Or 25% at the beginning, and after the payback point, come down to 20%.

I am also baffled as to why they did not go back to Peter and suggest 20%

i was thinking 22.5

They clearly said they can't go above 15%

When they said to him "Is there anything you can do?", that wasn't to the point enough to make Peter come down slightly. A ratchet to 20% once he made his money back would have been perfect

Clearly you don't remember the days of Theo and Duncan! Back in the hayday of dragons den. When it was strictly business, not overly theatricised, egocentric and immature. Go back and watch seasons 1-10! You'll despise what the BBC has done to such a special type of reality show throughout the latter years..

There would only have been about 3 investments in the last 3years if it wasn't for Peter and Deborah

@@clk1564 I wasn't talking about investments or popularity. Simply pointing out the fact that once upon a time;... Dragons den was more about business than cut-shots and facial expressions after every sentence of the pitches. The series is a shambles these days regardless of Peter and Deborah.

@@solostrummer9919 bring back Hillary duvet!!! She made blanket offers

This show is not the same without Jenny!

What's PWC?

PUBLIC WASTE CONTROL

@@jessicaj8564 PricewaterhouseCoopers #1 accountancy firm in the world

@Gender Fluid Person In Hotdog Suit Please explain?

@Gender Fluid Person In Hotdog Suit Oh, I thought you had a valid reason for your statement. Guess not...

What does a fly know about getting stung?

That’s so true they should’ve accepted his offer!

@@caitlinlindsay8418 Oh dear.

That joke sure was on point!

He really wanted to do Buzziness with them

Seriously. Their niche market that likes honey so much can buy their own favourite honey and combine it with water

Because it comes with a squishy bee.

I thought it was carbonated like pop

but with the flavouring right? that's why it's 'your squash market'?

​@@A1M8E7 I could see the actual drink selling well in big health food stores like whole foods.

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30 is a bit chilly. Its 91 here

@@Iburn247 30°c is not chilly - its 86°f! I assume you mean 30°f because I cant even cope when its 25°c

@@amberdaisy110 I do im just messin😂

@@amberdaisy110 haha yeah im from the states. Massachusetts to be exact and it gets pretty chilly here during winter lol. -25 is when the fun begins😂

The website is still up, so bullshit. They're doing just fine.

@@joewas2225 that’s not what he said

@@joewas2225 are you unable to read?

There doing really well with the raw honey. Haven’t got the exact revenue figures but based on the amazing reviews they are killing it.

@@joewas2225 🤦‍♂️

He's also a cyclist, apparently. Man of all seasons

Bees play in NFL ?

He actually looks a bit like a bee

Mr Paul 🤣🤣🤣

I think he meant.. A big fan of the BEATLES 👏👏👏

the best comment

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And then a long legal battle would ensue where her eyebrows fight each other for control of Eyebrow Corp

Thanks for that?

@@XJokermanX it's actually a very clever nuanced joke. If you ask nicely we'll explain it for you

@@uwotm835 All he's done is quote it

@@XJokermanX apologies. My mistake. U r my king now

@@uwotm835 pls pls

It's almost as if the people on the show are showing signs of a hive mentality....

to be fair i was buzzing when i heard that pun

He must be the world record holder for the most puns made in a lifetime.

Oh BEE quiet you.some of those were unbeelivable

@@Nervous101 no

That's because the video was uploaded 3mins before you left your comment 😂

@@MasterJTLS whoosh?

@@Nekorasbeez I don't really think so -

They upload ones every day or two?

I know right. My feed is full of things i have watched

European Patriot punny

@@europeanpatriot8031 ny

What a worthwhile risk. He probably borrowed one of his dad's jokes

it was unexpected but it got a laugh from me

Same, you never know when the Dragons get insulted over nada

Still to be proven, he invested in hundreds of companies but his time is 24h, just like us. Customers and partners could not care less if you have peter jones or elon musk, what they care is to have a product that makes money. 65k pounds for 25% is ridiculous, with that money you do the paper work and a salary of 4 months of a person. People who do not realise it it is because they never worked in the field of company investment.

I was thinking the same thing but I would also pour it into the glass to inspect it.

thats where it tastes the best

@Bob Shingles to inspect the drink itself. If you saw the clip, sarah was looking at the liquid itself in the cup

How is that "lad-like"?

Amazing how much you can read into something with almost no information 😂

I've had honey in my tea and liked it more. good for the throat as well.

@@KJ_2020 I make warm water with honey when having a sore throat. Workes well and I don't mind the tast.

