Can My Apprentice Diagnose This New STIHL Chainsaw That Won't Run After 1 Tank Of Gas? - Video
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3 жыл бұрынCan My Apprentice Diagnose This New STIHL Chainsaw That Won't Run After 1 Tank Of Gas?
I recently bought a brand new Stihl chainsaw from a customer that only ran one tank of fuel through it and now it won't run!
I have deliberately kept the saw to test Dave my apprentice on his diagnosing skills!
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@thebradleysoncatbirdhill6849 3 жыл бұрын
Suspicion was raised already when they came right to you, Don, and avoided the dealer, lol! 😱
@jeremykatchmark3606 3 жыл бұрын
I work at a dealer and we also do repairs. The reason people often don’t come back to us for repairs is because we use the parts from Stihl, so a new piston assembly often times cost as much as the saw itself when you add labor.
@tornagawn 3 жыл бұрын
@@princetondaxton8483 you’re right, we don’t care.
@CAIDMASTEROFPYRO 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeremykatchmark3606 I think he more meant they didn't try a warranty claim
@PageMarker1 2 жыл бұрын
My initial reaction also.
@jonsworld5307 2 жыл бұрын
yea should been under warranty they know the dealer not cover damage due to no oil in gas
@scottfirman 3 жыл бұрын
Brand new chainsaw, straight fuel. I knew that without pulling the muffler. I could tell by looking at the spark plug, it was dry as a sand pile. No oil residue. Dead give away.
@MrDmmeeks 3 жыл бұрын
Kind of a give away it was user error when it goes to an independent shop rather than the dealer.
@JeffinTD 3 жыл бұрын
RC Hobby- at least he didn’t ruin a DA-200 worth three of those saws.
@tedbryer2512 3 жыл бұрын
right on the money!!
@DB-zp9un 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrDmmeeks Wouldn't have made a difference lol..
@gator9912 2 жыл бұрын
$700 out the door with a 20" bar here in Michigan love it
@bendeleted9155 3 жыл бұрын
Novice tip: I have found that 90% of the time with older equipment that people give up on and sell at a yard sale, it's just a fuel issue. Bad hose or clogged jet or screen.
@X737_ 3 жыл бұрын
Or even bad fitting non sealing fuel caps, have had that
@cwytonweb 3 жыл бұрын
This is true enough for home-owner, big-box-store trash but not so much for a Stihl pro saw. In my area that saw will still bring $300, even with the blown top end.
@bendeleted9155 3 жыл бұрын
@@cwytonweb yeah, I've never found a stihl at a garage sale that wasn't running, come to think of it. I did find a 710 sold as inoperable once that just needed the fuel system flushed out, so it is possible. 😀
@jasonparsons9510 2 жыл бұрын
I've saved 2 stihl weed eaters from the scrap yard. Fuel lines were trash.
@normanmanning4872 2 жыл бұрын
LOL i watched a neighbour try and start his lawnmower and it kept stalling. he pushed it over to the curb and put free sign on it. i sent my son over to get it and about 15 min and a bit of carb cleaner and he was watching me cut my lawn with it.
@stevewilliams2725 3 жыл бұрын
Good video, as an owner of a small engine business its good to see you passing knowledge to younger workers. Your apprentice seems eager and respectful and will make a good technician. Best of luck to him.
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve!!!
@donyboy73 3 жыл бұрын
yes he's eager to learn and very respectful, just the right combination!
@tedbryer2512 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Steve - where are you? I retired from a Stihl dealer in Peterborough.
@johnnellis3025 3 жыл бұрын
@@donyboy73 I have a husqvarna 55 rancher 53 c.c. with not many hrs. on it. I can't start it without removing spark plug and using starting fluid. Very hard to pull start, like it's vapor locked.Once it's started it runs great. Do these saws have a compression release? What else should i try?
@John-xv8no 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnnellis3025 my 251wood boss is the exact same way. Like this from New. You find anything out with yours?
