Very good to know, this is good info thanks for sharing!

You gotta luv how people these days are happy and bragging when their brand new vehicle has no major issues at few thousand miles. Bro, you're buying a 60, 80k brand new car which shouldn't have any issues up to 100k miles except regular maintenance. I mean are standards and expectations really that low now?

What is the weight of the trailers you tow?

@@bretthines4257 The flat bed is about 1800lb + Jeep at 3800 =5600lbs The cargo trailer with SxS loaded for a week of camping/off roading about the same but you feel the wind pulling that box. Does a better job than my Tahoe's did also while towing.

Did you pay over msrp . Looking at Tahoes and yukons and dealers are asking 5000 over . I've seen 2023 wagoneers (not grand wagoneer) listed at starting around 64000 ,4x4, three row leather seating which is not to bad . Seems a better deal than the gms .

So glad you found it helpful Gary! Thanks very much for your feedback

That’s awesome, thanks for sharing! Now how do I get to that cash Grand Wagoneer purchase point in my life 😎

Eh, not really. Anything Mercedes always had 😈…

Thanks

@@DirtRoadTherapy hugely important to have real world experience to learn from beyond the day that Motor journalist typically get. Motor Trend can’t have every vehicle in their long term fleet so this is hugely beneficial. Your approach and tact is applauded as you were doing your best to choose your words wisely.

Great! Sounds like they’re working out the kinks and the feedback is making it to the production line. Very good to hear

My wife and I are going back and forth with the Wagoneer and Defender 130. I've watched just about every video out there on both and spent way too much time reading through the forums online. The Jeep is bigger and offers a decent amount more cargo space which is important to us, not so concerned about passenger space. I like the look of the Defender overall, but the Jeep's interior looks more comfortable and upscale less off-roady than the Defender. Both are very thirsty though and fuel prices don't look like they're dropping significantly anytime soon. Neither brand have a reputation for stellar reliability and that's unfortunately a big concern for us. Hopefully Jeep keeps improving their quality control, there's a lot of folks who regret buying the first year or two of the Wagoener/Grand Wagoneer judging by online forums. Some have little to no issues but plenty of buyers have had a frustrating experience especially given the price point of these vehicles. For now, we'll wait until we can test drive both and keep an eye on the build quality and reliability. Nice to hear from an owner who has had a positive experience with their Wagoneer, hope it continues!

Thanks for watching and for giving your insight! I hope your family is able to settle on a vehicle that is the right choice for you very soon.

That's very unnerving! With what others have said about the latest builds coming from the factory though, I don't think you have a whole lot to worry about beyond the issue your dealer is sorting through. Thankfully it manifested in something the dealer has to handle though, and not something after you took delivery. Let them do whatever is necessary and I think you'll be in the clear.

Thank you I’m sure it will get worked out and I am fortunate that I am able to purchase on employee pricing so I generally get a new vehicle every 24 months so if this does turn out to have some gremlins I will just be turning it back in and getting something else , but on a positive note my father-in-law drives the grand Wagoneer obsidian and we took it to Florida and back and it was absolutely a Cadillac ride very very comfortable vehicle so I am looking forward to getting behind the wheel once they work out this ECM issue

@@brianr1840 the downside is that this vehicle loses value faster than any I have seen. A Honda dealer has a 2022 GWIII with 57K miles for $49k. New it was over a $100. I rented one and loved it, but these issues scare me so much I may go with another Denali. I hope employee pricing saves you form taking a hit to the wallet.

Wow, thanks!

Time will tell!

What a headache. Buying many new cars is such a gamble these days I feel

Glad you love it! Is the Navi screen a subscription thing or a fault?

@@DirtRoadTherapy I believe a fault. Haven’t taken it in to get it looked at. I’ll bring it to their attention at my first oil change.

I asked Matt, he said they were part of the package. It was one of the early release package... Series 3 Off Road. He didn't actually select them. Hope that helps

It's in the convenience package on any series level

Thanks for sharing Dominic, that’s really unfortunate 😢

@@thegreatone11 I had positive equity on my suburban and my WS3 was 82k. My payments are only $700.

Thanks for the honest input, sorry to hear that!

I wondered what ppl were driving while the dealership works out the issues!

I think 18-22 is impressive. 13 average is pretty terrible though. Did you up size the tires or just go a little more aggressive?

@@DirtRoadTherapy the stocks are close to 33, the new ones are 33s, prolly a little heavier, but tbh, the mileage sucked when we bought it. We dont do a whole lot of highway so the general average is a little city biased, but when we take it on trips, the highway mileage is still a little dissapointing.

