I am saved, I am being saved and I will be saved.

It was inspiring to learn that the plural matters and to hear the parallel with "the lepers are being healed and the dead are being raised", one by one over a period of time. I am coming to realise that we Westerners are so individualistic in our interpretation of Scripture, whereas Eastern worldviews value the community as a whole. Thanks for this!

Two treasures in the Body of Christ. Thank you Pastor Dwayne and Dr Mark. Always blessed by these conversations.

Thanks for this guys, crazy how I was doing a study on this and boom y'all showed up

We were justified in Christs blood, we are now being sanctified in the Spirit, and then ww will be glorified in His presence

Salvation in terms of the course of life is an "already but not yet" situation. The saved are headed to glory but they have not arrived at glory yet.

Most enlightening! The "are perishing" "being saved" parallel makes good sense. Thanks to you both for your hard work!🙏📖

If we're saved at all, we're then still being saved

Two of my favourite KZfaqrs together! Thank you, brothers 🙂

Two great dudes, totally nerding out. Love it!

Thank you, Brothers.🌹🔥⭐🔥🌹

If yoire not yet perfect then youre still.being saved. Thank God thd modern.versions get it right.

My old Ruckmanite church used to push literature, like Riplinger's book, that made a big deal of the "saved vs being saved" issue. Also, I first heard the explanation of "in justification we have been saved from sin's penalty, in sanctification we are BEING SAVED from sin's power" etc.

Mark Ward is the only person who happened to be a Calvinist whom I enjoy listening to. Thank you for having Mark on your show.

Helpful insights. A good alternative to KJV, is the NASB, NASB95 and ESV. However, the KJV is and remains a valuable translation. God bless you and keep you. Pastor John

Even as I began watching this video, I kept thinking of 1 Peter 1, where the apostle wrote about our inheritance reserved in heaven, a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time, when we will receive the end of our faith, the salvation of our souls. Even so, I very much enjoyed the dialogue you had with brother Mark on this. And I so appreciated his comments at the end about brothers agreeing across international and denominational lines on the very essence of our salvation by grace through faith. That is indeed a precious thing.

"Us who are being saved" might be understood in the same way we might understand a missionary giving a report to the church of all of the many people in that foreign mission field who are being saved as the missionary preaches the Word of the Cross

We are being saved to the fullest.

We are saved (justification) are being saved (sanctification) will be saved (glorification) King James Version Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed." You see what it saying? Our "salvation is "nearer than when we believed." I thought we are saved is the correct way but according to this passage our salvation is nearer than when we believed. This verse proves there are tenses of salvation. This salvation the KJV is talking about is glorification. This is the salvation we have not attained yet. This is a great video because we are in the tense of sanctification and are being saved. The NKJV is correct.

Worth noting that the King James Version was written when the simple present tense was in more use in day-to-day speech. You are unlikely to hear someone say, "I walk to the park." but rather "I am walking to the park." The King James Version was written when the former was more common.

I understand the being to refer to classes of people, the lost as a group who are regularly perishing and those who are regularly being saved when they believe on Christ.

Since I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I believe I was saved at my baptism. I am being saved as I live the faith, in and through Christ. I will be saved eternally when mortality is finished at the end of the age.. I believe it is rather a non-issue, but one that can cause some confusion. Personal comment here: I hope you two boys are not disparaging me for being Eastern Orthodox. Or, for not having the education in the languages you each have.

Excellent conversation!

I have been saved, am being saved and will be saved. The alignment that is most important. *Jesus* *Who* was *Who* is and *Who* is to come. Who is for Abba also, as in "Our Father *who* art in heaven." The pronoun *which* is for things or places. So if you see a "which" utilized for God or Jesus, where did this come from? The pronoun *which* is NOT archaic English. Father, Jesus, The Holy Spirit are living. *Who* was, is and will always be correct for the Godhead. This ties in with the elephant in the room and that is that bibles are under alchemical or a type of sorcery attack. For instance, "Judge not, lest ye be judged" or "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you" no longer exist in any translation. These are clear, precise and a beautiful use of the English language. These are not choppy ( jagged) confusing or difficult to read aloud. This is how the KJV formerly read and why it has been considered as the excellent or gold standard English translation. So there are thousands of changes to all translations of bibles. The formerly majestic kjv bible is the most obviously being altered by an unfamiliar voice. The Holy Spirit will ( in fact MUST ) confirm what I have shared here. Follow Jesus, hear His voice while we yet may. - Bryan

