I loved the part when Obi-Wan said “I Quied when you were Gon” when Qui Gons force ghost appeared

Expectations were high for a Kenobi and Vader series, but that wasn’t what we got instead we get little Leia chase scenes, trench coat escapes, and Reva surviving lightsaber stabs

It makes me angry whenever I think about how they wasted Ewan and Hayden. Like how do you not focus the storyline on their relationship?

BoBF was disappointing. Kenobi was blasphemous! Could we get a Kenobi series NOT about Kenobi abandoning his duty to "watch over the boy"? Abandons Luke Puts Luke in danger/exposes him Fails to protect/save him the ONE time he was needed Rides off into the desert after telling Owen and Breu they were all the protection Luke needs

So …what’s the deal with writing in general then? How are there sooo many flaws, so many issues that contradict canon or lore? Are these writers not fans like we are? How do they cook us a grilled cheese sandwich in a 5-star restaurant with a big smile on their faces as if we’re going to enjoy it? How does this keep happening?

I loved hearing this discussion. I would say Kenobi should have been a character study with a singular perspective from Kenobi and perhaps vader.

It felt like a small child telling a story. Where it's all like "and then, and then, and then" Without events following logically from one to the next. Individual parts might work but it doesn't add up to a cohesive story.

After obiwan and Boba Fett I agree with Anakin now, I HATE THE SAND, the prequels showed that the Star Wars is so much bigger than tattoine yet somehow we keep going back 😩

I’d say so, Kenobi and Anakin were their last Golden Goose and to say the squandered it, would be an understatement.

The show is an underrated masterpiece. The part in the end where Qui Gon appears as a force ghost and tells Kenobi "its morbin time" and the show cut to black; absolute genius. No but in all seriousness they crapped the bed with this one. As per usual Disney star wars gets summed up as "wasted potential."

When Disney bought SW I only wanted one thing from them KOTOR era stories. After seeing what they’ve done with 80% of their releases I don’t want them anywhere near the old republic

This show suffered because Disney knew it was "too big to fail." If people would have watched it regardless of its quality then why would they bother making sure it is of good quality?

Episode IV was comparable to "The Last Jedi." It broke all my modest respect for the show. Changing the last episode was a huge mistake.

As underwhelming as Kenobi was, Boba Fett was far worse. That score for BoBF is far too generous IMO. Kenobi I’d say was some scattered awesome moments surrounded by terrible writing and setup for a much less interesting series. Where Boba Fett was painfully boring throughout and scatterbrained. Even though it had two good episodes, those should’ve been saved for Mandalorian Season 3 and had nothing to do with the show itself. Besides, those good episodes were followed by a horrible finale that makes Mando S2 completely pointless.

As someone who loves the Obi Wan character, all of this so saddening. I kind of wish the series was not done. I really hope they don't do another season.

I am growing suspicious that Disney is trying to go cheap with the Star Wars property. Why not, if the fandom isn't going to hold them to a higher standard. If people are going to buy whatever you're selling, why spend a dollar when only a quarter will do?

Unfortunately it's a yes for me. It's worse. It ruins the lore AND steals from other better stories. Boba while bad didn't step on many toes. Minus the last two episodes that were basically the Mando

On a serious note, this show was dangling keys when you want to get the attention of an infant or cat. Flashy saber duels cannot replace a well written plot, decent not great but decent dialog, and decent not great but decent cinematography.

The highs of Boba fett(the two episodes that didnt include Boba Fett) were greater than highs of Kenobi. Boba fett was never a central character show nobody really cared. Even if Tbobf is overall a worse show, the magnitude of failure of a show like Kenobi makes it the worst star wars dinsey+ product. They had a perfect opportunity to explore so much lore with Kenobi and give us a deep dive into the post ROTS era with better writing and execution than what the prequels were. This could have been the most interesting character study of how Kenobi went from a beaten middle aged man to the hopeful wise man we know from ANH. Yet all we saw was 5 episodes of Obi wan's side quests and tbh except the half mask Vader moment, nothing else from that fight is memorable at all and i dont think Kenobi being stronger than Vader with the force is the right way to connect to the line 'I was but the leaner but I am the master'. Kenobi was always known for outsmarting his opponents and not outfighting them, the fight didnt do justice to that.

