actually so important they may in fact save the universe

Thank you for the thoughtful discussions, great presentation, and responsive upload times! You’ve made watching this season of Who very involving rather than just reading surface level speculation on the subreddits. I’ve enjoyed exploring your other Who content and I look forward to your next up/down! :)

I probably have never disagreed more with Ellie on this entire season of Who… and I absolutely love that fact! Contrary to most folks on the internet I don’t look for critiques or personalities on the internet to parrot my opinion back to me. Some of my favorite moments of Who & Trek Culture are when I go into a video with a completely different perspective and take than I. Often if hearing a different opinion doesn’t change my own view in an intelligent way I at least appreciate seeing things in a way I never would have.

We should have a Sonic up and Cloister-bell down like Sean's special up/down from Trek :D

Having had some time to reflect on it, there are some things I liked about the episode, but it was also very much a let-down in ways. I think it was a mistake to make Ruby's mother an ordinary human after all the build-up. Overall, I'd have liked to have had more episodes, to build up the relationships and develop the characters more.

I think that with the clues laid out to us the best solution and reveal would have been for Ruby to be the daughter of Susan Triad - hear me out as I explain below: -firstly with the DNA screen it would have displayed several names, years, Ruby would have been confused - ultimately leading to her “I don’t understand” line. These names would be any and all Susan Twist characters on file as they share the same DNA being clone like acolytes of Sutekh. -When showing Sutekh the screen Ruby would explain to him - the god of death brought the gift of life. -The Doctor can then explain that every time he landed on earth it brought more truth, more LIFE to Susan Triad - so much so she birthed a child - but she gave the child away as something in her (subconsciously being an acolyte of death) made her give the child up. (this would also explain why she pointed when the Doctor turned up - she was pointing at Sutekh) -Ruby standing with Sutekh could be the better explanation of how life is brought back - the power of a god flows through Ruby as she is the result of his powers - she can reverse the sands of death in some form of struggle with Sutekh - perhaps even involve the Ruby on Sutekhs headpiece - hell maybe even link that to why Susan Triad decided to drop her at a road called RUBY road? -The Doctor and Ruby leashing up Sutekh can then play out as per the episode with the added connotation that they are spreading Rubies power of life via Sutekh in the vortex. -Fun and happy reunion when Ruby and Susan Triad hug - Susan will remember having a child but the memory has only just come back to her. The story comes full circle - Ruby is still an ordinary human at the end - The snow can be explained as a side effect of being a creation from the gods - why snow? Death is cold, death is ice - Ruby made it snow because it made those magical elements of death come to LIFE. There is a nice parallel to the start of the two-parter thinking Susan Triad was the doctors grandaughter and actually she isn’t the doctors family - she’s Rubys family. I dunno - my head canon just thinks this to be a far superior resolution.

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It's the unrealness of the ending with Ruby's birth-mum that makes me think it might all be an illusion of some kind - a fairy tale ending - and that the real (less happy) truth is yet to come.

With Empire of Death being an underwhelming experience full of very obvious discrepancies (such as the sign pointing), and the season as a whole dealing extensively with memory/ perceptions manipulating reality or otherwise not being what they seem, I'm beginning to wonder if most of what we saw didn't really happen (at least in the way we think it happened). I wonder if RTD is treating the guaranteed 2 seasons as a part 1 and part 2 of one larger season without actually calling it that (since viewers reacted negatively when that was done a few years ago). Because it feels really odd for Ruby to say her tearful goodbyes and the Doctor to wordlessly leave, only for them to bring Millie Gibson back next season to presumably wrap up Ruby's search for her "totally normal" parents.

I find it interesting that the #1 spot in both of your rankings are both episodes that weren't written by RTD. With the exception of Dot and Bubble in Sean's ranking, the RTD episodes were all ranked below the non-RTD episodes.