@bernardshelton7349 3 жыл бұрын
What a lucky guy Dave to be trained by one of the best technicians of small engines. Soak it all up Dave.
@guerrillaj 2 жыл бұрын
Dave yea Dave has a bright future in small engines, and I'm sure Dave soaked it all up Dave
@joepace33 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought you are a nice guy Don. And the fact that you are willing to pass your knowledge and experience to the next generation confirms what a super human being you are.
@almolloy5817 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Having just retired from 40+ years training automotive apprentices, I can see that Dave has a very bright future. Keep up the good work with him.
@donyboy73 2 жыл бұрын
Well said!
@williammoore2742 2 жыл бұрын
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@mychicosocial 2 жыл бұрын
I wanted to let you know that this was my first time watching your channel and was really impressed with the troubleshooting tips you both shared. I also think the chemistry between you two makes it fun to watch as well.. Thanks again
@davegoetz2825 Жыл бұрын
What did it cost to put a new piston and rings in the saw with labour. Thanks Dave Goetz.
@wildefox1478 3 жыл бұрын
I work on small engines and I'd suspect right away that the customer ran straight gas in it and the engine is trashed after being told they only ran one tank of gas through it and it's brand new. Great video!
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Hey there! Great guess. Thanks for watching!
@joefriday950 3 жыл бұрын
Please do more videos like this. I really enjoyed it. The two of you work great together.
@robertshoemaker6204 3 жыл бұрын
One of the give ways was the sound of the saw when you tried to start it...that funny sounding wez when you pulled the rope.....my neighbor came over with a newer Stihl 029 years ago couldn't figure out why his new saw wouldn't run...had that funny sounding wez.I popped off the muffler...cylinder and piston looked terrible heavy scoring...he used quality stihl mix...problem was he would put a bottle of mix for one gallon in a gallon fuel can and completely fill the can...the gallon can has made for expansion....he was filling can with 1.3 or so of fuel or so....like I told him he needed to watch the fuel pump and only meter in 1.0 gallons of non ethanol premium gasoline. Great video thank you Shoe
@jawnjw 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve watched your vids ever since I got laid off from my machine shop that I worked at fir 12 years.I found another job but when I got hired they thought I was a mechanic even tho I wrote machinist on the application but I needed work so I bluffed them and been with them for five years now I started tearing down a echo timber wolf..never have done any small engine repair.there’s a lot to learn and experience helps And videos like yours is a blessing thanks for all your free help and this video is awesome because it’s teaching made fun...lol.
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Hey James! Thats a great story. Clearly you are capable!!!! We are having a blast making these videos and there is a ton more to come! Cheers!
@spitfire690 3 жыл бұрын
I've notice this with cars too that it's like the clients think if they downplay the problem, it won't actually be that bad. "It's only a slight knocking from the engine" when it's really a broken rod.
@paulwharton1850 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent - Dave is really great. I've got the same saw & was shocked to find out the reason for this one not running - There is soooo much I could say about some of these people who buy this stuff ! Many thanks.......all the way from London.
@johnbenzinger3338 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all of your time explaining things! I wouldn’t have gotten my ms250 oil pump repaired without your careful explaining. Thank you again
@davidwee6927 2 жыл бұрын
We are indeed very happy to see father and son working together to give their individual advices to diagnose the STOHL Chainsaw that won't run after experimenting with other gases. . .
@nashguy207 3 жыл бұрын
Great video guys. Good interaction between you guys. I bet the customer was sick when figured out what he had done to that brand new saw. I have confidence Dave can get this saw running. Thanks for sharing!
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Nash! You bet. Stay tuned for the repair video on my channel and the follow up video here. Haven’t had a chance to pull it apart... but I will!
@bnscholet911 2 жыл бұрын
I just subscribed to Dave’s channel, I love binge watching these after my honey to do list. Some people like to watch sports I prefer watching your small engine videos😂 Dave sounds like a really cool dude. Iv learned a ton. I’m so bummed it seems impossible to get certified by STIHL. 🤦♂️ but I try and lean as much as I can from y’all
@dustinhill330 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely do more of these videos, very educational and I like the dynamic between you guys.
