I'm glad I was not the only one who noticed the importance of his comment as well.

Yes the tables have turned!

I think he summed up a few things with his comments. Like, she had no history of screwing around with young boys before him. And that she "was ripped away from him" when he was a young kid. And when he said she was his best friend. Sure, as a 30something woman, it was wrong for her to have a relationship with her 12 year old student. And she suffered the consequences for it and went to prison for years. But when she got out, and he was grown adult, HE fought for the right to be with her. And he married her stayed with her pretty much for the rest of her life.. That in itself also says alot, too. You can see the sadness on his face, and hear the grief in his voice when talking about her. Its plain to see that he loved her, and as he said..she was his best friend. Also, as he said, its very easy for others pass judgement on her, and on their relationship. They don't know her, and they don't know him. What happened in the past was wrong, but at some point after she had served her time for it, it was a lawfully consensual relationship and their feelings for each other were valid and true. Take what u will from that observation, im just trying to point out that its not a black and white issue, and the situation is too nuanced and has too many variables and plot twists to pass any kind of accurate judgement on it.

It is not abnormal to be sexually attracted to someone above the age of puberty. Of course, in our society, people don't let their minds go there because of all the reasons why such a relationship is not likely to work out well. However functioning adults, especially the married ones, are not supposed to give in to every sexual attraction that crosses their minds.

@@mattjack3983 like Vili Pointed out Mary had no history of doing anything inappropriate with miniors pre meeting Vili or after she taught him in 2nd grade in 1991 and even when she taught him again in 1996 during the whole fall of 1995 Spring of 1996 school year there was Nothing inappropriate or sexual being done. They didn't start dating until the summer of 1996 when Vil was no longer her student and he had graduated from primary school. Since primary school or Elementary school in Seattle Washington region ends at 6th grade. These kinds of relationships where older people and younger people getting together was a pretty common practice in most of world history when people died during. pervious generations of human history because of diseases and childbirth so people had to get married or get together earlier and become adults earlier. This was common up untill the 1950s and 60s you had Elvis Pressly who dated and later married Priscilla Presley when he was 24 she was aged 14 years old

He doesn't feel that way. Even well into adulthood he never saw her that way. I respect him.

He should have said something to His parents at the time when He was 13

Yes, I’m glad Villi has a clear state of mind. God guided him this way. I’m hoping too he and his daughters are in a therapy to continue to live a healthy life and thrive.

@@natgmac6625 Healthy? Healthy life? What is healthy about this entire circumstance?

Gazpacho Suave you will never be able to separate the past and the current, there is nothing normal about it.

@@rjclar1Come to terms with their past and grief, and go on to live happy, healthy lives. Mary Kay died in July of Cancer.

@@VintageRose75 Poor kid is finally free from the monster. Amen!

Not condoning what she did but her ex husband divorced her. She was a devout catholic,not wanting to divorce.

@@staceymccord9557 Yep Catholics Rape children all the time... including thousands of Priests.!

@@staceymccord9557bc he found out she was grooming a child!!? Who would stay with a child abuser!?

She was such a devout catholic she decided to rape a 12 year old boy continuously

It was less than 20 years which is not the point... Of course it baffles those of us who know what's right and what's wrong and that grooming a child is wrong... She was a narcissistic person with wrapped worldview, no point in trying to understand that

Yes yes yes

Thank you!!!!!! Yes! Soooo much trauma!

Stockholm syndrome. Look at the old interviews she’s always speaking FOR HIM.

Trauma bond for sure

She was the Boss

Are you stupid. He loved her and always had!! Hello that's the story. It couldn't be stopped!

He’s not a kid, but I get what you mean. He is very hurt because he lost his problematic best friend.

when you fall in love we don't look at age

@@rosamunoz7066 OH SHUT UP, there is NO love between an adult and a child!

​@@rosamunoz7066Leave kids alone.

I sensed that too. Looking at his body language said it all even though he didn't speak much about it. He did what was right as a Father regardless of his age. He stood by them and their Mother through thick and thin. He was raised right, he just got mixed up in something he thought was ok thn.

It's sad that in that interview she didn't see anything wrong as a Mother to son's😢 but saw what she wanted and felt herself is right for her.

He was RAPED & he should have had counseling when he was 12. It is too late to help him. He has been living under a lie for too long. He married his rapist & called it love.

@Gloria Vargo Vili has been trauma-bonded. He will go on to be an empath or a Narcissist. Victim or victimizer. If he can see that he has been trauma-bonded, he may be helped since he is an empath but he is going to need a therapist who is highly qualified in Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

@Lin Sin Are you a survivor?

