Don't Cramp My EQ Style

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3 жыл бұрын

In which I explain digital EQ cramping briefly and succinctly, without making you watch a long tedious EQ comparison video just to get that info; and I speculate as to possible ways to decramp an EQ without resorting to oversampling.
And while I'm at it, let's clear up this confusion about Natural Phase mode in Pro-Q3.
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@Whiteseastudio 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome timing! Great explanation as always! Love this channel 😊

@queenpurple8433 3 жыл бұрын

I was gonna say, seems like he uploaded this right after your video!

@tgoodjenkins 3 жыл бұрын

A lot less "I can't describe what this knob is doing but it's doing something" than on your channel. I feel I actually learn things here.

@honeywellparts7541 2 жыл бұрын

Not snake oil at all 😅

@RedMeansRecording 3 жыл бұрын

How is it I feel like I'm being told an amazing bedtime story but also learning a shit ton about audio. Thanks for your stuff, Dan :)

@fjkldhakljf 3 жыл бұрын

He is on fire lately please keep up the great work

@michaelgraflmusic 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks again for being that KZfaq audio engineering guy with adequate technical knowledge and a good load of common sense. Whenever I feel overwhelmed by cognitive dissonance I can watch one of your videos and feel a sudden sense of relief.

@nikolaudio 3 жыл бұрын

I’m just happy you’ve been posting more than usual

@jlc5271 3 жыл бұрын

Deadnau5?

@nikolaudio 3 жыл бұрын

@@jlc5271 :D

@auriplane 2 жыл бұрын

Melda's MEqualizer plugin is a six-band EQ which, by default, has four "Peak" bands which cramp. You can change them to "Peak analog", which don't cramp. You can change the default so it starts with "Peak analog" bands instead, so that's what I did.

@anteshell 3 жыл бұрын

Gotta admit, you were the first thing to come into my mind too when I saw that White Sea Studio's video.

@adamb8657 3 жыл бұрын

I recently discovered this channel and I can tell this is going to be my main source of digital audio app reviews. Because 'reasons'

@sokoleski 2 жыл бұрын

exactly.... 'reasons'

@albiss1164 2 жыл бұрын

👍

@LeonardoLima-nk4fv 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice, short! (thats one of the reasons I love shelfs more than bells on the "edges")

@michal.ochedowski 3 жыл бұрын

Once again we have the privilege to listen to some casually delivered awesomeness.

@eyeball226 3 жыл бұрын

Well this is timely. I only just found out about the cramping from your ReaEQ/Pro-Q3 comparison a couple of days ago.

@thomasjeffery 3 жыл бұрын

I find your videos incredibly informative and very entertaining please keep up the good work

@shinyukomusic 3 жыл бұрын

Perfect and precise, as usual.

@sebprovision 3 жыл бұрын

Good presentations Dan. Thank you for the content.

@alexthi 3 жыл бұрын

Matching the shape of an analog second-order filter with a digital one is a quite interesting topic. I think it likely that fabfilter's EQ uses a biquad digital filter (and not the combination of a peak and a shelf), but designed with another technique than bilinear transform. The Wikipedia page of "Digital biquad filters" links to a very interesting document called "Matched Second Order Digital Filters" discussing several of those techniques.

@luisferd3319 Ай бұрын

Thank you so much Dan! I appreciate the help

@Googahgee 3 жыл бұрын

Three videos in a row? This is amazing!!

@jasonzdora 3 жыл бұрын

Like a boss. A kind, helpful, nurturing boss!

@palebluedotstudios 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! Thanks Dan!

@tartee3796 3 жыл бұрын

I'm your top fan since the first time I had watched your video.Thank you so much.

@JimGriffOne 3 жыл бұрын

I also have problems with the BLT. I can understand those - both of them. Love your humour Dan. 😅

@bildjan 3 жыл бұрын

Loving these videos, Would love to see some more vids about analog gear too (thermionic, neve portico etc...)