8:00 I have seen some KJV onlyists carelessly use the word "Alexandrian" to refer to rendering of the TR that match the modern CT translations rather than the KJV as somehow. It seems like just more name calling like how they say the NIV is not inspired. Personally the verse sounds like it is contrasting those who "are perishing" vs those who "are saved", but this rendering would break tense agreement.

We are seated in heavenly places. Yes we ARE completely saved. To state otherwise is disingenuous.

King James loved his wife and they had lots of kids. He wrote amazing love letters to her and wrote a lesson to one of his sons against sodomy.He attended church twice on Sunday. He had preachers come three times a week to teach God's Word to his whole court

problem is ,I think-being saved almost takes away the instant forgiveness through Christ .we are complete in him so if we were to be 'hypothetically' on our last breath it gives us a more confident in knowing we are' present tense,saved however Paul said we die daily

I am not a scholar but I believe they go hand in hand. There are those who are already saved, meaning the Lord regenerated their hearts, and there are those whom the Lord is currently setting things up for the moment, that was predetermined by His Will, for when He will regenerate their hearts i.e. those who are being saved.

Yes and Yes. We have been saved, we are being saved. Also, at the appointed time we will be saved. The wicked flee when no one pursues but the righteous are bold as a lion. So regarding the lion shall lie down with the lamb Isaiah 11:6 and Isaiah 65:25 ( concealed ) and Rev. 5:5-9 revealed... what say you? Who is altering the written scriptures? Perfect love is for now... Standing upon the KJV as written today no longer is a place of safety. Have you heard a baptist pastor say "Lets all turn to the charity chapter" ... Fervent charity? Why not face what is evident and clear?

Ww are already saved as to fact, yet we not fully saved as to act. God has to act in the future through Christ to make us perfect immortal and totally righteous

Does the NKJV teach false doctrine about salvation? I say a qualified no, but the NKJV along with other modern translations do not teach the full truths of salvation. Are we saved or are we being saved? Dr Wade hit the nail on the head with his 30,000 ft view. IMHO the real question is how or who is keeping us saved. At conversion we are spiritually circumcised which is the cutting apart our soul and our body. The Holy Spirit daily washes our soul with the blood so the sins of the flesh do not stain the soul. Our salvation is maintained by the Lord, not our continual works. An often overlooked scripture (Eph 2:6) tells us our spirit has already returned to God replaced by the indwelling Holy Spirit who does the work of keeping us saved. At the beginning I mentioned leaving off the full truths. Gal 2:16 in the KJV along with other scriptures tells us we are justified by the Faith of Christ, not our own faith in Christ. This is a doctrine found in the KJV which is lost in the modern versions. Think on the implications........The Faith of Christ never wavers, never faults or fails, it's Rock solid while our own personal faith is weak. Yes we are saved and yes we are in a continual work of being saved; but the Lord does the work, not us. Rom 3:30 tells us the one God justifies us "through" faith and Eph 2:8 tells us we are saved through a faith that is gifted to us. We are gifted the Faith of Christ which gives us the knowledge God will also raise us from the dead. Believers in how He died, was buried and resurrected are resting in the Faith of Christ.

Good stuff. Have you thought about having someone on to talk about text-types and maybe how they do textual criticism from the internal evidence side of things? Perhaps Peter Gurry? Like it’d be interesting to see when and why a shorter reading wouldn’t be accepted and so on.

Killed all day long.....dying to selfish ambitions and living for Christ!

Dwayne, check out the few articles on Grace Evangelical Society on Continual Belief for some Good discussions on aspect and participles.

Gods fully saved sons are perfect.

I actually went with "becoming saved".

