DRICORE VERSUS OUR SYSTEM OF SUBFLOOR OVER CONCRETE!

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Ideal Direct Home Improvements & Indoor Gardening

4 жыл бұрын

In this video I do a quick and very in depth cost comparison per Sq. Ft on how we do a subfloor over concrete and the dricore panels. I also compare the pros and cons to each system!
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@troyporter3825 3 жыл бұрын

i messaged DRICORE support about the seams issue you mentioned and this was thier response . . "The seams were taken into account during testing. Due to the raised ¼” Polypropylene and perimeter gap, they provide an effective vapour barrier. To clarify, the panels are only designed to manage vapour, not water. Thanks for reaching out today! "

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing that with everyone!

@troyporter3825 3 жыл бұрын

@@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 and thank you for your pros and cons review !

@tomcruise2093 4 жыл бұрын

Great video Edward! Straight to the point as always!

@jag8901 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent data thanks

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

You’re most welcome 👍🏻

@skye1355 2 жыл бұрын

DRIcore with foam is $2/sqft vs $4/sqft for Delta-MS + OSB combo. March 28 of the year 2022, Canada.

@JonWickBoomStik 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your great comparison video I enjoyed seeing the cost benefits and other benefits to the different systems. We're having a house built and putting a brand new basement in.I really like the subfloor system you've been using for 20 years if I were to pick a styrofoam for additional r value what would be a good product?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!👍🏻

@randywinslow7735 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. WOuld you ever consider adding a foam board between the membrane and plywood for added insulation ?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

We do only when the homeowner insists and has it in the budget. Personal I wouldn’t. I didn’t in my home. If you want , you certainly can. Thanks for watching Randy! Stay safe and healthy, have fun with your project! Stay tuned for more videos and happy holidays,

@jaly4121 3 жыл бұрын

Did half our basement in dricore months ago. Went in and bought more panels recently and they were not as heavy. Got them home and they are not as thick as their earlier panels. I will be doing the plywood method for the rest of my basement.

@markspradling6490 3 жыл бұрын

Would you recommend this for central Florida slabs?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

The closest thing that we have done like a slab on grade, was commercial units in malls where we would install hardwood on top. I don’t see why it wouldn’t work on a concrete slab in Florida.

@Towona2 3 жыл бұрын

Can you comment on why you use the Delta-MS, an exterior basement wall drainage membrane instead of Delta-FL, a product made for subloor installations?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

We use it because it serves the same purpose as the delta fl. It’s more cost effective and it’s available in bigger rolls and our supplier gives us a good price, that’s what they have in stock. There are a ton of membranes out there, that do the same job and you can use. Every country, region has different brands that serve the purpose of a membrane. Please don’t do everything exactly like we do, use whatever you can purchase and what your regular building supplier has in stock. Delta ms is just a brand and a name and it serves the same function. These videos are for educational and informative purposes only. If they help you better understand a topic that is new to you, then they have served their purpose. At the end of the day, it’s your project and our videos are not dictating for you to do or use the same products. I hope this helps.

@szargos 2 жыл бұрын

Does the delta compress at all? I don't think it does, I know its rated for A LOT of lbs per sqft, but it just seems like it would. I will have a subfloor under a gym area, then thick rubber mats. Would you see any possible issues with weights being dropped occasionally on it?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 2 жыл бұрын

Great question, it does not compress. I can’t answer that for you, only one way to find out, do a test piece and see how it stands up to it. I would love to know how the delta would stand up to that scenario. Thanks for watching!

@timbobfisher Жыл бұрын

with an unlevel floor up to 4 inches, do you think the T and G would hold?Was thinking to do two layers and scribe shims onto 1st layer and then add a second flayer that is completely level. thx

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 Жыл бұрын

I’m sorry I can’t answer that without seeing what’s going on, if your floor is off by four inches you need to address that first, I don’t understand what you want the tongue and groove to hold? Why would you want to do 2 layers of plywood? If you have to build a concrete floor up maybe consider pouring new concrete or building an actual subfloor, if you need to straighten a floor up to an inch you can look into using self levelling cement. It will cost you a few bucks. We have a video on that, check out our playlists

@JoseSanchez-to2ou 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Troy, where gonna buy the delta ms?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know who Troy is? You can buy any membrane from any big box store. You don’t have to use the delta ms, this is just the brand we use because it’s easily available to us

@TheDazel247 Жыл бұрын

What’s your r value?

@SuperRandomHobbies 3 жыл бұрын

What's the R value difference between your system and the dricore? Thanks

@SuperRandomHobbies 3 жыл бұрын

Sorry, this question has been added. I'll leave it here just in case h there's anything else to add. Also where can i add the styrofoam board? On top of it and under the plywood? Thanks

@akramnabizadah6933 2 жыл бұрын

Hi can I use them in washroom and install tiles?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 2 жыл бұрын

My apologies, but I really don’t understand your question.

