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@Total_Body_Fitness_USA11 ай бұрын
What I've learned is to always make sure you optimize your thyroid function FIRST before going on TRT. I was hyperthyroid and for the life of me could not figure out why I could inject 30mg 2x per week and have my total T at 2000. My SHBG was through the roof at 152 and sure enough after checking thyroid function my free T4 was 4.4 and my free T3 was 15 which is 4X above the high end of the normal range. Yes, I was experiencing all kinds of anxiety, fast resting heart rate, and feeling hot. I lost 13 pounds in 2 weeks before I pin pointed what the heck was going on. Oh, I was also doing HCG 300iu 3x weekly and turns out HCG can mimic TSH and stimulate thyroid production. In my case though, I have 2 tiny nodules on my thyroid that the endocrinologist thinks is stimulating production. So, sorry for blabbing, but my whole point is this. If you notice that you have an elevated SHBG, check your thyroid function and just don't brush it off as getting older or having liver issues. I'm 58 and that's exactly what I did despite all my liver tests coming back normal. So, I just chalked it up as getting older and blew it off until one morning I woke up with a resting heart rate of 120bpm and then drove pretty fast to the ER where they found the thyroid problem. Pay attention to your body and don't ignore how you feel. Great video!
@budprepper381111 ай бұрын
My doctor freaked out with my total at 1400. She admits she doesn't know anything about it. Now she reduced it. I'm sick of these doctors that don't know anything . . .
@kschrop11 ай бұрын
Same thing just happened to me the other day! mine was 1100 and also have a female PA telling me I need to cut my dose. I had a male PA before her for 2 years that was also on TRT that understood numbers do not matter as long as my labs look good, That's the ticket. nothing against female clinicians however they have no clue and will stick to numbers only... As long as your labs look good, stick with what's best for you! All the best man 💪
@APR70211 ай бұрын
The free t to estrogen ratio is the only thing that matters . Along side shbg and H&H . Total is pretty much ancillary
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
@budprepper3811 Thank you for sharing! Enjoy your weekend!
@daviddavid105711 ай бұрын
@@APR702 And what exactly should the ratio be between estrogen and free T?
@Systemlord3011 ай бұрын
I’m on Jatenzo @ 237 mg twice daily, peak 988 and trough 264, all within a 12 hour period. I once accidentally took two doses in the morning and was way stronger in the gym, got a 1052 at 5 hours, exactly double my norm. Doctors won’t allow it because HCT is already 51%. I’ve had my HCT at 57% and no issues at all, felt great. As far as high Hematocrit, doctors are always sighting harm done by diseases that cause high hematocrit. I purpose it’s the disease causing the harm, not the high hematocrit numbers.
@nt352311 ай бұрын
I've learned more from this channel and a guy that used to be here than anywhere. Dose is irrelevant. My doc started me at 200 mgs a week. I was 220lbs, 6'2". My total T went over 2000. Free was 57. E2 was 82. I felt like crap. Anxiety so bad I could barely function. Now my dose is 98 mgs a week and that puts me at 1100 total, 21 free. Way better.
@APR70211 ай бұрын
Crazy how bad overdosed feels almost like being low does
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
@nt3523 Thank you for sharing! Enjoy your weekend!
@killerb572625 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I’m starting next week and the doctor is starting me at 100mgs a week and I’m instantly thinking it’s not enough. Glad to finally hear someone that was put on too much to start.
@nt352323 күн бұрын
@@killerb5726 All I can tell you is be patient. Give it 8 weeks on your dose. Don't expect instant results. It might get worse before it gets better. And remember that imbalance causes side effects, not certain levels. Good luck.
@killerb572622 күн бұрын
@@nt3523 Thanks!
@jsweetness511 ай бұрын
Dr. Grant and Dr. Nichols are legends.
@jsweetness511 ай бұрын
The most important and impactful thing he said was focusing on your marriage. Focusing on each other and investing in each other will help your sex life.
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
100% Enjoy your weekend!
@davidboyle119311 ай бұрын
@TRTandHormoneOptimization I take 1ml per week is that to much
@scooodlescorn407011 ай бұрын
I have been on TRT for 14 months now. I research all the time, because I just want to optimize how I feel. This is the best, most informative, video I have seen yet. Thank you so much!
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
Great to hear!
@dlloydy535611 ай бұрын
Great info & conversation. Easy to follow the open ‘expert’. Not too defensive as others can be. Easy to listen to Jordan. In my view he cares about the right things.
@liftingdermatologist11 ай бұрын
100%
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
@dlloydy5356 Thank you *so much* ! Enjoy your weekend!
