Is this what they mean by "media illiteracy?"

Oh I get it now, Arcane is set in the story of League of Legends. Which is a video game. Doomer hates video games with stories. So he doesn't understand Arcane because hes just trying to skip the cutscenes

Tbf to Doomer, he has been watching shows for 30 years

Perfect case showing that not admitting to a mistake and being salty about it is way worse than making the mistake in the first place. Stay humble lads.

Doomer is literally the "don't back down, double down" meme 😂

I miss Doomer. He gave us the best Chat inside baseball quote jokes. "Remember when Gandalf kissed Saruman on the lips?"

_”I’ve been having bad takes on media for THIRTY F****N YEARS!!”_ *[Otter Tisms intensifies]*

The continued clowning on doomer is much appreciated

Doomer is a rare specimen, you see... He can gaslight himself but not anyone else.

Silco: She [Jinx] is my daughter. Doomer: So they're boyfriend and girlfriend?

EFAP with Doomer in a nutshell: I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

Silco kissing Jinx is the only thing that brings joy in Doomer’s life

This just goes to show how lacking in Media Literacy the EFAP crew is. They completely missed the full-on Jinx/Silco raw-dogging session during the clown orgy scene. Their critiques are poor.

A rising star, cut short by that branch he jammed in his spokes. A literal tragedy can be pretty funny.

Doomer is patient 0 of r/confidentlywrong

He just refuses to admit he’s wrong ever. His ego was ginormous. Imagine if he would just say “oh, I hadn’t thought about it that way” and moved on 😂. He would’ve been fine

"If there is a Hill to die on, I will." - dooner

It wasn't even the bad take, it was refusing to admit that he might be wrong and digging the hole deeper in the process

"Stop it he is already dead"

The "he kissed her" moment is like a Monthy Phyton or Family Guy sketch lmao

I will argue this is the most painful moment in EFAP history. What should've been 3 streams going bit by bit on every single part of Arcane, just highlighting the overall excellent quality of the series, was stained by the baddest takes of the ages and one of the longest arguments against a brick wall.

In terms of getting made fun of, doomer is like drunk3P0 except doomer can’t take a joke. At least Jay laughs along with it

Yay, we’re in a Doomer-take highlight arc?

It's funny when they said Smiling Friends referring to: "you kiss your dad on the mouth". Because my mind went straight to Pim's bad eyesight making him see the bowl of worms as peanuts and Doomer seeing the kiss that didn't exist 😂

My favourite part is how the people in comment section of that episode autistically went through all of the events of Arcane’s episodes 3 and 4 just to show how much sense Caitlyn meeting Vi made. Made me really appreciate Arcane on the next level

Never, under any circumstances, should this man be allowed to become a detective. His intuition is staggeringly underdeveloped.

He was in jail for 30 years. He knows how it works

doomer wouldn't talk to the prisoner who beat the guy up because he doesn't watch cutscenes and doesn't know detective work

This is what room temperature IQ looks like. It's not about believing incorrect information or even unwilling to believe otherwise, it's about being explained in detail why you're wrong and being actually incapable of parsing what is being told to you.

I loved the scene where Doomer screamed "I'm wrong!" and wronged all over EFAP.

It's honestly not even that the takes are the problem. He misremembered a scene, thinking two characters kissed, and didn't understand the context of why two other characters would work together. Pretty harmless. But it's the fact that he just digs his heels in and will not concede even when everyone is explaining to him that he was wrong.

Doomer’s issue seemed to be a combination of assuming all characters have semi-perfect knowledge and are purely logical that combined with “well I wouldn’t do it”.

Haha great topic for highlights! I would love the Organized Chaos stream where he tries to pin Mauler as a homophobe and fails. That was my favorite moment of last year! Cheers from Michigan! This weather can go to hell and die.

Its perfectly reasonable for a detective to want to talk to the person who silenced her only witness. Maybe she wanted to find out why someone tried to epstein the person she was on her way to question? There is VERY clear motivation for Caitlin to initiate an interview with Vi, even if it was an angry "goddamnit you broje my only lead" or if its "maybe the person who shut down my only lead has information that can salvage this cluster-eff

This is the most animated Theo has ever been. Frustration over bad takes is a powerful thing.

Doomer is a one hit wonder, he made 1 hitpiece video on Vaush (which just regurgitates criticism that were already widespread at the time) and he suddenly thinks he is the expert in everything.

Cast: Okay, here are all the facts and logics that makes this airtight. Doomer: I REJECT YOUR REALITY!

Doomer refusing to take even the smallest of L's really reminds me of Elliot from Scrubs trying to apologise to Carla but she just can't do it and the show cuts to her digging her own grave as she talks.

