Well to be fair, one thing the prequels definitly did right was to put jedis against droids. In a sense, they did not kill that many people. It made sense for Anakin to question whether to kill Dooku or not in episode III as the only foes he had eliminated to this point were droids

@@Oldstalk If you want to ignore TCW series, sure.

Yep

The Last of Us 2 vibes

Yeah, it’s now a trope that writers need to stop using. Tension and drama can be built in other ways without the faux “will s/he spare the big bad BS”.

Hell there's literally a reason on the star destroyer. The grand inquisitor. Maybe the grand inquisitor intevenes, and obi wan doesnt like his chances fighting both him and even a weakened vader

I think they should have changed the fight too. What should make Obi win is that he actually isn't so narrow-minded and can see a way out of the fight. Instead he gets a force buff for no reason that we have never seen him do before. It's just weird.

This. The Kai Patterson cut actually includes Qui Gon saying “He is the Chosen One”

In a Galaxy, Far far away…

Moving to another planet and changing his name would have been the LEAST thing he could have done. Except that Beru was a second amendment ‘hold your ground’ type and wouldn’t want move for any reason. And nine years later that stubbornness got them both killed.

@@russellharrell2747they died protecting their home and a loved one. Also life on tattooine isnt like life on Alderaan. they had to fight off the elements and tusken raiders. that toughness and resilience and stubbornness to stand their ground is what luke inherited when he did the exact same thing standing up the the emperor to save his father

Right

@@russellharrell2747 You don't know what the second amendment means.

Yep, sad isnt it

@dflowers30 Even then he was creator which was his right to do vs a corporation who simply changing it just to get money from you

Exactly

Main difference is LOTR the canon is rhe books and as good as Peter Jackson's trilogy was it was simply an adaptation. For Star Wars the movies are the canon, the main source material. Add to that the Star Wars IP is held by a mega corporation unlike LOTR in which the "IP" is licensed and thats for the movie rights for LOTR and the Hobbit only.

I'm a fan of both. LOTR fans are currently screaming at the hills protesting a Lore-breaking new series but it is being made anyway and we can't stop it. So, tell me what fans protesting lore breaking or not has to do with anything we see in any media? It doesn't. They just do what they want. They don't ask permission. Star wars fans who feel that passionate have been protesting as well, but again, the ones who are in charge aren't listening.

Thats because the prequels themself contradicted the OT.

Yeah it doesn’t add up. If Obi Wan thought Anakin could be redeemed then why did he insist to Luke that the only option was to kill him? If he didn’t think Anakin could be redeemed then why didn’t he kill him here when he had the chance?

@dflowers30 Kenobi carving open Vaders helmet & making eye contact with his brother Anakin takes that urge to kill away. The way it’s shot with the changing light on Anakins exposed face from Red to Blue is putting across the conflict & potential of there being good in Vader. Redemption couldn’t come from anyone better than a Son so Kenobi walks & A New Hope will step forward.

This is the only thing about the ending that I thought broke canon. Why, why, WHY would you have Obi-Wan definitively defeat Vader and let him live? It makes his speech to Luke about wanting him to kill his father to save the galaxy make absolutely no sense.

The reason Obi-Wan and Yoda don’t try to fight the sith again is because they found out Vader had children. It’s better to make sure they are safe first and give them training because they are the next generation of Jedi instead of risking death with the sith.

Better yet, move the franchise FORWARD in time rather than endlessly retreading the same OT era. Had the sequel trilogy not been an utter train wreck they could have content that takes place slightly AFTER the sequels. Then we don't have any of these cannon breaking issues and there can be some level of suspense since we don't already know exactly how everything must turn out.

@@kinghoju Yeah but for this u need better writers. I dare them if they tried made woke KOTOR series... I will eat them alive na sue them. :D

Anyone else Dark Horse Comics’ SW Legacy book? I think that could have been a better jumping off point for the sequels.

@@kinghoju I agree with you. The sequel trilogy left the franchise no wriggle room and it really stinks.

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That is called a Voodoo Shark Disney does those all the time with Star Wars.

That’s it exactly!

This show was full of the new trope based on Thor "you should have gone for the head!"

This has been going on since TCW when Darth Maul returned when he should have stayed dead

@@BahamutZero09 true but gotta admit clone wars maul was amazing

This will probably sound odd, but letting Reeva live in that fight was a huge disservice to the character. Dying at the hands of Vader in that fight would have been one of the coolest deaths in Star Wars. I doubt she'll ever have another opportunity for such a great moment.

Yes

he probably sensed luke and had to leave and felt bad for vader

It made no sense for Obi Wan to leave Vader alive a second time. Some will point out that Jedi don't kill defeated opponents and he showed Vader mercy, but there are plenty of options between killing Vader and completely letting him go. Letting Vader go, so he could continue making the galaxy miserable, was just Obi Wan being wreckless. I'm sure people will make all sorts of excuses though to explain this....

@@patricksmith1550 He should not leave Luke alone under NO CIRCUMSTANCES.