As someone who strongly disliked both Kenobi and Book of Boba Fett it is absolutely clear BOBF is so much worse. Kenobi has some redeeming qualities, BOBF does not. I think the main reason Kenobi ranked lower is because people had high expectations for Obi-Wan and Vader (then felt tricked when they had a smaller role than we thought) and because BOBF left a sour taste in everyone's mouth. Ironically, the same way BOBF is making some fans hate Kenobi more, it is probably also make some fans love it more since "at least it isn't BOBF"

Considering how much this story breaks from the canon and the amount of wasted potential I'd say Kenobi's the worst. To hell with continuity. Not to mention the writers egregiously dumbing down Obi Wan's character. He's now officially useless. Completely complicit the deaths of millions even after fully realizing that Anakin is gone. Right before the final fight Obi Wan admits to himself that he must do what must be done. I guess those were just empty words. If he's going to have a confrontation with Vader at least write in a scenario that makes it impossible for Kenobi to finish off Vader. Instead he just lets him live. How are people okay with this? It's so stupid.

Honestly, I haven’t “hated” any of the series so far. But I feel The Book of Boba Fett was my least favorite of the series so far. However, one thing I feel is problematic for the story line is that Reva is still alive and knows the identity of Darth Vader. Depending on what her character does next, that could be canon breaking.

I can forgive the plot-holes that only affect the show, but the ones who affect the entire franchise is what gets me.

The lack of depth to the backgrounds/cinematography was totally noticable. Including the reusing of the same alley, even back to back shots used the same alley from different angles 😂

I participated in that Poll, Glad to see my 10% getting represented!

At least Obi-Wan felt like the Obi-Wan we know and love. My only complaint about the series was the amount of focus they put on Reva and Leia. But Book of Boba Fett turned Boba Fett into a wimp. Unless they make him realize what it takes to run a criminal empire in season 2, I'll never forgive Favreau for this.

Let's be honest. Fett is a B tier character at most (at least from movies + CW). Kenobi and Vader are the core of Star Wars. The only two organic characters to be present in all 6 movies. Such a malicious character assassination of these fan favourites is going to cause significant anger in the fan base. This was the last jedi for prequel fans. Just like Luke was turned into Jake by Rian Johnson, this series turned Obi Wan into Noobi Wan - a man who needs ten year olds, scam artists, ice cube jr. and incompetent spies to lead him around everywhere. Darth Vader went from the most iconic and feared villain in movie history to Saturday morning cartoon villain. The combined IQ of Kenobi and Vader in this show is less than 50. That's unforgivable. All who use PTSD as excuse for both Kenobi and Vader's incompetence here have no idea how PTSD or depression work. I gave the show 1* and I'd keep it at that or less. This isn't canon for me. My biggest gripe is that they wasted Ewan, Hayden and Liam. I feel sorry for Hayden most of all - they didn't even give him any screentime. Instead, they decided to make it about their intersectional oppression Olympics champion: RREEEVA - someone better than Jesus and DC's Joker when it comes to miraculous resurrections. It's the wasted potential that will make most fans irate. Just like TLJ

Had high hopes for the show, so i was ultimately disappointed with what we got. A show with 4 pretty bad and 2 mildly entertaining episode's, isn't really a good show in my eyes. It was just another show with a sprinkle of nostalgia and some moments (that are easily forgettable after the first watch), and it's sad to see what they're doing with CANON. One thing that i do appreciate from this show, is that i'm more invested in the Expanded Universe now.

I will say, during the final battle, I got a litte teary eyed when Obi got to see Anakin for just a moment, without even realizing it. A tragedy that only Luke could see through. And then he said, "IT'S KENORBIN' TIME!" and I clapped.

It just didn't do justice to one of the top tier character in the Star Wars universe. It felt rushed and meaningless.

I liked Book of Boba but it's best parts were the Mando episodes, honestly I'm both shocked and not that Kenobi is rated lower, you major expectations that when not met will result in major disappointment, sadly that's what Kenobi was faced with and yeah I hoped those in charge would know the risk of botching this story after the many backlash from other legacy issues, I myself did enjoy this show more then Boba, but since boba is an untold story in an era after the OT there's less risk of getting wrong vs a major character Kenobi in a era before the OT, there's just something more to lose.

Shows that know characters can’t die can build tension. These writers just don’t know how to tell a interesting story. Should have just been a character study between obi won and Vader.

