My only disagreement is the shallow Pop Socialism meets Sovereign Citizen take on legalisation. What I've been told by actual sex workers is that mere decriminalisation is often used as a venue to allow a loophole to keep cracking down on sex work, by instead of directly going after the sex workers coming down on their clients and banking providers for example. So, it leaves room for the same morality policing by proxy, the only thing it stops is direct revictimisation of sex workers when they are assaulted and report it. Now, I support decriminalisation (decriminalisation is urgent; criminalising what people do with theior bodies is a crime against humanity plain and simple, and deterring victims of violence to report crimes by criminalising them constitutes a de facto genocide), but seems only reasonable for it to be a necessary step for legalisation. Would iron mill workers be better off without the workplace safety regulations, no matter how lacking? Would the end consumers of steel be better off if the government didn't legally restrict the otherwise merely decriminalised unregulated market from using lead in their stainless steel alloys from which cutlery and drinking water tanks are made?

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All red-light districts are human trafficking markets👆💯

How Stella paid to get her groove back.

How come it can't be monetised? The content not appropriate for advertisers?

server/bartender here! Happens all the time. 😭 I genuinely like having positive interactions with people, but every now and then someone treats me like I’m a stock character in their life that exists to be a romantic/sexual interest. Obviously I try to be kind when someone hits on me or asks me out - but often it’s subtly dehumanizing. Ex. one older male regular *always* redirects conversation to something sexual with me (even when telling me about his dying father??).

I haven't yet worked as a server but my dad is a 69 year old bulky creep who constantly hits on young girls and women who are in service work while at their jobs. It fucking enrages me how he refuses to see how scared and uncomfortable they feel. And then he gets mad, angry and feels "betrayed" when they want say hello to him at the bus stop or accept the offer of walking them home. Jesus!!! I tried getting it into his thick skull that servers are forced to act polite and welcoming in spite of being harassed or stalked (him and his mates are regulars) but that's when he snaps, threatens physical violence and claims "(he) can't do anything right in (my) book". He's a sick man. And it's nausea inducing how many people like him there are.

@@iheartdelrey The comparison is not about having sex or not. It's about someone being paid to do their job. And the customer misinterpreting it as a romantic and/or a *non paid sexual relationship. When the worker, technically just needs the money for survival. Has to smile, be pleasant, adapt to the customer's mood. And pretend they're having a great time even if they are sad, scared, stressed out, annoyed, in mourning, etc.

Class consciousness conflicts with rich people's ego, so they choose the latter

@@halloweenallyearround4889 I feel bad for your mom

Absolutely same...

I feel like the people who made this movie are doing the “women doing typically misogynist acts is payback and payback equals equality and therefore must be inherently feminist” This movie feels like performative wokism by intellectually dishonest and talent devoid liberal writers… Liberalism is unwilling to change capitalism…capitalism relies on misogyny, nuclear family, binary gender, racism, queer phobia. Liberals can never be real allies.

One last point: Leo's race is also relevant because POC sex workers are more likely to face violence, be killed while working, and be abused by the police if they do try to come forward. So it is also relevant to discussions about real life sex work. To me it feels like the writers use him as a prop in multiple ways, one of which is racial.

Don't really have much to add, but want to signal boost, because this is dead on

the excuse would probably be representation... I think you're onto something. It's a "once you go black" fantasy.

If you change the genders nobody would be praising this film and calling it creepy

@@nezahuatez That's your opinion. The trope exists and this film fits into that.

Thank you for this comment!

The woke crowd is toxic and abhorrent. They loooove speaking for, and being offended on behalf of, literally everyone else on the planet, even when those people aren't bothered. Like every time a celebrity wears a kimono they scream cultural appropriation and act so offended, meanwhile actual people in actual japan are like "hurray, we're glad you're enjoying our culture" and the shops that sell kimonos, particularly those that target foreigners specifically, enjoy the extra business it gives them and wish all those people would shut the hell up because they are hurting japanese businesses with international customers. But wokeness is toxic and abhorrent. It can't stop being what it is. Too much repressed white guilt has made these people feel the need to white knight every single cause and issue, screaming over and completely silencing the people from those groups and communities who are trying to be heard. But they don't care, because it makes them feel better and pat themselves on the back thinking they're good people because they made strangers on the internet angry and believe it was a service to mankind and absolve them of their guilt or responsibility to take any meaningful action in the world. :>

I never understood how anyone could look at sex work as something somehow different than, well, _work_ It's put on this bizarre pedestal. There are down sides, but nobody is allowed to say that. Of course, sex workers are just people, and it can just be a job to some. It could be a really great thing to others. To yet others, it might be a harrowing piece of their life, it might feel terrible to do. Working at Walmart might be empowering for some, too, but trying to claim you can't say it's a slog would get you preverbally murdered.