@edmasters4454 3 жыл бұрын

Good timing - saw the Snake Oil video where he was confused about cramping. Thought to myself... he needs a refresher from Dan. And here it is.

@paulricketts10 3 жыл бұрын

Sorry about misspelling your name on White Sea Studio comments section. I was lazy and copied it from the comment below. But you gave us/me the opportunity to watch a White Sea Studio video and know more about a music production issue than Wytse. It will never happen again - so thank you

@DamnHeadHumpers 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! My simple pleb mind grows stronger from absorbing strength from Dan's videos.

@paolomotta900 3 жыл бұрын

That is just spot on. Thank you!

@bontempo1271 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Dan !

@hujaboy 3 жыл бұрын

love your videos. thanks

@MustacheVerra 3 жыл бұрын

I was wondering about that. Thanks a lot.

@tommygodfrey6873 3 жыл бұрын

I am happy to have discovered your channel

@olofolofsson8544 3 жыл бұрын

Great as usual. Please do a definitive guide to daw gain structure considerations.

@isaacjohnklein Жыл бұрын

I would be honored to record and edit Dan's vocals for one of his tutorial videos one day. This man is a living legend.

@honved1 3 жыл бұрын

I honestly thought I was listening to Simon Farnaby (Actor) explaining EQ, you sound exactly like him. Great videos.

@lucamess6191 3 жыл бұрын

thank you dan

@emiel333 3 жыл бұрын

Lovely 😊 I’ve subscribed to your channel.

@shinemastering 3 жыл бұрын

Love this! didn't understand a single word of it, but i loved it nonetheless..

@tbainbridge 2 жыл бұрын

If I did this correctly, I just tested Izotope Neutron 3 Advanced EQ, and it doesn't cramp either. Thanks for the video.

@dirkchurlish4074 3 жыл бұрын

Hi and welcome back...? translation: looking foward to your next video :)

@mixenne 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome stuff! Would love to see you test the JS: RBJ Highpass/Lowpass Filters effect in Reaper. I wonder if it's any worse or better than ReaEQ.

@albiss1164 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Professor Worrall :)

@donkeyfacekilla1 3 жыл бұрын

Loving the new rate of episode drops! The world need more of your excellent vids!

@tremolux6315 3 жыл бұрын

Id love to see a video about your approach to EQ. What to listen for? Where to start? EQ in solo? Boost and sweep for resonances? etc... There is some videos about this subject...but most I find useless or even missleading. A wide field of uncertainty 😊

@nichttuntun3364 3 жыл бұрын

fundamentals / tonal center / attack-frequencies / harmonic frequencies -> and listen to how the EQ moves change the listening perception of other playing elements in a group or mix, while you dial in something. learn shifting up or down with EQ in a mix context to place elements to sit. practice this a lot and you´re good to go for advanced stuff :) don´t worry too much about scientific stuff. simple basic EQ-ing well done is hard enough in the beginning.

@joost3783 3 жыл бұрын

Dude I would really like to learn more about how to read those plugindoctor graphs (like hammerstein etc.) Would be an interesting subject and an opportunity to debunk some more pricey sh**. Thanks as always great stuff

@vicnest 3 жыл бұрын

Cool, Natural Phase demystified.

@rickmcguire1761 3 жыл бұрын

One day I’ll be able to inject Dan’s tutorials into my blood stream

@disklamer 2 жыл бұрын

3:31... “Reasons”... made my day

@josephparry Жыл бұрын

I can’t believe it’s taken me literally years to see that Dan’s logo isn’t just a cool shaped green thing and is actually a DW..

@cmd_f5 2 жыл бұрын

You gotta do some audiobook narration's. Such a great voice

@luckyknot 3 жыл бұрын

Too advanced for me yet but ey, I would listen to Dan's voice in loop for ages xD

@saltdroid 3 жыл бұрын

video was short and sweet

@AftertuneMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Wow a real engennier

@bitdecanter4751 3 жыл бұрын

how many PHDs do you have? or at what stage in the game did you enable 'god mode' ?