I, for one, think that this series could have been fantastic if they actually studied the main characters (Obi-Wan and Darth Vader) and enhanced them in a way that you could watch the prequels then the series, then the originals seamlessly and they would compliment each other. Kind of like how Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad enhance eachother. I would have Obi-Wan NOT learn that Anakin was alive until he slashed Vader's helmet in the "Rematch of the Century". Shocked, confused and mortified, Obi-Wan then gets stabbed in the guy by Vader and thrown off a cliff, Vader thinks he's dead, Qui-Gon appears as a Force Ghost to Obi-Wan and gives some motivational guidance and Obi-Wan leaves to get healed. It's one plot hole I think would've been fixed, in a show apparently riddled with holes.

I think expectation plays a big role when working with a long-time established character…. Book of Boba Fett Episode 5 was a big boost for the series. A lot of people liked Guardians of the Galaxy, and nobody really knew who they were. If you mess up an established character, forget it. Especially if different people have different interpretations of their favorite characters.

As far as I’m aware, from my group anyways, it wasn’t the worst but it was completely unnecessary at worst and completely trash at worst. Boba Fett at least had a story to tell with stakes, Kenobi could only end in one way; everyone living and nothing of consequence happening. And honestly, Boba Fett wasn’t even good, again according to my group.

Unless you count the sequel trilogy as a series. I cannot see how anyone can ignore all the inconsistencies, contradictions, hypocrisies and just flat out mistakes and enjoy this show. I hate to criticize people personally, but you have to be missing a few cards not to see how bad the Obi-Wan Kenobi series is.

"The Book of Bobba Fett" was a 2/10 while "Obi-Wan Kenobi" was a 3/10, so the latter was 50% better, which is quite impressive!

Expectations definitely a thing here. And it should be. Kenobi is one of the top 3 characters. Then add Vader to the show. This series should have blown us away. Also, I'm not lowering my expectations for Star Wars just cause some people said i should. Star Wars is better than this.

For me it was the worst and best series so far. I love seeing Ewan and Hayden back. I most likely won't watch a single episode again but I'll watch that final duel between Obi Wan and Vader at least 100 more times! That duel and Ewan's performance was a diamond in the ROUGH.

Both shows had great moments, but both shows also had pretty major execution issues at times. At least with BoBF, the plot could actually go somewhere without having any impact on established stories. They KINDA made it work with Obi-Wan as far as the plot inconsistencies go, but you still get the feeling that it was almost better for the overall story if the events of this show didn't happen at all.

When the writers for Kenobi go on the record saying this show will highlight both Reva and Leia's story, then why would we expect them to base this on Obi-Wan?

I think the shows are a similar level of not quality, but Kenobi is the more frustrating show because it’s about characters that are a lot more beloved then Boba Fett, who is still a beloved character but mostly by people who read the EU. Kenobi and Vader are known by everybody

Look, I’m not trying to ruin anyone’s Star Wars “experience”, however, if you happily accept crap, they will never do more than give you crap. An analogy, if a restaurant gives everyone food poisoning every time anyone eats there and no one ever complains and just keeps going and giving them money, what motivation does the restaurant have to stop giving everyone food poisoning? These are the basic requirements for a competent story, not a multi-million dollar production , but ANY story. Obi-Wan fails at all 10 of these requirements. Ten Basic Requirements for a competent Story 1. Have a Story to tell. A beginning, middle & end. 2. Follow a story structure that works, such as "Once upon a time there was ___. Every day, ___. One day ___. Because of that, ___. Because of that, ___. Until finally ___." 3. Follow the Law of Noncontradiction. 4. Write interesting, memorable and relatable characters. 5. Keep character consistency. 6. Honor cause and effect. 7. Detail the rules of your universe and Obey the established rules of the universe the story takes place in. 8. Set up & then pay off. 9. Subversion, make the subversion as logical and rewarding, if not more, than what you are subverting from. 10. Write a good ending, ideally something you may not see coming, but ultimately feels inevitable.

Boba was so bad I couldn't finish it. Although Kenobi wasn't that good, I at least wanted to see what happened.

I enjoyed parts of the show, but overall it was lackluster. I feel like more passionate fans are aware of the mistakes disney made along the series, where as other people are enjoying for a more casual watch. One thing i noticed was i feel like disney was intentionally releasing each episode later to fix the mistakes they knew fans were going to point it. It needed to be pointed out that they needed a better writer.

While the Andor series has largely been regarded as the show nobody wanted, Kenobi more and more seems like the show that we should have never been given.