My issue with this ep, it doesn’t feel like a season finale. 1. Because the season was very short, thus nothing had time to be hinted at, a slow burn, a tease because 3 weeks later it’s ‘resolved’. We didn’t get much time with Ruby and her family, the doctor said he changed how he spoke about family but we never saw that. We never got an ATMOS episode, we never got a Lazarus ep. We didn’t connect with the family because the Doctor didn’t. We didn’t get a reaction to Ruby loosing her friends they were shown in the Xmas special and referenced she was in a band, but that’s was it. Picture Martha not calling her brother when the master kidnapped her family like they just forgot he existed. 2. I hate that Russel tried to do this ‘smart’ ‘intelligent’ Moffat-like thing of hinting and laying things down about Ruby, which is what led us to think she was special or her mum was special, only to do the opposite for a ‘gotcha’ moment. We wouldn’t have come up with theories or speculated if he hadn’t written her that way. We as fans didn’t just pull it out of our arses. Many of us wanted a normal companion for once given how every series he had done, and Moffat as well was a ‘most special person in the universe’ companion. Bill and Yaz (the fam) are the only normal ones we have had, so we were right to assume she would be ‘not normal’ along with the things he himself wrote. Edit 28:54 hearing you say this, makes me rather sad, but I agree. I no longer want to speculate which is part of the fun. When I was younger up until 16/17 I was deep in fandom discussions on Goat, Doctor who, Star Wars, one by one I was deviated by how they have all turned out and the quality falling off. I was once again excited by Doctor who after flux, then the specials and this series. Sadly with this ending I have began to doubt and fallen back to that lack of enthusiasm. If Russel wanted his piss take gotcha moment at the fans, doing a twist, double bluff mystery fake out, all is ask is why? At what cost? Now many of us won’t want to speculate or engage with characters like Mrs Flood, look at clues or Easter eggs, because we have had it thrown in our faces.

Sutekh was wasted.

Kate is Col. Sexy's boss. They're gonna have to have some discussions with HR.

Mrs Flood is definitely chaotic neutral

I agree with Ellie’s idea about ending with the scream. Then come back with one more episode and stretch things out a bit. Give Mel more to do before she gets taken over.

I hate people saying ruby found her mother, her mother is the woman who raised her

She called the doctor "That clever boy" and we know who called him like that before....

Thanks for the great content this series has really helped me get fully back involved and loving doctor who again. Cant wait for the next season and all you content alongside it. Cheers.

I like the way you two review each episode. You're thorough, methodical, and unbiased. I would count that as an UP.

I wonder will they address the toy maker's tooth being taken..

There is too much of the Doctor defeating these villains so easily is the last two minutes. It took a whole other episode to defeat the Silence. Martha needed a whole year to defeat the Master. They put a leash on this guy and that was it, too easy of a defeat

Ncuti Gatwa's Fifteenth Doctor uses an ingenious solution to reverse the damage done, potentially restoring Gallifrey and its people in the process🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗

Perhaps Steven Moffatt should write more episodes in the future beyond Christmas. I didn’t think I'd enjoy Boom as much as i did and Rogue was great too. I definitely felt an anti climax at the end and agree that the destruction and doctor screaming should have been in the legend of Ruby Sunday and Empire of death could have started off with the Kind Woman

You know what the death to death scene reminds me of...When Bad Wolf happened and Rose brought back Captain Jack...you don't think the Doctor just did that to everyone in the universe do you? I don't myself, but its a thought at least.

I have a theory… a wild theory… here goes… apologies for the length: Louise Alison Miller is not Ruby’s mum… there I said it… Mrs Flood, the story teller gave her a happy ending, but it’s a lie. And we’ll learn this next season. Everyone’s been like… if she’s a nurse how did Davina not find her, if she’s a regular person how could they not know? Maybe because she wasn’t a thing until Mrs Flood brought her into being via story. Even the text messages Ruby was receiving in the TARDIS about her dad, while saying she’ll just be a minute, seemed too perfectly timed to push her to leave the Doctor. The snow can’t just be a weird manifestation without explanation. “Doctor Who” has always asked for a little suspension of disbelief, but it hasn’t really ever said “well that’s all you get and we don’t care if it doesn’t make sense”… so I think this is another RTD misdirection with a (hopefully) satisfying explanation coming soon. Even the blurb by the Doctor at unit, his suggesting the figure was pointing at the road sign, then us seeing the recorded footage show the sign appearing out of nothing, while we all know it wasn’t there before… goes back to the Doctor telling us in the Time Window that his memory of the moment keeps changing… and these changes were reflected in the recording. We know, because he said, that memory is the most powerful thing… so him having a (false) memory of a sign made it so. But of course this wasn’t Ruby’s mum “naming her” because other than the Doctors’ new recollection of this moment, no one else was there to see this… even when poor Chidozie was in the time window he didn’t see a sign post at which she may have been pointing, he was talking about her pointing up the street. And finally, I’m partly feeling all this because of Mrs Flood’s declaration “I had such plans” as she and Cherry fade to dust, followed by “that clever boy” as she and Cherry return. I feel this gives credence to the notion Mrs Flood is a god/god-like entity who knows of the others (her speech to Cherry as the dust of death comes for them) but was also doing her own thing only to be stymied by the god of gods Sutekh destroying everything (including her) before she could finish her own plans. But now she’s back from dust and Sutekh is dead, she’s the big enemy of the next season for sure. But in short… RTD is not going to leave this many holes in the plot… he’ll plug them all… in time. -------- Meanwhile, that final scene with Ruby and family standing in the hall… Cherry can clearly get up and around… she could make her own damn tea! 🤣