1901 ASV "but unto us who are saved it is the power of God"

I wish we had this many words in dutch. I recently found out you guys have two words in english for our word 'genade'. Grace and mercy. And they are different. I never realized

20:48 Using a similar search returned 19 verses in the KJV where *ing follows the word “are”, compared to 278 verses in the ESV. Search: *ing AFTER are WITHIN 1 WORD are

Depending what you think Paul meant rather it Justification or Sanctification in (1 Cor 15:2) the KJV have text concerning Sanctification it could be seen in ( Phil 2:13) it's not something new. Past (Rom 10:15) [Justification] Declaration of Faith Present: (1 Thess 4:3) [Sanctification] Work The Holy Spirit Future: (Rev 22:17) [Wedding] Present and Future (Phil 1:6) Sanctification and Wedding.

Salvation is instant upon belief. You receive the Spirit, and that Spirit is life and that life is a person who is Christ. Act 10:44-45, Eph1:13.

King James could read ,write, and speak Greek and Hebrew by 5 years old. He was raised and trained by John Bancroft one of Englands greatest Christians.King James had a huge portion of the Bible memorized. The KJB was design poetically to be memorized.

I love that punctiliar angle to this

lol 1 Cor 1:18 NKJV this is literally my favorite verse…in my favorite version, I’m glad it’s not heretical haha

Sanctification occurs by immersing oneself into God's Word. KJB we are saved ...a one time occurrence. Then sanctification...!

5:00 Again the ignorance on the doctrine of Salvation arises among teachers teaching the Scriptures. The Bible illiteracy is so huge today it saddens me. Brief intro to the doctrine of Salvation on THIS issue: There are 3 stages of our Great Salvation: 1. Salvation from out of the world (and its culture) 2. Salvation from the bondage of sin (with victory over our sins now in this life) 3. Salvation into Eternal Life (passing the Final Judgment of God on that Great Judgment Day). If you do not have the first two you will not pass the third. So, from the vantage point of the person who has been called out of the world by Jesus and has answered that call, putting behind the ways and the culture of the world, this person has been saved. YET, he is being saved from his sins as he agrees with God and stops his sins. And he will be saved on that Great Final Judgment Day into Eternal Life, because he walked the Way of Christ (Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the LIFE! No one comes to the father except by me. Clearly, by immediate context this is not about ONLY believing, but of doing and living. "Let us not love in word or tongue, but in ACTION and in TRUTH. Just as word and tongue cannot be separated, so action and truth cannot be separated. If you believe and hold to the truth of Christ, you will do the actions of Christ to walk on the way of Jesus.) We are just scratching the surface of BIBLICAL (not necessarily Evangelical) Salvation.

Maybe this verse has nothing to do with Spirtual Salvation at all. Maybe it's referring to the impending end of the Old Covenant which occured in 70AD. Verse 8, Paul speaks of those alive at those time "eagerly awaiting the revelation", at that they would be confirmed to the end. They were going to be saved from the destruction, particularly of Jerusalem when Christ came in the clouds in 70. Modern people love to assume this letter was written to them, it wasn't.

I am a staunch ESV, NASB, NIV onlyist now (depending on the situation)... so this confusion does not frustrate me anymore. As soon as they come out with a modern English translation that prefers the Septuagint where there is obvious issue with Masoretic OT... I will change. ESV is close but I think a few of the literal name-places add more confusion than necessary.

The last translation to use "saved" instead of "are being saved" is probably the (Catholic) Confraternity Version New Testament of 1941. It was also the last official English translation from Latin. Wycliffe also based his translation on the Latin Vulgate, perhaps the KJV translation of this verse was indirectly influenced by the Latin Vulgate. Of course, grammar changes in English may be the only explanation needed.

This bas been something really affecting me, and something im still struggling with as far as others sending me this very meme and it causes me questions this vidieo was helpful any suggestions on additional resources for understanding this verse? And the difference between modern translations? I am just still struggling with it.

2nc Corinthians 3:18 in my KJV Bible in the textual footnote by "changed", it gives an alternate reading as "being transformed".