I think we should begin expecting more from series and movies. As it is now there are so many series and movies that are produced like they were spat out of some random script generating machine. We are drowned in so much junk that we have lowered our standards as a whole. But as long as we happily watch that junk, they will keep on producing it. They make more money if they don't have to spend too much time on what they make.

Personally, I enjoyed some aspects of Book of Boba Fett. It's not a good show, and I'm really just sick of Tatooine at this point, but I think it was decent in terms of some worldbuilding (especially with the Tuskens) and giving Boba some character development. I know a lot of other people didn't like how he was portrayed in the show, but I actually liked it. Kenobi just kinda put a bad taste in my mouth and I felt it was completey unecessary and took away from the OT somewhat. Boba Fett, while it could've used a lot of improvement, didn't do that. Plus the Mando epsiodes, while they shouldn't have been put in the series, were pretty good. So overall, I'd take Book of Boba Fett over Kenobia any day of the week.

I have to wonder just what kind of injury did Darth Vader inflict on Reva that she recovered without a bacta tank, like putting a bandage on a burn and is perfectly OK. This is a bigger plot hole than Leia and Darth Vaders needing to forget that anything happened.

The show felt like a tug of war between two different writing teams. One team wanted to tell a deeply emotional story about Obi-Wan struggling to overcome his guilt over Anakin and having to come face-to-face with the monster that Anakin has become, all before learning to let go of that loss and not let it define him anymore. The other team wanted to write an adventure story about young Leia and subtly change the lore to state that Obi-Wan only succeeded because Reva turned back to the light. The finale really felt like they were trying to say that Reva is the real reason Luke stayed a secret from the Empire and became a Jedi, and that they were undermining Obi-Wan.

My main problem with the show is that is was just disappointing I would rather this show not exist. It needed to be amazing and it was just mediocre. Not the mention the 3 awful chase scenes the trench coat scene and the fact that reva had more plot armor than obi-wan just to name a few.

What character would you most like to see in a live action series?

Agreed. Yes. It was a show. I have watched a few times. By myself and then with the family. There was a lot of misses. And a few hits. Not sure it was needed

Parallel stories with Vader and Obi-Wan that each focus on the fallout of episode 3 without them meeting again could have been an interesting story, provided the right screenwriter handled it.

I can’t remember if I voted on the poll, but I think a 3 is about right. I’d give it a B-, it wasn’t perfect but I enjoyed it. I think Andor is gonna be good, considering they have a lot of freedom despite his fate being sealed. It’s like a blank slate and can add more to the lore

I’m burned out on these kenobi videos 🤕, but it’s the hot topic right now so get your $$ and views . No harm in that . I still listen and thumbs up 👍🏽

Guess blaming the fans and labeling the majority as racist for the actions of the few had consequences. Enjoy the bed you’ve made, Lucasfilm.

Thanks for using my comment. I thought I missed that poll. I have missed many others in the past, and this one slipped my mind. Maybe I am also in need of cutting down on my weekly entertainment so I can mentally refresh. 🤦

I was one of the people who gave this a 2/5. It needed to live up to the standard of storytelling we got in the first 6 movies in order to justify its existence. Sadly it was filled with plot holes which undermined it from the very beginning. Combined with the poor direction and cinematography, I honestly think all those higher ups (not the actors) should be sacked for incompetency.

If you don’t count the two random mando episodes squished into the Boba Fett, I think Obi was a much better show. I haven’t thought once about Boba since the show and I blamed it on a lackluster director. Obi however I had much higher expectations for and it really makes me sad since we might not get another chance to see Ewan play Obi Wan again. Most of the show was sloppy and cheap looking, but with some very high moments as well. The finale with obi vs vader was one of my favorite Star Wars moments in the last few years and yet the episode as a whole was still disappointing. I feel like they got us hooked with a super high quality show like Mando and now are cutting budgets on future projects because they know we’ll watch whatever they put in front of us. Boba I’d give a 4/10 and Obi 6/10.

One thing that disappointed me was Haja Estree. I love Haja but he is all over the place. Why did Reva not kill him when we saw her chop someone's hands off for no real reason in the earlier episode? How closely tied is he to the Rebellion versus the grifting we see him doing as his introduction? Hubby and I were chatting and we would have loved to see him as Leia's new personal head of security at the end. That would have been a brilliant blend of the goodness we've seen in him and that grifting/streetwise side of him that would be ready to counter Leia’s developmentally appropriate moments of child brattiness, as well as show respect to his willingness to help Obi-wan. Just picture it: Leia stands in the doorway looking out at the forest. Enter Haja in formal robes with a datapad. “Not today, Princess,” he says with a grin and a wink. Leia looks up at him and grins. “I know! Duty comes first.” Haja chuckles as she disappears behind a screen with attendants to get dressed.

