Dream Theater: The Root of All Evil (12-Step Suite parts 6-7) REACTION/ANALYSIS

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Dream Theater: The Root of All Evil (12-Step Suite parts 6-7) REACTION/ANALYSIS | Episode 429

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In this episode of #thedailydoug, I'm returning to the 12-Step Suite from Dream Theater. We listened to This Dying Soul in May, and we're continuing on with The Root of All Evil from their 8th album, Octavarium. This is a hard driving track with some great riffs and solos from their live Score performance in 2006. I hope you enjoy!
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@anthonylancaster7667 2 жыл бұрын

that entire Score concert was amazing.

@matthiaskopp9305 2 жыл бұрын

The part with orchestra is ... hard to take, as orchestra and orchestration are really bad

@falloutfan2502 2 жыл бұрын

Was there - was amazing!

@codibick 2 жыл бұрын

Score has one of my top 3 favorite songs ever: Afterlife.

@davguev 2 жыл бұрын

@@matthiaskopp9305 To you, probably. To me, it suits the music oh, so well.

@maggidu 2 жыл бұрын

@@matthiaskopp9305 Yeah, they are sloppy, unfortunately.

@shanebilowitz7261 2 жыл бұрын

Once you get more familiar with the songs in this 12 Step Suite, you'll be able to spot all the quotes and recurring motifs from the previous songs incorporated into the newer ones. The final "movement" of this suite is almost entirely composed of previous material.

@wf29499 2 жыл бұрын

I REALLY hope we get Breaking the Fourth Wall version when he’s ready to complete the suite!

@Kolossusofkraut 2 жыл бұрын

Musically it's alike to the actual 12 step program which often has people go back and reflect on previous steps

@GoskitarDTV 2 жыл бұрын

I FREAKING LOVE IT

@josephtattum6365 Жыл бұрын

Yep. I miss bands that do these kind of motif-driven songs and albums, where you push one idea to the absolute maximum. Dream Theater used to be really good at this. They have recently done more "singles" if you will. I would love for them to get back to more grand ideas. Simple, catchy, melodies with more complex layering underneath. Maybe they will again

@147pablox Жыл бұрын

@@josephtattum6365 Well, they did it in The Astonishing.

@shanechaisson9383 2 жыл бұрын

He’s gonna go wild when he listens to Shattered Fortress

@shellderp 2 жыл бұрын

one of my favorite DT songs

@josephiousbrosif 2 жыл бұрын

I love it when someone gets as giddy about that foreshadowing melody at the end of the song. I too heard the song "Octavarium" before the "The Root of all Evil" and I geeked out when I heard this part too especially once I learned the concept of this album. They sure are clever bastards!

@qorisuwendo 2 жыл бұрын

As always, this is the best reactions I've been listening to for this song. And yes, this song and Octavarium basically move full circle, the continuation and all. I think it's time for you to listen to In The Presence of Enemies Full Parts from them. 25 minutes Heavy Progressive Song for Metal Monday

@JohnsOnStrings 2 жыл бұрын

Another vote for In the Presence of Enemies.

@codibick 2 жыл бұрын

Oh, hell yes.

@DiegoDeschain 2 жыл бұрын

Oh my...YES!!!

@jasonfrost2527 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!!! My Dear Lady cried her eyes out at the start of Part 2 she was so scared ... I kid you not!!

@SebaProgre 2 жыл бұрын

Also, is called "THE ROOT of all evil" beacuse it is also the root of the key the album is in (F)... only DT can create music with so many levels of creativity.

@Brandon-zn8rf 2 жыл бұрын

I would agree! I do love that Tool created an entire song based on the Fibonacci Sequence though

@Stonefalconetti 2 жыл бұрын

@@Brandon-zn8rf I'm a tool fan but i feel your comment is completely unrelated lol.

@Stonefalconetti 2 жыл бұрын

@@Brandon-zn8rf ...and also Maynard say it was a coincidence, so...