​@@TheDrexxus REEEEEE, DUH WOKEISTS!!!!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@@riffsnoleads Yes, this is exactly how you look and why people think of you that way. The only point you're making is that people are correct to think of you as such. Personally, I don't do the whole internet tough guy nonsense because it is meaningless to me, so i'll just be blocking you and promptly forgetting you exist. You'll have to find someone else to fill the void of your life with by trying to get a rise out of them. Bye.

Sounds like any other retail job lol

The fact there is any expectation for sex workers to have attraction is so dehumanizing trying to control how someone feels.

I think clients need to tell this to themselves to be into it. Usually sex is about being desired and feeling wanted. Knowing the truth of being a chore doesn’t feel very hot so people tell this to themselves. It’s the customers fantasy.

@@zenpie5093 of course which is why we pretend for our clients

As a cis man with personal experience in the field, I can attest that things are a bit different for people with penises though, if they aren't "just" being penetrated, no erection required. I mean, okay, there's Cialis/Viagra/... but even that requires a base level of arousal to work. I guess some men can perform completely on imagination and projection alone but finding a client completely repulsive make it very difficult to do the job. So from that perspective, it's not all that far-fetched to assume at least some attraction. Or rather: It's important to find an attractive quality to focus on at least.

He’s black too

lmfaoo yall dragging feminism into everything just because a horrible woman is it doesnt it already have a bad reputation enough? like feminism. i dont know man. maybe bring it up when feminism is actual relevant and is a cause for something because god, just no

@@dessy0713 i would agree with you! However im terrified of baiting an argument and left it out bc of that

@@quirkyblackenby mixed more like.

@@rejectionisprotection4448 still black. they're not mutually exclusive terms.

That's super interesting!

Reading this gave me chills. Such a good point.

Completely agree

Interesting. Then why pick that job out of many other jobs ?

@@hjad2625 The Color Purple is a novel set in the deep American south in the early 1900s, there were no "many other jobs" for black women at that time (or a long while afterwards frankly).

That's great!

That's amazing!

It had done a lot of good, but it was a shame certain concessions were made to appease anti-immigration elements within NZ politics.

They still deport migrant sex workers for doing sex work if they’re not permanent residents or citizens. So the closest I can be to my family in Aotearoa is by living & working in Sydney :/

@@owgirl wow I didnt know that. Im so sorry it's like that still here.

Yes!!!

The way I look at it is that, like, for a lot of people, working retail sucks. If someone talks about that, that doesn't mean they think retail work is wrong, or that they hate retail workers, or think working in stores should be outlawed.

Im sorry, how do you expect people to be in favor of decriminalization or legalization without trying to legitimize the profession? the mainstream assumption is that SW isnt real work, so there HAS to be a counter arguement to that in order to advocate properly. EVERYONE knows sw isnt pretty, the first thing that comes out of peoples mouths when talking about it is trafficking. Why do we have to keep cycling through this tragedy porn in order to talk about people who actually enjoy the profession?

'Decriminalisation' was attempted in germany and trafficking went up 300%.

@@Ukraineaissance2014did you watch through the whole video? What’s happening in Germany is discussed and it isn’t decriminalisation, it’s legalisation.

_I had a history teacher in 11th grade dismiss all the boys in the class and lectured the girls about how 'it was almost springtime'_ What does "it's almost springtime" mean?

@@harrietpotter649 I assume OP's teacher meant the upcoming spring meant the weather would be getting warmer, so the girls would need to wear skirts

@@noheterotho179 Oh, so she meant it's literally almost springtime lol

@@noheterotho179 No that doesn't make sense in the comment it said they DIDNT want to wear shorts and skirts because it was "springtime" I'm pretty sure she thinks humans reproduce like animal where we have designated breeding times. 🤢

I expected body shaming, but that took a wild turn with the holocaust comment, like where do you even get an idea to say smth like this T _ T

Really a good boomer effort 😞

Agreed, just saw it yesterday, and it made me uncomfortable for the rest of the film.

True. That was creepy, and who tells a former student that she's sleeping with a sex worker? That was just silly and unrealistic and a bad take on "sisters are doing it for themselves." Still, I didn't hate the movie. Perhaps I should have, but the first part was really good. I wish that would have owned up to it.