@@patricksmith1550 obi wan is a Jedi and follows the Jedi code so he wouldn’t attack and unarmed opponent He also was sorry and couldn’t finish anakin Sure it’s the wrong thing to do but it’s not out of character

@@minerpvpgaming2160 But in Return of the Jedi, when Luke says he can't bring himself to kill his own father, Obi-Wan replies "then the Emperor has already won." He clearly believes Vader must be destroyed, and Anakin is truly gone forever. If we take this series as canon (which I don't), then Obi-Wan has up to that point had two opportunities to finish Vader off... First one was forgivable, he left him believing he was dying, and he likely would have died had the Emperor not intervened. Second time is just not forgivable, and then on top of that to expect Luke to have the balls to finish the job for him just makes him seem not only an idiot but also a coward. I just refuse to accept that Obi-Wan is either of those things...

1 min and u got better and more sensible plot that all those gooses from Disney.

I would have liked a Vader series picking up right after E3 and Vader’s just hunting down what’s left of the Jedi, Obi is just watching over Luke while helping to smuggle Jedi off planet and they pass along rumors of where Vader is, who he’s killed, who’s left etc to keep the last duel in SW intact. Toss in some bounty hunters working for Vader and keeping MacGregor’s/Obi’s appearances a secret as they did Luke’s in the Mandalorian and maybe some of us wouldn’t have been so disappointed by what we actually got as a series.

That would make much more sense. It’s not perfect, but it’s waaaaay better. The finale fight was pretty cool, but it doesn’t work in canon and it doesn’t fit with the general style of force use in the movies. The show should never have been made.

Hmm

Ahsoka can't meet Darth Vader until rebels

Fan service to kenobi fans. Price of it was vader's powerscaling. In no way in hell a rusty 10 year meat cutter obi wan beats prime vader

The big canon breaker for me is that Kenobi left Vader alive, ESPECIALLY after obi wan even said that his old friend is dead. That means Kenobi does not have hope for Vader. So why would he keep this Jedi killing machine alive

@@EfecanYSL Vader was never that big of a threat. Here's his track record: 1) Defeated by Obi-Wan twice, Obi-Wan let Vader win the 3rd time. 2) Defeated Luke as a padawan, lost to him as a Jedi. 3) Draw with Ahsoka, but Ahsoka foiled Vader's plans and damaged his suit while losing nothing in the process, so I'd give Vader another L here. 4) Is an absolute menace to Rebel soldiers, younglings, and civilians regularly. They are terrified of him and never stand a chance. If you're a random person in the Star Wars universe, you should be worried about Vader. If you are a Jedi of decent skill, you shouldn't be too concerned.

I do feel like the fight at the end can be viewed as breaking canon, but with a decent writer and director it could have been made to work. Unfortunately that was not the case and it's the least of the shows problems in my opinion. The overall product we got was a shallow and soulless mess that is at its worst insultingly bad and at best just feels pointless. A lot of surface level nostalgia bait that didn't add anything of quality to the SW universe.

@@EfecanYSL Obi wan always beat Vader, until Vader becomes a master like by the time of ANH

I partially agree. I think Ben deceived Luke--I hate that line in ROTJ "from a certain point-of-view." Try to use that in any court in existence. That being said, I do agree with this being part of Luke's hero's journey--specifically "Atonement of the Father." The spiritual guides can only take the hero so far; despite their wisdom, they are the past. The hero represents the future and a different way of thinking. Luke MUST be different from all the Jedi who came before, so him believing someone of the dark-side can be redeemed and then PROVING it, shows a new way moving forward. This is also why Luke's Jedi Order can never be like the old, as he's proven the Jedi wrong multiple times: 1) You can train to become a Jedi as an adult (he did it), 2) Attachments are neither good nor bad (his father's love saved his life and Vader also killed Palpy in the process) and 3) that someone consumed with the dark-side can be redeemed. Three for three. But...no. Nothing Luke does matters anymore.

Originally it was literally Vader did that It's just that the original line's portrayal fits so well that shoving another Vader fight screws that

This!

How in the hell do you conclude that the old order could do anything about the empire as a whole? Vader becomes immensely more powerful over the years. Obi Wan is but an old man at the time of A New Hope. The empire has become even more powerful. Luke, a young and powerful potential Jedi is a new hole in such times.

i find it hard to believe that obi wan would get so dramatically weak over the course of ten years that he would even need to sacrifice himself.

@@dahleno2014 What was Luke going to about the Empire as a whole. This is just four years before Vader's stated "prime" in Rebels. Obi-Wan is 57 in ANH. Dooku was 83 in RotS. Palpatine was 85 in RotJ. And 11ish in TRoS(clone nonsense aside). Point being, Obi-Wan isn't some decrepit old man. Luke is not approaching a Jedi Master's power at the age of 19-23, and even if he was, he wasn't taking down the entire Empire by himself anymore than Obi-Wan could.

