Yes. I need to include them in the next comparison!

Warren, good to have you here. Yes, the FIC is great. It’s nice hearing people with much more smarts and extras experience confirming what I have been taught and believe. So many voices saying so many different things.

Is Purina Proplan urinary cat food good for senior as well as adults

Thanks for the encouraging words. I will try and check out Open Farm.

Wow! Maybe you and I will still be around then! Would be interesting!

@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy And at the end of the six years, how many compainies ask for an extension!

I don’t have a list. Sorry!

Rugby, thanks for sharing! Awesome! Can’t ask for more than that!

David, allergies, even good sensitivities are tough to manage. Yeah, fancy marketing isn’t the answer. I hope the new diet helps!

Thanks for the reminder! RC used to put their wellness diets in their vet product book but today I realized they don’t anymore. And I couldn’t find actual nutrient levels on their website so I will call tomorrow and try and get some. I did do a comparison on RCs urinary diet vs Hills but to be fair that is one of their worst diets. They do very well in GI and Derm diets. Their mineral levels are very controlled in their renal food but I’ll be surprised if their wellness diets are lower than Hills. We’ll see. My personal opinion, influenced by the nutritionists, is that breed specific diets are more marketing than science. It’s in fact very effective, just like Indoor Cat. People love to personalize things. I see them very much like Purina, capable of doing great research and producing great diets but influenced by marketing pressures. Those companies are huge and extremely profitable. Hills is tiny and self limits their distribution. With RC maintenance foods over $100 a bag at Petco, I find it hard to believe I’m going to find a nutrient level worth that! But again, thanks for the reminder! Next video!

I know a few people in the industry who use it and are very happy with it.

Excessive phosphorus and calcium is harmful to kidneys over time and can increase risk of stones. It’s high because the meat sources are low in quality, full of bone, hair, hoof, dirt, etc.

It’s been a few years now but I fix a slide on Dog Chow, ONE, ProPlan and I remember showing vets there was little difference. Which is consistent with Purina’s position that they are all good. It just depends where you want to buy your food. Kinda lame answer but it’s what they always say.

I have been trying to get average analysis on an as fed basis from Purina for a variety of their Dog Chow without success. The only thing I learned is they are not doing any Animal feeding tests on Dog Chow currently. @@PetFoodPuzzleGuy

@@renee6708 just guessing high quality low mineral beef is expensive and it is one of the highest allergens for dogs. But just guessing. Did you watch the Zignature video yet?

Stephen, the bags will never have actual dry matter percentages. Some websites have them otherwise you have to call the company or email them.

@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy thanks. The website sadly just repeats what’s on the packaging - which I’m now learning is largely BS! … should have mentioned that I’m in the U.K. so the rules about what they have to tell us may be different. This is for a relatively new insect based kibble (long story!!) so there’s very little reliable info out there.

I haven’t done a review but Dr Rea @AnimalDocRea has a video going go thru the whole line. You should check it out.

I was impressed when I finally looked at the Iams dog and cat foods so I expect their Euk is good as well. Just remember it’s 20% fat so a pretty high calorie food.

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Sorry for the confusion. First of all there are no specific ranges in kcals that I know if. Dr Rea on her channel provides the ranges in Small Animal Nutrition in percentages. There is no gospel number but I love that the minerals, certain ones, reveal the quality of the diet. So since Science Diet is not deficient, and optimal according to their nutritionists, anything above that is getting excessive. Clearly some difference us fine, but as we’ve seen, the higher the protein the more excessive the minerals. Excess minerals can harm your pet over time. So my comparisons reveal who is formulating healthy nutrients and who is not. As in this video, my opinion of Iams was wrong. They appear almost as good as ProPlan! Or one could say they are providing good quality ingredients and nutrients at an affordable price. And what’s really frustrating is you have to call the company and many won’t tell you. So I’d say protein between 6 and 7.5 would be fine. And then I’d compare the calcium and phosphorus. By law, no one can be deficient so so far I have not found any lower than Science Diet, but we have definitely identified some bad ones. I hope that helps!

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@@abnerruiz1848 I understand your point. In my videos after these first ones I switch to nutrient dry matter basis and compare them to the recommended optimal ranges. But when you compare this way the point of extremely high minerals dies in fact reveal lower quality ingredients and less precision. I think you’ll like the newer comparisons though. Thanks for the feedback. I try and be as helpful as I can.