@iancust8932 2 жыл бұрын

Adding to this (it is what you say essentially, but it needs expanding on for those who don’t know), each track goes up a step in the F scale: Root: F Answer: G These walls: A I walk: B (they could’ve made it Bb, don’t know why they didn’t) Panic: C Never: D Sacrificed: E Octavarium: F

@periclesrocha 2 жыл бұрын

@@iancust8932 the chimes between These Walls and I Walk Beside You are in Bb. Their concept was to write over the full chromatic scale starting in F, not necessary the key of F. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavarium

@cowsaysmoo51 9 ай бұрын

14:00 you are absolutely correct. That final melody is the "Medicate me, infiltrate me" melody from the second section of Octavarium. Also that final note is a C#, which leads straight into the next song in the Twelve Step Suite, Repentance, which is mostly in C# minor.

@Kawabongahlive 2 жыл бұрын

They still play The Root Of All Evil very often live and I'm not ashamed to say that I nearly cried singing this song when I went to see them for the second time. It's a very special piece for me and many others who found understanding and comfort in this music during our darkest hours, when perhaps family wasn't there for us. Much love from Argentina, love what you do. Looking forward to your reaction to the next piece in the suite... I think you'll LOVE it.

@pearlexportdrums 2 жыл бұрын

The whole Octavarium album is a masterpiece, maybe consider doing Sacrificed Sons?

@brianfeldtman 2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree....if someone asks "what's a good Dream Theater album?" I point them towards this one as, to me, it encompasses all they are/were about.

@josephtattum6365 Жыл бұрын

My favorite on that album

@tristan8823 2 жыл бұрын

I can't believe you caught the Octavarium reference on a first listen, crazy!

@duaniel_the_guitardude 2 жыл бұрын

I listen to DT for 14 years now and just noticed it yet. Now I feel stupid :D

@VforValmont 2 жыл бұрын

This song's chorus may be the most gorgeous ever

@Bobobo-bo-bo-bobobo Жыл бұрын

The chorus of Never Enough is probably my favorite

@garchompy_1561 2 жыл бұрын

Both octavarium and the 12 step suite require multiple listens, because the foreshadowing and callbacks in each of the songs requires knowledge of songs later in them to fully appreciate both the current and upcoming songs. The next 2 songs in the 12 step suite are I would say much more callback filled than the first 3, so make sure you really keep those songs in mind when listening to them.

@paulferreira3140 2 жыл бұрын

Doug, one of your best reactions. Great insight both musically and lyrically. It doesn’t get much better than Dream Theater imo.

@zmoore5555 2 жыл бұрын

Well said

@FanaticDrummer 2 жыл бұрын

10/10 album. Great transition album for DT to from their previous sounds/ methods into a more modern take on prog metal.

@V.F.D.DaleSalvador 2 жыл бұрын

That Ending Melody is laced through the Entire Octavarium Album. On the Track "The Answer Lies Within" the String Section plays it going into the Bridge (If I recall correctly)

@andyfox8377 2 жыл бұрын

This is DT at their absolute best. This is where they peaked for me, everyone was on fire during the octavarium Era

@bunnihilator 26 күн бұрын

Yes

@sciwiz57 2 жыл бұрын

That was a bit of Octavarium at the end

@heytallman 2 жыл бұрын

Score is an incredible live DVD. I'd highly recommend checking the whole thing out some time!

@billymaus6287 2 жыл бұрын

Doug, it would be awesome if you were able to get an interview with Mike Portnoy and talk about how he wrote the 12 step suite.

@Qjinhow 2 жыл бұрын

This was the first album that I truly started listening to dream theater on my own. And this album really blew me away as how a band would just tie a whole album together like that. Still one of my favorite.

@olavjorvik94 2 жыл бұрын

YES! Re-uploaded! This is the first track of the best live show of all time made to DVD. I absolutely love the entire show. Mike makes me laugh and cry all throughout the show. He’s such a showman. Love it. Thanks for giving us this!😊

@falloutfan2502 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that melody foreshadows "Medicate Me" from "Octovarium"

@heavyrock77 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I like they way you pay attention to the Portnoy lyrics, real life words.I have seen DT a lot of times and this was my very first song alive from them. Cheers!