To me, Star Wars has always been a Buffett. Nothing wrong with trying it all, but you mainly take what you like and forget the rest. I will say that they really need to start filming stuff completely separate from what we know. Do what the old republic did and go way into the future or past. Maybe when grogu is 900 years old and then you can have total creative freedom with the star wars framework. You don’t risk angering the fans by mishandling beloved characters.

I think there's a better Kenobi in Dr. Sleep than this show. think about it McGregor plays someone with powers, suffering from past trauma, has a ghost mentor, has to protect a child with great powers from an evil group

I find the results of this poll to be completely unexpected! I honestly felt infinitely less satisfied overall with BoBF (even though I enjoyed a good portion of it) than I did with Kenobi. Sure, there were some things with certain execution moments here and there that I didn’t care for, and definitely some technical “nuts and bolts” things I think could’ve been improved a great deal…but overall I walked away from Kenobi wanting more. Whereas with BoBF I finished wanting to move onto another story.

At first I was gonna say Kenobi was slightly better than Book of Boba Fett, and then I remembered that the last three episodes of Boba were saved by Mando and Luke showing up. It was still mediocre, and both shows ruined their titular characters, and even Mando season 2’s ending was ruined too, but I was far more invested in the latter half of Boba than I ever was with Kenobi, which is honestly kinda sad.

Boba fett still is the worst. Like they seriously had to have Mando come in just to make it interesting. People are going to be so confused watching Season 3 of Mando if they didn’t get to watch Boba.

Star Wars live action has gone from being a must see spectacle to just a content factory to pump stories out to keep people subscribed to a streaming service in less than 10 years. We aren’t even getting movies like the MCU does, that’s how far Star Wars has fallen. Thanks Disney. I like a compelling consistent story with competent villains, sadly Kenobi lacked all that. I’m not surprised this scored lower than TBOBF. People didn’t like what they did to Boba and it did have some plot holes & bad writing but Kenobi was far worse for plot holes and poor writing. Star Wars isn’t Marvel or DC comic stuff with multiverses and rebooted characters etc. What I liked about Star Wars, for the most part, the content creators tried to be consistent with the overall story but now LFL doesn’t care about it. Want to retcon something that happened in a comic even though it adds nothing of value to the overall story? No problem, go right ahead. The EU got made Legends so they could have more freedom and create a new single unified & consistent canon, that lasted how long? Pablo has said as long as the key moments line up how you get there can be up to the current creative. I hate this approach.

Watched some clips of Kenobi and nothing I saw made me think “Damn, I want to watch this.” In fact I thought “What the hell is this? Aw well, at least there’s spy x family”

there was no passion or love for this show. Just jingling of keys, reminding us of better times. Nothing more. All from reva teleporting, to rocks looking like cartboard. But I guess my expetactions was just too high. My bad.

Book of boba fett: Good visuals Episode 3,4,5, are good Decent story Great soundtrack Good characters Decent acting Obi wan kenobi: Unmemorable soundtrack Poor acting Horrible script Horrible writing Poor visuals Decent action Zero stakes