Yes honey is great, what are they chatting about? Using less processed ingredients is also hugely trendy. I'm surprised health nut Deb wasn't all over it. I thought she'd be glugging honey on the daily!

@@KJ_2020 Have you tried Mead?

The taste of honey varies with what the bees have collected the nectar from. I dont know how that can be controlled for product consistency. Fun fact 2000 year old honey found in the pyramids was still edible. Im fine with honey in my coffee but not in my tea,

HAHAHHAHA

Its an Austin Powers line

Fancy seeing you here

yes beehive sounds like behave. So although he says Beehive, its like he's telling them to behave,

YZ street z

@@Skeyyyyy Usual

why does Coca cola sell you a coke for less than a pound when they earn billions?!

Dr Nureini They don’t sell it to me, I go and buy it because I like it.

You need to start selling essential oils.

Where do you think those millions come from? All the 15 quids

@@marcushiggins6360 exactly

Really? You say it as if you knew how he works with companies he invests in. I bet you have no idea. Just throwing ideas, even good ones, is not worth 10%.

@@richardstork He made Reggae Reggae sauce a big business. He'd have made this happen.

It's better to have a small piece of something big than a big piece of something small. Peter could have got them into Sainsbury's and the other supermarkets very quickly

was thinking just the same. Even 22% and with the money they make they can create another company without the need to give away any %....now they have to struggle and wait...time is of essence they should have simply accepted the offer.

If you already offered 23% for 150k And now devaluing your equity, what will 3rd investor gonna do.

They should’ve at the very least attempted to negotiate a buy back derivative based on performance. Very bland negotiations from all of them.

@@ictrickshots Does that ever help though? Deborahs mentioned it before that the dragon puts all the effort on to get it over the line, only to then have their shares stripped off them - it doesn't quite make

Basically unless the dragon is asking for 50% you take the offer. If it's a 50% offer then it's just a throw away which they don't want unless they control the whole thing.

Bee keeping on the Edware road, perfect spot

What's with all the office jokes and toukar?

@@jessicaj8564 He often jumps in to offer them office space. It's almost always one of the 'things he can bring to the table', regardless of whether it is even necessary or wanted. You'll start noticing it now you've heard it...even the other dragons joke about it :)

LoL....

He's the mark Cuban is the dragons. Makes the right investment, is nice when he sees genuine work, and harsh when he sees disingenuous behaviour

@@vkak1 I have no idea what Mark Cuban is like so I'll have to take your word for it

@@hiimjustin8826 An american self-made billionaire worth 4 billion $ who appears in shark tank, the american version of dragons' den

@@mindfreak9002 Ye I know who he is I just don't know his personality or wtvr lol

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That's what I was screaming at my monitor too. His concern was "it might not go anywhere", response should have instantly been a buy back offer when it does go somewhere!

me personally im against buybacks cuz it takes out the interest from the share holder to advance the company its not like he is counting on this business to succeed or elsewhere he will be in financial problems. if I were pitching my company I would make sure my well renowned business partner is very financially interested seeing this company booming even if he already got his money and some back. I actually would counter offer him 20% and a little royalty on the sales he closes that will extra motivate him to keep expanding the company. what do you think about my comment?

itamar smoisman Not necessarily. Buy backs would motivate the entrepreneurs to reach their targets. Once they reach the target, the shareholder is confident that the business is successful.

that is probably what they were fishing for - but Peter chose not to bite..

Fair point, however it doesn't make good business sense to avoid investing in something that u know is a quality product but because of individual taste preferences u dont particularly like it. Would you decide not to invest in a good product with good potential earnings if u just happened to be allergic to it?

I guess they didn’t want to get stung

Kane Gardner why should they bee?

instead they told him to "buzz off"

Same. When they came in with a counter offer of 15%, I honestly thought their plan was to meet Peter halfway at 20%. I'm not certain, but I think he might have taken 20%

I'm not sure on Dragons Den rules, however I wanted both Peter and Sara to go in together. I feel their drink would have definitely skyrocketed with that kind of partnership

Did you beeswax? It was so silly.

24/11/1987

13/02/84 - my B-day

In a video they uploaded several months ago someone made a comment like this with extra things to add aswell!. It got a heart from the channel but they have never done it...

@@NottinghamAzn there's no way that was in november

@@markojelegenda but there's a chance it aired in '87? 😂

Exactly this his connections could have got their already made brand into the eyes of millions, that 5% each wouldn't matter, I've never even seen this product in shops at this point a year later, they made a massive mistake not taking the deal or counter offering a ratchet down to 20%, which would leave them both with 30.5% each.

