Thanks. Veclan has a certificate issue. So I got one from the Ali store. Can you advise equally cheap flat earbuds sub $10 to go with it?. Iems are not for me. They must have good Clarity for podcasts, but still good lower end. Thanks again 😊

well got Yincrow X6 to start with

It costs $8 including shipping. Of these products that have been released so far, is this the best? Do you recommend it?

Awesome 😁

My pleasure! Glad that my way of presentation works 😁🙏

Awesome! Thank you!

Couldn't agree more!

Hi Andy, your reviews of this type of dongles always help me. Where can I find the VE ODO please. Aliexpress I didn't find anything, the same in VECLAM.

​@@miltongonzalez2225 I couldn't find it on Aliexpress either. I just went for the jm7 tho

Bought my Odo from Aliexpress, I believe there is only one store.

Odo does not support 44.1 kHz sample rates. That might be a deal breaker for some. Bitperfect playback is not possible at the most popular sample rate. Avani, Abigail, Megatron, and Abigail Pro all support 44.1 kHz, as I'm sure most DACs do, so it's weird this doesn't. I don't hate the sound. It's quite good from what I've heard so far. Reminds me in a good way as a less bassy version of the semi-recent Venture Electronics Odyssey Retro included with the Monk A1. Odo is definitely cleaner than Retro and supports some USB exclusive modes. Retro does not support it at all. I'd choose Odo between the two. At least in my use case (Samsung Galaxy S23, UAPP, and Spotify), this dongle is in no way more powerful than VE's other options. I use the same volume as Odyssey Retro on earbuds, IEMs, and headphones. Doing my best to volume match to other dongles, it needs several more notches up compared to Avani and Abigail Pro, and even more compared to Jcally JM6 Pro. I am very confused why this is being presented as a more powerful upgrade to Abigail Pro and being compared favorably to JM6 Pro. It's a great for $5, but I'm otherwise not impressed. There are better options out there. Go with Abigail Pro or even better JM6 Pro.

Yes they do. Cheers!

I appreciate that 😁🙏

My Pleasure

My pleasure

My pleasure!

At $5 it will never hurt you even if you don't like the sound

My pleasure. To my knowledge, VE runs Shopee Malaysia as well so we just need to wait until it is available very soon

@@donglemadness ahhh, didnt even knew they have an official store on shopee. will be waiting for it then. thank you again sir

Hey no worries. Cheers 😁🥃🍺

Thanks. It seems the price variations of JM12 is crazy considering in AliExpress it sells anywhere between 10-12 USD. But then the implementation on ODO offers more power

​@donglemadness do you have measurement?

@@MarkGarutti I don't do measurements, I don't have the tools for it

Great advice on the dongle.

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Thanks. If you find JM6 pro neutral bright, then it is true as well for AM01, JM7, Abigail Pro, JM12 and pretty much many other ultra compact dongles especially JM20 which is even brighter, so yes ODO is linear neutral bright. The only ones I don't consider bright would be JA21, Avani or JM04Pro

Unfortunately the older iPhones on Lightning are known to be weak with USB power and you have limited options. For as long as you can use your JM6Pro without any issues, then don't worry that you are missing anything. It is either they will work or not at all with Apple lightning

Thanks, if you say Abigail is bright then 90% of ultra compact dongles are bright as well, especially JCally JM20 which is super bright. The only ones not so bright would be Avani/JM04Pro or JCally JA21. ODO is more refined than Abigail Pro

Thanks. Sorry I haven't had the opportunity to try HC3. For dongle DAC, under $40 this ODO is the best to get now, value to performance ratio is insane and at $5 even if you don't like it, it will never hurt you like spending over $300 on AudioQuest Cobalt and finding out it sounded no better than a $5 JCally or $12 KZ AM01

You will notice that JM12 has the weakest power among them all, even ODO which uses the same KT DAC audibly more powerful and more suitable for planars

Mine is a preview unit sent by VE to test before the release in May. VE will announce the availability soon. Thanks

Yes you are correct, those two IEMs don't need much power so a JM12 would still be a viable option if you can't get ODO

On USB Exclusive mode via HIBY Music app, my phone which runs USB PD 3.0 needed volume at around 24 of 32 for the same results as seen on PC

Yes I am planning on that one

@@donglemadness Thanks, looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the review.

Yes it could be a KT, a very early version

@@donglemadness Found my old notes where I listed dongles from AliExpress with everything I could find on them (like chip and power), I have "JCAlly JM08C - KT0210 1V" written down in it. Also TRN TE dongle uses KT02F20, so the designation differs with F/H, but it is 24bit/96khz. You probably already know but the new JadeAudio JA11 runs on KT02H20 as well.