@ryanbruner8928 2 жыл бұрын
I had one like this,every thing was the same,had spark,showed compression,but I pulled the muffler and BAM,scoring!! It turns out that the rings were welded into the piston as well! Good job,Dave!
@RaleysSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Great job Dony and Dave !! As soon as I heard you say what the customer told you my first thought was water in fuel, then scored piston. My first step on most machines that come in, is dump the gas and see if it's mixed and check for water.. Easy and fast.. Then pull the muffler. Then check for spark. I really enjoy watching you guys, Ya'll work well together. I also noticed that I think Dave is a Left handed guy like me. LOL Hope ya'll have a great day.
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Raley! Us South Paws gotta stick together! Good observation!
@imateapot51 3 жыл бұрын
I bought a 290 years ago after a hurricane. I read the owners manual and mixed the gas. I was never told that if you run straight gas you will ruin your saw instantly. I think dealers should drive this in to customers when they purchase saws or other 2 stroke equipment. I did get burned with the non metal non pro saw. A piece of plastic which is used for the choke, half choke, run, stop lever broke and the entire body of the saw had to be replaced.
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
I know that exact piece. I had an Ms170 that did that.
@ProfessorDisaray 2 жыл бұрын
Solid video Don, I've torn apart several STIHL chainsaws and you are so correct about the plastic saws. The plastic breaks down or heats up causing things to go very wrong. A little tid bit, if you run the chainsaw full throttle with no load it can cause the aluminum head to fail.
@davemarks7322 3 жыл бұрын
Well done vid, and to your apprentice I wish the best of fortune. He seems to have the right ingredients to do well. As they say, never take anything for granted.
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave!!!
@MatthewCuba 3 жыл бұрын
Good stuff - definitely one of the best channels on YT. I have learned a lot from you and I liked the step by step diagnosis here... I think often we don't know the steps to do the diagnosis and just start replacing things willy nilly. Thank you sir!
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
That’s what we’re after Matt!
@rafaabarca6163 3 жыл бұрын
Me gustan mucho tus videos, siempre aprendo algo nuevo, gracias por compartir y suerte dave.
@donyboy73 3 жыл бұрын
gracias amigo!
@petergomez9806 2 жыл бұрын
First video of your I’ve seen. Absolutely love it. Very detailed and educational. Being poor I love learning to fix things myself .
@SuperKwame1 3 жыл бұрын
Dony, you are a great Teacher!. shout out to you from SFO, Cali. I have been watching you for over 4yrs.
@donyboy73 3 жыл бұрын
Cool, thanks!
@botabob 3 жыл бұрын
I bought a MS291 a few years back. I remember the dealer had a hard time starting the saw and keeping it running when I purchased the saw. And I too had a saw that would not start/run after three tanks of fuel to have them check it out. It turned out to be a bad carb. It was fixed under warranty and the saw had been running good for me ever since. Thanks for the lesson.
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
And rightly so! They should fix if.
@andybecker2693 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of Stihl products now have carburetor problems because Stihl bought Zama. The early autotune Husky saws had Zama carbs and MANY of those were replaced. I’m sure the 290 is good for a homeowner but $470 USD for a plastic case saw is too much for me. Echo makes a Farm/ Ranch saw with a magnesium case with bolt on cylinder for $400 that is 59.8 cc’s. The 291 is 55.5 cc’s. The Echo Timberwolf is better built, cheaper to own, and has more power.Sorry, no $500 plastic saws for me.
@andybecker2693 3 жыл бұрын
Actually I would buy the MS 261CM. A pro magnesium frame with a little more horsepower (3.76bhp-291,4 bhp- 261CM). The 261 is almost 2 pounds lighter. For an extra $120 you get a much better saw with the 261.