⁠​⁠@@PetFoodPuzzleGuyAwesome. Good to know that those numbers are on a dry matter basis. What are the optimal levels though? I was a tad confused being that I didn’t know what are those optimal levels. In other words if those are the dry matter numbers, is there a cap? Is there a minimum where it should land? I don’t know if I am explaining myself correctly 😊

Well, a few reasons. One, almost nine of them will have feeding trials. Two, looking at the mineral levels indicates meat quality and how healthy for the pet. Feeding trials are only ) months so the impact of the mineral excesses wouldn’t show up in blood work, unless they used renal patients. Feeding trials seem redundant to me fir companies line Purina, Hills, and RC, since they have been making trialed diets for decades. Only really unique formulas would it make sense, like vegetarian. For new companies with no experience, it makes more sense but hardly any new companies do anymore. And prescription diets GI way beyond feeding trials so pretty irrelevant with them.

@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy I understand that, yet Hill’s and ProPlan still perform feeding trials on most of their new OTC products. They have integrity and know where to spend their money.

Lisa, no disrespect taken. It’s actually a question I should address once in awhile as new folks find me. I was a veterinary rep for hills Pet Nutrition for 34 years. Things were a little different back then. Research and researchers were a big deal. I was taught personally by the v board certified vet nutritionists who made the discoveries and produced the diets. To be honest, sorties when these folks presented to practicing vets the language would go above my pay grade since I wasn’t a vet, but most was understandable. Some of these guys were Rick stars line add Morris and Dr Osborne at MN. So for decades I was immersed in all this. Since a dog lover, what better job spending every day in vet clinics or lectures? I learned all I could about Purina and RC because I wanted to know which was best. During this tie pet food marketing discovered America’s love their pets more than most of their human family and the misinformation and manipulation started. In one of my first videos I go through the marketing changes I watched over the years. So now retired, it’s hard to let it go. I hate to see people shamed and confused, simply because they love their pet so much. So my purpose is at least to expose people to how they are manipulated so they can try and make the best decisions for their pets health. No, I’m not a vet, but most of the vets I’ve trained have trusted my knowledge and experience. I have bias like everyone but I try and stay true to the nutrients, since that’s what matters. But your question is very valid! It should be asked more of people sharing their opinions on KZfaq!

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Shooter, yes, the standards are that low. And it’s so confusing that food companies will say they exceed AAFCO standards. That sounds good but what it really means is they are excessive beyond the recommended maximums. So unhealthy and reveals low quality ingredients! It’s really sad!

@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy We've fed our Toy Poodles Iams Small Breed (green bag) seemingly forever and they've all lived past 16 yrs. The Vet said our dogs seemed to be in good health, at least until their systems started failing in old age. Now, based on your video, I'm tempted to start using Hill's.

@@EpiLover well, sounds like Iams has served you well.

Gail, many people have those same feelings but first of all, as the video explains, there’s a big difference in the quality of these four diets. Second, over processed garbage really is an inaccurate description, again, as the video explains.

@@Unknown-hu4gf well, many dogs swallow their food without chewing and many dogs blessed with long life have few teeth often, yet do fine. But thanks for the feedback.

@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Just like I thought you wouldn't get the point. You're a salesman who doesn't understand the hard science and can only project. What degree makes you qualified to determine if a dog with few teeth is healthy and will do fine or has done fine... All you're good at is spinning context to fit your narrative.

@@Unknown-hu4gf well, I suppose we can give dogs dentures or implants, and of course orthodontics. Or do you have another solution? Not sure I need a degree to see geriatric dogs with few to no teeth thrive, even on therapeutic diets. Sounds like you’re a dentist!

@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy I know and work with many board certified veterinary dentists who are able and do do single or full dental implants and align teeth and bites all the time. And, yes your projecting is self evident that you're unqualified to make such assessments and need an advanced doctoral degree to come to the conclusion that you have about canine health and wellbeing. Like I've continued to proclaim your values don't align with animal well being which in my professional opinion makes you dangerous! Cancel Reply

@@Unknown-hu4gf wow! Well I appreciate your perspective. Do you have the same standard for folks who agree with you? I think you’re a bit overreacting to the value of a degree. Is there any particular statement I’ve made that you feel is dangerous. You are right though that I am just the messenger, sharing what I was taught and what I saw in vet clinics for over three decades. Hey, since you’re the specialist, what do you think of VOHC and Prescription Diet t/d? I realize I shouldn’t ask you since you don’t have any nutritional degree but curious.

Simple. Everyone is telling you that, whether it’s true or not or if they even believe it! It’s worthless to just join the crowd and tell you!