I don't do measurements but from what I can hear, this is similar to other 1 Vrms rated dongles when it comes to output mass. Max97220? yes of course I have, JCAlly JM12 Pro, MEIZU Lifeme and KZ AM01 all uses the same Max97220, and I have all three of them. If you want to know, they do offer a bit more of power but I would say ODO and JM7 is very close with output too. I have also added subtitles manually. Hope this helps

Thanks! For warmer sounding dongle at budget segment, you can try the JCally JM04Pro or JCally JA21. If you want to spend a bit more then I highly recommend EarFun UA100

Yes it will work, they all uses the same USB structure, so no worries there

ODO is already a better dongle even if it is priced cheaper than JM6Pro, so it is clear to me which one I would use for EA500LM

BT dongle is more complicated so less contenders

@@donglemadness Seriously considering a Hiby W3II. IMO the only way out of shitty mic placement.

I blame it on Apple, they make it hard for other manufacturers to align easier to Apple due to MFi certification which is very taxing. But at least iPhone 15 finally realized they cannot shun the needs to align better with more user friendly standards - USB Type C

Hard for me to say as I personally never tried XB 910N and what I haven't tried myself, I will not say things based on assumptions. What I do know is that many IEMs do sound great and even more resolving/superior with proper dongle like this VE ODO. Wired connection will always be superior especially when you are pushing for high resolution lossless audio. But I will also mention that some wireless technology like BT LDAC can match a wired setup up to 95%, and for the most part practically equal when subjected to casual usage on streaming music platforms

JM20 is and old dongle which I already reviewed 3 years ago, it is rather bright and edgy crispy sounding, you get better performance from ODO or JM12 or JM6 Pro etc. JM40 and JM80E perhaps soon

I don't have JA11 yet so I have no idea until I am able to test one. Thanks

Yes, VE ODO works with inline MIC, I have tried it

@@donglemadness Thank you so much! I might get it then.

You need something really warm, something like iFi GO Link

Andy, You should collaborate and come up with your DAC. You're the pro

Ultra compact dongle? my vote goes to Venture Electronics ODO, just $5 but sounds nothing like a $5

Best is VE ODO, hands down, it is cheaper yet offering the best fidelity in sound compared to other dongles

​@@donglemadnessThanks a lot Andy. Looks like the VE Odo is gonna be a game changer for a budget dongle. It was a hassle to find the perfect dongle under RM60. I've already ordered and thanks for your detailed review. ❤️

Thanks man

Perhaps, but I don't know when

Boxy? You might want to check EPZ TP20 or TP20Pro, especially if you can get a deal not over $40

Yes it will. When you attach an external USB DAC like Odo, all audio processing will then be done by the attached dongle and you will get better resolution and sound quality from ODO, works great for an IEM like Wan'Er SG

I never tried Sonus so I would not know, but I guess if you can't get Odo, get JCally JM7 then

Thanks!

Early May I believe. You can join VECLAN FB group and hear first hand when it will be available

I don't have 4.4mm version of ODO to test, so I would not know yet

@@donglemadness i just found out that its the same as 3.5mm. Btw yours fiio ka11 still not work?

Ultra compact dongles like these two supports MIC and they are as good as what you attach them to. Pair it with good inline MIC, then the results are great

That's the first time I am hearing ODO going above $5, that's odd. Sound wise I would still go for ODO, but if you feel that price is not justified, then AM01 or JM7 is still a viable option

Thanks for the heads up, I will look for them

​@@donglemadness I did know about q39 only after placing the order VE Monk. For me, Q39 is more fun than Monk plus. Both are Top notch anyways.

I think Musehifi have one that allows charging port, but I forgot which model

Eh? dia support Bitperfect la. Try guna HIBY Music App

Hiby ngam..tak sangka ve monk + ve odo melebihi jangkaan..wowww!!! tak sepadan dengan harga..berbaloi gila.. tq bro andy..

Really? That's interesting.

ODO is more transparent and crisper with imaging compared to Meizu Lifeme

@@donglemadness ODO I'll buy and save thanks for your help

Enable the H-Depop feature on your TP50, if it still persists then you need to report this to the seller. My own TP50 never had this issue even when connected to crazily sensitive hybrid IEMs under 5 Ohm

@@donglemadness thank you andy.. I did what you have suggested but the issue still exists. After that I switched to low gain mode and the issue got reduced to some extent, but still the issue hasn't gone completely. So I have placed an exchange request. Thanks much for the quick response..

Yes it does support inline MIC for any IEMs or headphones that has inline MIC

I am not sure what is your listening treshold/sensitivity so my advise is to get KA11 if driving HE400SE what you looking for

Yes I look forward to it. Thanks

Where did you buy it and how much did you spend in total with shipping cost?

Odo doesn't seem to support 44.1 kHz. Unfortunate since that's the most popular format.

Yes is is clean. I have tested the MIC on ODO and I am happy with it (attached to my PC)

I will definitely get it! Thank you for replying :)

It will be out sometime next week. Thanks

@@donglemadness nice. I would be grateful if you could compare the headphone to the hd600 and the sundara.