@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't even know how to spell PhD.

@jacksmith4460 3 жыл бұрын

@@DanWorrall lool I see what you did there

@hansdampf7397 3 жыл бұрын

Rumors say he is about 200 years old and was there even before the music industry existed. Therefore he knows everything...

@G_handle 3 жыл бұрын

@@hansdampf7397 Not Rumor, Legend.

@woulg 2 жыл бұрын

There's a good book about this if you're curious, it's called "the art of VA filter design" by Vadim zavalishin. The math is pretty hardcore but if you take your time with it and just try to understand the idea behind the equations n shit it can really help to understand this stuff :) chapter 3 is the one that explains the bilinear transform and cramping and stuff.

@ayushmanthapa_onion 3 жыл бұрын

nice video dan worra

@Devdiad 8 ай бұрын

Yoda Jedi master knowledge level here!

@firmans12 3 жыл бұрын

Cool probably that's why pro q3 in zero latency mode the high boost isn't as sweet as the other eq. I should try natural phase

@Hardjaxl 3 жыл бұрын

Hooray!

@G_handle 3 жыл бұрын

The Dan Worrall Rapid Response Team of One!

@Gortmend 3 жыл бұрын

Anyone taking bets for how long it takes Reaper to add a highshelf/no cramping button to ReaEQ?

@user-zr2pz8rr2l 3 жыл бұрын

I don"t understand how you can dislike Dan's tutorials.

@blankspace0000 3 жыл бұрын

Most based pro audio youtube channel

@shadowminer9439 3 жыл бұрын

I dont know why but the melda production MAutoDynamicEQ sounds a lot better than the pro q in low latency, it would be nice you you could run a test on it

@boimesa8190 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@XCenturionX 3 жыл бұрын

Genius...

@insertanynameyouwant5311 3 жыл бұрын

have you used Izotope Eq? I have the one from Elements, wonder if it creates different curves from Fab Filter

@unknownmusicman 7 ай бұрын

Dan Worrall makes me realize how little I actually know about audio engineering

@Zelectrocutica 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Dan, I'm come from your "What's Wrong With Stock Plugins?" series. Do you have time to take a look at cakewalk bandlab stock plugins? There is 2 stock EQ, first one is pro channel EQ with 4 bands, 2filters and another ancient one, the sonitus EQ.

@Melodyweavr1105 3 жыл бұрын

Dan, I have to say if there's anyone that could properly explain the differences between linear and exponential FM, FM and PM, what sidebands are, and all that jazz, it just might be you. Do you happen to have knowledge on such things? Thanks for all you do, these videos are some of the best plain language explanations of technical topics I've ever seen, you're an inspiration.

@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын

I'm not qualified to explain the mathematical differences. But practical tips are probably more useful... I have some useful FM synthesis tips (PM I mean) to share, but I haven't so far been able to decide on a synth to use. I looked at Dexed hoping to be able to use a freebie, but the interface is a bit daunting. I mostly use Falcon for those types of presets these days, but that might exclude too many users. I also considered patching stuff in Reaktor or similar to show signal flow between operators. But I haven't really decided on an approach yet...

@Melodyweavr1105 3 жыл бұрын

@@DanWorrall I've heard that phaseplant is pretty well regarded as a nice general purpose FM synth, and of course there's nothing wrong with the good old FM8 in my opinion! Thanks for the reply, and I look forward to the video if it ever comes to be!

@sq7507 Жыл бұрын

@@DanWorrall what about Vital? It's free and it's an awesome synth for FM!

@15bleach51 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, how about ProEQ from StudioOne?