LOL, WHAT? Dude, watch Episode 6 again and watch what Obi-Wan says, thinking himself as Luke did once, trying to redeem Vader. It's plain embarrassing that you don't have a thorough ot analytical knowledge on Star Wars yet proceed to call yourself a fan; ironic. There are many lines from the original trilogy that were held in high regard by fans of Star Wars that Obi-Wan Kenobi needed to adhere to in order to keep canon intact. However, one line that wasn't mentioned often, and was simply improved by Obi-Wan Kenobi, was Kenobi telling Luke Skywalker that Darth Vader killed Anakin Skywalker, Luke's father. In A New Hope, Luke asks Obi-Wan Kenobi how his father died. In response, Kenobi tells Luke that the former's old pupil, Darth Vader, betrayed and murdered Anakin Skywalker. Of course, Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker, however, the idea of this was only conceived of during the production of The Empire Strikes Back. As somewhat of a retcon, George Lucas wrote a line in Return of the Jedi in which Kenobi tells Luke that what he told him was true, from a certain point of view. Obi-Wan Kenobi improves upon this inconsistency during the final confrontation between Vader and Kenobi. Much of Kenobi's character arc in the series surrounds coming to terms with what happened between Anakin and himself in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith. Obi-Wan's guilt over leaving Anakin to die, only to find out he is alive in Obi-Wan Kenobi unbalanced him. The end of the fight in the Obi-Wan Kenobi finale, however, shows Kenobi apologizing to Anakin for what happened. Vader, in response, tells Kenobi that the latter didn't kill Anakin Skywalker and that Vader himself did. This is what absolves Kenobi's guilt, alongside his newfound relationships with Luke and Leia, and leads him to truly believe his former friend is dead. All of this is why Kenobi tells Luke that Vader killed Anakin all those years later, meaning Obi-Wan Kenobi truly improved upon one of the original trilogies' most famous scenes. The original Star Wars sees Kenobi and Darth Vader meeting once more aboard the Death Star for another duel. In the scene, Kenobi consistently refers to Vader as simply Darth. Obi-Wan Kenobi introduced the reasoning as to why Kenobi calls his old friend this in A New Hope. After the scene in which Vader states he was the one who destroyed Anakin, and Kenobi comes to terms that this is true, Kenobi simply says "goodbye, Darth". This indicates that once Kenobi realizes Anakin is gone forever, he begins to separate Vader and Anakin into two separate people. In calling him Darth, Kenobi accepts that the man standing before him is simply an evil Sith Lord like Palpatine and not the padawan he once knew. This explains why Kenobi continues to call him Darth in A New Hope. One of the lines from the film is only improved by this scene in Obi-Wan Kenobi, specifically the line in which Kenobi states: "only a master of evil Darth." This reinforces Kenobi's view of Vader after their confrontation in Obi-Wan Kenobi and further enforces how Kenobi believes Anakin to be gone for good. One specific line from Star Wars that Obi-Wan Kenobi had to follow to keep canon intact came from the same scene mentioned above, in which Kenobi and Vader meet aboard the Death Star. In the scene in A New Hope, Vader insist he is the master over Kenobi when he was once but a learner. This line is given the context it needed in Obi-Wan Kenobi, proving that the show didn't break canon and only improved upon the line. The context comes from two separate scenes, one being the final fight between Vader and Obi-Wan, as the latter comes out on top, and the other being a flashback scene. Firstly, the fight between Kenobi and Vader ends with Kenobi disabling the majority of Vader's suit. This greatly diminishes Anakin's threat due to his struggles with breathing and moving without the Darth Vader suit. In doing so, Kenobi bests his former padawan and wins the fight, allowing him to retreat with his life, proving he is still the master over Vader until the two meet again in A New Hope. The second scene, the flashback with Anakin and Obi-Wan from the time of Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones, provides the line with even further context. In the scene, Obi-Wan and Anakin are sparring with their lightsabers. Anakin's aggression and intense desire to be victorious gets the better of him, however, allowing Kenobi to outsmart him. Kenobi then states that should Anakin never overcome his need for victory, he will always be a padawan. A New Hope echoes this, with Vader's need to be victorious over Kenobi allowing Luke and Leia to escape and bring about the downfall of the Empire. In Return of the Jedi, Vader says to Luke that Obi-Wan once thought as he did, meaning that there was still good inside of Darth Vader. That line was often theorized to be the basis of Obi-Wan Kenobi's story, with Kenobi trying to bring Vader back to the light side of the Force. While this wasn't necessarily the case, Obi-Wan Kenobi still improves upon the line and even fixes it. The last time Kenobi and Vader saw each other before A New Hope chronologically, before Obi-Wan Kenobi that is, was Revenge of the Sith. Before Obi-Wan Kenobi came out then, Vader's line in Return of the Jedi made no sense, as there was no hint of Kenobi ever thinking Vader was still Anakin and no instance of the two meeting between Episodes III and IV. Obi-Wan Kenobi being placed between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope in the timeline though fixes this line completely. Again, much of Obi-Wan Kenobi episode 1 sets up Kenobi's guilt over what happened with Anakin. The last scene between the two in the series features Kenobi directly addressing Anakin and apologizing for what happened. After Vader says that he himself destroyed Anakin, Kenobi calls him Darth, indicating that before this he still thought Anakin was alive beneath the suit. This is where Vader's line comes from in Return of the Jedi, completely recontextualizing and fixing the original scene. All of this only goes to prove why Obi-Wan Kenobi keeps Star Wars canon firmly intact. From the improvement of lines from A New Hope to the complete fixing of others, the series solidifies its place within the Star Wars timeline without causing any inconsistencies, and even reversing some. On top of this, from the brief final fight of Obi-Wan Kenobi episode 3 to the fully-fledged rematch that was promised in the season finale, Obi-Wan Kenobi season 1 delivered what was promised upon the announcement of Ewan McGregor's return to a galaxy far far away. So no, the show doesn't break canon at all.