@botabob 3 жыл бұрын
@@andybecker2693 - Unfortunately, I did not know the difference at the time. I will run it till it wont run any more and then look at something better. I will look at the Timberwolf - any recommendations for a top handle saw? I had a Husky top handle at one time, but it was stolen from my garage along with 2 other Huskies and a battery powered saw. I appreciate you taking the time to explain this.
@paftaf 3 жыл бұрын
@@botabob Your next saw will probably be electric. I bought an ms362 in 2009. It’s gonna last another 50 years, but those new battery saws are amazing.
@thomasmorris4914 3 жыл бұрын
You can also score a piston/cylinder by gunning a saw as soon as you start it to full throttle, not warming it up. In 1957 I was with a kid who's dad just bought him a new Olds coupe. It was zero degrees outside, he pegged the throttle to mshow off and blew the engine
@daleslover2771 2 жыл бұрын
In the classes of ASE Cert on rebuilding engines course, the last step is what is called cycling a engin, This is when you bring up your RPM to 1500 for 5 Sec than drop the Rpm down to 650 for 10 sec than back up to 1500 for 5 Sec then drop to 650 to 10 sec you continue to do this for 5 min your allowing the oil& compression ring to expand at a normal rate, with plenty of oil to the scraper rings, when this is done you bring your Rpm up to 1750 Rps then repeat as mentioned as above... From there you can go at a raised idle to what the engin manufacturing recommend. As a mechanic I have ask so many other mechanics if they were familiar with the cycling steps on a new rebuilt engine.1 out of 10 could, to where I quite asking. This is also applied to small engine rebuilds, where it's critical for ring expansion for compression...
@chuckcecconi4571 3 жыл бұрын
Love your videos...over 10 years now
@erwinpierce1136 3 жыл бұрын
Great job Dave , youre learning pretty fast . And a great job to Don for being such a good teacher to you .
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
I’m lucky for sure!
@jas350 3 жыл бұрын
Best of luck apprentice dave!
@milltek2 3 жыл бұрын
That was a great video DonnyBoy! Interesting how a consumer mistake can kill a brand new saw just as if it was ten years old. It'll be interesting to see how it turns out. Glad lockdown is over!!
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Stay tuned for my fix video and then a follow up test here on Dons channel!
@andersons167 2 жыл бұрын
All your videos are great and very in depth and helpful!
@dagrote1 3 жыл бұрын
Speaking of diagnostics, I had a case recently when the customer ran his Husqvarna 455 with the brake on, something he didn't tell me until after I'd stratched my head for a few hours over why it was going bonkers at high RPM's. He said it got so bad, it actually started a little fire near the clutch! It compromised the crank seals, which I should have detected with a leak down test right away. (But they're such a pain to set up!) It also puckered the oiler hoses. So after I installed new seals, it wouldn't oil the chain until I replaced the oiler and the lines. It was worth the cost of the repair, but he learned his lesson. And I learned mine. Complete diagnostics first!
@stefankroon4615 3 жыл бұрын
Knowing what they said about one tank of fuel, checking the fuel for oil was my first thought. I hadn't thought of the possibility of the client covering their tracks like that.
@lovestihlquality1369 3 жыл бұрын
What we don't know is how good was the orientation done by the dealer. Stihl doubles warranty if you buy six packs of oil or Motomix. That said, dealer should review gas oil mix especially with a new customer.
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
You can only help so much!
@lovestihlquality1369 3 жыл бұрын
@@DavesSmallEngines You can't fix stupid.
@darrenpickens7147 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Stihl will double the warranty if you buy the Ultra oil or motomix, but for residential use only. You don't get to double the warranty for commercial use (logging business or tree trimming etc....). Commercial and municipal/government use warranty is only 90 days.
@astroboy5137 3 жыл бұрын
If you have no idea you have to mix oil with gas. You have no business buying a chain saw. Every time I walk into my dealer they constantly try to sell you more oil.
@hanginwithj 2 жыл бұрын
What an awesome attitude Dave! Don seems like a great teacher! Subscribed!