@mikeyoung100210 ай бұрын
Excellent content ; suggestions and recommendations. I’m 52 and have been on TRT for 2 years and my dose has been reduced ; because I changed my lifestyle and diet !!! I went from 100mg/wk to almost half - 60mg/wk. my total T is 747 ng/dl. Nutritional foods ; organic ; grass fed; and avoid plastics.
@zmb55014 ай бұрын
Impressive
@mikewilliams211211 ай бұрын
You guys are great!!! Please keep TRT out there, thank you so much! And for those who bad mouth the cream, it works incredibly for me!
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing!!
@A_Walk_In_Their_Shoes4 ай бұрын
After 1 year on injections with a doc who has not dod labs once...I'm ready to start cream and do my own labs.
@eddiebyrd712811 ай бұрын
Thank you Dr Devos for your dedication to educating us on trt and hormone optimization.
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
It's my pleasure! Enjoy your weekend!
@mattmason458911 ай бұрын
Godsend😊
@abcdefgh440411 ай бұрын
Congrats both of you for this excellent podcast 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
@abcdefgh4404 Thank you *so much* !
@lilesmw11 ай бұрын
Thank you very helpful as a new HRT man
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it! Enjoy your weekend!
@WJHandyDad11 ай бұрын
great stuff as always!
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
Appreciate that !
@user-rk9wk5uo2h10 ай бұрын
Dr grant was my doctor when he lived in Louisiana. Was a breath of fresh air after dealing with practitioners for years that didn’t understand treatment. I’m curious about his switch to topical as he said it made him feel better and reduced “brain fog”. I’m currently in a total of 130 mg per week injectable split in 3 doses. Was wondering if he uses a compounded cream or switched to something like androgel. Also, does he have a conversion in swapping from injectable to topical that actually seems to be comparable.
@marshallsaltzman99245 ай бұрын
He’s definitely talking about compounded cream, gel barely does anything
@daviddavid105711 ай бұрын
Great stuff, thank you so much guys! 👍🏻
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Enjoy your weekend!
@daviddavid105711 ай бұрын
@@TRTandHormoneOptimization Jullie ook!👋🏻
@RickyRyan7 ай бұрын
Interesting how everything Jordan says makes him feel better on the cream was the opposite for me. When I switched to injection I got better clarity, sleep and steady energy. As he says, everyone is different.
@brianfenech1011 ай бұрын
Just a note that if one is on HCG that will raise their testosterone slightly so in the end they might get away with a lower TRT does.
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
Good point
@mariusradulescu243110 ай бұрын
Well, my total T was like ~340 ng/dL and I barely hit ~570 ng/dL with Nebido (4ml per month). Now switched to Sustanon 1ml / week and will do a new test soon to check my levels.
@TRTandHormoneOptimization10 ай бұрын
@mariusradulescu2431 Thank you for sharing!
@TjRonin11 ай бұрын
Great video & breakdown appreciate your work
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!! Enjoy your weekend!
@chrisl228511 ай бұрын
Dr. Grant is awesome! He started me on the cream with 2 clicks in the morning and if I wanted to try it, one click in the evening. Unfortunately, the cream didn't agree with me and left me with a raw and chapped ass. :(
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
@chrisl2285 Thank you for sharing! Enjoy your weekend!
@Rickmaki11 ай бұрын
Great Video Steven !!! Very Informative..
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
Thanks 👍 Enjoy your weekend!
@music-writinglife1813Ай бұрын
I'm on 5ml which I guess is 50mg ??? once a week, My numbers are from memory 569 and I feel good started at 239 I would like to see 700-900 I'm 67 yrs old, after my next check and I'm still in the 500's I might talk to the Doc about going to 100mg
@krane153 ай бұрын
Well I can't get the cream. All my doctor says is the Androgel or injections. Does anybody find relief from the gel? Is there a percentage of the whole for its effectiveness? Anyway, that's what I chose for the first quarter which starts this week. I had to go through 5 doctors just to get that far. Not sure what the big deal is. Great discussion.
@doctorstrange6911 ай бұрын
I'm dating a young lady half my age with a high libido and mine went through the roof.
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
@doctorstrange69 Thank you for sharing! 😎👍
@counterbalancelife430510 ай бұрын
The most common cause of low libido in older men is older women.
@brianpulley8652Ай бұрын
So I'm 52 and train 3 to 4 days a week and my test results came back at total 454mg/dl and free at 16.1ng/dl and the lab is say my free is high....smh I've felt like 💩 for the past 4 years living off caffeine and energy drinks forcing myself to train.
@PauloTravelsАй бұрын
Unfortunatelly cream didn't work for me. I take 400mg daily, 4 pumps a day and my free T is 22 ng/L and I feel angry a lot, but no other benefit, and it's expensive in Canada to stay in the long term.