Agreed. The whole point of the duel on Mustafar was that Obi-Wan wanted to turn Anakin back from the Dark Side, because he knew he had love (for Padme) in him (though probably a somewhat toxic one to begin with, but that's also a topic for a different video). After that Kenobi apparently thought Anakin had, in fact, died on Mustafar, until Reva tells him otherwise. The he has some hope up to episode 3 of the Kenobi series, up to that really great "What have you become" moment, and emphasised in episode 6 by the "then my friend is truly dead" line. So I'm not worried with that line.

@@countluke2334 it doesn't make sense for Kenobi to try and 'save' Vader 10 years after ROTS, thats why i never wanted Vader and Kenobi to duel, kenobi watched him kill younglings, and while it made sense to reach out to Anakin on Mustafar, but to try and 'save' Vader and to accept that Anakin's gone 10 years later? that's just a repeat of the exact same thing, it makes no sense.

I agree the prequels should have been set earlier. From the OT I got the impression the Clone Wars were like 50 years ago, not 20, and also that the Empire existed for much longer. But then where would Vader's children have come from? But all that "The Jedi are extinct, nobody remembers them" thing would make far more sense if they had been scarce for a long time before that even. Lucas wanted to show that "for over 1,000 generations the Jedi Knights were the keepers of peace in the Old Republic", but the timeline was always messed up, or people in the Star Wars universe are extra forgetful. A show about Kenobi laying low on Tatooine would have been underwhelming and boring and really couldn't justify it's existence, far less than the show we got. At least the stakes were high and we got meaningful character development for both Obi-Wan and Vader. Was it perfect? No. But at least it wasn't boring (as parts of BoBF were) or a total mess (as TLJ and RoS). So I'm gonna enjoy what we got, especially the "What have you become" and the "rematch of the century".

"A show about Kenobi laying low on Tatooine would have been underwhelming and boring and really couldn't justify it's existence". Especially coming off of Book of Bobba Fett where the protagonist was also confined to Tatooine.

Yeah when I envisioned the series. I thought it would be less action and more reflection. The trials and tribulations of being a secret guardian/ Jedi. Flashbacks would be used to recall specific lessons from His childhood training in the temple from his teachers. These lessons would be used in a current situation or crisis. It should have been about getting g Luke to safety On The desert planet. And once there Things he had to do to keep the secret. Although it is his intention to avoid notice, Obi’s training and sense of social responsibility repeatedly force him out into the open, to fight for justice or protect the underdog. After each such encounter he must move on, both to avoid capture and prevent harm from coming to those he has helped.

@@mattjacobson5774 You are totally right to think just emotional struggle isn't enough to carry a series, but a good writer can make any idea interesting if they tried. I know Disney would have to deviate from what EU did exactly, but EU Kenobi did a ton of cool things despite being grounded. That's why I'm always suggesting that they make some episodic adventure similar to Mando where they still have the intro, exploration, and resolution of a problem in 20 something minutes. But I guess if they can't make easy stuff like Boba Fett cool, then they don't know how to make one location, small scale stories great.

@@countluke2334 That's right. That's why I suggested that they make some episodic adventure similar to Mando where they still have the intro, exploration, and resolution of a problem in 20 something minutes. You are totally right to think that would be boring, but in the wrong writers' hands. What did EU do? I know Disney would have to be different from EU, but EU Kenobi did a ton of cool things despite being grounded. It's hard to pull that stuff off and they would need a damn good writer to do it.

And even if he thought that part of Anakin was still alive, he still might have killed him out of mercy, as clearly Anakin was suffering both physically and emotionally.

its the jedi way to protect and not to take life :)

@@reynolds122 But is it the Jedi way to instigate others to do it instead? That's what Obi-wan does in the OT with Luke. Where does the morality begin and end here?

Yeah I was under the impression he regretted not finishing him on mustafar, he could’ve have changed so much if he decided to finish it here lol

It made no sense for Obi Wan to leave Vader alive a second time. Some will point out that Jedi don't kill defeated opponents and he showed Vader mercy, but there are plenty of options between killing Vader and completely letting him go. Letting Vader go, so he could continue making the galaxy miserable, was just Obi Wan being wreckless. I'm sure people will make all sorts of excuses though to explain this....

Well he has gone by Ben since the Clone Wars so it's still "technically" accurate.

@@modmaker7617 he is called and responded to Obiwan. So no. Not really. Mental Gymnastics. At some point the routine is too much. At least to be any good.

@@x-winger9387 I meant that in the Clone Wars he used "Ben" as an undercover name but not a permanent one.

@@modmaker7617 but he says he hasn’t gone by the name of Obiwan since before Luke was born not that he started using Ben as a name before Luke was born. Not sure if I get you.