If this were any other show, movie or IP, what I'm about to say would not be challenged, shilled or at the very least, disputed or gaslighted: When it comes to any type of entertainment or even fiction in general, one of the first things a story needs to do is grab your interest that either gets you to click on the next episode or watch the sequel. Right? Well, under normal circumstances.. Being that the show is called Kenobi is misleading. It should be called The Adventures of Reva, Leia & Kenobi. And if you think that's being sarcastic or that I'm being cross, THE SHOW ITSELF took somewhere in the neighborhood of 15-20 minutes before we even get to Kenobi in the very 1st episode of his own show. Again, that is a technical, objective fact that ultimately informs you subconsciously of the importance of said characters. Now, if it would have been played as campy, or had not taken itself so serious, (especially to those who either bypass it's flaws or admits them but still praise the show) that would be a totally different scenario. Yet, 90% of the action, dialogue cinematography and locations, are at best, cheap or amateur. It reminds me of Sci-Fi Saturdays. The ONLY difference now of course the music which again, informs you subconsciously how to feel. Characters are taking a stance to only change a few seconds later, lightsabers bouncing off stormtroopers, Kenobi not walking around a laser fence, before hand, saying Leia's real name in front of stormtroopers while they're wanted fugitives, Lala discussing infiltration plans in the same exact space as the enemy, and the list gets quite lengthy.. before we get to that infamous tench coat scene.. Those issues branch further in to plot holes, inconsistencies and entanglements of Grand Father Paradox proportions. How is Bail Organa not in prison before A New Hope seeing as how Vader now knows of all that transpired in this show? How can a youngling survive a stab wound by one of, if not the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy? Is Reva the only one that survived? And how does that keep Anakin/Vader as the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy if he can't kill a defenseless youngling?? Star Wars or not, there's very little in the way of compelling or even good storytelling that gives you a vested interest in continuing other than one's own interests. The only real emotion came in Episode 6 of a 6 episode show. The show refuses to give try basic story structure, refuses to make sense even if given the opportunity, makes holes and inconsistencies at nearly every plot point. Were it not even the largest IP in history, I'd still rate it a 3.5 out of 10.

This was the first Disney+ Star Wars series I watched. I enjoyed it, though it has some issues. I wanted to see more of the Grand Inquisitor. And him getting killed off then not giving an explanation of how he survived. And they ended up doing the same with Reva being left for dead and she just quickly gets to Tatooine. Also I thought it was weird how Obi-Wan sorta just leaves Reva hanging on the mining planet when he said "Because all he'll see is me" which would imply that he'd stay and fight while Reva would try to sneak attack Vader. "You won't stop him alone." And maybe the sixth episode should had been Reva and Obi-Wan fighting Vader, where Reva would die leaving that actual final fight. But among other things, hearing James Earl Jones still being able to deliver his role as Vader was awesome. And Hayden Christensen having to speak to Obi-Wan with a mix of him and Jones' voice I think was more exciting than the battle. And the little things, there was a Stormtrooper in the third episode who was a bit laid back, showing his human side. I actually thought Obi-Wan would have to kill him, but instead a different group of Stormtroops, and I really liked that they showed a pretty graphic death at that scene. Also Reva just cutting off the woman's hand was surprising.

Any passible moments are far out weighed by it's blasphemous treatment of Kenobi's ONE TASK in this era! "Watch over the boy"! Maybe one rewatchable scene for me.

People need to see the problems with this show. There's a LOT of them. So much potential wasted. You have the actors, the money, the production, the copyright, and they did this show. So sad, such a pity.

To the answer the title question I think the most accurate answer is depends on the fan you are asking. In the circles of fandom I hang out, it overall has received a very positive reception. People have been writing metas and gushing over it. The finale especially, which personally for me, was probably it's strongest point. While I've heard some general criticisms discussed, the biggest complaint I saw was about how they can't reconcile Anakin's character with what Vader does in the show. Mainly, Disney making Vader out of character during his murderous walk through the village scene which...? I don't agree with but that's another topic for another day. So what's the difference? I think it just depends on what parts of Star Wars you are personally invested in. For me, this show is definitely ahead of TBOBF and ties with Mandalorian. I admit it had it's weak points, but I enjoyed the finale and even teared up during the Anakin/Vader & Kenobi dialogue. Reva's story had some nice parallels with Anakin's story, one that even made me feel for Owen because I think he had flashbacks to Shmi's death as she carried Luke back out of the desert. Also it gave me good Owen and Beru content, especially for the latter, because she did not hesitate to start prepping for war to protect that boy. Loved it. Leia's portrayal felt really good for me as well. Again, the show for me wasn't all around amazing but I wouldn't say it's the worst series either.

They hyped us with the trailer, when they choose to use Duel of the fates and battle of the heroes, and we get a little Imperial march at the end

What was the purpose of this series? A) Finish KKs destruction of Lucas Star Wars, B) Heartless Disney cash grab, C) Introduction of new character(s), using an existing character, D) All of the above. E) None of the above, because who cares anymore... Disney Star Wars sucks.

While I thought the show we got was ok, a 2.5/5, the expectations of the fans were at the high point that only a near perfect story would satisfy them. What we got was not that. If they had taken out the Kenobi/ Vader story lines and made it about the first Jedi we saw on Tatoonie, I forgot his name, and have him go through this story line and going against Reva, it would have made more sense. Of course the title would need to be changed, but it may have been enjoyed more since no main line characters were mentioned (maybe keep Vader around to organize Reva and the rest) and no large expectations or plot holes to rune. Than you would have people compare it to Jedi: Fallen Order, so maybe it would be a lose/lose situation anyway.