@Devwithani25 3 жыл бұрын
Get a cylinder cam. Makes checking scoring more efficient. I figured it was toast when you said it won’t run after first fill up. But not everyone would have that tool so respect on showing full diagnosis.
@pchili4 3 жыл бұрын
Dave, you look like a kid in a candy store in that shop paradise! Lol
@matthewsmith6330 3 жыл бұрын
Very well done video! I've been a small engine mechanic for 12 years 5 of which i worked for STIHL and have seen this too often, good to see you teaching your apprentice good diagnostic skills, i knew it was scored the moment i saw the color of the plug and how dry it was as you would know the alloy from the piston and cylinder burns to the plug
@supastr33t 2 жыл бұрын
I can tell your a great teacher because of the patience in your voice.
@davidwatts6252 2 жыл бұрын
Another Great Video Dony, you saved me many times with my old Stihl 029.But once the saw starts and is running i OK, I realise its a safety issue but let it run without the brake on so you don't get over-heating and burn out of the Brake. Superb Video Dony....keep them coming.......
@terrycobb2704 3 жыл бұрын
I've watched and learned alot from you guys. Love watching. I realize no mixed fuel is bad but how about too much oil? What does that do to your saw? Will that burn up the saw???
@crackpotfox 2 жыл бұрын
A 2 stroke with too much oil will run a little crappy, be hard to start, and might end up messing with the spark plug. Nothing really significant, but it can be annoying.
@matthewac3500 2 жыл бұрын
The saw will run rich when you mix too much oil, it will cause issues, it will start to bog down and then get to a point of not starting because the spark arrestor gets clogged. The spark arrestor is the screen in the muffler.
@motivationlife381 3 жыл бұрын
As soon as you told him it was a brand new chainsaw ran once and then wouldn't run again I screamed no oil in the gas, sadly I have made that mistake once before I understood the two stroke I worked on 4-stroke prior
@jonbrawn4301 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video as always Don , a logical approach usually brings results, good to see Dave doing well under your mentorship ! Regards from the UK , Jon
@donyboy73 3 жыл бұрын
thanks Jon
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jon!
@ricardomarmol1257 3 жыл бұрын
Very Good training video. Dave did an excellent trouby shooting at the chainsaw starting problem. Having a Very good teacher it's always helpful. Good video guys
@beginnerbluester 3 жыл бұрын
Great video: my question is would you recommend pulling the exhaust on a saw you are looking at buying second hand? To see how well it has been treated? Thanks
@donyboy73 3 жыл бұрын
absolutely, check out my vid on that subject kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g7iGgMiGmNbUcZc.html
@ENDERTON2000 2 жыл бұрын
if they want to sell it, I'm pulling the muffler. otherwise $10-$20 is all I'd pay REGARDLESS
@danielflack7902 3 жыл бұрын
That shows how bad the customer service was at the point of purchase. In Australia the dealers generally won't let you walk out of there shop without a good run down on the saws operation including fuel mixing. They want to sell there oil products to you while you are there, and safeguard their reputation. That's one expensive mistake.
@gushhnet 3 жыл бұрын
This is mandatory! - I co-own a Stihl dealership, extended warranty is allowed only if they purchase enough oil for the warranted period, plus people won't leave until all questions have been answered and they are properly educated on how to mix the fuel, store and generally use the equipment, I would rather stay 20+ extra minutes before closing the store and have them leave knowing all they need to know. Warranty can only be issued if we assemble and run the equipment ourselves (plus adjust the carb if need be) prior to the customer touching it. This is a must world-wide but not all dealers do it, some won't even register the serial numbers so no actual warranty Is issued (either way in this case it wouldn't be covered due to improper use, however I would argue the dealership is also at fault but not necessarily, this is why we have printed and signed instructions on how to mix the fuel and oil). You can tell when the serial number hasn't been registered in just a few seconds being an official dealer, I see this a lot alarmingly. But the most important aspect is safety specially when it comes to chainsaws, if this is their first saw I make sure they listen to what I'm saying and that if they've got any safety concerns they can ask all they want until they're confident they can safely run the saw, I take this very seriously having seen what happens when a bar and chain contact a person's face. Stay safe everyone and respect the saws. Even the MS170 is more than capable of ruining your day.