@@x-winger9387 That's why I put "technically" in my original comment. "It's true from a certain point of view" - Obi-Wan

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ROTS is still awesome. This show will be forgotten

How does it fucking break cannon when we have no idea what happened in those 20 years before ANH

@@slim..reaper Something’s were Better left alone

@@slim..reaper Because Vader makes it pretty clear in ANH that they haven’t met since Mustafar, and Rebels directly states that Vader and Palpatine both have no idea whether or not Obi-Wan is even still alive during that 19 year gap.

As he pointed out, lucas didn't know the whole plot when he wrote "when I left you" so it's sort of open for debate. I like to think that what darth meant by saying that, was him leaving obi wan's side just before they fought on mustafar. Kenobi acknowledges that he's lost, says "ill do what I must" and anakin sees that as ok goodbye ill kill you now. The coping idea is also solid since he indeed didn't physically leave him.

@@anakinthighwalker1836 Exactly, Vader saying he left is less him physically leaving, but leaving the side of Obi-wan and the Jedi.

@@HoHhoch That was how I always took that line as well. And the "learner" part always made sense to me to mean that Obi-wan was still his master and mentor even when Anakin was a fully-fledged Jedi Knight. He praises Obi-wan a number of times in RotS and takes advice from him, more as a friend than a superior but still in a sort of mentor kind of way. Now, in ANH, Anakin is so thoroughly consumed and fully trained as a dark side warrior, he considers himself to be Obi-wan's superior. It could just be my head manipulating it to make it make sense to me but that was how I was interpreted that situation.

@@tarrickmerdev2324 That's what it means. Vader is referring to himself as superior, that he's above the person who fell at Mustafar.

I like "when I left you" as referring to "when I left the Jedi order." that would still establish a reason for him to say he's grown since he was beaten soon after leaving the Jedi order.

What did you think about sc 38?

@@fuzzybacca4997 I thought it was cool! A nice fan improvement of the ANH duel. I get the criticism that it’s too fast-paced and some of the VFX are clunky but all in all it’s great to see, especially since the ANH duel wasn’t super epic. To that end I’m happier with a fan’s imagining of a more epic version of the duel, than the Kenobi series adding a prior rematch to the lore which takes away from the one in ANH

@Greg Elchert Agreed! I think people got so used to faster-paced duels as the films went on, but ANH’s will always be great. Even if it’s two old guys dueling - to that end the fact that it’s slower makes sense. The SC 38 gives a taste of a faster duel for those who wanted it.

@@fuzzybacca4997 I thought it was episode c. Watched it so many times.

The weird thing for me is that despite the poor choreography, the fight in A New Hope still works because of the great tension and set up. The fights in this show were both very shoe horned which undercut the improved visuals

In the canon that we have, Obiwan would have to get around Owen to start training Luke. Owen wants no part of it for Luke. Of course it would be easy for Obiwan to kill Owen, or just take Luke, but that isn't the kind of a person Obiwan is. With Owen feeling the way he does, Owen has to die or change his mind before Luke is free to become a jedi. I don't see Owen changing his mind, so it has to happen the way we see it in ANH. Only after Luke sees his aunt and uncle dead does he make his own decision to be a jedi. Even though he was dreaming about it and asking to join the academy, Luke felt a responsibility to stay on Tattooine before they died. It took that trauma for him to feel free to go. He started out for revenge for his family, and you could say that in the end he saved his family (or at least one family member).

@@shadokat Except this series ruins that notion, because seeing Reva literally almost kill Luke and completely overpowering both himself and Beru, would push any real parent to want to give their child any help they can, and Owen knows that help can only come from one place, which is training to be a Jedi. So your argument is moot - if anything, the events of Kenobi would only push Owen to allow the training as soon as possible.

@@shadokat it would make sense for Owen to be against Luke being trained before but now a sith inquisitor showed up at their farm to kill him. Though they made a great effort to protect him, they were out classed and failed and again it is only luck which leaves any of them alive. Luke is now not dead only because the stupid story we just witnessed "could not" kill him or break cannon. Owen continuing to want Ben to go far away, not be nearby to protect them, and to not train Luke no longer makes any sense.

@@spartan117zm see Spartan gets it

Vader/Palpatine/Tarkin 9 years later: "This Organa guy seems suspicious..."

how

"Leia's the future!" lol.

😂 but then god got involved Now Luke has true faith

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I wonder if George Lucas even watches this crap

Things change all the time. Look at Anakin having Ashoka as a padawan or baby yoda being at the Jedi temple

@dflowers30 Good decision

Canon is what happens in the series and movies, not what someone "says"...

Obi-Wan wasn't just calling Windu a Master just because he was still a younger member of the Jedi Council but it is protocol. We see Mace and other Jedi refer to others of equal rank as Master all the time.

"Master" is just what you call your own master and any Jedi grandmaster on the council, I guess.

@@emberfist8347 Windu was calling Obi-Wan "Obi-Wan"

@@honestbennyOccasionally yes but they also tend to refer to fellow Jedi as Master .