@n1ti 2 жыл бұрын

thanks for the video. Is there a weight limit for the Delta-MS? Will very heavy furniture or other items crush the dimples? Or is weight distributed fairly evenly?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 2 жыл бұрын

The weight is distributed very well, we have never had any issues. There are other membranes available. I only shared these videos to help people and to show how we do it. We have installed bars and kitchens with stone countertops and haven’t had any issues.

@n1ti 2 жыл бұрын

@@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 thank you very much. Your videos are very inspirational and motivating for the DIY'ers

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 2 жыл бұрын

@@n1ti thank you so much! I really appreciate the positive feedback! If I can help in any way, don’t hesitate to ask!

@phumes4783 3 жыл бұрын

Would you suggest laying down some landscaping fabric on the concrete before laying down the Delta then the plywood. The landscaping fabric wull stop the "clicking" noise when walking on the floor.

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

No I wouldn’t. Take a look at other videos on subfloor we have, and my opinion on landscape fabric.

@phumes4783 3 жыл бұрын

@@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 Hi Edward - I watched all your videos regarding subfloors and you did not mention why not to use a landscaping fabric underneath. Would you be able to elaborate on that. Also, when installing a subfloor do you ever run into permit issues regarding the last stair riser of the steps being shorter based on the thickness of the subfloor? Thanks

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

This video explains my thoughts on no landscape fabric, kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qLd8YKx-uLGuhoU.html And this one also, kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hNmDepmm0MXNnH0.html I’m sorry but I have answered why I don’t over a dozen times. I don’t recommend that you use the fabric because it will wick up moisture. The point of our system is to keep it simple and dry as can be. Our system doesn’t have the noise you and others are mentioning. That’s why I make the videos. I want to say that these are all my suggestions, feel free to do as you please on your projects. I make these videos to help people and not to dictate how to do it. When we finish basements we always get new staircases built that take the subfloor already into consideration, we don’t re face stairs when we install a subfloor, we have new ones factory built to the new height when the subfloor is done. We have a couple packages, when people just want the basement just finished with no bells and whistles, meaning no subfloor use the existing staircase or subfloor and new staircase. No problems here with inspections. Hope this helps.

@Pops180 3 жыл бұрын

Current pricing at lowes for a 1000sqft basement, the dricore panels will cost 200 dollars more than the traditional method. Not bad for a huge time savings. Dricore states that they do not recommend fastening their panels down

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

Take a look, at all our videos on subfloor, I’m sure something will help you there. Thanks for watching, stay safe and healthy!

@sharkofthecovenant 4 жыл бұрын

How do you keep the delta sheets from making noise? And how level does the floor need to be to use your system?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 4 жыл бұрын

Stephen Sharkey when we fasten the plywood down the way we do, I have never heard the noise. Especially after we lay the finish flooring. The key is to fasten the plywood property. I would have to say that the floor can easily be off 1/8” on 6 feet and the sheets can deal with it. If the floor has dips from 1/4” and bigger on 6 feet, I would suggest to use some self levelling cement prior to start of the subfloor system. Just run, a long straight edge along the floor, preferably 6 ft or 8 to check the highs and lows. I should be posting a video soon on self levelling cement. Check out our other videos on subfloor maybe you can get a few more ideas or answers, please don’t hesitate to ask. Stay safe and healthy!

@MRGfork 3 жыл бұрын

I have noticed noise with MS Delta maybe they didn’t properly install the plywood on top. With DRICORE I haven’t heard any noise. It may be cheaper but now a days with the cost of ply wood I think it ends up being more, also I find DRICORE much easier to install rather than the MS Delta. Especially with the non organic levelling shims that come with DRICORE

@acapulco1231 3 жыл бұрын

Hello, Great Video. I need to install Delta MS. If I need to cover about 1450 Sq. Ft. Of basement floor how many rolls would I need of the product? And where can I buy them in Salt Lake City Utah ?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Uno, but I’m sorry you need to do your own homework on what’s available to you in your area. I’m from Canada. I suggest you get online or go visit your nearest store to see what’s available to you and how much you need.

@arunchaudhary2180 11 ай бұрын

Did you install delta MS + plywood in ur basement? I m planing to do , need guidance if u don't mind

@MRGfork 3 жыл бұрын

Now that lumber has been on the rise I would assume that the dricore is actually cheaper now. Also I’ve been in homes that have had the delta ms installed and you can notice a tacking noise under the floor where homes with DRICORE installed don’t have that issue. Any thoughts on this?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! I have a video on the apparent clicking noise, and as long as the sheets are fastened properly, there shouldn’t be a clicking noise. Check out our other videos and please don’t forget to subscribe and help the channel out. Thanks again.

@glennjenkins1839 2 жыл бұрын

Price went from 5.35 per 2by 2 panel to 7.65 per panel?