Geez, he became an actual squeaker

Doomer is the classic contrarian. I think a part of him knows that he may be wrong but he just can't concede & has to dig himself deeper into a hole.

To be fair with Doomer, it is very convenient that we're all alive at any point in time. You can't just disagree with that...

I guess Doomer thought it a weird coincidence Frodo and Sam trusted Gollum to lead them to Moria...

Okay, now steal Adam and Sitch’s Barbie argument against Doomer for the trifecta of Doomer bad takes!

"I'll win the argument by loudly and confidently showing that I don't understand how prisons or investigations work." -- Doombo Baggins

It's like that meme: "If I had a nickel every time a guest on EFAP had a bad take and used the phrase 'getting stunlocked' to try and move away from the topic, I would have two nickels (Doomer and YMS). it's not a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice."

This all feels like a long "don't do Black-pills" ad.

Doomer's behavior is the embodiment of the "RIP Bozo" meme.

I was hoping we'd get this, the beginning of his end. I actually really liked doomer at first, but the arrogance in combo with some dishonest tactics made me really dislike him by the end of his tenure.

Doomer not knowing what the difference between cause and effect and random, not understanding what the word convientent means was so incredibly funny.

God this conversation was so frustrating. Doomer keeps on assuming that Caitlyn has any other leads. If she did have other leads, why wasn't she investigated them already?

Doomer clearly has never seen a movie like 48 Hours where two characters don't like each other but are forced to team up due to circumstances

Was rewatching this EFAP a little while back. When I heard Doomer say “I feel like it’s a bit convenient” I was like “oh sh*t, here we go”

One more thing I really hate what twitch culture created, "Staying Stun Locked". You know what, F you Doomer for using this beta male tactic to dismiss a discussion. Whether or not a topic is worth discussing further is based on everyone's opinion on the subject. Not based on how much time you take on a subject. What if I was in the discussion and want to go further to understand the point of view of the other person. Who cares how much time it takes because sometimes time is what you need to untangle the topic. God Damn I really hate the pansy Twitch culture dismissal of a topic because of time alone as if it's not worth discussing about.

I feel like Silco and Jinx's relationship is very intimate for an adopted father-daughter relationship, some might say it's even too intimate to the point of being inappropriate, but it's extremely obvious that it is Jinx who is initiating all of the physical touch and Silco is going along with it and reciprocating it to, one would assume, not discourage her, because he does love her and care about her as if she was his child, he likes it, but again it's because he loves Jinx as a daughter, not because he gets off to it and he never takes advantage of her, and it's obvious within Silco's character that there are still very much boundaries present between the two that Jinx wouldn't think of crossing because she respects Silco and loves him too

It was dangerous for Frodo to take the elven rope off Gollum. But when you don't have many choices, sometimes you have to take risks.

He made one good video, everything after that was downhill for this clown

Doomer kinda reminds me of Jay in that they’ll both say the most stupid shit sometimes like “can spiders see the future?” The difference, however, is that once it’s been explained Jay will take the piss out of himself cause he realises how silly it was, Doomer just gets angry and will double, triple and quadruple down on his brain dead position.

Well, while we are on this subject, i want to ask. What is your opinion about Arcane, Mr. Highlights?

The really messed up part about this that nobody else catches is: So this whole time, for this whole breakdown before this conversation: did Doomer believe that Silco was a groomer this whole time, and was he ok with it?

It was again so easy to back out off. "Oh, I thought they kissed, nvm then." But that's why we love Doomer

Apparently Doomer’s favorite movie is “How to lose all your friends & alienate people”.

I can see how at a cursory glance looking purely at the visuals and body language between Jinx and Silco, one might think there's a romantic dynamic there. But in the context of the narrative, Jinx is an emotionally stunted, traumatized, damaged child in the body of a coming-of-age woman, who has been raised in a seedy underworld overrun with sex, drugs, and violence. She only has her adoptive father-figure in the murderous, calculating kingpin Silco and the tormenting voices of her dead family members to guide her maturation. I think we are shown or can at least safely infer that she has a seriously warped perception of how to exhibit power, precariously oscillating between poles of passion, dispassion, submission, dominance, confidence, doubt, suffering, and gratification. Inevitably there are going to be moments of intimacy where she verges on romantic presentation with Silco, but she also acts similarly around other characters. She acts with hostility toward all of them at times as well. Her personality is marked centrally by instability. But even if we grant the possibility that Jinx does see Silco with some confused romantic sentiment, it is exceptionally clear from Silco's characterization and narrative arc that he views Jinx platonically as a daughter and a reflection of himself, a new chapter in the legacy of cyclical violence that gave birth to him and shaped the undercity into what it is now. I really appreciate that Arcane Season 1 was willing to let the characters interact in complex ways informed by their personalities and goals without needing to spell out every underlying element for the audience in dialogue. Yet apparently some people still needed that.