My pitch for a Star Wars TV movie, would be a story set entirely on Hoth after the events of Empire Strikes Back. Luke, Han, Leia, and most of the Rebels have left the planet, and only a small rag tag of rebel soldiers remain on Echo base holding off Stormtroopers. The Empire destroys the rest of the remaining transports leaving the survivors stranded. Vader and the Imperials leave the planet to pursue the Skywalkers and the Rebel Alliance. A blizzard sets in, and a herd of Wampas stumble on the battlefield. They begin eating the dead and hunting the wounded. In a desperate attempt to survive, the remaining rebels and wounded stormtroopers team up to last the night until help arrives.

I didn't vote because I didn't watch it. Maybe Andor will finally seduce me to Disney+ but as for all previous series, I will wait to see how they turn out first.

Still haven't watched this. Haven't decided if I want to bother with reconciling this with existing canon after the mostly not great book of boba fest series. I was never that big of a Boba fest fan anyway so I was shocked how overall disappointed I was with that series. I didn't think I had the ability to be disappointed in a Boba Fett series. I am actually really interested in the Andor series. Because, like your wife says, I am not worried about any canon effects.

Hey! I Follow Emperor Cubone as well lol. I agree with Thor and his lady on every point. It was DEFINITELY better than Book Fett but a little short of how awesome it could've been. My thinking is they skimped on effects and backgrounds either because they blew their budget on Original cast and B actors or they bet everything on nostalgia from having Hayden and McGregor back in their roles.

Let's face it, the Kenobi show we were given in the trailer was not the Kenobi show that was delivered. After watching the trailer I was really excited, thinking we were going to get a show with Kenobi versus the inquisitors, leading them away from tatooine, subterfuge, avoiding Vader. I didn't expect Luke to be in it except as maybe an afterthough,t a quick glimpse for a second at some point. I definitely didn't expect the majority of the episodes to be about a relationship between Kenobi and Leia that canonically never happened up to this point. Disney Star wars has devolved into the promise that is never delivered upon

Hey, Thor. How far have you gotten in KOTOR 2?

It's super interesting seeing the writing on this, after it came out along Stranger Things 4, the writing for which has been incredible. Obviously completely different genre, but why can't we expect the same high quality writing when dealing with such a beloved set of characters, when the Duffer Brothers are out there demonstrating incredible modern tv writing?

Considering how little she heard from the holo message, and the fact that Obi skipped on her on Jabiim, I agree with the thought that Reva thinks Luke is Kenobi’s son. She couldn’t fully read Owen in the beginning but now she knows what it is Owen was hiding at the time, the fact he knows Obi. Now she knows of “the boy” but that’s all she got. No mention of Anakin, just Vader, and it’s conceivable that Obi could’ve had a kid over the years, and if he DID he’d of course not want Vader knowing (the “if he finds out about the boy” part) Assuming she’s thinking this way, It would make sense to her if Obi had a kid he’d leave him with family before going on a rescue mission. Now she thinks she knows something about Kenobi that even Vader doesn’t know and she can get her revenge by killing the son of the man who left her to fight Vader alone. Basically she got the wrong idea and then came to her senses before she could do the deed. Plus I think the Force had a hand in it as well.

What I was craving throughout the series was more emotional pauses. I wanted it to dive a little deeper into Obiwan's mental state and explore his feelings more. It was emotional for me so I would think the story would allow for some more emotional depth.

I would also rate Kenobi below The Book of Boba Fett. I think characters behaving in dumb ways and things happening conveniently in order for the plot to move forward, have been flaws present in every Disney Star Wars show (including Mando), but it has never been as obvious as it was in Kenobi. With TBoBF at most, I felt bored sometimes. With Kenobi, I felt frustrated.

The problem with the choice wasn’t the choice itself it was the fact Grogu chose the Armour, choosing the lightsaber would have meant an official retcon of the sequal trilogy because as we know Ben Solo was his first student, it was a flicker of hope that was quickly stamped out.