@MRGfork 2 жыл бұрын

@@glennjenkins1839 ya I noticed that. Probably trickledown effect. Still looks cheaper than getting plywood and membrane separately.

@jefferystalks8232 4 жыл бұрын

👍🏻

@MarieEveBisson 3 жыл бұрын

Hi! Thanks for the comparison video. Living where there is really cold weather with snow, how is the R level on your system?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! That’s a very good question! On average .77 to .80 The only r value would be the plywood and if you added a layer of styrofoam depending on the thickness would add more. Which you can do, if it’s in your budget. Thanks for watching! Stay safe and healthy!

@MarieEveBisson 3 жыл бұрын

Ideal Direct Home Improvements Company , thank you very much for your answer! Stay safe and healthy as well! 🙏🏼

@SuperRandomHobbies 3 жыл бұрын

@@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 how would you add the styrofoam board? In between the concrete and your dimple product or in between your product and the plywood? Thank you!

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

Humberto, if you want to add the styrofoam, I would put the dimple membrane down first on the concrete, then styrofoam on top of the dimple membrane, then final top layer plywood. Your welcome! Thank you for watching!

@mehmetinable 2 жыл бұрын

4 by 8 plywood thickness is 1/2 inch or 3/8 inch?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 2 жыл бұрын

We use 5/8 tongue and groove plywood, hope that helps

@denisebrenton1897 3 жыл бұрын

Had Dricore laid and it is spongy in areas, what can we do before we lay the vinyl floor on top of it?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

Fasten the panels down, I understand that dricore doesn’t recommend, but it’s your call and your project not dricores. You can also staple down some 1/4” 4 x 8 sheets of plywood, overlap seams use 1/4” crown staples 1”1/8” long and this will help also to make the panels more like a floor and solid before moving ahead with your finish. Thanks for watching, check out our other videos and stay tuned for more videos. Stay safe and healthy!

@MRGfork 3 жыл бұрын

If it’s spongy in certain areas most likely there needs to be leveling shims applied underneath or potentially levelling compound. I’ve used DRICORE in my basement and had no spongy areas but I definitely took the time to fix any significant dips but anything under 1/4” could be handled by the leveling shims. If you’re investing in a home Reno take the totem to level your floor out first, you won’t regret it.

@emadrox 3 жыл бұрын

For basements , Do you generally frame on top of your system of subfloor ? if so , do you again drill straight through the membrane with sealant again ?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

Good question, when the customer wants the subfloor we will do the subfloor first and build our walls on the plywood. We don’t need to use concrete fasteners at this time to fasten the bottom plate, we just use 2 inch deck screws to fasten to the plywood. No need to seal anything. I hope this helps you, stay safe and healthy!

@emadrox 3 жыл бұрын

@@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 Thank you so much - I just gutted my basement and have rattling my brain to what to do about the flooring. I like your system best , but was concerned on when to do the framing. My follow up question is with the floor. I have a Pitched floor to a drain. Floor is in great condition, however , the closer to the drain, the more uneven / unlevel it is. Should I level the whole floor foryou systems ? or should I let he plywood stay a bit pitched but even?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome! That’s another good question, what I would do is install the subfloor the way the floor is so that any water will always go to the drain, then once the plywood subfloor is installed, I would fix the slope with self levelling cement to straighten it and prep it so you don’t notice that the slop is there on the finish floor. We have a video on how to use the self levelling cement, check that out! Hope that helps! Check out our new premier 360 video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hLJyqcKFmMjYeqM.html

@emadrox 3 жыл бұрын

@@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 Again - thank you for your time and input. Very good details on all your videos and definitely a fan to help my low level DIY skills. :)

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

@@emadrox my pleasure ! That’s why I’m here and make these videos, I enjoy helping everyone, please always feel free to ask me anything, most of the time I answer as soon as I can! Have fun with your project and don’t stress out! Stay safe and healthy and stay tuned!👍🏻

@davidkirkham6497 2 жыл бұрын

Your system gives no insulation value to the floor, plus would it not be harder to walk on?

@cherylbglover 3 жыл бұрын

Do you have contractors that can come and do my basement? New build, semi framed already.

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

What city do you live in?

@cherylbglover 3 жыл бұрын

@@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 Ankeny Iowa

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

My apologies but we are located in Canada.

@jc2367 3 жыл бұрын

I found 80 of the drycore 2x2 for 200 dollars. I agree your method is better but im on a budget, do you think that is a good deal?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

That’s a great deal! 👍🏻

@jc2367 3 жыл бұрын

@@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 thank you for the feedback. maybe its an dumb question but can you use drycore over the dmx dimple material?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

@@jc2367 you probably could, as long as the drycore sits firm on the membrane. I have never done it or ever heard anyone do it. I’m assuming you are worried about water, if you are I think you need to address that first. