Door latches and handles - screw problems?

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Let’s chat about door latches and handles. Do you ever run in to problems with the screws for a door handle hitting the latch? You’re probably buying the wrong type of latch!
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@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

This eBay seller has loads of really nice hardware (including the knobs I'm using - affiliate link, see description for more details): ebay.us/xG3wsX Here's the bolt-through latch I'm using: www.toolstation.com/premium-sprung-bolt-through-tubular-mortice-latch/p58386

@martynoxley3745 8 ай бұрын

If you can’t get the latches with the cut outs why not put the back plate with the screws in the vertical position? May not look the best but needs must!

@duncangrant3747 8 ай бұрын

Thankfully retired now but installed thousands of these over the years,, nice job.. 100% correct about screw position too,, nice to see someone with pride in there work..

@PaulSmith-pr7pv 8 ай бұрын

Awesome

@chris-townson 8 ай бұрын

I've hated doing this type of job in my house. A mix of rim locks and tubular latches. I'm rubbish at both. So much respect for those that aren't!

@MKRM27 8 ай бұрын

Just turn the coverplate 90 degrees, and have the two screws top and bottom. Better still, have screw-on cover plates that don’t have visible screw heads.

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

You can (90 deg) but that would be a total bodge. 😂

@nigel4425 8 ай бұрын

@@GosforthHandyman Why is that a bodge? - Is there a rule that says the screws must be inline horizontally? I have replaced all door handles in a 120 year old house using the threaded handles - they are a serious game changer.

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

It's a bodge since it wouldn't match existing handles in the property (and generally looks odd).

@B0jangle5 8 ай бұрын

@GosforthHandyman you've got me curious now. How are the other existing handles attached as I thought a tubular latch with cut outs is a fairly modern feature?

@nigel4425 8 ай бұрын

@@GosforthHandyman OCD Much?

@B0jangle5 8 ай бұрын

You could put the handle plate so the holes are vertical, or any angle other than horizontal. Other than them getting caught on my dressing gown pockets I prefer the lever handles which leave plenty of space. Replaced some crunchy tubular latches with Yale ones which have a nice spring action.

@Bobrogers99 8 ай бұрын

That was my reaction. The vertical arrangement should work. BTW, I also have lever handles throughout my house. Easier for older folks like me, and easier if you are carrying something.

@llljustcallhimdave 8 ай бұрын

If you look at the lever and rose handles the screws are horizontal, normally with the bolt through fittings. Also some of the knob style handles I've seen are shown with the holes horizontal, also with the bolt through fittings.

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

You can but it's a bodge - especially in a period property where screw positions should match existing handles. 👍

@robbristow 8 ай бұрын

@@GosforthHandyman But the handles are round so there is no alignment problem?

@AC-gm6bq 8 ай бұрын

Its not a bodge...

@awantamta 8 ай бұрын

You always come up with the most fantastic tips for the simplest of jobs. Brilliant !

@JR-el7et 8 ай бұрын

I agree with other comments that you could just mount the 2 screw vertically and they wouldn't hit the latch. I also buy tubular latches that don't have a square body but have chamfered edges making the body more hexagonal. This means the latch can easily be slotted into a round hole without chiselling out /rebating the hole to accommodate the latch body corners or having to drill an oversized hole. Most knob screws also go in on a slight angle which allows the screws to sit flush with the handle and aids access with the screwdriver. Screwing in straight means they don't sit flush which it looks like those in the vid didn't sit right.

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

Vertical screws is a bodge, looks really bad... unless it's an oval backplate. 👍

@YodhrinsForge 8 ай бұрын

@@GosforthHandyman Nah mate I think you're just a bit odd. Seen them mounted both ways in different houses and flats, different styles of handles, different styles of doors over the years, and it's such a non-issue that I've literally never once in 40 years heard anyone even talk about it before. Personal preference is fair enough, you do you. but trying to pretend your opinion is some industry standard and everyone else is "bodging" when 90% of people would just think "oh I'll screw it in vertical" because it's a door handle not a restoration of the Mona Lisa is a bit sad really.

@843thebear 8 ай бұрын

Great video, thanks. I had to fit latches with longer backsets to my new doors to move the door knob away from the door frame as otherwise you can scrape your knuckles on the door frame when turning the knob if it's too close.

@BrodaPaul 8 ай бұрын

Didnt know you can buy latches with holes in them for screws and also through bolts! Good idea as alot of wear and tear on handles around the house. Might try them when the next one fails!