@Sam-cv6un 2 жыл бұрын

It was awesome you noticed the foreshadowing of Octavarium! That kind of awareness to the music is why I keep watching your videos. You rock Doug :)

@TheNamesJER 2 жыл бұрын

The Score live album is one of the best live albums I’ve heard! I know you’ve already done Six Degrees but the Score live performance of the entire 42 minute song with the Orchestra is truly incredible!

@olivierouellet3495 2 жыл бұрын

Personally I really love this album, since you've got octavarium already down maybe you'll consider doing the rest of the album either on patreon or here on KZfaq as a masterpiece Friday. I'd love to hear what you have to say about their key transitions between songs and the whole ensemble in general. Love what you do, keep it up. Looking forward to the next one

@Plantagenet1956 Жыл бұрын

Another great DT episode! Good to know what they’re doing, technically, with your help!

@Plantagenet1956 Жыл бұрын

I was in mental health nursing. He is very brave for coming out like this with his personal problems but by doing this, he help others, in similar circumstances.

@ptkato_ Жыл бұрын

The first time I heard "I walk beside you" I was weirded out and thought to myself "why the heck there's a U2 cover in the middle of a Dream Theater album", and then I realised how great musicians they are

@Chemitronic Жыл бұрын

I love dream theater, but I stopped listening to them for like 8 years. I'm coming back to them, and your analyses make this comeback much, much better. Thank you

@bunnihilator 26 күн бұрын

It ends with "cant you stop what's happening" mellody from the Octavarium song

@duaniel_the_guitardude 2 жыл бұрын

Octavarium is a very clever record. They 8 tracks (octa) are also in 8 keys from (I think) B to B, so the composition also following the full circle thing.

@CheyEG 2 жыл бұрын

You really need to listen to this full album start to finish in one take, to come full circle you know😄 truly a masterpiece, so smart and really nerdy haha

@Huntsmaestro 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing, Doug! This was such a great episode. So happy you chose to cover the Score version of The Root of all Evil!!

@ibanezleftyclub 2 жыл бұрын

I saw them on this tour, just jaw dropping.

@ChasingKillersMusic Жыл бұрын

I've been using some motivic unity recently while writing. Very cool. Didn't know thats what it was called. Thanks, Doug!

@mrstrypes 2 жыл бұрын

I learn more from your analyses of these songs than I have from listening to the songs a hundred times! Thanks for doing these. You are truly gifted and educated. Sharing what you know is extraordinarily valuable!

@shanebilowitz7261 2 жыл бұрын

Yep! You got the end right.

@sky173 Жыл бұрын

Glad you're getting into the 'Score' concert in NYC. It was amazing. Best concert I've ever seen. I knew you would like it.

@lucaspalazzi2063 2 жыл бұрын

The last part of the song was extracted to the track Ocatavarium - 10:09 ~10:38 "Medicate me, infiltrate me Side effects appear As my conscience slips away Medicate me, science failing Conscience fading fast Can't you stop what's happening" Remembering that octavarium is a cycle within the album itself

@gregoryb3778 2 жыл бұрын

Really a nice commentary on the Root of all evil..Doug i would definitely recommend to you once you finish the 12 step suite to give a try to some parts of the Astonishing album..my pick would be Ravenskill.

@evilasiobjr 2 жыл бұрын

11:03 ...and bass!

@michaelhylanddpt 2 жыл бұрын

I actually cringe to think how many years ago 2006 was lol. But seems like recent times to me. This was an amazing performance of this song and a great reaction Doug, as always!

@Heiteinah 2 жыл бұрын

at 10:55 ... its a crazy guitar, keyboard and bass unison . just lovely. and nuts!

@abdurrahmanzulfikry9202 2 жыл бұрын

Idk if someone has pointed this one out. But the intro is a homage to Pink Floyd's Welcome to the Machine (a little surprised that Doug didn't notice since he has done Wish You Were Here reaction, but it's pretty okay since that song wasn't as memorable as other WYWH tracks)

@GoskitarDTV 2 жыл бұрын

I LITERALLY WAS WAITING THE HOLE DURATION OF YOUR KZfaq CHANNEL FOR YOU TO NOTICE THE INSANE AND NON-STOP FORESHADOWING DREAM THEATER DOES IN THEIR ALBUM. I SCREAMED OF HAPINESS !!!!!! THEY FORESHADOW THE ENTIRE ALBUM, THE LYRICS AND THE MELODIES. ITS CRAZY AND BEAUTIFUL

@Shedder4ever1 2 жыл бұрын

Please react to Elizabeth by Kamelot. It’s beautiful, heavy, and epic with outstanding vocals. Make sure it’s the live version with Roy Khan on lead vocals.

