Wow that was some serious hardcore banter!! keep the good job guys! its awesome to show you all have different perceptions and views and likes on the vehicles

For a second there, I thought Tommy was wearing the red and black acoustical wall tiles…

Best back and forth BANTER on KZfaq!!!🤣🤣🤣

The Lincoln Navigator and the Ford Expedition you should do a review on

Toyota made a mistake with the Land Cruiser by making it more of a luxury SUV and making it less utilitarian and less capable. As result, the Land Cruiser is being cancelled due to a lack of sales, while the Jeep Wrangler has the best sales ever. Land Rover just made the same mistake with the Defender.

Love the back and forth dialogue, very genuine and refreshing take on things. Great farther son team!

The Armada has an LED light that lights up to show you that the phone is charging wirelessly and if you are driving you are supposed to see the notifications on screen and not on your phone while crashing into someone.

I like your videos my parents and I watch it my mom gets a good laugh when Tommy and Roman argue father and son arguments I get a good laugh at just for making some pointers keep up the good work. I live in New Jersey and my dealership just brought the brand new 2021 Ford Bronco not the baby Bronco but the full size one both were 4 doors and both soft tops one was a manual four cylinder and the other was a ten speed auto the manual was a Badlands in silver and the ten speed was a I believe it was a Outerbanks or Black diamond in Antimatter blue which my mom and I both like that color and it was Sasquatched

I have to agree with your Dad. I could NOT get comfortable in the Armada or QX80. The seat felt like it wouldn’t go back far enough, or lower far enough. My head was brushing the ceiling. I could not rest my elbow on the arm rests WHILE holding the steering wheel, on either side. I pulled the steering wheel all the way towards me, and adjusted the seat as far down and back as it would go and still couldn’t get it. How odd, given that it competes with vehicles with endless ranges of those respective adjustments.

Damn, you guys nailed that prediction about Tesla and Bitcoin!

Love the Roman Rants, truth🙏🏼🙌🏼

Roman is absolutely right about the Cruiser.

Looking at the Armada, but gm has built big suvs for a very long time. Iwould love a 6.2 liter.

One of my favorite episodes ever!!!

Video makes me want a diesel suburban, lol

Hilarious about the Armada. We recently had one as a rental for a 14 hr drive w/ a family of four. We loved it. Plush interior (black on black). Only downside was the lack of space behind the 3rd row. Room for carry-ons only. We would likely have the third row down in most situations because of that.

Roman is a MASTER interrupter!!!! Tommy is ultra patient🤦‍♂️

Based on Nathan’s music preference, I bet he’s been stacking Satoshis for years.

Ok guys let’s be real. Gas milage if you can afford the 80k price tag you really don’t care about fuel economy. Well unless you live in California where gas prices are astronomical

Thought I understand it’s not the most healthy thing, I enjoy the fact these two men are so passionate about cars. Tommy, I too had a father that thought everyone needed to agree with him. I feel for you.