@nigelroberts4172 8 ай бұрын

What’s wrong with fitting the screws at the 12 o’clock and 6 o’clock positions???

@MKRM27 8 ай бұрын

Nothing. That would have been a much shorter video. Better still, get the screw-on type cover plates with no visible screw heads.

@rhock1979 8 ай бұрын

Plus telling you to buy the dearest tubular latch, Instead of other type

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

It's a bodge.

@Liverpool1ne 8 ай бұрын

Didn’t realise when I bought the premium latches from Toolstation in polished chrome that they had this feature. Not an issue for us as using a Victorian scroll type handle on a backplate, however I’m glad to see you recommend this type as I found them to be decent quality and far superior to the cheaper versions. These plus new chrome hinges from the same place and new chrome handles (I recommend the Carlisle Brass brand as far superior to retail stores) and it has transformed our six-panel doors making them appear a lot more modern (and for a lot less £££ than the oak doors that my wife wanted). Even got £50 for the scrap brass 😂

@Jules_Pew 8 ай бұрын

We hand the knobs with 3 screws and a sprung ball latch when we moved in. My 3 boys destroyed them while growing up. Now I have latch handles.

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

Ha yes seen that many times! 😁

@Excel510 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for posting, very clear well presented video, always a pleasure to watch.

@andyc972 8 ай бұрын

Thanks Andy, didn't know that type of latch existed so good to know, I like the scooped sides too to keep good alignment !

@sjfarrell2.03 8 ай бұрын

Bit of a coincidence, I bought a few packets of these exact same latches from Hiatt, earlier in the week. Glad I bought the correct ones.

@shaun30-3-mg9zs 8 ай бұрын

Great video Andy , some time's it's good to watch any DIY video from fitting a door handle to fitting a 13 amp socket, and your video's explain how to do jobs very well. Take care mate👍

@jimh4072 8 ай бұрын

I like those round handles, I had the chrome version in a previous house.

@Doug.... 8 ай бұрын

Really useful tips Andy. Thanks 👍👍

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

No worries Doug! 👍😁

@bikerchrisukk 8 ай бұрын

You well overthink the little details...and I like it 👍

@williamgow6551 8 ай бұрын

Screwed spindle for door handles where quite common when I started to serve my time in older properties

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

Yup! Modern ones are generally rubbish. 😭

@ianpearse4480 8 ай бұрын

Great share. Cheers Andy.

@The1roygbiv 8 ай бұрын

Is it a rule that the screw holes in the plate be horizontal? My parents house in Chicago, IL USA which was built during WWII, had the screw holes in the vertical orientation which eliminated any interference between the screws and the latch.

@Excel510 8 ай бұрын

Seen the comments and I feel the same, if needs must mount the backplate with the screws vertical instead of horizontal.

@cuebj 8 ай бұрын

Recently started going systematically through all our latches (all Howdens best, all 5 years old) as they're loose and squeaky. Disassembly shows very poor quality, and they're grinding themselves to dust inside! Greased and reassembled makes them OK. Too many other expenses at the moment to replace with better latches

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

👍👍

@iantaylor6538 8 ай бұрын

Just checked on toolstation and even the cheapest latch at £1.28 allows for through bolts

@chris_hertford 8 ай бұрын

I'm a convert to the American style latches and handles you just core a hole straight through the door, installs are so quick and the through bolts are much stronger.

@johnthompson3462 8 ай бұрын

In BC Canada to ball handles are banned and onle lever handles allowed,for safety reasons Some people with bad Arthritis have difficulty with ball handles

@gingerelvis 8 ай бұрын

I bought some beautiful teak beehive knobs a while ago, it's worth getting nice handles for such a tactile piece of hardware that you touch regularly. One thing I found out through my own cockup was getting deeper backset latches to clear the doorframe and you're not racking your knuckles. They're a pain to find and more expensive than a standard backset latches but what can you do? I ended up getting Zoo latches, nicely made if a little overpriced.

@dmarriott9701 8 ай бұрын

Why not turn the plate through 90 degrees then both screws miss the latch and fix into solid timber/mdf

@sylviagreybe672 8 ай бұрын

Very interesting video! Quick question: what would be causing a door to not want to close (really stiff/heavy pulling it and jumps out when I try to latch/close it completely)? I have tried adjusting and shimming out each hinge separately - nothing helps?

@drmoonie 8 ай бұрын

Great vid Andy. Do you sometimes have to cut the bolt that connects both handles if too close/thin door?