I just don't like the context of this older female sexuality rep. If you swap genders, would people be praising it, or calling it creepy?

@@kit76149 Lol I mean, the title of this video is literally calling it creepy. So not sure what your point is

I was about to comment just that. I haven't watched this film, so I can't make a proper judgment on it; but the fetishisation of black/brown men by white women is something so overlooked it feels spiteful (not referring to Verily here, but to the people who actually write stories where that fetishisation is done). I recall only two series where that is somewhat touched upon - "Insecure" and "I May Destroy You" - yet even then in a rather shallow manner (and I've got some real beefs with how "I May Destroy You" treats Kwame but that's a subject for another rant lol).

@@RevanSurik exactly!! Especially with older white women. Like aren't there entire holidays for old white women to solicit young black men in.. I think the Caribbean? (similar to white men going to South East Asia). Now, I also haven't seen the movie in all fairness but even if they do address it, it can't have been especially well considering the rest of the movie as shown in this video.

@@kathylennerds750 I just watched Foreign Man in a Foreign Land's video about this specific thing, and I really recommend it as well as the discussion found in the comments! The video is called "The Caribbean Commodity of Flesh"

Just commented that it's the magical "black person" trope (can't say the actual name because of ban filter) and the light complexion softboy trope. FD the signifier has a couple video on it. EDIT: And foreign man.

@@grandsome1 💯... this white saviour old lady swoops in and validates this neglected note-figure and opts to save him, in exchange for his apparent special sexual knowledge and prowess 🙄🙄🙄 it's super problematic 🤮

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!!!!!!!!Yes!!!!!!!!!!

For me it was 2 things. The fact its what SW want and apparently being an emotional masochist, running into a project that compiled "customer reviews" of people that use sex workers, and then being an even bigger idiot and actually looking for these websites that are used to post reviews and read through them. Its not an excercize id recommend to anyone faint of heart or stomach. I will never looks at customers the same way (online sex work is a bit safer in that regard tho), I have no concerns in making anything better or easier for them, or relying on them. I swear just the amount of these men saying the girl looked like she might have been trafficked, but they "tried not to think about it" and then complain that "her heart wasnt in it" in the same breath is just... Rage inducing.

@@lilyleaf6502 I generally consider the Nordic model as decrim, but youre right decrim exists in various forms, and it absolutely should be adressed and talked about.

​@@lilyleaf6502 I used to be on board with Nordic model until i learned that it doesn't actually work all too well e.g. iirc its difficult to conduct business in a rented property bc your landlord can get done for pimping as well as a host of other stuff. But by the same token I'm hostile to this opinion that seems to be taking hold of society that sex work is just like working at tesco and that buying sex work comes with absolutely zero ethical ramifications that need to be considered. Coercing someone into performing sexual acts is considered one of the worst things a person can do. It confuses me, then, how it coming to be seen as benign when the machinations of the market and capitalism are the ones doing the coercing

I'm in the same boat xDD ...I hope she gets paid loads and loads because this is quality content

Craigslist’s adult personals stopping, and then when Backpage, and those sites were shut down, made work so much harder for sex workers. It made it more dangerous, it was harder to vet prospective clients, and to market oneself.

Is it okay if I ask how she passed away?

@@maheenm.k1015 A few years after she moved on from the escort business she developed a C. Diff infection, and unfortunately she didn't respond to the treatments. She was 33 when she passed.

@@ltleflrt I'm sorry about your friend's passing :-(

How 😂

The sets could have been influenced by covid and budget reasons. This was filmed during covid lockdown, and a lot of things filmed in that time period used as few settings and characters as possible. The film industry was very uncertain about how much ticket revenue they'd get back, so they were trying to keep the budget as low as possible as well as keep the actors safe and comply the the covid laws.

Not having seen the movie or the rest of this video essay, what I have to say will probably come off as pure wank; however, I implore you to hear me out. Because of things I've said and done in the past, I've similarly neglected to be mindful of someone's personal trauma and I would hope and want that person to be able to forgive me, even if I've not initiated contact after I realised that what I did was insensitive and just wrong. In the real world, I think that manifests as vowing to be more mindful and actually learning from your mistakes. The fact that this movie features forgiveness as a subtheme is pretty cool and I'd like to see more examples of this in entertainment.

I haven't heard of the original ideas for Pretty Woman, but it sound really interesting. Do you have a suggestion for where I could find more on that?