@LarsonautАй бұрын
What is 2 clicks of cream in mg testosterone? That was not well explained
@darrinuhl81034 ай бұрын
Hi Dr Devos. Can you tell me how up to date is your e-book “The Ultimate Guide to Cream”? Are there newer cream products available (such as 300mg, etc.) that did not make it into the book? Thanks, Darrin
@johnsonville1brats7 ай бұрын
using 50mg in the am and 50mg in pm trans scrotal 20% compounded cream my total is around 700 ng/dl and free T is 173 2 hrs after application. I live at high elevation 11,000 feet and my hematocrit was getting too high around 60. I'm trying to find the lowest effective dose. Has anyone taken only 1 dose a day as opposed to 2. I worry that the half life is so short that only one dose would have my levels too low before my next dose.
@joeblow95488 ай бұрын
I have periferal artery disease in my legs is test going to affect this in any way
@wellscraft10 ай бұрын
My Endo prescribed my 80mg a week and my blood levels average 550 to 600. I asked him if I could try 100mg a week and he said it was risky. It sounds like most guys get prescribed a lot more. Anyone know a doctor in the Dayton Ohio area that is more in line with you guys?
@quantumfx267710 ай бұрын
If the cream wasn't so expensive I would use it. Testosterone is so cheap the mark up is insane.
@marcusaurelius55768 ай бұрын
I'm 65 and on 160 mg test cyp per week 80mg twice a week. Also hcg twice a week. 1035 total test 222 free test. Feel great but BP a bit high and libido very Inconsistent. Why is libido not so good and not holding an erection for long even on Cialis. ? Thick blood high BP ?
@marshallsaltzman99245 ай бұрын
Increase frequency. What is your hcg dose?
@tariqramadan152111 ай бұрын
I made the mistake i drew blood after the shot my level was 1506 ng dl
@tariqramadan152111 ай бұрын
Like 2 days after the shot
@tariqramadan152111 ай бұрын
@mff1308 hi I took 0.5 ml and my age is 33 but took the blood test 2 days after injection
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
@tariqramadan1521 Thank you for sharing! Enjoy your weekend!
@OGAesthetics11 ай бұрын
Whats jordans full trt protocol?
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
Come into the FB group and post and tag Jordan.
@Mark-nx7mr6 ай бұрын
50 MG is not low .
@dcoello69305 ай бұрын
what is your clinic?
@malekmalek906411 ай бұрын
👍
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
Fijne zondag!
@malekmalek906411 ай бұрын
@@TRTandHormoneOptimization jij ook makker
@bogse5 ай бұрын
You are talking about injecting 1 or twice a week or even every day. What about Nebido, is that total BS since injected like every 3 months?
@TRTandHormoneOptimization5 ай бұрын
Most experts here agraa on at least twice a week injections. We did 2 videos on Nebido: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oNKCZsVkss2ulJs.htmlsi=htUF4HkZXW7BVt5K and kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nddhqblnr6jYeIE.htmlsi=IaL626wMYk_ERwyW
@bogse5 ай бұрын
Thanks man!@@TRTandHormoneOptimization
@Dave_Bee11 ай бұрын
Doc what about the minority of men that don’t aromatize enough on trt ? For example on 175mg per week my e2 is 11. Total t was 880 day 6 post injection. Should I just crank my dose up ?
@quantumfx267710 ай бұрын
Are you splitting up that dose to twice a week?
@Dave_Bee10 ай бұрын
@@quantumfx2677 I’ve actually gone back to once a week now .
@Godsillah889 ай бұрын
could be a copper deficiency
@Dave_Bee9 ай бұрын
@@Godsillah88 I’ll be sure to check that, I was supplementing with zinc regularly which depletes copper , but recently stopped taking it so we’ll see if it gets better .
@marshallsaltzman99245 ай бұрын
Is that during your peak or trough?
@benjaminshuetrim987411 ай бұрын
Is Dr Devos only on TRT? 😂
@TRTandHormoneOptimization11 ай бұрын
Yes, I am. Compounded 20% T cream 2x2click daily The muscle comes from genetics+33 years of working out (I was muscular way before TRT)
@benjaminshuetrim987411 ай бұрын
@@TRTandHormoneOptimization Thank you Sir!
@torusuniverse10 ай бұрын
A doctor that dosen't undestand chemistry...
@marshallsaltzman99245 ай бұрын
Care to elaborate?
@dawnforsey111 ай бұрын
Just looking for a explanation, if there is one 🫣 I'm 56 on 50mg every 5days. All my blood tests are within normal limits except LDL cholesterol 5.46mmol/L. Libido is fine but erections are bad. doctor wanted to put me on a statin. Can anyone give me some advice or point me in the right direction of information 🙏 thanks in advance
@brianm740211 ай бұрын
That's a pretty small dose IMO. What is your total and free test levels?