@Liverpool1ne 8 ай бұрын

Useful informative stuff Andy. Could you tell us what the paint is on the woodwork, looks like a waterbased satin just interested what brand you went for? Cheers 👍🏻

@garyblake3130 8 ай бұрын

I was always taught slotted screw heads go in the direction of the grain and likewise that is what I teach, so downwards as you have done. Must admit round handles like that have never been a thing for me and have always preferred a lever, appreciate that with a rim lock that is what you have to use.

@billybulmer7386 8 ай бұрын

Can’t open the buggers with wet hands can you?

@MrLikerBiker 8 ай бұрын

If you use torx screws you won't have to worry about alignment. I like torx screws

@raydriver7300 8 ай бұрын

That was interesting, as always, Andy. I fitted a new modern ‘hollow’ type door and didn’t know which way it should go. Guess who found out too late that there is writing on the top saying LOCK with an arrow pointing in the right direction? As always with some amateurs: 50% chance of being right and I was wrong again 🌞

@worstuserever 8 ай бұрын

I would just add another caution to that; mark the lock-supporting solid block location elsewhere too before trimming to fit. All of our doorframes are slightly misshapen (is anything built in the UK actually square or plum?) such that every new door needed a trim on at least three sides. I took care to note the lock site as the factory markings would be lost. Obviously this only affects those of us doing it on the cheap! 😁

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

Cheers Ray! Yeah, seen that many times - it's crazy they don't include a lock block on both sides. 🙄😂😎

@raydriver7300 8 ай бұрын

@@GosforthHandyman Now I know what it’s called. Told you I am an amateur 😂🌞

@Monkeh616 8 ай бұрын

@@GosforthHandyman Makes the door 20p cheaper (for them)! I'd just build it with a solid centre rail to begin with.

@ChrisLivingInYork 8 ай бұрын

Hi Andy, excellent video as usual. Can’t seem to find the link to the door handles you mentioned in the video

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

Cheers! Haven't had a sec to add them yet but check back tomorrow. 👍😁

@Tephnos 8 ай бұрын

Hi Andy, got a bit of an unrelated question, but I can't find info on this anywhere! Basically, if I want to mount something in an exact point on the wall (like a TV arm), but the mounting point ends up bang on the edge of a stud, is it suitable to just sister a new stud next to the old one and bolt it to the old one? In this configuration, you'd be putting coach screws through the edges of two studs, and I'm not sure if that will work just fine, or if it just leads to a weaker fixing.

@grandpalarry7776 8 ай бұрын

In the US, we have many latch/lock sets that include the complete unit; latch, knob, backing plates, strike plate/keep, and screws. Are such sets available in the UK or must you purchase the components separately?

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

Sometimes! Although it's sometimes difficult to know exactly what you're getting in the sets. 👍

@krisgair5863 8 ай бұрын

That cheeper catch has rounded edges also, would be a pain to rebate that

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

It's designed for a separate cover plate with square edges. The round edges are so the rebate can be made with a router. 👍

@krisgair5863 8 ай бұрын

@@GosforthHandymanah that makes sence then 😅

@neil_down_south 8 ай бұрын

I bought new handles for my interior doors. The latches are terrible. Any recommendations for replacement brand?

@buildingsbyair 8 ай бұрын

why cant the (2) screw handle be fitted so that they are vertical?

@daviddunbar5754 8 ай бұрын

Just out of interest why didn't you use either countersunk screws compatible with the latch or increase the countersink? I hate screws sticking out like that.

@ianthemonkeyhangerturner 8 ай бұрын

Why not turn the Handel round 90 degrees so the holes are vertical job dune Cheers Ian

@freetolook3727 8 ай бұрын

Or...you can rotate the handle 90° so the screw holes are at top and bottom instead of horizontal. Then the door handle mounting screws go into wood instead of the latch! Problem solved!! 😂😂

@woody1380 8 ай бұрын

...and another thing, why don't they make the rose bigger than the handle so the screw holes can be further out and you don't have ti screw in at an angle.

@oskarsmillers 8 ай бұрын

and founded, that for cheap latches tongue slightly rounded from outside, not in perfect angle. and by some mm wider gap, and push from inside and doors open, without touching handle🤷‍♂️. Replaced to Yale ones, and job done, sorted

@S.JCarpentry 8 ай бұрын

Where did you get the handles with the threaded rod? I usually use through bolts and normally fit door handles. It's rare that a customer wants door nobs these days. On the rare occasion i do get asked to fit them be nice to have option. The last ones i fitted were from ironmongery but wasnt the best

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

I'll pop a link in the description later on - eBay. 👍

@S.JCarpentry 8 ай бұрын

@@GosforthHandyman cheers. I hope you managed to get the KZfaq issue sorted as well.