Was Doomer in prison for 30 years too?

As much as he was a Tism, Hope he's doing fine, wherever he is. It's a shitty feeling to have people clown on u, regardless of if u had a bad take or nah.

28:58 I love these moments where the person in question is talking themselves into a corner and MauLer presents them with what they *might* have meant, rather than listening to their rambling words.

I still wanna know what doomer thinks would be another lead besides vi given what were shown in the show

God, I’d completely forgotten about the first one. But it’s good that you show that one too, because it shows that it is possible for doomer to not get ultra defensive and start screaming when multiple people are disagreeing with him

There was definitely a break down alright.

To be fair to doomer, the illusion of a lesbian relationship is the only joy he has in life.

EFAP and its fanbase really highlight the importance of being able to handle criticism. Jay began their interaction with this channel as one of the videos they were covering and making fun of. But because Jay was able to roll with the punches, and accept the criticisms that were levied, Jay has now become one of the most liked reoccurring guests on the show. A similar tale is happening with CinematicVenom, though I haven’t seen how that will go, yet. Doomer on the other hand, began his interactions as a guest on the podcast, his videos were never put under the spotlight. But because he couldn’t handle even the most basic criticisms of his takes, he’s become one of the most clowned-on figures in the community. This applies to real life as well. Criticism, even jokes at one’s expense, doesn’t equal hatred of the individual. An inability to laugh at oneself, will cause genuine hate to rise, but if you can laugh at yourself, and better yet, also throw jokes back, then you can maybe even find some long time friends where you’d least expect.

I'm sad he's gone. I actually found it weird how Silco facefucked Jinx right on screen.

Doomer told you that he was in jail. Therefore hes a criminal. So obviously every word out of his mouth must be a lie. Not sure why you would even bother asking him anything

I remember skipping part 2 of the arcane arc because the comments were talking about the heated arguments. Its interesting to hear what was happening, maybe i can go back and listen to it in full.

just PILING the damage onto Doomer!

30 years and yet his media diet is so poor

29:55 Theo's moment here is the only thing that brings me joy in life

There is one moment i do find weird. When Vi literally starts sprinting away from her and parkours towards the undercity, Caitlyn just seems annoyed rather than worried that Vi might be ditching her. How they bump into each other shortly after also seems a bit lucky considering Caitlyn was seemingly left in the dust.

Clowning on Doomer is the only thing that brings me joy in life

Doomer made 1 alright video and got such an inflated ego from it

Somehow, Wolf can be as scathing with a clip as he is with his words. Truly a talent, sir.

Watching this live was UNFORGETTABLE!

Doomer's kinda guy to watch game of thrones and say:"ain't this convenient that the camera is following Jon snow and not some random peasant"

I have a friend exactly like Doomer and I avoid all arguments with them because they will take a stance, I will directly respond to each thing they say, and then they will just repeat the stance again. In a loop for as long as the conversation goes on. They should have given up so much sooner.

Why is this guy assuming all people in jail are the same level of dangerous and untrustworthy? Are shoplifters the same as mass murderers? How about fraudsters? Or chomos? What about those wrongly convicted?

Any cop or investigator worth a damn would definitely look into that. Perhaps the aggressor is from a rival gang that has information on them that they'd be willing to give for a perk or reduction on their sentence. As for the reaction, cops get information from other inmates all the time about ongoing or previous cases about others inmates they're celled with or hear about. Finally, we can assume most criminals in their land are sent to the same prison, if the world had established there being multiple prisons then it would have been convenient they ended up in the same one but they've already established in the same scene that V has beaten up all of Silco's men sent there, so it only makes sense she'd do the same, especially if all the criminals were to end up in the same place. The story already showed everything it needed to set itself up, it might seem cliche but it's definitely not convenient.

It's crazy to see someone be so wrong so consistently and with such complete self-assured chutzpah. The constant moving of the goalposts is incredible.

The frustrating thing about Doomer isn't his takes, _everyone_ has bad takes from time to time. It's the fact that he doubles down and stubbornly refuses to be wrong over the *tiniest* things. Like here, he clearly just misremembers scenes and the rest of the cast are understandably confused and try to help him out, instead of listening and taking in what everyone is saying he doubles down harder and harder until they have to practically shove the evidence in his face. And of course it all came to a head in the New Years Eve episode where he came out with an absolutely horrendous take that made no sense whatsoever, shifted goalposts constantly and refused to budge on his position whatsoever to the point where even Mauler lost his temper a little.