If I were to rank every full-size SUV for sale currently (The new Wagoneer isn’t yet available, so I won’t rank it just yet), it would go like this: 1. Chevrolet Suburban and Tahoe: General Motors really knocked it out of the park with their new SUV redesigns. Their long overdue 4-Link independent rear suspension designs has dramatically improved their cargo capacities (Which are best in class) and legroom in all three rows of seating. I’m also so happy that General Motors has given their SUVs their own unique interiors (Which reminds me of the C8 Corvette with the instrument panel design, the push button shifter, and the way the screen integrates, all of which are very well executed) compared to their truck variants with higher quality materials and more exclusive content and features. I’m eager to see the updated Silverado and Sierra pickup getting the same updates as their SUVs. However, there are some subtle things that could be improved, like adaptive cruise only being available on Premier and High Country. It would be nice if it was offered on more trims. And lastly, while I really like the HD surround vision system, a physical button for the camera would be appreciated since accessing it through the infotainment can be a bit tedious. Towing capacity at 8,300 lbs for Suburban and 8,400 for the Tahoe are good towing ratings, but they reside at the lower end of the segment. Would be nice to have greater towing capacities like the other competition products. Minor missteps aside, everything else with the new Suburban and Tahoe’s interior space are really strong for the class, and should help them maintain their sales leader ship for years to come. 2. Ford Expedition: The current Expedition has aged well, and is a good overall full-size SUV product, but there are certain qualities of this vehicle that I find hard to accept in this segment. Firstly, it’s the surprisingly inadequate cargo space despite similar specs and dimensions to other full size SUV products, an important aspect for full-size SUVs that Ford really screwed up with the current Expedition in my view. Some short wheelbase full-size SUVs offer more usable space behind the first row than even the Expedition Max (Most likely due to Ford carrying over their old 5 link rear suspension and how they’ve packaged into the rear frame rails creating an insufficient interior for max cargo room). The last issue that I have with the current Expedition is some of the interior quality.. In a segment that’s getting very competitive (Look at the new Suburban and upcoming Wagoneer), it is hard for me to accept that Ford, with some of the best engineers in the world (Look at the new Bronco and F-150) could’ve given the new Expedition a really impressive, fully SUV specific cabin with substantial cargo room gains as well as top quality materials, but they’re actually ok just copying and pasting instrument panel designs from their previous F-150 truck interiors with gumball feeling plastics into its interior space, particularly at its price point in the low 70s to 80 thousand dollars for the top trim versions. Ford hasn’t gone far enough with differentiating the Expedition’s interior from the previous F-150, and has the worst interior of the three domestic full-size SUV brands (General Motors, Stellantis, and Ford) in regards to interior build quality and cargo capacity. Most of the cargo volume and build quality issues won’t be addressed with the upcoming mid-cycle refresh for 2022. 3. Nissan Armada: I’m glad Nissan is given the Armada more attention for the 2021 MY with its refresh. While it’s towing rating of 8,500lbs is at the high end of the full-size segment, it’s cargo capacity is not (In fact, the smallest in the segment now at 95.4 cubic feet behind the first row). I agree with Roman on front seat comfort. It’s surprisingly inadequate room in the first row is an issue that other products in this class do not have that issue, not to mention 3rd row space is also the smallest in class at 28.4 inches. The updates to the current version are good, but not enough to compete with the newer domestic competition products. 4. Toyota Sequoia: There aren’t a lot of reasons to choose the current Sequoia over the newer domestic competition products (Reliability aside). While cargo room is at the higher end of the segment at 120.8 cubic feet behind the first row, towing capacity is the smallest in its class at 7,400 pounds. Fuel economy is also the worst in segment as well at 13 city, 17 highway and 14 combined. Until the Sequoia gets its long overdue redesign, its best to look at the newer options in the class. Once the new Jeep Wagoneer goes on sale and I test it out in person, I’ll update my current Full-size SUV rankings list to see how it compares to the other products in the class. It looks like a really promising option in the segment, especially with its high end interior space and 10,000lb towing capacity.

Great segment. One thing about Toyota, their tech is weak and outdated . I use a lot of rental vehicles for work and always get stuck in Toyotas. They have the worst tech from radio, Bluetooth etc. Grossly outdated even in their newest vehicles.

I’m glad you can still get 9 seats in the GM full-size SUVs which no other full size SUV offers. More full size should really bring back the 9 seat configurations

Tahoe diesel wins on mpg alone.

Thanks for the podcast guys. I enjoyed the banter between Roman and Tommy, but I have to agree with Roman, that front seat space in the Armada *should* be a non-issue. Imagine if the Defender had the Land Cruiser's reliability. LR wouldn't be able to make them fast enough.

Roman, I'm with you on being frustrated with "full-sized," big ass vehicles not having room in the driver's seat for folks who are taller than the average. IMO, there is no excuse for having an SUV as big as these are, yet I have to contort my back, whack my head on low door frames, and sit with my knees in the dashboard. Why? Because smaller folks want the seat to ride high to emphasize the view looking down on lesser vehicles. SMH

The only full-size SUV's available here in Sweden (grey imports excluded) are the BMW X7 and Mercedes GLS. No big sellers exactly.... * And Toyota Land Cruiser

It be interesting to see who comes out on top when TFL has all 3 North American full size luxury SUVs in the office at the same time 2022 Jeep Grand Wagoneer vs 2022 Cadillac Escalade vs 2022 Lincoln Navigator for a full MPG test and a IKE Gauntlet test how well they are at carry a full 7 people place a big dog I wonder why Jeep did not have the 2022 Jeep Grand Wagoneer at Easter Jeep Safari is BACK! 2021 for off road driving

I don't understand the general lack of love for the Toyota Landcruiser in America. Last month Toyota sold over 2500 units in Australia - it was the 4th best selling vehicle in the country

I see Roman’s yelling as usual.