@sandyferati3044 2 жыл бұрын

I second this!!!

@denislefebvre2670 2 жыл бұрын

I third this

@kristiehudson9814 2 жыл бұрын

This! Yes…Kamelot!!

@JoseDlucca 2 жыл бұрын

Yeees please

@charlesnelson5744 2 жыл бұрын

i was there at the Fillmore west in SF, it was an eveing with the opening act had cancelled that night so glad they did

@joeyerdon5036 2 жыл бұрын

I was at that concert. A truly sublime show. Fantastic experience.

@RobCaldera 2 жыл бұрын

I was there! First time I saw DT. Amazing show…and amazing reaction and analysis, as always Doug.

@Maurock-NZ 2 жыл бұрын

you are a fucking master !!!! im amazed how you can fix so much things, just listening a patern, cheers from a chilean guy fan of DT since 4ever

@markstenchii3845 2 жыл бұрын

You really need to do the whole Octavarium journey from start to finish - worth even revisiting the title track

@stuartbowlerwell2845 2 жыл бұрын

Another lyrical connection: each song links back to that track on that album. So track one on album one was Fortune in Lies from When Dream Amd Day Unite - a song about ostensibly about greed. "For the love of money is The Root Of All Evil" - 1 Timothy 6:v10

@diegopeart 2 жыл бұрын

This live version is, imho, one of the BEST openers I've ever seen/heard. The moment the song kicks in and the lights come up, adrenaline is at 200% and the band firing is on all cylinders. I miss this era of the band so much. This is James LaBrie's best live performance, by far!

@toms_cigarzs Жыл бұрын

I was at this show, good times! : )

@rodneyhamp 2 жыл бұрын

Holy crap I NEVER noticed the Octavarium tie in with the ending! PS I was at that show, incredible!!

@JesseBergquist13 2 жыл бұрын

You actually just have to react to this whole show. It's so amazing

@ChrisDicksonOhio 2 жыл бұрын

I saw them in Cleveland prior to this show.. Still ranks right up there as one of the best shows I’ve ever seen..

@JohnOrem 2 жыл бұрын

Best show I've ever been to!

@MJXtube 2 жыл бұрын

Kinda gets lost in the live version, but want to mention that the very first note was a low F played on piano...which was the very last note played on the preceding album(Train of Thought)'s final track(In the Name of God); which Jordan Rudess played with his nose.

@antoafarian8404 2 жыл бұрын

The foreshadowing for Octavarium's riff is correct.. they also borrowed a riff and lyrics from "This Dying Soul" earlier in the song too!

@pgstancil 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. The story ends where it began. Great reaction, Doug.

@grevedanko 2 жыл бұрын

My favorite Doug analyzing my favorite band! Woot!

@Virtuoso80 2 жыл бұрын

I was at this show. Great show. Even though I'm sure there are overdubs in there, James did sound especially great that night. This was probably the peak of his 'comeback' years after having issues in the late 90's.

@scorpiusbalthazar4327 2 жыл бұрын

Octavarium has a part where every song from the album is brought back up.

@AtomizedSound 2 жыл бұрын

I still think you need to listen to the whole suite in one go to get the full context and picture of what amazing songs these are. Also Score is the best DT concert video I believe there is out there today. Love it so much

@olivierpeartnoy 2 жыл бұрын

The end is definitely Octavarium. Good catch! You didn't seem to notice the callbacks to This Dying Soul though hehe. After a few listens it all clicks together. I've always thought this song was underrated. That chorus is amazing.

@markmccoy3369 2 жыл бұрын

The first time I listened to this and they did the call back to This Dying Soul I got chills. Definitely one of my favorite DT songs.

@randyburrill2340 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, Doug is good at this. Impressive!