No I haven't

Both JM12 and ODO are similarly tuned with sound timbre, not really analogous because of the focus on technicalities, but if I have to choose, then I would say that Abigail Pro is a hair more analogous than JM12

​@@donglemadnessI imagine the same thing happens with the rest, right?

71 would be at 8/10 for sound richness

The DC04 is almost $100 in price!

Odo does not support 44.1 kHz. It should work with bitperfect playback at 48 kHz and it's multiples though.

No idea for now, perhaps after the release of the 3.5mm maybe we would see 4.4mm? this would probably come later

I don't have JA11 yet

ODO all the way and it is cheaper at $5

​@@donglemadness In my country, ODO shipping is $3. JM shipping is free. So the price is almost same.

For my planars here yes, no issues with power and driving them with good authority

@@donglemadness Ok, thank you very much! I hear that t10 (like pr2) benefits of a good power output becouse of his 96dB sensibility. You think I can hear a notorious difference from a powerful desktop dac amp?

Yes, if you push them with over 500mW or over 2VRMS, all planars tend to scale further, not necessarily desktop DAC/Amps, tons of 2-4 VRMS dongles can do that easily already. ODO is just 1 VRMS but for $5 there's no better option at that price point. You want to max it out, go for something like EPZ TP50 or ONIX Alpha and use the 4.4mm BAL side

@@donglemadness Perfect! Last question: You'd say the improvement 1.5 vs 4vrms will be about only a 10-15% or more notorious? (Lac of bass, brightness, richness?) Thanks again for such a helpful information sir.

@@antonioromero5346 Yes something like that

And you have a great budget dongle there in Abigail Pro, I will keep it dearly since VE would like replace Abigail Pro with ODO going forward

@@donglemadness I wish I waited a little longer for the cheaper and better ODO but yea the Abigail Pro is still great. It's more than enough for me since I only use IEM for now and it can drive my OG Zetian to a good listening volume at just 20-30% volume. Though if I am to get a pair of headphones one day, I'd probably need one with a way higher driving power.

Absolutely, ODO comes built in with MIC support

71 is crisp edged with resolution and fairly well extended with dynamic range, energetic

VE ODO definitely

@@donglemadness CCA Trio best DAC please reply Sir high volume? & Clarity

VE ODO still, for CCA Trio

For now we only know it will be in May. Follow VECLAN FB to keep first hand updates on this

It is available now

I forgot to include it

@@donglemadness can you make a quick, short one here? 😅 how would you rank it and how does it compare with the kz for example? Thanks in advance

@@JoseFerreira-zb7wh ODO is tuned to be less analog due to focus on being analytical, it would also appear a bit brighter on the upper frequency due to treble resolution is above average so something so illegally cheap

@@donglemadness thank you! Nice! Different from most of the competition and good!

ODO offers more resolution and better imaging

@@donglemadness Andy one more question please, what about the FiiO JA11 ive seen many people talking about it.

I don't have JA11 yet, until then I have no idea on it really

@@donglemadness I wish you can have one in this days.

No unfortunately

Yes. Absolutely

@@donglemadness wow i think im gonna buy if u say so 😄

@@donglemadness is this works on OnePlus phone?

@@donglemadness i mean the venture odo? Works on OnePlus phone?

@@donglemadness Better value, but not a better dongle, in my opinion

Seems like it

@@donglemadness definitely going to grab them if they're at that competitive price

When does it come out? I'm going with the JM12 right now.

@@lileav He said it's coming in early May, so it's like in a couple of days

@@pmdthewizard Very nice! I was undecided and went with the apple dongle haha

I think you missing the point here, of course if I have $300 headphones I use it with my $850 DAC/Amp. The point here is to push the limit of what a $5 can do, if you don't try you will never find out. At least when someone ask can a cheap $5 dongle provide drivability to hard to drive stuffs, I can answer them with facts and not assumptions. And you already make assumptions just because they are $5, they limit the quality, have a try first before making judgement

@@donglemadness i understand this was a simple way to have a idea of the real worl power output of the dongles but again please point out that this scenario will never happen in real life

This makes no sense , to review and find minor differences side by side youll obviously plug into a relatively harder to drive iem to get a better resolution! So hes just done that ! Speaking of economical options in iem they mostly in general are way easier to drive ( not all but majority yes) , so for someone like me who has a relatively harder to drive iem in a budget ( take for examples the budget planars now available in 50-60 usd range) this comparison makes a lot more sense imo , if you plug it to usual KZs and Truthear , the difference is i guess difficult to point out both analytically and digitally!!

@@juliuscharan3690 if most people buy low price iem such as kz and the source makes so little difference that a $5 dac is enough it is good to know because this is real world scenario. we are not interested in measuring the full potential of a dac if this difference requires using $5000 headphone to show off this difference, this will not happen with the 99% use case.

Blessing 2 Dusk user here...not hard to drive...