I'd like to hear him talk about American Gigolo and Pretty Woman. He's played both sides and I expect both were unrealistic.

@@marissaurias5116 If I remember correctly (and I may not be), in the original conception, Vivian was a coke addict, and the movie was supposed to end with Richard Gere literally kicking her out, throwing her to the street, and her and her friend taking a bus to Disneyland.

@@danawalter259 I like that ending better

That's so messed up. :(

Yes but we want humans not robots! Cashiers and waiters can be humanly empathetic and compassionate, and we can treat them as such. It is a conscious choice ofcourse. You don't have to be emotionally invested in a sex worker to bring yourself to treat them with as a spiritual being within a body. If sex doesn't have to be empowering, then it shouldn't be demeaning either. Not easy to find that perfect balance so why not lean more towards something that isn't sinister in nature. Eh!

The annoying thing about the human trafficking argument is that it doesn't actually listen to actual sex workers. Being able to report harm would let human trafficking victims report too. A lot of the people I see that are concerned about human trafficking with decriminalizing sex work have good intentions but are horribly misguided and refuse to listen to actual real life data and outcomes.

@@jessw8478 I still have my doubts about decriminalization being the 100% best option because, yes, sure, it is what the workers want, but society isn't that simple. There are reasons why we have systems to protect rights and enforce duties on people working in certain fields. At the same time, I understand that SW is entirely a personal thing and you don't need a degree for it but... eh, simple solutions aren't always the best. The stupid thing is a legalization that results in people being criminalized tho. It should be about ensuring the workers safety and, you know, taxes, not about damaging people livelihood and safety. I still support workers claim and they should be the one dictacting the push on governments, but their having personal experience doesn't mean they are 100% right about their decisions. Just look at how many in different fields of phyisical labor costantly disregard their own best interests for a reeason or another, or how the scientific community strictly relies on peer review to kick out people publishing stuff with obvious secondary interests. Should I trust that researcher saying their research si free from external influences because they say so?

I was definitely undereducated on this topic and honestly had no idea that there was a difference, but now that I’ve been informed I whole-heartedly support decriminalization.

​​​@@jessw8478'real life date outcomes' is when they attempted decriminalisation in germany trafficking increased 300%. When they introduced legalised zones in leeds, sex crimes in the area increased by 30%, violent crimes by 80% and 86% of the prostitutes working there were addicted to class A drugs. Eastern european trafficking gangs also appeared in the area. The law before let prostitutes report violence, trafficking and SA and for it to be prosecuted. There was never anything stopping that.

And then the cut away from “WHAT?” 😂😂😂

WHELP!

Yikes

you should add that we have much more liberal laws around sex work compared to the US

The way you write is amazing. Never change 💙

Yes, I 100% agree with you! I feel like more people are becoming aware of genital nonconcordance with vulva-owners, but not so much for people with penises. There’s a pervasive narrative that men can get hard for anything, that they always want sex, that a penis is always ready to go. And if they don’t get hard, or they don’t cum, then that means something about how their view their relationship. For Christ sakes, it’s a physiological response. An erect penis or unerect penis does not have to MEAN anything. Just like vulvas can’t always get wet, or they do during inopportune times. There’s tons of reasons why the body reacts the way it does, and it doesn’t do anyone a favor to start taking a bodily reaction personally. Nagasaki writes about genital concordance a lot in her book, “Come As You Are.” I highly recommend giving it a read. Understanding the implications of genital concordance is important for navigating our own personal lives, and even in the courts.

But she's an actor playing a character who does.

Such a good point!!

Yes, that's exactly what popped out to me as well!

Absolutely. Initially, you might be caught in this fog of "oh, this is a refreshing turnabout" -- until the drama comes to an ugly head at the midpoint, and it just became... impossible to root for this "relationship" lol. But it's clear that the writer/s think (or at least hope) that they're getting away with it by its conclusion.

Also this less threatening view dismisses the power dynamic of her being rich and white, and him being not as rich and black. And that is a big issue in feminism that isn't tought intersectionally... It's like some people only see women as uncapable of doing violence without regard that are so much more privileges wich a woman can have woch make her so much more powerfull than a man with less. And we even see this in trans exclusive "feminism" where they regard trans women as men just because... transphobia doesn't exist apperently, and then yes, amab people could only be the one holding power over cis women. I think that is a good example how dangerous it can get, if you only look at sexism (against afab people) and disregard everything else.