It was watchable, but some of the situations were silly to me. Leia clumsily escaping from her kidnappers, or people in general not taking cover when they're shot at, or that awkward Snow/land-speeder floating and shooting at Reva, or a Star destroyer not having Tie fighters or Vader's ship, etc. All in all, it was something to watch, but I feel, maybe Disney didn't put their best effort /budget into it. It didn't feel like the Mandalorian, it felt like small budget TV production. Two of the most important characters in Star Wars should've had the highest budget possible, but that's just my humble opinion. I loved the return Hayden and Ewan, and that's the best part of it.

I don't buy into the show suffering from lack of tension due to knowing the fate of characters, or knowing who had to live and who was most likely to die. We had the exact same kind of situation with Revenge of the Sith, and to a degree the entire prequel trilogy....but no one will say Revenge of the Sith had a bad story or wasn't enjoyable, or that this was the issue with the prequels in general. This series is so disappointing, not only because it was written so poorly and didn't come close to what it had the potential to be, but because we finally got Hayden and Ewan back and this was the best Disney could muster. These two, and their characters, deserved so much better...especially Hayden.

As a long time fan the reason I gave it a firm 2 stars out of 5 is because realistically they couldn’t do much with any of the characters. There were no real stakes in the show, we know Luke/Leia can’t die/be harmed, making me already not having a reason to care about the story. It doesn’t help that reva was genuinely bad in the show, with how much money Disney has they should be able to get good writer’s. I really think if Disney is going to be successful in the future of Star Wars they need to do a series/movie either several hundred years before episode One or several hundred years after episode nine. I really want to be excited for Star Wars again but I think I won’t renew my Disney+ until mando season 3 releases or maybe BB season 2 premiers. Keep up the good work on the channel really enjoy the community that you have built!

5:30 - The flashback wasn't just to show that Anakin like's winning. The moments in that flashback mirrored the character's state of mind and who had the upper hand in the actual story. This part was actually relevant to the story, not just nostalgia bait.

I didn’t watch book of boba fett but I couldn’t sit through all of obi wan. The show felt cheap, the writing meh, no particular flair or style. Just felt very bland and that’s not what I want from obi-wan

I think OBIWAN should’ve been talking to a figment of Anakin during the course of the show, obviously these conversations would be happening in his mind, kinda like how Daredevil s3 Matt was talking to kingpin, but it was all a figment in his mind, I think doing this would allow Hayden to have more scenes of dialogue with Ewan, maybe at the start when OBIWAN wakes up in the cave he’s still in a dream but he walks out of the cave and there is standing Anakin and we get a scene of the two talking about things, more scenes of dialogue for Hayden, i would take things like this to get more Hayden, just more dialogue and character interacting to show how Hayden has come along way as an actor since the prequels, we just didn’t get enough in the show

Disney wants to build their own legacy in relation to Star Wars lore. So far they have failed in my view. They should have taken from the source material already available i.e the EU books. There are sooooooo many novels to chose from that would make a great story.

Honestly, I kinda liked it. I didn't think they ruined any characters or did anything offensive. And amping up the Force use/power level was pretty cool, doesn't make any sense... but it was cool. Edit: want to add I am SO HAPPY Hayden didn’t ruin it for me. I thought he did perfectly fine, which is all I needed. (Also, fixed a typo)

Chris Gore's point about the floppy cheap set chairs sums the whole thing up for me. Look a little past the popcorn moments and you'll soon see the cracks. The complete lack of care, respect and thought put into this project. Bobba Fett was clumsily bad, mostly sound intentions but the execution was all over the place. Obi-Wan was a different kind of bad, the really serious kind of bad, ignorant bad, the disrespectful kind of bad.

My favorite part was when Obi wan said “It’s over Darth! I have Obi Won!

First I've ti say this is the most balanced and smart channel I've ever found so far, regarding Star Wars. Great stuff and it feels just good listening to a very sane and relaxed guy and his partners. I think too, the show had great, intense moments but wasted a lot of time with an underwhelming plot overall. A good story doesn't need a high budget, even not in the SW universe. But SW has become a "show for kids with an attention span of a fly" as far as I see it. Which is quite unfortunate - for the actors as well, their skills are often wasted. I just don't get it - you just need to be a bit more creative alone and a little bit more serious about what you create. What is the effing problem? Everyone I personally know who liked/likes SW got it, it's not that hard really. It's quite an "old story" with great archetypes in a futuristic universe. But I guess those "film and show makers" just only see pictures. In pictures. Like boxes where another boxes are put in. Which also have boxes in them ... yeah. I'm out.