hey ellie and sean... ellie, you are the river song of whoculture... sean, your trek videos kept me going while i was bedridden these past 2 months.. thank you both... peace.. rocky

Gotta say, Ellie, I really like your 50's type hair style but I love that qwiff before you tucked it behind your ear.

Nice beard glad you grew it back Sean

The tease of Sarah Jane’s Trickster had better mean he’s making the jump and he should bring Odd Bob and the Nightmare Man with him 😆

3:27 - turns out it made the edit after all 😅

I was named after a road, too. Ruby and The Doctor danced on it.

Didn't Mrs Flood say something on the lines of she's going to invade Heaven? I think she's definitely going to be evil. And oddly enough with the theories going around, is something the Beast pretty much said lol.

Over fifty years after my birth, and adoption, I met my birth father and managed to connect with some of my siblings. (Alas my birth-mother had passed away.) With my father it was an instant connection, and one of my brothers I have regular communications. Alas some of my siblings are "unsure" about a sudden relative, and I respect that. But immediate bonding does, and did, for me, happen! As always, thank you so very much all, for the videos. Next season I'd like to see an episode with Susan (Carole Ann Ford) and Richard E. Grants Doctor. And more answers!

i'd have preferred sutekh to be more like as in pyramids of mars, this new 'dog' one is too much like another egyptian god, Anuibis

For me, one of the biggest issues was the short season. I think 8 episodes for such a massive villain was too short. If I were doing the finale, I would've made it a three part episode. Keep the first episode the way it was and make the second a kind of Mad Max style journey through the dying Universe with The Doctor and Ruby and Mel visiting all these different planets as they get dusted and really build up that hopelessness until the end with The Doctor deciding he's going to stop running and face Sutekh. And then have the 3rd part be him coming up with the plan to stop Sutekh and then dealing with Ruby's mother. I just think with such a small season we didn't get enough of a chance to build that bond with Ruby and The Doctor which gave me Dan Lewis flashbacks to The Flux and Power of The Doctor where we didn't get enough time with him either. Overall Series 14 was better then the Chibnal era but not as good as the OG Russel era or the Moffat era.

21:43 I did see how so many people hated the whole hug with Kate and hand holding. What I really think is that it has nothing to do with them being in a relationship or into each other. I took it as character development of Kate. Before the 60th Kate was straight forward, a soldier, but during the 60th and after we saw her lighten up. With everything she, UNIT, and The Doctor had been through over the years, she’s learned how to have a heart.For example, I don’t think THIS Kate would be so quick to push the button to kill all the Zygons. I believe learning from the Doctor has made her softer and we see this with how she interacts with everyone. She doesn’t mind giving a hug, telling her interest, building a relationship. I would argue that this was true for her father as well. Being The Doctor’s friend, learning from him, and watching him made the Brigadier less cold. I can’t remember what episode it was from a Pertwee episode, but they finished by dancing around and he wasn’t about it, but asked is subordinate for a drink instead. The doctor changes people and they are great examples. Or I am just overthinking it 😅

Mrs Floods coat reminds me Of Rivers in the husbands of River Song. Hopefully Alex is back. Fingers Cross Ellie

The Theory of Mrs Flood being the Rani holds well because not only the "Hiding myself away" line, indicating shes a Time Lord after the doctor says it in releation to regeneration, but dressing as companions, as the Rani once did, dressing as and pretending to be Mel after the 6th Doctor regenerates into the 7th.

For weird weather. It can be raining out the back and sunny out the front of the house for me. And it's happened more than once. I must be on some sort of line.