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

Cheers! No, unfortunately no further forwards on the KZfaq thing. 😥

@oskarsmillers 8 ай бұрын

Good tips. Personally I don't like Round handles for doors.🤷‍♂️but anyway good idea for through bolts, especially when mdf doors. And worth to invest for better quality handle, as top coats lasts much longer, unless you wanna change till next door repainting or cosmetic house upgrade)

@firesurfer 8 ай бұрын

Current standards for accessibility, recommend levers not knobs. Public spaces are required to use levers. BS 8300 2 2018. ''It should be possible to operate all door opening furniture one‑handed, without the need to grasp or twist. Care should be taken in the selection of security and fire exit fittings, such as short lever turn buttons, bolts, latches or locks, with the aim of making them manageable for all users. Wherever possible, door opening furniture used in conjunction with locks and latches should have a lever action. NOTE 1 Knobs with a spherical, circular or similar design, as well as small symmetrical turn buttons, are difficult to use by many people with limited dexterity or limited upper body strength. The torque force required to operate keys and cylinder turns should not exceed 0.5 N·m.''

@MrLikerBiker 8 ай бұрын

I don't understand, why can't can't you rotate the plate by 90 degrees so that it is vertical? If it doesn't match the other handles then change them as well.

@gvanvoor 8 ай бұрын

Since there’s no wood where the hole in the latch is, I fail to see how that hole would help w.r.t. how well the handle is fixed unless you use through-bolts?

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

Bear in mind the plate is purely decorative so there's plenty wood to hold it in position. 👍

@gvanvoor 8 ай бұрын

@@GosforthHandyman i meant the situation where the latch is in the way of the (regular) screws: might as well use shorter screws since there’s no wood where you drilled to put the latch in

@rhock1979 8 ай бұрын

With tubular latch where the screw will hit the tubular latch by screwing the back plate where the screw be locate one facing the top and other facing the bottom. I sure the scree will miss it due to location of holes on back plate

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

I think I'd need to see a picture. 👍🤔

@pedanticsmith5613 8 ай бұрын

..And buy top quality latches. My bathroom latch gave up the ghost after a couple of years. I only managed to free myself because I had a screwdriver in the bathroom.

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

Oh no! Yes, seen that many times too - glad you got out! 😁

@hughtattersall7583 8 ай бұрын

There are different length of latches , short for lever, longer for knobs! Ditto the 90 degree turn.

@hogthrob 8 ай бұрын

Yes, need longer for knobs, or you're forever hitting your knuckles on the door frame.

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

Correct on the latch lengths! Incorrect on the 90 deg turn. 😂👍

@billdoodson4232 8 ай бұрын

Those latches are a real pain. The ones that come from Screwfix and Toolstation in packs of 10 or whatever cheaper than a chocolate bar are particularly rubbish. I have taken ages to fit something suitable for some customers, then the want to know why its cost them £70.

@GreeBoman 8 ай бұрын

Thats some angle you screwed those 3 screws in at!

@stanwest3529 8 ай бұрын

I think you have fitted the wrong length latch for doorknobs should be longer so as not to catch your knuckles on the door frame the latch you have fitted is for levers

@iantaylor6538 8 ай бұрын

Of course if you hadn't wiped the pencil line off the door before you fitted the backplate you would have had a line to get the screws horizontally in line..

@JohnComeOnMan 8 ай бұрын

Seems like a lot of faffing about when Home Depot has rows and rows of handle and latch kits. I can't remember a time when I didn't buy one that way.

@bascodelagamma 8 ай бұрын

👍

@garvielloken3929 8 ай бұрын

Nooice!

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

💪😎

@stuartjones2242 8 ай бұрын

you need to just turn the plate cover 90

@Chrisc-sn6uh 8 ай бұрын

I dont know if its only at my work/ area but we call through bolts, sex bolts. 😂

@enl999 8 ай бұрын

Why make life harder by installing the handle after the cover plate?

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

You've lost me? How could you install the handle before the cover plate?

@enl999 8 ай бұрын

@GosforthHandyman maybe i have wording wrong, but wasn't the round thing separate from the actual knob, so you could have screwed that on, then put the knob on and attached that with the grub screw, or an i missing something?

@Monkeh616 8 ай бұрын

@@enl999 You need the knob to align the plate.

@GosforthHandyman 8 ай бұрын

Ah, gotcha! Yeah, you can do but as Monkeh says it's just easier to align. 👍