@Smalltechguy 3 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what my Deere dealer had done. In fact you can't get the warranty unless you purchase the Stihl oil and they will start it for you in the shop. Good class Don. reminds me of my instructor days...lol
@cwytonweb 3 жыл бұрын
You'd think that after a million blown-top ends from running straight gas that 2-cycle saws would have a WARNING sticker that makes it clear improper fuel mixture will DESTROY the engine. Instead all you get is a cryptic graphic of a gas + oil can.
@FishFind3000 3 жыл бұрын
@@Smalltechguy you get the standard warranty and you get the extended warranty if you buy either stihls 6 pack of oil or a gallon of moto mix. This extended warranty only applies to non commercial use machines.
@GWAYGWAY1 3 жыл бұрын
Same in UK they will NOT sell it unless you are actually present there to get instructions from them. To check you are not an numbskull and know nothing an also to show basics of that model. A man off the street cannot buy one without having a basic user certificate, other makes might not do this though.
@simonmorris8651 2 жыл бұрын
Another stonking video Don and Dave. Nice sharp diagnosis of a tricky 'faulty' saw, top job 👍👌👏
@dujeamizic3588 3 жыл бұрын
It is nice to see you and Dave to see will Dave guess what is the problem on this beast.
@nlowry8 3 жыл бұрын
We need an updated shop tour
@fillslawncare 3 жыл бұрын
I agree
@heyinway 3 жыл бұрын
Premixed, in the long run, is the cheapest fuel. Always exactly the correct mix, no smoking caused by too much oil, no gumming or deterioration caused by ethanol.
@jamese9283 3 жыл бұрын
How much do you pay for premixed fuel?
@jamese9283 3 жыл бұрын
@@OOOOOO12345 Might be worth it if you only use a couple gallons a year. However, I am a pro using several gallons a month and could buy a new chainsaw every year with the money spent on premix. Bigger companies would be wasting 1000s. Mixing is easy and precise once you're used to it, and you can buy ethanol-free.
@heyinway 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamese9283 $3.99/qt
@le3045acp 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamese9283 screw premixed use 100ll aviation fuel at correct mix for your saw and you will never have fuel problems under 10 bucks a gallon right now here it is 5.50 a gallon
@KarrierBag 3 жыл бұрын
I got a cheap B&Q chainsaw, said it was 50 to 1 ratio oil fuel mix, it was dead within a few months it was ment to be 40 to 1 barrel was so badly scored, my 20 year old homelite is still running fine though, couldn't affor a sthil so kept using my old a homelite and its the bees knees for my needs (live on a boat in UK so free fuel is cool) I kinda knew it was a fuel no oil mix as soon as the video started. Been using chainsaws over 35 years now. And you got a new sub too
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Karrier! What model Homelite!?
@germancarfan 2 жыл бұрын
I used to do loads of work on the 260 and 026, now I prefer the 261 it is a great saw. I have 4x 261's on the bench currently. They either need cylinder kits or cranks.
@gardenfork 3 жыл бұрын
Great story and rapport between you both! Could you Put Dave’s KZfaq channel in the End Cards so more people can find him? 😀 Eric
@donyboy73 3 жыл бұрын
link in description
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks GardenFork!
@georgewagner8397 3 жыл бұрын
A new saw not taken back to the dealer indicates they did something wrong to the saw.
@moocow6350 3 жыл бұрын
I knew that one without owning or operating a chain saw before.
@andrewmantle7627 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you men; love to see this Canuck stuff. I'm one meself. Ontario born and raised.
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching Andrew!
@danacoleman4007 2 жыл бұрын
very enjoyable! A good teacher and a good student! thank you, gentlemen!