That reminds me of something similar (might eve be the English version), which is a tv series, with Billie Piper playing the main role, and Amy Winehouse's You Know I'm No Good as the theme song. I was actually a sex worker when I watched the series (about 12 years ago, hence the spotty memory), and I do recall enjoying it. It was also based on the memoir of a call girl (and the fact that it was based on something written by a sex worker was very obvious). I need to go find it and give it a rewatch, so thanks for reminding me of it.

Referências a Bruna Surfistinha no vlog da Verily, meu domingo tá feito

@@silveirona Brasileirando o rolê

Im techincally one of these people. I believe ultimately our goal should be to remove sex work completely. However, just legislation against sex workers is just harming the women, and removing sex work is not something to be done over night. Which is why imo, we need to strive for decriminalization, destigmatization and shifting as much power and protection for sex workers as possible to the sex workers themselves. While working on developing better social net systems that would provide proper support to the most vulnerable women, that most commonly end up in sex work due to being vulnerable in different ways. I cant fully get behind the super happy yay sex work is just a choice of career like any other one, its all lollipops and rainbows as long as everything is decriminalized or legislated, I honestly believe its inherently grueling, damaging work, especially from what ive seen from the vast majority of their "customers". But you dont help vulnerable women by criminalizing them or by just making everything legal and calling it a day.

@@BambiLena666 I get what you're saying but also that logic doesn't get applied to other professions. I worked customer service at a supermarket for 9 years to pay my way through uni, and it was pretty inherently gruelling and damaging work. I still get upset about some of the customer and manager interactions I had during that time (up to and including a literal physical assault by a customer towards the end), and my knees and back are a lot worse than they would have been if I had never done that work. The amount of mistreatment and verbal abuse my coworkers and I considered shitty but routine is legitimately shocking in hindsight. Still, people would consider it bizarre if I decided that supermarket work should be removed completely rather than supermarket workers should be treated better.

@@apocalypt_us7941 I am very sorry you went through that, obviously no one should work in such conditions ever, and that is absolutely something we should be fighting for. There are many reasons why these arent comparable, but I will only say two things, that I feel speak volumes. no one will traffic you in order to work customer service in a supermarket, and from the data we have, no amount of decriminalization and legalization prevents this. If I remember correctly the Netherlands even had an increase in trafficking victims being forced into sex work, since legalization. Secondly, none of the customers in the supermarket will leave a review under your name essentially saying "she looked like she was trafficked, very sad, cried, I tried not to think about it while I SAd her, tried to make the best of it, however would not recommend her, can get much better for that money". Mind you in a country where SW is legal and the customer would not suffer any consequences from reporting a possible trafficking gig. Edit: I also said I do believe the only way to get to eventually removing SW is by making conditions for the SW better, making sure they get treated better and get more protection. I am in no way opposed to this, like i said in my previous comment i believe this is always step one no matter what. Surely these two things should cause some pause and thought that these things arent comparable. SW is not simply work as any other. and trying to pretend it is doesnt help the workers, it only helps the users.

@@BambiLena666 Sure, but people do get trafficked for farm labour and domestic labour as well as other industries, and yet no one is trying to abolish growing vegetables to sell or paying people to clean your house. Every workplace should be a safe workplace, whether the work involves sex or not.

@@BambiLena666 Thank you for this.

Off on a tangent......In "50/50" Joseph Gordon Levitt plays a cancer patient who falls in love with his trainee psychotherapist (Anna Kendrick). Guys were saying that "they'd have cancer if they could get with Anna Kendrick" I don't think that they were joking.

Same. Verity is so good at scratching brain itches I didn't know I had lol

ooooooh you are so right. i dont know how i didnt put my finger on it earlier

In Spain the majority( 90% )of sex work is because of trafficking.

Pseudo liberalism

Writers and actors research heavily. And that happened with Leo Grande. If you blame the representation, then you'd have to blame the RL sex workers who guided this into creation.

Being marginalized doesn't give you a unique perspective that you can Lord others over. Stop acting like your burdens are so outside the realm of understanding.

If you want to learn more about the topic, you might like the Sex Work video by Philosophy Tube

@@SomeoneBeginingWithI uh Disagree big time. That video is super biased.

@@petalchild all videos on the subject are going to be very biased, no ones making videos about sex work while not caring one way or the other about sex work

@@petalchild Seconding that all videos on sex work are going to be biased, however I am also asking what video/s you would recommend instead?

Emma Thompson, then about in her early fifties, needed to be talked out of supporting Roman Polanski by a 19-year-old. Enough said?