@georgearrows7701 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Dan, I'm binging on your videos right now after discovering you through the Fabfilter ones. :) In the bx console video you mention the belief some people have that analog EQ emulations are just like digital EQs with an analog interface slapped on top and with different EQ shapes. I am still on the fence about this. I only ever use Q3 as my EQ but am wondering whether I am missing out on some "flavor" by not trying analog emulations more extensively. What I am really curious about is, are there any differences if the EQs null as you show them to? Thanks! :)

@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын

If two EQs null perfectly, then they sound the same. No room for argument, I don't believe in magic: if the numbers are the same, its the same. However, none of my null tests quite nulled perfectly. So that means we need to make a judgement call. If the null is better than 100dB at all frequencies, safe to say noone will be able to hear the difference. But as the differences become greater, the certainty that they won't matter diminishes. When there are differences, but they're quite small, the only way to judge if the difference is truly audible is via blind testing.

@georgearrows7701 3 жыл бұрын

@@DanWorrall Thanks so much!

@jamesberry5968 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Dan, is there anywhere we can listen to your tracks, assuming you’re behind what’s playing in the background on these videos, only they’re catchy, and often create a great blend between future and traditional.

@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын

If I've not credited someone else specifically then it's me. I'm planning an EP release of a few tunes I've made for tutorials; watch this space...

@NathanNoodles 3 жыл бұрын

So how would the phase be corrected like in natural phase mode of the fab filter plugin?

@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын

I'd guess an FIR filter to correct the phase. But that's just a guess

@eternalstudios4749 3 жыл бұрын

What plug-in do you use to analyse these differences? I’m currently trying to see if I can replace the Pro Tool EQ III and I’m struggling to do so, this could really help me. Funnily enough, it is a high shelf from 6k at about 9db that I use which I can’t seem to replicate, so I have a feeling that cramping may be part of the reason why. Thank you.

@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын

ddmf.eu/plugindoctor/

@eternalstudios4749 3 жыл бұрын

@@DanWorrall thank you very much for taking the time to respond.

@ahw5hcgfyj 3 жыл бұрын

You are the David Attenborough of Audio Engineering

@RidtheXS 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Dan, I am considering buying timeless 3 or relayer, which one would you suggest as the ultimate delay plugin? And also which one is more intuitive to use and helps you achieve creative effects? Thanks

@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын

They're both really good. Honestly I would suggest you demo both and buy the one that inspires you more.

@RidtheXS 3 жыл бұрын

@@DanWorrall that's more than fair haha, will do once I find more time. Which one do reach for more often? Maybe it will be the one I try first.

@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын

Timeless 3 if I'm honest. But for some things, like rhythmic multi tap patterns or big coarse reverbs, Relayer arguably has the edge.

@ertugrullgul 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Dan, I love your videos. I have a question, if you could answer I'll be really happy. Lets say we master a stereo track and not using any parallel processing. Assuming (and believing) we can't understand phase shifts over a stereo file and also we know linear phase can cause audible pre-ringing at lower frequencies with high q and gain values, is there any point of using a linear phase eq? Also I'm curious about the same thing between minimum phase and natural phase eqs. Why should I prefer one over another if we can't perceive phase shifts in a single stereo file? Additionaly I think phase shifts shouldn't be so noticable at high frequencies near the nyquist and also I realized a little pre-ring in natural phase eq's at high frequencies in plugin doctor's IR analyzer. I think it shouldn't be noticable too but I still wonder is it worth it to choose it over a standard minimum phase eq?

@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын

It's dangerous to say we can't perceive phase shifts. Usually we can't, but sometimes we can. And we're super sensitive to tiny phase differences between L&R... That said, often I can't hear a difference between ZL and NP, and when I can I'm often not confident I could pick them apart in a blind test. But when I have heard a difference I've so far always preferred NP.