@Lin Sin Thank you. These people can fool the professionals. The one indicator that can be spotted early on is that they blame everyone else and exterior factors. They are the victims. They have very limited insight and working with them takes years..

@@seriouslyjoking2 No, he does need help, it’s obvious that he developed the Stockholm Syndrome, poor guy!

He has honor & integrity. I have nothing but respect & admiration for Villi Falou!

Ikr. Hes such a terrible interviewer

I'm sitting here wondering the same thing.. where's the empathy/sympathy in this situation!? Covid or not, he could've handed him a box of tissues!!

I absolutely agree. Ozzie’s questions were ridiculous. I thought it was just me. I had to come to the comments! Your comment is right on point! And I’m correct & I agree...no empathy whatsoever. 👿💫🤷🏽‍♀️

Ikr!!! It is actually disturbing. Thank God he is not a child psychologist or any type of psychologist....well I don't think he is....

Dr. Oz is just about nurturing as a steak knife.

Pink roses 33 thumb so very good people a brain and got two lovely children. He said she was his wife and best friend

I think they screwed up the editing, the second half of this video was supposed to go into detail about their daughters' life? At least that's what Dr. Oz announced, instead they just replayed the 1st half..

@pinkroses, definitely!

Yeah leave the guy alone he deserve the best life ahead in the future...🙏

Fr

Carmen banis the kids would know both of their parents they lived as a family for many years he never says a bad word about Mary so

He looks pretty devastated she’s dead tbh

Bravo!! 🤗

When asked about Mary in one interview, I noted he had no good thing to say about her.

Exactly

Excellent point.

@ Maria Eisma: clearly it was done in exchange for mentioning the go fund me Vili has set up, so for that he had to sit there and be tortured by Oz's intrusive probing questions. He is very obviously in emotional pain; I'll pass on judging and wish him well as he navigates through the sadness from his loss.

They may have paid him also. He is still hurting 😢 It's been a long time since I've seen a genuinely sincere interview like this. I remember when this story made headlines 😬😬

He went on the show to promote his go fund me page.

He could've declined the interview.

Amen💞

I have a soft spot for both of them. Crying.....I watched everything related to them...Villi, I shared your feelings, I love you and Mary K!!!

@Gloria Vargo 1000%

Right he doing a go fund me he got alot of options for money

I hope he makes a bundle too. Good for him Since he's got a GoFundMe fund now, he obviously is needing help with money. I hope he makes a mint.

Exactly. I've been following this case since 1996 at the age of 21.

I hope home huge success with this book as well, he sure deserves it!

Oz is fkd up

@eastern sunrise VERY mature for 12!

He probably was having flashbacks the entire talk

The man needs a lot of Therapy

The video repeated itself.

Spot on regarding the emotional equality! She looked and acted like a very young girl...Its so complicated and not even just about chronological/emotional ages. It doesn't excuse Mary Kay for her actions, because she had the added experience of 'life experience' but I think she viewed life through the rose coloured glasses of a teenager while using her 'adult' experience and knowledge to manipulate. In an ideal world, his Parents would have stopped it before it really got started....Its a huge tragedy, the fallout of which will affect the lives of Vili and their Daughters for the rest of their lives....I pray they come through it in the end...

I totally agree. She must have been emotionally very immature. What grown mature woman would have anything in common with a 12 year old boy.

Rosy O'Rose funny you should say that cause he looked so much older than her.

Something happened for sure!

Her father had an affair, the story is online his name is en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P._Schmitz

Child sexual abuse is always complex. Most don't understand the dynamics.

@@belladonna5904 She never forced him to anything

@@voltanhawk1505 That’s what groomers do. She met him in 2nd grade at 8yo, she even insinuated he was already coming *on to her at that age. She was a pedophile and obsessed with this single child.

There's nothing complex about pedophilia. Stop!

She will not rest in peace. I hope she stuffers.

But he is still clearly brainwashed by her .

I agree,yes.

Coloring? In sixth grade???

Exactly! If it was 35 year old male teacher that was caught having sex in the back of his truck with a 12 year old girl and knocked her up, he'd still be in jail.

@@AlexandertheGreat99 maybe not coloring, but certainly not what that pervert icky Mary was doing to him in the back of her car.

he might of not wanted his kids to grow up with separated parents or something

@@JP-ks7ey he said that’s why he married her.

@@laurad324 oh so he didn't love her, only married her because of the kids, so if it weren't for the kids, he probably would of tossed her aside when she thought it was love

Yeah. She was pretty so of course he had an adolescent interst in her but he also didn't grow up in a stable family so likely, consciencously or not, he was seeking mothering which Mary Kay obviously took advantage of. It's SUPER hard to seperate from someone you're codependently linked to even if the dynamic is unhealthy. It's just that usually the situation is in the reverse with the man having the upper hand.

