タイムアタックしているのもドリドリだけなので、これだけで他の方との区別もできないですけどね。ドリドリだって、峠道でグローブだけってこともありますし。

Which is odd, I completely agree with you, the BRZ/86 platform has much more poise, more stability, less body roll, sets in a corner better and tighter steering when compared to an ND2 (the ND2 does have a pretty communicative rack though, you feel the road in your hands). The reason I say it's odd is because the steel strut front suspension and steel multilink rear on the 86 vs the ND's all-aluminium double wishbone front and multilink rear would suggest better handling, especially combined with its nearly 500lbs weight advantage. But, having driven both, it doesn't translate. I guess there's more to suspension tuning than just the suspension geometry. I guess the longer wheelbase, higher torsional rigidity and lower center of gravity with the boxer engine counteracts all that too

@@tss996gt3 The body roll in the Miata is ridiculous and I don't enjoy it. At all. I assume it can be reduced to acceptable levels with some sway bars.

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Whether he did it on purpose or a mistake the difference is too little.

Im definitely sure that he mentions that the cars are the same, half a second isn’t a massive difference

Well the 86 tends to oversteer and the BRZ to understeer. The 86 is also more track focused so the difference can be there. But half a second in one corner is still quite severe.

I think it really depends on ones driving style. If you prefer something that's more tuned to oversteer you'll do better in that car and vice versa. Probably why I see some vids where the BRZ is faster, but unless you're a professional driver I don't think it's something you'll be able to exploit.

0:09 Sodegaura Forest Raceway

Shut up , u cant drive manual anyway

@@Sasquatch304 well that totally didn't show your age.

@V Lee he was probably trying to see how it performed on its own.

Shifting with "paddles" does not reduce times. Take your own shit box, get a cheap 1/4 mile g meter. Shift the cunt at redline then let it do it itself. I have a genf2 GTS thats 600kw. Its fastest in grandpa touring mode. Sports mode actually makes it lose 2 tenths on the 1/4.

Ok this was a comment for mature people not idiots. I was asking this because I know race car drivers and track day guys utilize the shifters to gear down during braking and also to downshift if the transmission is not using all of the engines capabilities. Please comment if you have value to add.

万能性なら全然Ｓ４の方が上だと思いますよ😸💦知り合いで昔ランエボからＺに買い換えたヤツがいたけど、しばらくして後悔してましたから…🙀💨

@@SACHSENBERG29 そうですか〜。 たしかに万能ですけど、良過ぎてつまらないというか… まぁ、新車で買わなくてもすぐ安くなると思うから乗りつぶしたらそれ狙うのもありかもしれない

新型のS4買いましょう！

@@yymsd735 最近のスバルのテールランプ嫌いなんですよね。インプレッサみたいな感じ S4のコンセプト？予想みたいなやつ見ましたけど…って感じです

それは、悩みますね、もう一台買うってのもありですよ、両方いい車なので

He praised the car's handling ability and improved torque in low RPM In the other video, He also said the car feels like a fully changed model not a minor changed model. He was really impressed by the car overall .

He said that mainly, there is a difference in the suspension settings; GR 86 tends to turn more easily, BRZ tends to have more stability.

@@souichikawana419 Well it's clearly more than suspension settings.

@@sunrisesunset1734 Yes, you are right! Now we know that there are some differences between the two cars. That was more than I expected. Not only the suspension settings but also the material of the front axle hub, the diameter of the stabilizer shaft, the structure of the stabilizer, the connection method of the rear stabilizer to the body, the presence or absence of the rear subframe reinforced brace bar, the hardness of the bush of the rear trading arm, etc.

@@souichikawana419 More than I expected too.

Sure, if you ignore the mistakes

There basically the same car... so I say it's down to the tiny mistakes that the times are different not the car themselves

He purposely did some errors on both runs with the BRZ. Just my opinion.

Yeah look at the first corner for BRZs vs GR86s. And when you lose half a second on the first corner in momentum cars like these, they only magnify later on. You can't make up for them later on in the lap. This guy is clearly a Toyota paid driver.