When Sean said he felt like more time should have passed before Louise was in the apartment... directly after that was the scene of Mrs Flood on the roof wearing that coat, that made me assume that months had passed cuz why would she be wearing that if it were still the middle of summer? Just cuz there wasn't snow on the ground doesn't mean it couldn't have been cold (obviously lol). Plus that makes more sense if the fact that Ruby and Louise have already made plans to try to meet her father...

One question i have: the doctor needed that spoon so hard but didnt he have any kind of metal in the tardis???

The thing about the snow buggs me the most. But the ending tells us that this had to do with Ms.Flood snd will be claryfied in the X-Mas special (white furry coat, snow...)

We needed a middle episode with the doctor dealing with the devastation. Didn't help that it felt that it was over all to quickly

I like how no one has really been talking about the potential for the doctor reviving all the worlds and stuff has potential for reviving way more then intended and the potential of past dead villains returning

I actually thought the Spoon Woman's child was going to turn out to be Timeless (and therefore the Doctor).

@23:25 - YES, THAT would have been far better. Not even close now that you have planted that idea in my head.

🌪️ hello Sean hello Ellie. I’m from the United States. I am an old Doctor Who fan from the Tom Baker era. And I had to say that you guys are completely fair to the reviews you do I mean you guys are not completely saying it’s all ops no downs, but you are right you’re down are heavy, heavy down. Anyway, you guys do present your views very clear and concise, and when you fight things that should have been better clear it so I totally love what you guys are doing. Keep up the good work and will see you for Christmas and the new season.

Just so you know.. sometimes adopted reunions are pretty simple like that. I have a cousin who was adopted out because my aunt was 16 when she was born. She can back into our lives 30 years later. Huge family bbq introducing her, her husband and kids to everyone. She eventually moved into the same city as our side of the family and it’s almost like she was never gone. Totally drafted in. She still loved her adopted family. But her family grew when she found her mom.

I have the feeling that this wasn't the full ending since RTD said himself that Ruby's story isn't complete yet. Especially since there are still some loose ends

For me, it was ok, but it would have been better if it was written that Sutekh had latched onto the Tardis when 14 sprinkled his salt. The way its currently written, theres too many plotholes to ignore

Ok, I know it would never happen because she's a Big Finish companion, but the fact that the mom's name, Louise Miller, is so close to Lucie Miller just kills me inside. It's like RTD is teasing me.

Why is this so hard for people to accept? By the Doctor's own admission, the forces around Ruby and the mystery of her mom made the situation. The moment the he, the TARDIS with Sutekh on its back set things into play by the adventure with the Goblins that moment on Ruby Road became altered with all the forces - perception filter, 73 yards, baby and all. He causes damage to the continuum wherever he goes - we saw that represented in his tomb in Name of the Doctor. He created his own puzzle and paradox. The mother and baby on the other planet? Well, compare Indira Varma and Varada Sethu. We just may have glimpsed the new companion as a baby in her mother's arms. It's a show that has had conflicting stuff happening for 60 years. If you have issues with how it is being run today, I have only three words: John Nathan Turner.

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Do we think Mrs flood is next gonna dress up as a police officer and be a kissogram like amy pond giving a message to the doctor?

If everyone disintegrated at the end of the first episode, the VERY first thing everyone would say is that this was a Disney ending because it would mirror Infinity War.

Is Sutekh a copy of the original Sutekh which I assume would have been attached to David Tennant's Tardis? Did he replicate when the Tardis replicated?

I found this finale very unsatisfying with very disappointing pay-offs. It also didn't tie in well with the rest of the season. The whole reunion of Ruby with her birth family was a very Brady Bunch ending. Also, I'm unconvinced that Ruby's mother would have such long manicured nails as a working nurse...

Hi! Just an idea. I'm watching dr who classic. What would you say to make some videos about older episodes? :)

Rose, Jackie and metacrysis 10 are still dusted, Sutekh put a Susan on that world when the TARDIS landed there, but since they couldn't go back to that dimension, that world couldn't have been un-dusted when they took Sutekh on a walk though the time vortex

The Ruby reveal doesn't explain all the strange things about Ruby such as the snow and her apparently having a perception filter.

How about ups and downs for the entire season on season plot? Ya'll may have done it already, but if not :)

Who wants to bet that the next harbinger 's name is Helena Arbinger?