@hopemaster 11 ай бұрын

It's incredible how over the years you like more and more progressive rock. When you stated years ago, you were really ignorant about it and now I feel your admiration ❤

@damienmartin2088 2 жыл бұрын

Just imagine the face of Doug when he will discover the astonishing.....

@josephsweeney3198 2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you caught the similarity between the ending of ROA and octavarium. With a second listen-through, you might catch some lyrical similarity with This Dying Soul.

@senseiken 2 жыл бұрын

Great airdrumming Doug!

@damedamegame 2 жыл бұрын

if u would recreated the Octavarium Reaction based on the Score, that would be bonkers! thats just a whole different level and one of my all time greatest live concert ive ever watched online! (especially in UHD/Remastered format) great reaction and input from ur perspective, as always..

@Sanber 2 жыл бұрын

Such a great song, and such a great album!

@CrisAaG 2 жыл бұрын

this song is part 6 and 7 of the 12 steps and at the same time it is part 6 of octavarium

@benallen7403 2 жыл бұрын

I've wanted to point this out since you did Octavarium. The 8 spheres on the cover represent the band's albums, but also a scale on a piano. There are birds flying in the background between the spheres which are the black keys on the piano. Also, you caught the musical reference to the title track, Octavarium, but there is also a reference to the last two songs in the Suite, The Glass Prison and This Dying Soul. Around 9:15 minutes in your video and then 10:18.

@AlphSlayer 2 жыл бұрын

Mike Portnoy is a genius. Period.

@RazLightbringer 2 жыл бұрын

Yes sir, at the end, that's octavarium, it's epic!

@psychofunksoldier02 2 жыл бұрын

Scenes from a Memory and Octavarium are still my favorite DT albums. :-) AVFTTOTW is my favorite Mangini era album.

@azriksani611 2 жыл бұрын

Doug, do reaction for the whole Dream Theater - Score concert on your Patreon. Worth to watch!

@BenIrvine11 2 жыл бұрын

You should listen to Panic Attack off Octavarium, its so good

@Kolossusofkraut 2 жыл бұрын

If you notice, the song begins on the very same note that octovarium ends, alluding to ending where you began.

@sandyferati3044 2 жыл бұрын

So cool!! Great reaction and teaching

@kurzwelder 2 жыл бұрын

👏👏👏...I'm looking forward to "the shattered of fortress"

@MissingMars 2 жыл бұрын

I believe this is a page from Mike Portnoy's life as he has struggled with sobriety

@windhiadiyogasembada1384 2 жыл бұрын

You should review "Eve" from DT, when Kevin Moore were still their keyboardist

@reidwhitton6248 2 жыл бұрын

A favorite DT song. And the version from Score is killer!

@mv5737 2 жыл бұрын

DT inspires you... Interesting reactions Always...

@PortviShock777 2 жыл бұрын

This dying soul's riff is here too

@xanderscookingschool1497 Ай бұрын

13:47 Yes Doug, that'd be right. And forget same key, that's literally the same melody from Octavarium II. Medicate.

@ii4ow Жыл бұрын

hi doug! you have to listen “the mirror”… that could be the first song of the twelve steps suite 👍 i like a lot your channel 👍👍👍

@EraAnibra 2 жыл бұрын

"I'm eager to get to the root of all evil"

@N13900 2 жыл бұрын

Doug react to In the Precence of enemies pt1 and pt2 bt Dream Theater please

@corytrevor8498 2 жыл бұрын

Like Christmas having this unblocked !!

@thomasrennard5032 2 жыл бұрын

So it’s a musical compilation based on the 12 Steps in Alcoholics Anonymous..!

@passion4drums 2 жыл бұрын

Aw man, 12 step suite would have been perfect for an extended play

@brianfeldtman 2 жыл бұрын

Yep

@wolfsongcg6497 2 жыл бұрын

Should check out something from Sons of Apollo. Fantastic band with wall-to-wall brilliant musicianship.

@Bluedruid13 2 жыл бұрын

I think Doug should do Coheed and Cambria " Welcome Home", Who agrees?

@nyomandimas3888 2 жыл бұрын

ooh you're gonna love Repentance