先代でも最終型は300万～350万円でしたからね。

私は350万～500万と予想しています、旧型と同じ価格なら割安でしょうね。

あんまり変わらない気がしますから、高くても320万程ではないでしょうか？ 安くても290万とか(´・ω・｀)

NO, he put it in sport mode. usually with modern sports cars, the sport auto mode is pretty good so there's no real need for a test

@@philspaghet if you read my comment properly you will see that i've mentioned he was using sport mode , believe modern car or not , if you are trying to achieve a better time lap you will have to use manual mode and shift your self to keep the engine speed at it best since its a NA engine , even on DSG transmission which is away smarter and faster then the Auto on the 86 you still need to shift your self , otherwise i dont see what the use or a Manual shifting mode available on the car and the paddles , its like you are driving a manual , transmission and trying to achieve best time without heel and toe on downshift

@@Crypto_mining_lab Maybe so but I doubt it would make much of a practical improvement in lap time

@@philspaghet it would actually , since we are talking about 1 to 2 second difference between manual and Auto . , i owned an Auto BRZ for 5 years , used it for time attack and FI kits developments , and believe go i could go faster than any manual , with a bigger final drive , since the Auto had longer gear ratio than manual

@@Crypto_mining_lab interesting. Most people use manual for time attack even at the higher levels. Even if the final drive is higher most guys swap in custom LSDs at some point from the events I've attended. The manuals are also lighter and deliver power more directly.

He praised the engine 2.4L more torque, as well as the general stability. He seemed to have praised the BRZ's stability more, and the GR86 more prone to drifting/slipping, but not in an uncontrolled manner at all. He also says both vehicles feel very solid and suspension is very solid. He says he wants to buy one haha.

LOL any day of the week

Looks odd on camera, yet in reality the GR86 looks slightly better in my opinion and is even more fun to drive (at least from my few minutes driving it).

Because it's set up to rotate under braking. That's the main problem of the owners of 1st gen when taken to the track. Now it seems like it's taken the s2000 approach.

@@mrdogfight1 Sure a lot of people complain about trail braking (particularly in the facelifted 86), but it just looks like its 'too' loose under braking AND mid corner. Those aren't Prius tires! It will be interesting to see what the international journalists think of it, because I can't understand anything these guys are saying and even translation wise you still can't tell if they are being properly honest.

@@mrdogfight1 Toyota has really done well with the suspension setup for the GR86. The BRZ will please the masses since it doesn’t deviate that much from the previous generation in terms of handling characteristics. I agree the GR86 has taken the S2000 route and it seems to be the right route. Watching how pro drivers drive in GT cars, the GR86 acts similarly dynamically. Almost like driving a go-kart managing slip angle. I plan on saving up for the GR86.

@@Blight-fp3vt @Blight I beg to differ. If it's too loose as you say DK wouldn't have confidence driving it to the to the fullest. And the time is the proof. Being the fastest of the 4 tells us he can control the car as he would like it to behave. It's half a sec faster than the brz. Its understeery nature robbed it that much in a small track mind you. I remember him saying that the mx5 rf is too loose and didn't like it. You can watch it for preference. But that's not the case here.

@@mrdogfight1 Potentially. But drift king is a little bias towards any 86 :) I'm pretty sure I saw more mistakes on that Manual BRZ run than any other run. You could be right of course. And part of my problem is not being able to hear from the critics in my own language - I find it hard to assess these Japanese celeb test drives.

スピーカーへ繋がってる配線切ればいいんじゃね？

ssmでオフできる

そりゃ全然違うジャンルだから仕方が無いよー

@@yamatora8504 そんなことないと思います。 スポーツカーでなくてもオートマや電スロの制御によってはかなりドライバビリティ高いです。

差はあると思いますよ。 主に｢直線の速さ｣

五味康隆さんの動画見ればわかりますよ

MT has better response. GR86/BRZ NEEDS a MT! AT is boring

I think he can't get used to the BRZs more understeery characteristics. The 86 should still be a bit faster but not by that much.

NAのまま400cc上がったくらいで逐一ネーミングで騒ぐなやw

そんなこと言い出したら既存のスポーツカーなんて全部ネーミング詐欺になってまうやん

同じようなこと初代でも言ってたよな。直4じゃねーなら86名乗るなとかテンロクじゃねーのかよとか。ケチつけるのは一丁前だな

パワーこんなに上がったけど、値段変わってないから、許して。

BRZは別に良いのでは…？Boxer Engine Rear Drive Zenithって意味も先代も新型も合ってると思いますよ。

ガセ？ 情報ぜんぜんヒットしない。

ドリキンが今更メーカーに媚び売るわけ無いじゃん

ドリキンは基本的に優しいインプレだぞ 相当悪いとこがあったり個人的に気に入らない部分があると言う

ケツが出るとかアンダーとか言ってるのは、受け取る側の好み次第でネガティブな部分では？

HONDAには媚び売るけどトヨタならライバルやしHONDA潰しにかかってるメーカーだから容赦ないと思うよ

@@lmp1411 今のドリキンがHONDAに媚びて何になるんや？？