@ertugrullgul 3 жыл бұрын

@@DanWorrall Thanks for your answer. You're right, theoretically there should be a difference between channels when processing L&R or M/S channels seperately but in my scenario I'm talking about only stereo processing and I know modern digital eq plugins can process L&R channels exactly the same, so there shouldn't be any difference in phase coherence. I can say that because I tried an all pass filter (as we know it only affects the phase response) with a stereo file and couldn't hear any difference.

@SuperIZL 3 жыл бұрын

Dan!!!!

@dimapoliakov 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Dan! I have a video request. You know there are a lot of topics like best sounding DAW, Eq. We all proved that the PRINTED results nulls each other. But a lot of people including myself hear the difference between: a) PLAYBACK of the same file in a different DAWs; b) switching different Eqs with the same parameters (that nulls each other with phase flip, but on the same track they sound different especially in high-end). I couldn't tell why, probably, there should be programmer perspective be involved. Maybe it's codecs or internal processing of the plugins while playback. I think key here is bounced calculations vs actual playback. Would be great to hear your opinion. ---------------------------------- And here are some quotes from members of a gearspace: robshrock I asked this same question not too long ago... aren't all digital EQs pretty damn similar? The answer: nope. But you'd need to chat with a serious coder to get into the how's and why's... beyond my interest level to fully understand from a programmer's POV. MogwaiBoy I've done blindtests between Crave and Pro-Q. Knowing the Q values differed, I matched settings (Digital / Analog / Transparent / Natural Phase etc) exactly in Plugindoctor, then put them back into the DAW and exported various tests, doing blind A/B's between them. Crave has more clarity than Pro-Q 2/3. You might say "they're both digital EQs, they are the same just different GUIs" - but I know what my ears are telling me. They sound different. monkeyxx I did a 2 day, exhausting shootout of Pro Q3, Crave EQ, and Toneboosters EQ4. You can never truly match them but I tried my best, using null testing. Pro Q3 seemed to narrow the stereo field just a tiny bit compared to Crave. Pro Q3 also has the tiniest bit of color in the midrange. But it's so so subtle. Crave felt really wide, solid, almost analog in a way... It had a thickening effect... ToneBoosters was the most flattering of them all in this particular test

@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын

Here's some food for thought: listen to a mix. Then, without changing anything, listen to the same mix again. You'll notice different things the second time around, right? Now do the same, but with the knowledge that *something* has changed: all those differences in what you perceive will now be attributed to that difference. It's just the way our brains work. You have to remember, a mix is just a single waveform. Ok, two for stereo. It's our brain that does all the processing to split it into drums, bass, guitars, vocals etc. and that's some heavy duty processing going on there. While I can't say for certain all those people you quote are wrong, I can say that every time I've investigated such claims I've not found any evidence to support them. It seems far more likely to me that this (well known and universal) cognitive bias is the real cause.

@dimapoliakov 3 жыл бұрын

@@DanWorrall Thanks, appreciate your answer. Agreed with listening the same mix thought. Would be great if someone shows proves from playback engine perspective, not only bouncing.

@coltonclement 7 ай бұрын

I saw a video of a producer saying to always use natural phase cause it’s better on bass

@DanWorrall 7 ай бұрын

lol

@jasanmarino 3 жыл бұрын

What is the name of the eq analiser you are using?

@jayjain3821 3 жыл бұрын

Plugin doctor from DDMF

@ruthlesscutthroat4030 3 жыл бұрын

say if you ball park it, and its a matter of quality, why not reserve oversampling to when you write the file?

@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын

You can do that. I personally prefer not to as I'm wary of rendering something different to what i just listened to. I'm more likely to just increase the oversampling factor for render, as then I'm still listening to the same up and down sampling filters when I mix.

@resul7400 3 жыл бұрын

The Soundfather.

@rautshsale1948 3 жыл бұрын

is there an actual explanation in any of your videos, of why cramping is bad? after watching a few, i understand how it is supposed to behave "correctly", but I have not yet been able to understand what makes cramping bad and/or what the negative effects are of using an EQ that cramps

@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын

With some material a de cramped EQ will give you an airier, more open and natural sounding boost than a cramped EQ. It's not an issue otherwise, and cramping EQs are certainly not useless. But if I'm picking my go-to EQ that I reach for in all situations, its a deal breaker.