Audience relevance. It has to matter to The people it was being written to initially. I believe they got this message before 70 ad so “being saved” really makes sense in the immediate sense to the audience. The KJV makes sense to us cause we ARE saved as Christians today. Yes?

It sounded like Dwayne says seswsmenois, the perfect, not swzomenois, the present. That confused me for a while.

The reality of what you are doing Dwayne and Mark is making excuses for a textual change in the new King James Bible. The context of this verse is that we ARE saved it is us who ARE saved it’s got nothing to do with anything continuous. the text is talking of the saved it’s not talking about any process, it’s talking, simply about us who ARE saved! You have to make excuses and try to change compare other passages and texts to justify your excuses that you’ve used to justify this change to God’s word! 😢

(KJV) For by one offering HE HATH PERFECTED FOREVER them that ARE sanctified. (NKJV) For by one offering HE HAS PERFECTED FOREVER those who (are being?) sanctified. Should not the NKJV read "For by one offering He "will" PERFECT FOREVER those who "finish" being sanctified?

Kjv readings are human tradition .

For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.” Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”

σῳζομένοις. In modern Greek is dressed up. Not being dressed. Or being dressed up. Now we know in English goodbye was short for God be with you or go with God. So let's just assume that σῳζομένοις over 2000 years had a bit of change. But what didn't change was the ending. And I can even see how it transformed into dressed up. So rest assured that these anti people are just wrong as always.

So glad i am saved and I am being saved. Just please don't ask my wife 😉

Does the NKJV teach us FALSE Doctrine about salvation? With Mark Ward #NKJV #BibleTranslation Response: 1. To provide some context for the KJV's "Us who are saved" and the NKJV's "Us who are BEING saved" of 1 Corinthians 1:18, the KJV and the NKJV appear to be in agreement in their translations of Romans 8:24-25 and 1 Corinthians 11:13. Romans 8:24-25: KJV: For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. NKJV: For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. 1 Corinthians 11:13: KJV: And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. NKJV: And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love. 2. From Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology - Hope To trust in, wait for, look for, or desire something or someone; or to expect something beneficial in the future. [Bible Study Tools webpage /dictionary/hope/] St. Paul in Romans 8:24-25 appears to indicate that hope, that is, waiting in patience for what is unseen, is a corollary to the grace through faith by which Christians are saved. Yet St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 11:13 is emphatic that charity (KJV) or love (NKJV), although related, is both distinct from and greater than faith and hope. 3. The KJV and the NKJV appear to be in agreement in their rendering of St. Paul's Galatians 5:6: KJV: For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. NKJV: For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love. 4. Therefore, a question: Is a Christian saved by grace through faith while waiting in patience (hope) for what is unseen, if their faith is NOT working through charity/love, which St. Paul states is both distinct from and greater than faith and hope? Or is it a certainty that if one has faith, then it will automatically work through love?

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2:10 Evangelical is NOT Orthodox and that is really the point of this to take away with you. The Greek says "to us BEING saved..." NKJV actually got the Greek literally right in the English. It is neither past nor complete in any way. Now, if you want to call God a heretic, that puts you on the wrong side. The problem is not with this verse, but with the mistranslation of the Aorist in all the other passages. It is the TIMELESS tense that is concerned with the action, regardless of timing. The time of the action may be established by the contextual words, but not in the Aorist. THIS is the real problem, which has been lost. Not only that, I made a video putting it in the face of those who cry out John 3.16 with the wrong grammar. They say "that whoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." Some get the "shall" in there instead of the "will". However, in the Greek it is the Subjunctive. So "shall" in older English had more of the sense of the Subjunctive uncertainty than the absolute nature of "shall" in Modern English. The Subjunctive is best translated "may." So it is better translated: "in order that everyone being persuaded into him may not perish, but may be holding life eternal." Notice that the one is BEING persuaded INTO him, so that HOPEFULLY he may not perish (as an action regardless of timing - Aorist). And equally hopeful is the possibility that he may BE HOLDING life eternal. This represents the exact grammar. It would be wisdom to reflect it in English and preach God's version, rather than the Evangelical altered version.