I was on Doomer’s side… for a moment. When they introduced Jinx and Silco and she’s sitting on his lap, with an arm over him, with their faces kinda close, I thought it might mean something. It’s not something I’d expect out of a teen/adult with their parent. You’d only see that with a child or a lover, so I think that was odd because that’s how they chose to reveal those characters. That said, it wasn’t long before it became more clear it was a father/(adopted) daughter sort of relationship. Odd introduction, but that confusing setup didn’t last long.

Jesus, this is exhausting. Couldn't finish listening to it.

I don't think it was raised in the debate, but if an investigator went to question their sole known surviving eyewitness/accessory to a crime, and discovered they had been instantly attacked and silenced at the earliest opportunity to catch them outside the presence of guards, wouldn't your default assumption be that the culprit for this attack was a hitman/intimidator who is part of the criminal enterprise you are investigating? I think the logic here behind questioning Vi goes far beyond "not having any other leads." From Caitlyn's perspective, this surely reeks of a botched assassination to tie up loose ends, so Vi is now a clear person of interest that needs to be interrogated about involvement in a potential conspiracy. The nature and structure of the questions she poses to Vi in the prison scene clearly line up with this reading of the situation. Caitlyn is trying to determine Vi's motives for the attack, meanwhile Vi is disinterested in answering questions as she assumes this enforcer is yet another corrupt/power-tripping goon with a badge sent to deal with her, who must already know the situation. It's only when she name drops Silco, to Caitlyn's apparent bewilderment, that Vi realizes Caitlyn is probably just naive rather than playing dumb, establishing that perhaps talking to this enforcer isn't a complete waste of time. Similarly for Caitlyn, the animosity and flippancy in Vi's responses are clear indicators that she is not attempting concealment or appeasement to avoid suspicion, and is instead voicing her genuine, unfiltered frustrations, though she is not forthcoming with all her knowledge due to the misconception that Caitlyn must already be working with more information to have arrived here. Once the two begin to understand that the other is not exactly who they first assumed, it leads to Caitlyn showing Powder's graffiti to Vi, who is unable to temper her shock and earnest intrigue in discovering evidence of her sister being alive, as she excitedly leaps closer and demands to know more information about the image. The implication is clear: Vi recognizes this artwork, but won't reveal more until she gets additional context. This could be a ploy to extract information about the investigation from Caitlyn, but this reaction would be highly inconsistent with her attitude from the beginning of the interrogation, leaving Caitlyn to conclude the reaction is more likely than not to be genuine. But as she lacks the context Vi is seeking from her, there are no further avenues to explore on this matter for now, so she pivots back to the lead regarding Silco. This requires a visit to the undercity, which Caitlyn is ill-equipped to do without a guide who she can be confident is not part of the conspiracy. Vi recognizes this and calls attention to the dilemma, possibly in the hopes of positioning her candidacy as a guide, but also possibly out of a sincere interest in not sending the one enforcer who seems to care about exposing Silco's dealings to inevitably fumble the case on her lonesome. Vi doesn't necessarily know that Caitlyn won't have other colleagues or contacts she can rely on, even if she can infer a bit from Caitlyn's current lack of backup. This interaction terminates in neither party having the information they really want, but knowing the other has the potential to help them acquire it. When Caitlyn speaks again to the warden(?), he reveals that Vi is habitually tortured due to her outbursts and hostile demeanor, which may point toward her being uncontrollable and violent, but also signals to Caitlyn that the attitude she received during their conversation was justified, and casts doubt on her presumptions of good and evil in this case. Reflecting on this self-doubt and distancing between her and those around her is what leads Caitlyn to conceal the details of her progress in the investigation from Jace and Marcus later in the episode, and instead take the leap of faith to trust in Vi to a limited extent to serve as her guide as she explores this Silco angle. Maybe this is all super obvious to the EFAP audience but I really like how there's so much being communicated in a relatively short sequence with very tight lines of dialogue to cut right to the core of the narrative conflict with clear attention given to character motivation and consistency. Oh, sorry, what I meant to say was "it was super convenient how it all just worked out and everybody trusted each other for nough reason."

Loving this, don't ya, Wolf

Just listening to this again it's crazy that Doomer is arguing that Katelyn should never talk to Vi in the first place. If you're investigating a potential conspiracy and one of your suspects get beaten to the point of not being able to talk, why would you not talk to the person who beat your suspect up? If anything that person could be part of the conspiracy who was hired to keep your suspect quiet, you have every reason to talk to that person.

Why Wolf? Why do you torment us like this?

12:35 Rags from the top rope

Poor Doomer, he was trying

I miss Jay being on Efap

I can't take a dude who says he liked the Barbie movie and says video game stories suck seriously

So, did Dummer- I mean, Doomer disappear off of the Internet out of humiliation/rage?

I knew it was coming, and yet, it still managed to hurt me.

The video game one was hilarious this one is better 😂 thank you Wolf for these!!!