Her allowing him to touch her sexually when he was 12 was a pedofile ,and yes it was very very wrong!!!

@@gabrielacruz8746 She didn't prey on other kids. That's all he's saying. I don't condone this but somehow, the two of them had some odd bond.

I mean, his wife just died. I'd say his reaction is pretty normal.

@Yo Ma You don't have to like it, but they were married. For a long time.

Mary Kay was a Narcissist who only thought about her needs. Narcissists create TRAUMA bonds...Stockholm syndrome. It is so nice to read a comment where someone GETS it. Compassion for the victim. HELL for the PERP. That is what she was...a predator.

@@jasminehouston-burns1691 YOU don't understand. Mary Kay controlled him. She manipulated him from the age of 12 years-old and she was his rapist. If Mary Kay was a man who molested a 12 year-old girl & married her, you would think that was a marriage? A marriage is for two consenting equals...THEY were never equal.

He will always love her

@@voltanhawk1505 You don't know that

...or he may still be in denial or continue to compartmentalize his grief and his abuse. We are not oracles, we don't know how he will fill in future.

@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 His friends have confirmed that he will always love her and i think they know him better

It’s not uncommon for victims that have children with their abusers, to put the burden on themselves to keep their families together. We see it more with teen girls but it still happens with boys: tragic

THANK YOU! You are one of the few that GET IT>She molested a 12 year-old boy. He was trauma-bonded>Stockholm syndrome. He never stood a chance. What does a 30 year-old woman have in common with a 12 year-old boy? NOTHING.

He fought the restraining order against her at the age of 21. The law did try to protect him.

Jane Dougherty untrue. He loves her

@@joyceanthony9526 Of course, he loved her. Ever hear of Stockholm syndrome. The victims feel compassion for their abusers. His brain is messed up from the age of 12 years old. I hope that you never have to experience a Narcissist in your life...because if you did...you would have seen the DEVIL himself>>>and he dresses up to look like the prettiest & smartest & sexiest..and try to leave them..and you will experience trauma.

seriouslyjoking2 no way. He loved her from day one.

Exactly

True

She was his great love you can ask his closest friends and they will confirm

No. No, we can't.

@@MindyBeee if you can't focus on supporting him and their daughters during a time when they need support the most that makes you a sad ass excuse of a person who prays on other people's miseries.

Amen... Thank you!! I couldn't have said it any better! They were seperated for many years and for whatever reasonn they wanted to still be with each other. There was something there that we will never see or never understand!! I really do think he pursued her. But it is what it is. Now it's done and over. After all their legal trouble they made a life together and raised 2 beautiful and intelligent and good human beings. That's what matters. And they're not sitting here and allowing the kids to do the same thing. So they learned from it. You live and you learn!! I just hope now that he will have time to enjoy new things and live a new life. He's still pretty young so maybe even have some more kids and make someone very happy! Im sure he'll be just fine. People gotta stop looking at him like they do. He's just a normal guy like everyone else. Well at least that's what i think about it! Lol!

It can’t be left out, because this is the basis of why this man is in the limelight to begin with.

@@doingme8384 👍👍👍

I felt the same way when he said that “preference” ya no. Somethings not right. I hope he gets help. 🙏

Sex with children is a compulsion and it destroys the child. A pedophile needs to be contained in a jail cell away from all children. Mary Kay was a Narcissist..a predator who manipulated every moment of Vili's life. Becoming pregnant by a 12 year-old. Let's remember that she had four children that she abandoned for sex with another child. SICK< twisted>jail for life.

Was thinking the same!!!

💯

Maybe because he loved her and didn't see her as a pedophile. Did you people ever stop to think of that? You all act like you know this man personally from the time he was 12 years old constantly hitting on Mary Kay, coming on to her at every turn and yes, she should have ran away as fast as she could but it wasn't ALL HER!!! Have a tiny bit of decency for gosh sake!

And there is no justification for spelling "Pedophilia " the way you did.

Lmao😂

@@samsam6535 There is something really wrong with you if the only thing bothering you is the way I spelled a word

@@arleneirizarry8468 no there is something wrong about YOU for being so worked up

@@samsam6535 Its a very serious situation

More so than the trolls on here

And am glad how he was able to answer those tricky questions and was not buried with his answers,smart man!

You are a troll

Yeah very true he was deeply in love with Mary so sad she left so early leaving hm behind.