@EliminatorPerformance 3 жыл бұрын
Those muffler clips could take an eye out lol
@adam4900 3 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know you could score a piston just by running with no load. Do you have a video with all the dos and don’t dos with 2 strokes?
@donyboy73 3 жыл бұрын
coming soon!
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
@@donyboy73 Can't wait for this one!
@ebfromwyoming4118 3 жыл бұрын
wow my first time seeing dave the apprentice on your videos hes great and sharp i like u 2 working together
@paulmorrey733 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Don & apprentice
@coombsnationproductions890 3 жыл бұрын
If you can’t remember to use mixed gas, you don’t deserve to own a awesome saw like that lol
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Some people make mistakes!
@scooterdogg7580 3 жыл бұрын
had to scroll down before I guessed lol as suspected
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
@@scooterdogg7580 yes sir!
@Brad55102 3 жыл бұрын
So they brought it back to the dealer for warranty and got sent away. That's how a brand new saw ended up at ur shop.
@donyboy73 3 жыл бұрын
yes
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
And now I’m going to fix it!
@X737_ 3 жыл бұрын
I knew straight away what the issue was. Lent a saw to someone with the same result once...
@rjl7765 3 жыл бұрын
That is the first question I would have asked, why not take it back to where you bought it if it's brand new.
@andybecker2693 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that it was not taken back to the dealer immediately told me that the piston/cylinder was scored along with it being the first tank of gas. I can’t believe someone would buy a pro saw and not know how to mix fuel. That saw is $600 USD and $800 CAN. OEM piston and cylinder is probably half the value of the saw. Time for aftermarket parts!
@mconnorsc 3 жыл бұрын
Couple years ago saw a similar story at local small-engine repair shop. Only difference, they filled fuel tank with bar oil. It smoked like crazy when shop drained tank and added proper mixed fuel.
@rolandgonzalez7165 Жыл бұрын
Excellent and very informative video. Thank you.
@briansd6869 3 жыл бұрын
not having a single scratch in it after 3/4 of a tank of gas being used is a red flag.
@user-nh3gu1ge3d 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry, can you explain what this means? Thank you.
@johnkosheluk1041 3 жыл бұрын
Someone was in there it is scratched the plugs
@michaelfunk5951 2 жыл бұрын
I like your teaching approach. You've got a good apprentice too.
@tedbryer2512 3 жыл бұрын
One thing I noticed was the colour of the spark plug - that saw overheated and seized. That would make me go right to taking off the muffler. Also another hint would be a hissing sound when you took the gas cap off. I am a retired small engine mechanic for 50 plus years and am still repairing saws. I like your apprentice - he has a great attitude and is willing to learn.
@knudknollard3309 3 жыл бұрын
Please explain the hissing sound when removing the tank cap. You are implying that a blown ring can pressurize the fuel tank - please share what you know on this, and any other symptoms. Thanks!
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Ted! Don is a great teacher. I am a lucky apprentice. Stay tuned for lots more videos here, and I do a bunch of longer repair videos on my channel. I am still learning... so go easy! Cheers!
@benrobles752 3 жыл бұрын
Bruce Pender would say "They ran straight ethyl in this saw".
@Cautionary_Tale_Harris 3 жыл бұрын
They are fortunate the saw quit running before they hurt themselves. This model is WAY too large for someone with no experience to be using.
@EliminatorPerformance 3 жыл бұрын
If I hear that a 2 stroke ran on 1 tank of fuel and then won't run, open fuel cap and drain fuel. If the customer drained the fuel already, there's usually some left in the tank, so rub on fingers and if it evaporates it's straight fuel, if it leaves an oily residue it had some oil in it. You won't know if it was the proper mix, but at that point you'll at least have an idea of what was put in it. Then continue with inspection. Good vid!
@G_Carter 3 жыл бұрын
Tremendous video, guys! Thanks for sharing. Very interesting. I always appreciate the knowledge you share. Have a great day.