Why is Tommy wearing wall camo?

Also the fact that electric cars have to run 17+ years in order to offset a petroleum vehicle. Unfortunately I don’t think a battery pack will last that long then we have to consider the impact of disposing of those batteries and no they are not a 100% recyclable. Wish they would continue developing the bio gas / methane. We produce it anyways and science agrees I needs to be burned off to be safe. Unfortunately free energy or very close to free energy won’t happen because the lack of profit or manipulation of stocks.

Hope SWB GC has side pressing lines like current GC rather than flat slab sided LWB brick styling.

I have to agree with Tommy. No one wants a vehicle that's dead on the side of the road all the time no matter how good it looks.

With the electronic's technology and room in the Tahoe / Suburban people will want to camp in the vehicle instead of out when in the wilderness.

Musk wasn’t the founder of Tesla.

man I came for the review of the wagoneer I'm so sold on you guys bahhahahqqhhq

Tommy, votre accent Français est parfait! Vive la Citroën.

Will there be an off road variant of the Wagoneer?

I 100% disagree with Roman on the 2021 Armada. I’m a bigger guy, 6’5” and 265. Handles really well. The motor and transmission are seamless and tons of power! I think Tommy is spot on. We almost bought a Duramax Denali, but the Denali was quite boring. However, at the end of the day I saved about $16k buying the SL. One of the major things missing from the Denali was the radar cruise control. All my cars have it and it makes a huge difference on long trips. Also, the 360 cameras are fantastic! I’ve always said they aren’t needed, but now that I have it I love it!

I would like to see a Bronco sport or you call it baby Bronco compare it to the Escape

Ford Expedition FX4.

Dude Armada's are the best !!!...I get it, 3rd row, gas is not the best..but that Engine holds its own, especially if you race.. please use 7 speed Manuel when racing with this Suv ( stock) ..Please this Armada rocks!! ..check for videos on hard-core trails for 2017 Armada

You both said Excursion twice but never mention the expedition built on what essentially is an F250 could get it and gas or diesel

With the high gas prices l take the F0RD Maverick truck

C'mon Roman. 40:05 mark, missing that excellent opportunity for a throwback Ford ad slogan. "We haven't driven a Ford in a long time" don't you remember the old "Have driven a Ford lately" ads. Let the Boomer flow through you. GOBBLESS.

This should be a Joe Rogan topic

You both make compelling arguments on the issues with the Nissan armada, but seriously Roman, I think you are trying to hard to hate in Nissan, just like the world does! If it had a different brand name on the front, your mind would see it a bit different! The one thing about the Armada, and Titan for most folks, isn't the standard issues brought up, but the fact that it's still ridiculously expensive for vehicles that market to the budget minded consumer! Love the channels guys, love the content, and speaking for truck drivers everywhere, you keep us informed, and entertained out here! Keep up the good work, all you guys over at TFL!

"Nobody wants a discovery" - Well, actually, my wife doesn't like the way the "boxy" defender looks, so we're shopping disco's. Also my local LR dealer has 3 defenders on the lot right now.

out of those i would have to say Toyota Land Cruiser or Defender since you did not do the Exp[edition..

Man the armada is short on front legroom I don't get it. I really wanted one of these but I kept trying to push the seat back then I realize that's it. All their smaller vehicles have way more front legroom than there biggest vehicle it's crazy and I honestly do not get it

Also someone who was working at the Bronco event actually met you guys a couple years ago my mom said she was talking to him

When you're buddy tows you out in his jeep you'll switch

sequoia is from Texas

buying X7 instead of a Land Cruiser?! You must be kidding me, Tommy!