@ Gloria Vargo. .....this is where that bible verse fits in **The wages of sin is death.Roman 6:23. In the presence of God and witnesses she was still bonded to Steve as husband and wife. This is very unlawful to GOD. The husband and children should be her priority that time.

It is TRAGIC...since he was RAPED at 12 years old. How would you like your son to come home and tell you that he was "in love" with his teacher? If it were my son, I would say...Perfectly normal, next week, it will be the girl next door. THAT is normal. What Mary Kay did was to create a trauma bond...it's called Stockholm Syndrome and he never developed a sense of self...to discriminate. He was RAPED by an ADULT woman who was married who abandoned her own children. Please spare me your lack of depth...your attitude perpetuates this as normal. You are not normal. There was no MAN in this story...VILI was a child.

Don't let it traumatise you to much it was not your life

He left her before she got sick. It was an attachment. He lost his romantic love for her ages ago. He came back when she was sick because he is soft hearted and he still cared. But that's it, he is aware enough to know that wasn't real love.

They produced two very beautiful daughters, so it's not all sad.

@@controllerbrain 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢

This was actually an unacceptable love story. Mary Kay should have divorced her husband and stayed celibate until Vili turned 18.

Thank you.

@@imangiomo He agreed to this interview and knew what it was going to be about. Sometimes it helps the grieving process to talk about the person and remember them fondly, and that's what he did. He probably also wanted to get it out there that he hadn't been with her just because of obligation (since they had children together) but because he loved her, that they helped each other, and got 2 wonderful children out of their marriage.

I totally agree

What better time, he's on television lol

He went there after

DeliiStay Tru, I feel the same way too, he shouldn't be bringing that subject up on the show that's so tacky I'm surprised at Dr. Ozzy, no class reminds me of Opera Winfrey

@@amieelopez2780 you replied to a comment that I cannot find...so, I am going to answer it here. A 12 year-old cannot consent to engaging in a sexual relationship with an adult. IT IS RAPE. RAPE is not about SEX. It is about POWER & CONTROL. Of course, he is a curious 12 year-old going through puberty & his hormones are raging & he wants to have sex. Well..when that is with another in their teenage years...it is understandable. When it is with an adult, it is RAPE. An adult manipulates & primes their target just like Mary Kay. You, obviously, know NOTHING about Narcissistic Personality Disorder which Mary Kay was diagnosed by the Court psychologist during her first trial. Please read up on it because it may save your life one day. These people are not only predators, but they destroy your life in more ways than one. Please don't bother to reply as I will delete any more of your comments. You are either young, inexperience or just plain stupid. But I am not going to engage in a discussion with someone who is ignorant. oh...and I am being NICE because your comment has me heated & I took the time to explain how your comment was clearly ignorant.

Deliiistay, i agree, we already know the story years ago, it was on the news talk show, everywhere! He's grieving the lost of his wife and children mother, where's the sympathy? Not even a tissue🤔sad😥

@@hillaryedwards567 Not a tear is shed for an "adult" who stole a child's innocence...not even a dribble.. But I do shed a tear for Vili who was raped by this so-called adult. Twisted adults do not deserve tears.

@@amieelopez2780 right!! Its craziness tasteless if you ask me.

Amen!

100% agree. The entire family needs a family therapist, so they can peel back the layers of everything.. in a way her passing can let vili heal. He was taken from his childhood.. and had kids as a minor! I couldnt even imagine. The situation is just sad all the way around tho.. everyone was hurt.

She could have waited..when you love someone you have their best interests at heart. She got pregnant, didnt protect this young child and turned him into a father at 13!

@@marcogiambelli9475 Eww, I just don't see how you can "love" a 12 year old kid in that way sick!

@@svasianfilipiname6603 only a person with issues would. That still doesnt mean she should have acted upon those feelings.

Adults that are attracted sexually to prepubescent children are pedophiles. This was not love. It had nothing to do with love. Mary Kay liked to romanticize it so that people would accept it and she could keep doing it. She was a 35 year old woman that was turned on by a little boy's penis. Sick! This is was she was doing when she should have been home taking are of her 4 little children. She chose to pleasure herself and get what she wanted and did not have any remorse ever. He's not going to disparage her now that she is dead because he's a good person and he's protecting his daughters. However, someday those girls are going to be mothers and possibly have little boys and it will hit them like a ton of bricks what their mother was.