@@countluke2334 No Master is a rank he’d by Jedi who successfully trained Padawans

Vader did leave kenobi in a chasm

@@novustalks7525 no he's saying vader falls into a chasm and kenobi leaves him there

I mean, Yoda told him to kill anakin and he went out to fight. He left him for dead and even assumed he DID die. Mace almost killed palpatine if not interrupted by anakin.. kenobi and yoda as well as many other jedi killed many clones during and after order 66... So the 'jedi don't kill' is just wrong.

Because OT Obi-Wan, or Obi-Wan across all media, speaks truthfully all the time.

@@ronramen5827 that’s a nice way of saying “I don’t care what the script says”. Obi-Wan didn’t lie, as he explained, everything he said was true from a certain point of view. There is no “certain point of view” that changes that statement, and clearly implies he’s been hiding his identity as Obi-Wan since the birth of Luke.

@@Mr_Mcgee_ "He didn't hold with your father's ideals. Thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved." With

that's not contradicted in the series. He doesn't go by Obi-Wan, regardless of what others may call him. He goes by Ben.

@@kor57 you missed the part where he said "now that's a name i haven't HEARD in a LONG time"

obi wan said he hadn't heard his name from before luke was born

@@minerpvpgaming2160 the prequels shot on that with him bring called by his name days after the children were born.

@@russellharrell2747 when They never called him obi wan except while they were being born

@@minerpvpgaming2160 Yoda telling obi wan about talking to Qui Gon and the new training he’d be receiving? I think Yoda used his name then, but it’s been a while since I’d seen RotS. At any rate, ghost Qui Gon would have certainly called Obi Wan by name at some point.

@@russellharrell2747I saw ROTS a month ago and I don’t remember yoda saying obi wan and even if he did it’s the same day that Luke was born on And maybe qui gon didn’t count because he is a ghost

They’re probably gonna have a Reeva show (which i would be excited for). But what we really need is a new trillogy unrelated to the skywalkers to build something new could even be thousands of years into the future where all these happenings are just legends now idk

Let's not pretend like legends didn't break canon and retcon stuff like crazy as well lol. I prefer legends as well but facts are facts.

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Yet Obi-wan left him again so.. still makes no sense.

Yes, I liked the show overall and especially Obi-Wan's arc and the encounters between the two. That was well done overall, really digging into the special relationship they have and, in a way, explaining the "break-up". Of course, in the end Obi-Wan has to let him live "so the movies can happen", even though he had the chance, but I really liked how he called him "Darth" as a mocking nickname, explaining what had never really made sense previously. The one plot hole remaining is the Leia storyline, which I liked apart from that. And the actress did a great job (apart from running like a toddler). So for me a lot of things to like, it's not as bad as many say, and it could have been worse (not the highest bar I admit, but still).

That's what the line was meant to be.

Ezra is a Jedi who would follow protocol and Maul almost exclusively used the name Kenobi in Clone Wars too.

I don't know if its cheap drama considering that there is some good things about the show.

@@achaudhari101 Example...

@@peskymacaw9033 Owen and Breu being badasses in protecting Luke, the speech Obi Wan and Vader had at the end of their second duel, and the flash back scenes for starters.

@@achaudhari101 the acting was good, nothing else. Owen and Breu were retarded for stating on the planet. Owen more so for not dragging breu out of the house and forcing her to leave.

"Because of Obi-Wan...?"

Funnily enough the kenobi writer didn't watch revenge of the sith

It actually fits with what Vader tells Luke in Jedi, that Obi-Wan once thought as Luke did and tried to redeem him.

@@reviewreviewer1 I mean, I am glad that we AT LEAST got that one moment of Obi-wan tearfully apologizing to Anakin/Vader, but I wish the series had spent more time on it. It just kinda got thrown into the last episode.