Hi

Does Tesla's charging stations come from renewable energy!? Most probably not.

The Ford Expedition is the best. Hilarious that Roman can't even remember driving it. Instead, they do a comparison without considering the best one.

I disagree Roman. I would not hesitate to buy a first year new design new engine transmission LEXUS at all! Nissan's aren't exactly pillars of reliability either but yes tried and true endurance V8 is a stout motor. Say what you will about the defender being a first year this or that, Land Rover has EARNED their reputation for off road worthiness and there is no arguing that..... but they have also EARNED in the same way LEXUS has, their reputation of reliability or lack there of. It's based off decades of real world long term and short term consistent data. One is great and one is awful. You better have a lot of money, time and love loaner cars if you buy a Landover anything. For some people it's simply worth the headaches to drive an unreliable vehicle that's fun and looks amazing , just like BMW, Mercedes audi and vw owners.... its not to me.

Chevy Tahoe with the 3.0L Duramax all the way!

Jeep wagoner is where it’s at

Just wondering, can Tommy scroll through those computer screen shots any faster?

I’m agree with Tommy about the Defender. If it is so good, I’d love to see a group of new Defenders going through a challenge like the Camel Trophy in Kalimantan…

Roman seems to have a bias opinion about what vehicles he likes, I feel like there were more vehicles to discuss in this category and even getting into specific differences between the GM line (which gets better Fuel MPG than most for its size)

The Chev 3.0 litre duramax diesel has a belt driven oil pump, not a good engine design IMO.

Jeep is making the best big SUV to

Thanks for bringing up bitcoin issue and Musk's unfortunate sellout.

I love listening to a different point of view about vehicles I'm interested in. I'm really surprised at the two of you arguing about the Armada as though you were back in high school. Okay, you don't like the Nissan's BIG ASS SUV. Great! Move on for heaven's sake! Not kool guys.

Talking about electric power for charging vehicles might be very appropriate for you to talk about since you talked about computer power consumption. Research where electric power comes from in the USA. Discuss electric vehicle charging and how that is going to increase the electric consumption of which the majority comes from burning fossil fuels.

Is that why a single bitcoin is 20k dollars?

Felt like an argument at the dinner table. Point out the positives and negatives and then move along. The bitching session about the Nissan was tough to listen to guys, and I'm not even defending the Armada

Grand Wagoneer all the way!!

Agreed. People would and are going to buy the Nissan way more than a Land Rover. Nissan knows how to market, do the leasing and offers. Theyre going to be aggressive to sell. Even with Nissan’s shady quality experience, the Nissan would be cheaper to fix than the Land Rover.

I thought you guys said TFL wasn't political? What's with the attack on Bitcoin? If you don't trust non stop paper money printing, then buy gold and Bitcoin and property. Some free advice. Since we are getting political. Right TFL?

You've got it wrong about BTC.....You'd have to compare mining with say the us dollars .....du know how much energy that consumes ?.....the tag is all of us defens industry plus the armed forces budget....dont forget the costs of all the wars that we have incurred since BTC mining which is since 2009

Just chevy overthinking ass always

Bitcoin and other cryptos are super inefficient, there are other crypto that are FAR more green

Suburban and tahoe- Best of the Best!

Land Cruiser

all gasoline vehicles use gas. land cruiser #1 sequoia #2

So this episode started out OK and informative, but went off the rails as soon as the Nissan was brought up. Roman - just shut up already!! If this is the kind of stuff you're going to produce as a KZfaq video, then I may no longer watch any TFL channels. I'm tired of the balanced comparisons turning into outright arguments and bickering.

Armada is UGLY cheap looking. ALL the GMC to much plastic. I would buy a Defender over a GM product any day.

If you consider yourself journalists, do your own research on bitcoin mining. Anybody can focus on, inflate, and dramatize the negative side of a debate to form an untruthful narrative on a topic. That's what Mahr does. It's what cancel culture is. Hopefully TFL will be better at reporting facts than this in the future. Clearly Roman doesn't know what he is talking about concerning bitcoin mining. Stick to reporting on what you know.