Very true. When I was younger maybe 15 years old I was very rebellious and dated two older guys. Because they were older in their late 20’s and maybe 30, they had cars and their own places and I was obsessed with that. Fast forward to now, I’m 35 and for the longest I never looked at them as pedophiles until I had nieces and around them turning 15 I looked at them and their bodies and realized they are babies and I was also. I asked myself would I trust them around my nieces and the answer was NO and that’s when I came to the conclusion they were pedophiles and preyed on me because I was a young rebellious teenager. I also found out one of them went to prison for 10 years for being caught having sex with a minor. It’s so sad these types of people are out. And as a victim you don’t look at yourself as a victim because you make all types of excuses and most of the time the person has groomed you to believe that you’re the only under age person they’ve dated and that you’re out of the norm some kind of way like you’re mature for your age etc. That was my case... I was always told by older men I’m very mature ... but as an adult when I look back at pictures of me when I was younger I looked like a 15 year old little girl and I was very naive. The more searching he does he will figure it out and hopefully find the strength to admit what happened to him so that he can protect other kids.

I agree. There is no excuse. Nothing can make their relationship normal or right. I feel so bad for all the victims in this case and I have a lot of respect for Villi.

He'll probably be working through it for the rest of his life, at least to some degree. But he obviously takes his role as a father very seriously, and cared about her despite everything. That says more about him than it does about her.

She's not all he knows. They had no contact for seven years and he chose to reinstate contact when he was 21 and she was out of prison.

@@AlexandertheGreat99she already trapped him w/ two kids by the time he was 15. Of course he would break contact and try to make it work

Dr. Oz....think the interview should not be done now. Allow him to heal.

I’m sure it’s both. He has many conflicting feelings I’m sure.

Mine too

As a teenager older men would tell me how mature I am for my age and I took it as a compliment. I was so lost then. But I know the game now and he was definitely brainwashed.

@@tlynn7043 wow! I didn't know that. I meant to watch the movie about her. I'll have to read her book. so strange but I still think it's perverse child rape whether male or female and judging from interviews Mary kay was clearly mentally unstable. vili tried to reason that he was her only victim but it doesn't make it any less wrong

I don't think she brainwashed him that requires intentionally distorting someone's mind through continuous mold the mind. I think he was a vulnerable kid looking for love; she was probably going through something and completely stepped over a line no one should cross. She should have known better and stayed a way if began to feel attraction. I think it is human nature to see someone for their physical appearance younger or not, but that's the extent. She didn't have any discipline and as an adult she was completely out of order!

23Fulani all these probably’s don’t matter. She was a predator! She found a victim and boom here we are. Vili needs years of therapy and so do his daughters

Absolutely deplorable.

I don't think she was able to land guys her age, if what these people were saying was right in that she had mental and emotional developmental issues!

Well I honestly hope they do so they know what kind of disgusting mother they had 🤷🏽‍♀️ her other kids had to go through that traumatizing bs what makes his any better ? Sorry not sorry .

Absolutely! What is more disturbing are the twisted effers on this commentary about a pedophile...Let's romanticize her behavior and normalize it because she didn't cause any psychological damage that they can see. Sounds like they need therapy themselves..since, their viewpoints are that RAPE is acceptable when you marry your victim. Sick sick people.

seriouslyjoking2 truly just some sick, twisted individuals on here.

@@doingme8384 It was nice to share a similar mind-set with someone on here. It is disturbing to read the comments. RIP to a pedophile because she married her victim and he didn't turn to drugs or alcohol. Wonder why the world is so messed up. In backward countries, we know that children are molested & raped and find that horrible. But this victim was manipulated into marrying his Perpetrator...so, it was true love. Mary Kay Letourneau was a Narcissist. A selfish predator who kept her captive by marrying him. Well, I have to calm down...lol...so, you have a Blessed DAY.

seriouslyjoking2 exactly. It’s breathtaking to see someone else be Sane on this thread. I think the most disturbing comment came from a lady named holly on here. She said he was mature for his age and that they didn’t just bang, that he loved here. Some sickos on here! I called her out and she said it was a matter of opinion and that’s it. 🤮

@@doingme8384 Some of these commentors are either young (having never experienced anything in their short lives) or they need therapy themselves since their opinion neglects the crime she committed.

It's not as simple as that. At 12 years old a person's brain is very underdeveloped. A child may have a crush on his teacher, that's fairly common. As the adult, 34 year old MOTHER of 4 she was way ahead of him in brain development and life experience but had a sexual relationship with him. Imagine as a 12 year old making such a decision, acting on your desires is very easy when you have a 34 year old who's willing to do it. Probably his first love, first relationship, first person who cared about him like that. He was damaged psychologically, how would he walk away from something that's he attached himself to since 12? It's possible but very hard. The teen years are crucial parts of life. They shape you a lot and many things stay with you well into adulthood. He had no chance.

Searcher Ofsakina, once you’re an adult, you have the choice-especially since he went years being separated from her while in prison-without her influence. The bottom line is that he loved her.