Way to see things in black and white. It's plain embarrassing that you don't have a thorough ot analytical knowledge on Star Wars yet proceed to call yourself a fan; ironic. There are many lines from the original trilogy that were held in high regard by fans of Star Wars that Obi-Wan Kenobi needed to adhere to in order to keep canon intact. However, one line that wasn't mentioned often, and was simply improved by Obi-Wan Kenobi, was Kenobi telling Luke Skywalker that Darth Vader killed Anakin Skywalker, Luke's father. In A New Hope, Luke asks Obi-Wan Kenobi how his father died. In response, Kenobi tells Luke that the former's old pupil, Darth Vader, betrayed and murdered Anakin Skywalker. Of course, Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker, however, the idea of this was only conceived of during the production of The Empire Strikes Back. As somewhat of a retcon, George Lucas wrote a line in Return of the Jedi in which Kenobi tells Luke that what he told him was true, from a certain point of view. Obi-Wan Kenobi improves upon this inconsistency during the final confrontation between Vader and Kenobi. Much of Kenobi's character arc in the series surrounds coming to terms with what happened between Anakin and himself in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith. Obi-Wan's guilt over leaving Anakin to die, only to find out he is alive in Obi-Wan Kenobi unbalanced him. The end of the fight in the Obi-Wan Kenobi finale, however, shows Kenobi apologizing to Anakin for what happened. Vader, in response, tells Kenobi that the latter didn't kill Anakin Skywalker and that Vader himself did. This is what absolves Kenobi's guilt, alongside his newfound relationships with Luke and Leia, and leads him to truly believe his former friend is dead. All of this is why Kenobi tells Luke that Vader killed Anakin all those years later, meaning Obi-Wan Kenobi truly improved upon one of the original trilogies' most famous scenes. The original Star Wars sees Kenobi and Darth Vader meeting once more aboard the Death Star for another duel. In the scene, Kenobi consistently refers to Vader as simply Darth. Obi-Wan Kenobi introduced the reasoning as to why Kenobi calls his old friend this in A New Hope. After the scene in which Vader states he was the one who destroyed Anakin, and Kenobi comes to terms that this is true, Kenobi simply says "goodbye, Darth". This indicates that once Kenobi realizes Anakin is gone forever, he begins to separate Vader and Anakin into two separate people. In calling him Darth, Kenobi accepts that the man standing before him is simply an evil Sith Lord like Palpatine and not the padawan he once knew. This explains why Kenobi continues to call him Darth in A New Hope. One of the lines from the film is only improved by this scene in Obi-Wan Kenobi, specifically the line in which Kenobi states: "only a master of evil Darth." This reinforces Kenobi's view of Vader after their confrontation in Obi-Wan Kenobi and further enforces how Kenobi believes Anakin to be gone for good. One specific line from Star Wars that Obi-Wan Kenobi had to follow to keep canon intact came from the same scene mentioned above, in which Kenobi and Vader meet aboard the Death Star. In the scene in A New Hope, Vader insist he is the master over Kenobi when he was once but a learner. This line is given the context it needed in Obi-Wan Kenobi, proving that the show didn't break canon and only improved upon the line. The context comes from two separate scenes, one being the final fight between Vader and Obi-Wan, as the latter comes out on top, and the other being a flashback scene. Firstly, the fight between Kenobi and Vader ends with Kenobi disabling the majority of Vader's suit. This greatly diminishes Anakin's threat due to his struggles with breathing and moving without the Darth Vader suit. In doing so, Kenobi bests his former padawan and wins the fight, allowing him to retreat with his life, proving he is still the master over Vader until the two meet again in A New Hope. The second scene, the flashback with Anakin and Obi-Wan from the time of Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones, provides the line with even further context. In the scene, Obi-Wan and Anakin are sparring with their lightsabers. Anakin's aggression and intense desire to be victorious gets the better of him, however, allowing Kenobi to outsmart him. Kenobi then states that should Anakin never overcome his need for victory, he will always be a padawan. A New Hope echoes this, with Vader's need to be victorious over Kenobi allowing Luke and Leia to escape and bring about the downfall of the Empire. In Return of the Jedi, Vader says to Luke that Obi-Wan once thought as he did, meaning that there was still good inside of Darth Vader. That line was often theorized to be the basis of Obi-Wan Kenobi's story, with Kenobi trying to bring Vader back to the light side of the Force. While this wasn't necessarily the case, Obi-Wan Kenobi still improves upon the line and even fixes it. The last time Kenobi and Vader saw each other before A New Hope chronologically, before Obi-Wan Kenobi that is, was Revenge of the Sith. Before Obi-Wan Kenobi came out then, Vader's line in Return of the Jedi made no sense, as there was no hint of Kenobi ever thinking Vader was still Anakin and no instance of the two meeting between Episodes III and IV. Obi-Wan Kenobi being placed between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope in the timeline though fixes this line completely. Again, much of Obi-Wan Kenobi episode 1 sets up Kenobi's guilt over what happened with Anakin. The last scene between the two in the series features Kenobi directly addressing Anakin and apologizing for what happened. After Vader says that he himself destroyed Anakin, Kenobi calls him Darth, indicating that before this he still thought Anakin was alive beneath the suit. This is where Vader's line comes from in Return of the Jedi, completely recontextualizing and fixing the original scene. All of this only goes to prove why Obi-Wan Kenobi keeps Star Wars canon firmly intact. From the improvement of lines from A New Hope to the complete fixing of others, the series solidifies its place within the Star Wars timeline without causing any inconsistencies, and even reversing some. On top of this, from the brief final fight of Obi-Wan Kenobi episode 3 to the fully-fledged rematch that was promised in the season finale, Obi-Wan Kenobi season 1 delivered what was promised upon the announcement of Ewan McGregor's return to a galaxy far far away. So no, the show doesn't break canon at all.

Right

@@reviewreviewer1 That was clearly shown in Revenge of the Sith.

Yup. It was essentially obi wan is a dumbass and Leia and reva are the best..

Yes and no. I think Vader has some realizations of his own. We are looking at it from Obi-Wan's POV, and Vader seems driven by hatred. But it's not all that. We know from later on there is good in him. And his shouting "Obi-Wan" after he walked away calling him "Darth" is 100% Anakin. So for Vader Obi-Wan still is some brother/father figure, even though he hates him, blames him for a lot, he comes to realize when he sees Obi-Wan with tears in his eyes that Obi-Wan is truly sorry and doesn't want to hate him, he realizes that indeed he brought a lot on by himself. I think it does make sense when you look at it that way. And ultimately it's the Emperor telling him that he must leave Obi-Wan behind, and only after he promises to do that (and apparently gives up the pursuit, as well), the Imperial March is heard for the very first and only times throughout the series.