@@DirtRoadTherapy my 2020 ram with the regular 5.7 hemi without start stop gets wayyyy better fuel mileage. I ONLY drive it in town and it averages close to 17 mpg.

That sucks, I know a few people with the Ecodiesel and they're overall happy, but have had some issues. Unfortunately I feel the diesel Jeeps will have a short production run. I base that on both history of diesel Jeep models, as well as the fact that the markets are shifting away from diesel power in general.

I've got a 22 Ram 3500 Mega Diesel Limited...and it's flawless. At the same price point, it's amazing how much better the interior storage options, and electrical/computer items are on the Ram. I expected them to be virtually identical...and it's like 2 different companies built them.

@@breyerconstruct I honestly think that its competition. Jeep sells no matter what, meanwhile ram shares the market with true competition. I'd guess ram has a higher design priority over jeep in this space.

@@xerootg2641 solid comment! I switched over from running GMC Denali diesel trucks to Rams...and absolutely, there is solid competition and they are winning (que the screeching of your local Food fanboiz, LOL)

I can say that we are legally working through our options to no longer own our Wagoneer as well. It is the absolute nicest vehicle I have ever driven, but one of the worst vehicles I've ever owned. If that makes sense.

Makes sense to me and I am hoping everything works out for you guys!

@@breyerconstruct makes exact sense. My dealer hasn’t called me still about 2024 window which tells me all I need to know. He’s not interested in headaches and clearly there are still some out there.

Here’s what Matt said: “Wasn't available when I pre-ordered. Don't think the L was even confirmed as something that'd actually come to market until after we took delivery”

Correct. If we order another one, we would probably do the L just for the added storage space at the very back and the improved legroom on the third row

Excellent!

I’ve heard the I6 is very impressive and as a former 4.0 lover I am intrigued by I6’s making a comeback! I totally hear what you’re saying with the cargo/payload abilities. Would be nice if they had more options

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Why is that?

@@DirtRoadTherapy 4x4, v8, and lots of room. Would be nice. Only time until someone does something crazy with one of these

Like a fancy Lego

Hahaha Leage

@@hammerhagelin9144 glad my error could provide you some humor.

Don’t trade for a 2021 Escalade! The fuel module goes out and you are stuck. Ours went out at 21000 miles. We are on second battery. When they go out you can’t jump start these cars. It’s time to tow. Just a heads up. We were stranded 5 hours in the middle of nowhere with that fuel module in a heat wave!

Thanks for sharing!

Personally I’d give it another year for sure. The issues he’s having aren’t unheard of for first model year stuff, but it’s frustrating all the same

Don't write it off, but definitely drive it- and the competition. It sounds like they're getting the kinks worked out- not ideal for those who bought early (like us), but just chatting with our local dealer, they're getting fewer and fewer issues/complaints. (Ours is going back in for the loose headliner again, and the funky radio again. Hence the opportunity to chat up the dealer. LOL)

Just avoid the first model year.

He has seen 22 MPG with it 🤷🏽‍♂️

Hah yeah. I think I’m doomed to own old vehicles for life 😞

Sorry we missed the mark on that. As this was an interview style just following up on the owner’s experience, I overlooked having that metric nailed down. Also, still plenty of American made cars that have good fit and finish, especially in the >$70k price range

Sad to hear that Asif. I hope it gets resolved for you

That’s terrible! Did that happen to you?

Can aluminum rust 👀

@@srt8hmiify yes it can just check with the dealerships there replacing hoods all the time. I speak from experience.

@@srt8hmiify “rust” is metal corrosion/oxidation most commonly associated with iron or steel. Aluminum also corrodes and oxidizes so technically yes, aluminum can rust. When it happens it’s often structurally compromised more quickly than steel would be

I'm happy you found the review helpful! You are not the first to point out the typographical error in that title. Unfortunately I noticed them after the video went live, so there is nothing I can do now to edit. I did not seek an undergraduate degree in English, but come from a family of writers. Naturally, I find myself mentally correcting typos (such as the one in your comment) and understand your position on the subject. We truly are handicapped with technology like Autocorrect and surrounded by poor English and grammar from social media perpetually cheapening communication. I'm not sure if you meant to be condescending with the last bit. As a producer and editor, I can't help but encourage you to find better words to communicate that sentiment. Regardless, I'm going to assume you meant the best. Thanks for your comment.

Can’t get a whole lot longer term at this point unfortunately. If he keeps it for years I’ll be sure to continue doing videos. Thanks for watching Joel.

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Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!

He clearly did not enjoy this review

Different vehicles.