Daniel 7:25 kjv And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. "times and laws" what is the biblical definition of "laws" ? The altering of ink on pages is upon us regardless of your or anyone's opinion. Tomorrow and today are now listed this way in the kjv. to day to morrow, these words are now literally chopped up. Have you read the introduction to the kjv with the strange glorifications of queen Elizabeth and also with nursing men? These strange sentences with a disturbing voice and cadence are now increasing in bibles. Nursing fathers, men whose breasts are full of milk, a swearing God, a winking God do not align with The Holy Spirit. Lying signs and wonders have already begun. Matthew Henry and theologians will not help us here. The prophets names are altering. Does the expanded notes from the translators of the 1611 kjv bible permit this? The changes to scriptures is today self evident and undeniable. I and a hundred other reasonable men have confirmed this from multiple frames of references prior to sharing this. Hosea 4:6 *is* "My people *perish* for a lack of knowledge..." -Hosea 4:6 kjv. "Sanctify them by thy word, thy word is truth" - Gospel of John 17:17 kjv. But unto you that fear my name shall the Son of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. -Malachi 4:2 Now look these 3 verses up. All 3 are altered today. All 3 of these examples have evidence proving that they are now graffitied over / changed. We have been instructed to write the word in our hearts. The preservation of scripture is now in the body of Christ. The living epistles who are alert and sounding the alarm also are testimony of these changes. Father instructed us to know and memorize His Word. We who have eyes to see and ears to hear are sharing this astounding information. The kjv is now saturated with confusing verb tenses. If you want to discuss translations with relevance and authority, you *must* know and acknowledge what is happening regarding the changing of God's written instructions. -Bryan

This is so stupid. Go get a Textus Receptus, the one KJV translators used, and look it up. The Greek is clear. It's being saved. You may not like it, you may not agree with it, but that's what the Bible says and you damn sure don't have the right to change it.

This is an interesting translation (from the Latin)... "For the word of the cross, to them indeed that perish, is foolishness; but to them that are saved, that is, to us, it is the power of God" (Douay-Rheims). "Verbum enim crucis pereuntibus quidem stultitia est : iis autem qui salvi fiunt, id est nobis, Dei virtus est" (Latin Vulgate).

KJb or make excuses for the corrupt ones being ok. Lol your not continually being saved. No matter how hard you try your body is going to die.

I would recommend to you The book by John Murray , redemption accomplished and applied.

"Being" saved is to support Calvanism Jesus died once for all ...whosoever" John 19:30 "It is finished"

The reading is possible, but not profitable. Just like having Mary as the "mother of God" is correct linguistically, but it carries unnecessary theological baggage.

The field of experts...47 men 7 years most knew several languages up to 15 languages worked on the King James Bible. It is not (a version) but the Pure Word of God which was purified 7 times til final. There will never be such an astounding collection of scholars/preachers/language experts.

🗨 Dwayne 🗨 Friend, why change it if there's hardly a difference?

Are you married?or are you being married.

Yes it teaches false doctrine about salvation

Damn, you brought this anti KJV schtoolie here, I'm out lol.

To be fair, there are several verses that were omitted from KJV that are in the 1599 Geneva Bible. So maybe the KJV is evil. Or at least printed with an agenda influence.

this channel is an outworking of human flesh, not inspired by God.

Straw man falacies. No defence for the change to being saved, The KJV is correct.

Yes and Yes. We have been saved, we are being saved. Also, at the appointed time we will be saved. The wicked flee when no one pursues but the righteous are bold as a lion. So regarding the lion shall lie down with the lamb Isaiah 11:6 and Isaiah 65:25 ( concealed ) and Rev. 5:5-9 revealed... what say you? Who is altering the written scriptures? Perfect love is for now... Standing upon the KJV as written today no longer is a place of safety. Have you heard a baptist pastor say "Lets all turn to the charity chapter" ... Fervent charity? Why not face what is evident and clear? "Builded" is not a word... the evidence for this is able to be verified. For instance, "books written in the KJV style" ... many other modalities of verification exist, most importantly The Holy Spirit does confirm. Jesus is *sayING "Follow Me"* 💦 🗡️ 🫒