Technically, Mrs Flood said “He waits no more”, not necessarily that Sutek is “The One Who Waits” eh, probably overthinking, but a possibility.

(Another separate take) I think, while the disintegrate even would have been better as a cliffhanger, what we got still had me at the edge of my seat. Due to all the back and forth between will everyone live or not since classic who and 2005, I really can't guess much anymore. I, personally also dont theorize mid episode. I just let the story drive until I hit the end title sequence.

The problem is the show can't really respond to any reaction to Series 14 with Series 15 already completed. So either the issues will continue or they will be addressed anyway. I kind of hope that by this time next year people will be making retrospective views and going oh that's why all that happened.

Thanks for a thoughtful, balanced discussion. It's all that we ask for, and to be honest, it's what we deserve. I've never found a problem with Ellie's "Ups and downs" - she tends to give "Ups" and "Downs" that are deserved, and they tend to have the same level of weight to them, when you follow the discussion that goes with them. The problem comes when every slightly positive item gets an "Up" spammed at the counter, but only major "Downs" get added to the counter. Maybe, if you recognise that the weighting of the "Ups" given is unbalanced, as you seem to suggest that you recognise, then the answer is to group a handful of the extremely minor items together, in the discussion, and then add only one point to the counter, for that group (or you just mention the positive items, but don't increase the counter, like happens with the minor negative items). And NEVER do what has been done, and I'm almost quoting here... "Jonathan Frakes - Up Up Up Up Up... just because I can". Yes, the "Ups and Downs" videos are only a "bit of fun"... but if you aren't going to take the count even slightly seriously, it makes the whole thing pointless, and not fun at all!! If the Ups and Downs aren't going to be balanced and deserved, then don't bother with them at all, because it means nothing, and is just a waste of your time (and your audience's time). The biggest problem throughout this series of Doctor Who has been the pacing, and not having enough episodes to do justice to the stories. More episodes, and splitting some of the stories into two-parters, would have allowed the writers to put more into the development of the plotlines (and include some character development elements), and would have allowed the audience more time to "bond" with the Doctor and Ruby... and appreciate how their relationship had had more time for them to bond, too! The Finale could have easily been a 3-parter, instead of a strong-ish first part, and a weak, plot-hole ridden, damp squib of a second part. It's like a firework.... light the blue paper and stand back, waiting for the excitement, but it just fizzles out, making a wet fart noise, instead of being a big bang. The result... don't go back to that firework, and don't buy that type again, in the future (in other words... Bye bye Doctor Who, because people will stop believing the mystery set-ups, and will stop watching). It is an irony that a modern version of a TV programme that heavily features "Time", gets the timing so wrong. Wouldn't the Doctor have had something... anything... metal within the Memory Tardis? No? Really, RTD... nothing? We certainly hope we see a lot more of Bonnie Langford in the UNIT spin-off (if we ever get that). Did anyone else expect to see East 17 join Mrs Flood on the roof, and break into a musical number... "Stay another day", perhaps? When you watch the "Tales of the Tardis" version of the "Pyramids of Mars", you see how Doctor Who can be done well.... time for pacing... time for character development and relationship growth... time to breathe, at the times when it is needed, with good action pieces, and suspense, that didn't rely on fabulous CGI, huge budgets, and fake mysteries (or a reset button). Doesn't Sean still look tired?

I feel like there's something to the Doctor saying his memory of the moment keeps changing. Also, was the street sign suddenly appearing when we looked at it just supposed to be a glitch in the Time Window?

random I know but I don't think a nurse would be allowed to have those nails

Of course Ellie liked the scene with the spoon. The woman gave the spoon to the Doctor because he's so beautiful. The message was that beautiful people should be given things because they are so beautiful. If I looked like Ellie, I would probably like that, too. I think Doctor Who should send the message that looks don't matter, not give free stuff to beautiful people because it could save the universe.

It's kind of interesting that sutekh didn't let go of the tardis for one millimeter. He didn't attack or anything it was all his minions. So have to agree with sean and ellie that he would be way scarier if he had lunged at the doctor or something like that.

You guys are so great, I love your discussions!

There was no mention of mavity that I saw in the finale. Also, Ruby's father's surname is Garnet, another gemstone that is red in color. Finally, as to Mrs. Flood, I like the theory that we're watching a show within a show and Mrs. Flood is the narrator. But a flood is another body of water, so I wonder if there's a River Song or Melody Pond connection....