@donyboy73 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
No problem Mr. Carter!
@tombeckett4340 2 жыл бұрын
I think Dave nailed it a A would be in order. Thanks 🇨🇦👍
@thomasryan8218 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, I can't believe the things that do.
@rcs0296 3 жыл бұрын
your apprentice has a great attitude and aptitude
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Richard!!!
@chord972 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Thank you.
@jameslund221 3 жыл бұрын
Don, seams like such a patient teacher.
@DavidBergman1776 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait to see another video with Dave! Have been missing them
@wland8549 3 жыл бұрын
Just as you were telling Dave to turn the lights off for so we could see the spark, the light came on for me - straight gassed it! Swear to God! Hysterical!😂 Nice job guys! 13% sales tax, ouch!
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Big ouch!
@kennethcastaldo7239 3 жыл бұрын
Great video ty for sharing..I had that suspicion too bout the fuel .
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ken!
@KM-ts6co 2 жыл бұрын
Any other shop Dave would be a lead guy but he's leveling up here majorly
@SuperJamster1 3 жыл бұрын
Nailed it!!! I love diagnoses videos. Thanks D @ D!
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@robertmailhos8159 3 жыл бұрын
Great job you having dave doing the exam of this Saw
@donyboy73 3 жыл бұрын
he might be performing surgery too!
@robertmailhos8159 3 жыл бұрын
@@donyboy73 okay see you two later
@henrykopchinski8240 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Dave is in good hands, you seem like a nice, calm, knowledgeable owner/boss. Just found your video. Subscribed before the end! 👍🔧
@donyboy73 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Henry! You should see how he is when the camera is off!!!! Just as nice and friendly. We have a great time. Thanks for watching!
@gregritter377 2 жыл бұрын
Good video done and Dave both of you did a good job
@apatterson8128 3 жыл бұрын
Dave is a good listener. Good listener=excellent student. He is like a sponge! Nice work Dave! (Oh, and Don too! LOL)
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!!
@dougbongle3192 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video! Thanks
@f.demascio1857 3 жыл бұрын
I'm so proud of myself. I would have done the same steps. All thanks to Donny Boy!
@stephenbrown5844 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent Dan, dave.. Loving the video guys
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching Stephen!
@tonyd1149 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Don. Great video.
@Bungi81 3 жыл бұрын
Great Job Dave👍 It‘s exactly what Dony says: Don‘t trust the story they told you about what has happened 🤣👍 Always make your own diagnosis. Compression, Spark, Fuel and have a look into the engine. 👍👍 Greetings from germany, Stefan
@donyboy73 3 жыл бұрын
greetings from Canada!
@stevec541 Жыл бұрын
Love this format. Investigating like this, absolutely helps with troubleshooting. Hope you do more like this. On Stihl chainsaws. Because all other brands are garbage. Lol😜
@MrDJ217 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent apprentice. I see why you felt he was worthy. Peace to you both.
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Edward!
@donyboy73 3 жыл бұрын
he's coming along great!
@JoelHershberger 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Dave dropped the chainsaw at the end hitting the chain and bar on the table first as he was setting it down. That is a no no. Accidents happen though. We all do things like that, so no foul!!
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
Oops! Guess I’m not perfect eh? Cheers!!!
@bjjohnston2868 2 жыл бұрын
Dave's a lucky guy having you as a mentor.
@bronzechicken4437 3 жыл бұрын
We have a 261 like this one, same model, favorite saw we own by far.
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
What do you like about it most?
@bronzechicken4437 3 жыл бұрын
@@DavesSmallEngines It's easily operated, carries a 24" bar just fine, it's not a big saw in the scheme of the saws we've had, but it's plenty capable for most tasks.
@DavesSmallEngines 3 жыл бұрын
@@bronzechicken4437 I was thinking of dumping a few of my others for one of these. I have a 361 and a 461, was going to get a 500i one day and just have these two. But if you’re saying it can deal with a 24” bar maybe I’ll just keep the one!
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