And you know this? i ihink you are a berk with no evidence either

it's not a mysterious gas haha, it's smoke used to calm bees, often the burning of pine needles

It's laughing gas. Best way to ensure at least one smile.

@@Ilicet isn’t the smoke used to calm bees nicotine ?

@@mathewdee1632 No, it's just smoke. Some people use bark, some people use leaves, some people use pine needles or pine cones. You just want something that smokes a lot.

When they asked him what he could bring on tangibly, he failed to answer properly

Why can I imagine this?!? This is so funny

lol... the word genius is crying

It's that high because that's how much they got from an investor unfortunately

And selling every last drop from the hives

Instead they swatted him down. But the company is doing good to this day so I suppose it didn't come back and sting them

bakersmileyface haha great stuff

@@richardmoores it's just honey to your ears, isn't it?

@@bakersmileyface Facepalm

Peter flew a plane on 9/11.

doesn't always work. it depends on the situation. I've seen dragons refuse those quite a few times.

@@etherealessence It doesnt hurt to ask, that's called negotiation

Always ask for the ratchet 👍🏼

@@MarFutbolero and that's what it would have been, an ask. OP said, and i quote 'always works like a charm' That's an awfully definitive statement, is what i replied to. That's called commenting. Now next time, don't get so condescending

Most investors hate those kind of deals. They show lack of belief in the company and puts too much pressure on the company

@BS Handle Created I'm joking of course. If we don't laugh, we'll cry.

@BS Handle Created I think I saw that. Nuts. People walking around with the mask under their chin drives me mad. What's the point?

When they entered I thought their were going to pitch an anti covid suit to wear for the mass

@@bellareid3488 Then make a good joke. Didn't laugh, didn't cry.

@@hurricaneheli79 no need to be so miserable

There isn't anything wrong with that statement. They produce honey (a natural healer), have been proven to be very smart (lots of documentaries cover this) and help sustain a healthy, natural environment.

@@thedunyadoneya2628 i know it just felt funny at first

i do, i just did tbh

More over, who's putting 10 x 500ml bottles in their trolley. Just buy a multipack or 2L bottles.

Someone with kids maybe

@@HaggardPillockHD they're going to be individually sold if I guess so noones picking up 10 at a time

A lot of people. These guys were also comparing themselves to water. It’s sweetened water. Plenty of people buy big packs of water or plenty of bottles.

25% is greedy.

Totally agree mate,I've always thought just except cause if you don't you can't get it back. Then after accepting while due diligence is going on you can really weigh up the deal if it's fine then carry on but if you don't like it then pull out

@@davidmellish3295 There is a thing called BUSINESS ETICS. Its rare.

@@RafaelMMB But the dragons pull out at that stage and they are well aware that the entrepreneurs may have second thoughts and other offers in that time as well.

I think only dragons are allowed to pull out (if they find out something wrong with the business or something not declared out). So you can't decline the offer only dragons can.

@@korana6308 I think either side can pull out just like any other legal contract, buying a house, etc. I don't think it would be fair for what is just a verbal agreement until it's signed to only count for one party. If you have another offer but couldn't take it and then the dragon pulls out you have no investor and have lost a load of time and given how often dragons pull out and how few of these offers are actually followed through I don't see how they can expect I dont see how they can expect entrepreneurs to wait if other offers are on the table for them.

Who are you?

Simping

@@TheKt75 I'd have a crack ;)

He remembered Robinson's idea.

You sure? Perhaps with Peter Jones they'd be a larger company with greater revenues

The investment company probably just invest money and that's it which is great as long as they can do something with it. Peter Jones offers the investment but also all the doors he can open to get the product to the mass market and quickly through his contacts. Personally I would have ripped his arm off and owned 28% each of something that has a far higher chance of being huge and quickly. Look at good old Levi Roots, that was pretty much an overnight success as one or two phone calls and it is in all major supermarkets once they set up production and again Peter had all the contacts for sorting that out. Fair play to them for sticking to their guns as we are all different but I would have taken the deal.

Not really, a Dragon brings more to the table than just cash

I wouldn't be so sure about it. They are trading and they name Boots, Waitrose etc. as stockists on their site, but they are not in all of their shops (or they haven't updated the map there). With Peter onboard, they would most likely have sold substantially more by know. They might have a larger stake in the company, but the overall pie is smaller than it would have been had they accepted Peter's offer :) But they should have made a counteroffer with a buy-back option.