@rautshsale1948 3 жыл бұрын

@@DanWorrall thank you so much!

@shaihulud4515 2 жыл бұрын

So....is cramping about the drop back to Nyquist-level? This is the first time I heard about EQ-cramping, and with the german translation of "cramp" I can't translate to anything that would make sense in a musical context to me. Can anyone explain?

@zimouspero 3 жыл бұрын

Did you try Reeq? Similar to FAB pro Q and its free. For reaper

@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын

I've had a look, seems very impressive. I'm slightly reluctant to give it a proper review, as any criticism would feel churlish...

@zimouspero 3 жыл бұрын

@@DanWorrall i would love to watch your review. Do that please

@rolieoliemix4743 2 жыл бұрын

@@DanWorrall I would love too also! Please do it!

@Henrix1998 3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure how much I should care about this

@darkghost2388 10 ай бұрын

no idea what any of this means, great video tho! i will understand eventually

@fried_pork_ 3 жыл бұрын

Dan Worrallll's the best

@smittywerbenmcj3624 3 жыл бұрын

you are god

@heavybleak 3 жыл бұрын

"because... reasons" xD

@Freogeteknet 2 ай бұрын

Mixing 6 songs right now for a client that I recorded in 44.1 but thinking of switching to 48 for cramping reasons. Is it worth changing my current project to 48 and let reaper extend the frequencies of my recorded material or could this be damaging in some fasion?

@DanWorrall 2 ай бұрын

Make sure you have r8brain resampling selected for both playback and rendering in your project settings, and it probably won't do any harm. However it won't make much of a difference with respect to cramping. 96k is high enough for cramping to no longer matter, but even that doesn't actually remove it altogether, so going to 48 is kind of insignificant. It might make oversampling filters work a bit better though (especially Softube) so don't be scared to try it if you want. But switch to r8brain first if you're not already using it.

@Freogeteknet 2 ай бұрын

@@DanWorrall Thank you! oh yeah been thinking about this for a couple of days and it was the oversample thing you talked about + the fact that my studio buddie uses 48 that convinced me to make the switch. Thought it also would do something for cramping but honestly the fact that most high shelves doesn't cramp and that I use my ears I wasn't to worried about it.

@LYSHEmusic 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks again for your videos! I actually refused to use ProQ3, as I have repeatedly noticed that it makes the sound worse. Especially filters. Unlike filters and equalizer in Scheps Omni Channel or TDR eq, for example. Can you guess what could have caused such a result with ProQ3? I'm working in 48/24 if it's important. Thanks!

@sebprovision 3 жыл бұрын

Does Nova do this??

@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын

@davewestner 3 жыл бұрын

So is there an actual sound difference that matters between these two examples? Or do I need to go back and watch that other video to find out? Sorry, this is clearly too smart for me

@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't, it very much depends on the source material.

@davewestner 3 жыл бұрын

@@DanWorrall I was thinking about this after I posted, and was thinking about resonant EQ curves.....isn't this similar to one of those? So it could just be a feature as opposed to a bug? I'd be curious to hear a difference. FWIW, I do understand the point you made in the video. Just trying to understand the practical aspect of this

@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын

I guess it's possible that in a specific case the cramped response might sound better. But whenever I've heard a difference its been a more open, natural, airy sound from the decramped EQ, and I've always preferred it.

@RonnieVaiArovo 3 жыл бұрын

@@DanWorrall hi Dan the man! Is the reason you prefer de-cramped EQ in the air band is because it represents high frequencies more accurately due to the better phase response & anti-aliasing sound?

@bontempo1271 3 жыл бұрын

@@DanWorrall I read that in a Dan Worrall voice