Vader told him that because he doesn’t want to be seen as some weak broken person. He doesn’t want pity.

Did you watch any of the animated series?

Yoda had no problem lifting the pillar.

@@emberfist8347 He succeeded but he seemed to struggle a bit. Doesn't seem to me like he would be able to break off a natural stone column and throw it, or stop a ship that's flying away. Disney SW is not really SW.

@@Yarblocosifilitico The struggle was mostly becuase he needed to stop it from falling first before he could move it.

@@emberfist8347 well, that's still less than breaking off chunks of rock from the earth and throwing them at great speed. These new Kenobi and Vader would've dealt with that pillar like it was nothing.

Then why did Obi Wan tell Luke that his only option was to kill Darth Vader?

Then why does Obi Wan tell Luke in Return of the Jedi that he has to kill Vader? If it is all about the Emperor? Remember from the prequels even though it is never stated clearly and is kind of clucky but the insinuation is that Palpatine wanted Anakin as his apprentice all along because he know his power and needs it to help him rule the galaxy. He doesn't execute his plot to become empire until he has turned Anakin

Darth Vader is the most powerful apprentice the Emperor can have outside of Vader’s children. Killing Vader would permanently weaken the Sith.

How does it break canon blatantly?

More Reva? 🤢🤮

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Vader's name was actually a play on the phrase Invader since he was first written for boarding the Tantive IV.

I thought the duel was gonna take place on Mustafar like in the concept art, unfortunately it didn't.

Check out star wars theory’s vid on the duel it makes it make more sense that Kenobi was able to beat him but then again I agree Vader should have won. TLDR of the vid is that this is only 10 years after Vader got his suit and he had to relearn all lightsaber techniques, and the suit probably had sever lag between mind body movement since it was outdated and purposefully horribly made, and the last point is that Vader was still conflicted about actually killing kenobi so he wasn’t at full strength in the force.

Every time Vader loses, it diminishes Luke's victory in RotJ. I have the same feeling about Vader now. He lost to Obi-Wan twice and only won the 3rd time because Obi-Wan let him win, yet they somehow needed Luke to beat him? Obi-Wan could have saved the galaxy by the now. This series has made me despise these characters.

@@lolzasouruhm179 Star Wars Theory bends over backward for any content with the Star Wars label. Didn’t he admit to forcing himself to like the Disney Trilogy? I find it unfortunate, but at least he’s making money for his trouble.

If I was Palpatine, I would be severely disappointed upon realizing that 10 years after Mustafar, Darth Vader lost to Obi-Wan again. Especially since Obi-Wan supposedly pulled a Jake Skywalker for that period, he would have been at ROTS level of power. Implying this Vader is *weaker* than ROTS Vader upon his conversion to the Dark Side.

@@macggnore Vader has lost fights before Luke fought him whether it be in Canon or Legends.

He said "When I left you..." NOT "The last time I saw you...". Like an ex saying "When we broke up, I felt like this..." doesn't mean that you haven't seen or talked to them since the relationship ended.

@@Jamyes9909 but it's Vader's arrogance and denial of the role and influence of Obi Wan which could work. "When I left you...", making it all about him while rendering the agency of Obi Wan, irrelevant.

I wonder if Reva will show up some time in the future, after ROTJ...

@@evertonporter7887 she jumped her ship into a star instantly vaporized

💯💯💯💯. Star Wars isn’t itself anymore

This.

Your last two lines makes no sense. How is Vader a joke?

@@achaudhari101 internal conflict whith Obi-Wan ? non sense to me. He should want destroy Obi-Wan for what he did to him. Vador super powerful but super weack in the final? Humiliated. No sense to me. He is an idiot who learn anything after his failure. This Kylo Ren in cosplay to me. I liked him in episode 5 only.

@@Triphaseful Kylo Ren cosplay? Okay now you're spewing denial with nonsense.

And that's a problem.

@@achaudhari101 That's Disney's problem.

@@willfanofmanyii3751 No.

Why would Obi-Wan tell anyone about Luke? It's not something Obi-Wan would discuss with anyone aside from Yoda.

Luke clearly knows of Old Ben Kenobi in the New Hope, but whether he's ever met him isn't clear. I always had the impression that he must have met Kenobi a few times of the years but old knew him very casually and had no idea that he was anyone of significance. On the other hand, Leia 100% should not know about Kenobi. I'm totally shocked the writers had the two meet. That in of itself makes this show unforgivably terrible.

@@macggnore that doesn’t matter the point is he acts like he meets him in A New Hope when apparently Disney is now saying that he doesn’t.

@@kinghoju yeah I suppose he does say old Ben Kenobi and I guess they could’ve possibly met his uncle does know him but yeah you’re right he definitely should not know Leia. In the beginning of a new Hope she says help me obi wan you’re my only hope she doesn’t say hey Obi-Wan remember me from 10 years ago I need your help again.

Also, what would the reprecussions be if obi-wan killed Vader in that moment? Maybe Palpy would suddenly be super pissed and ultimately find him or Luke. Gotta keep a low profile! agree

Soooo true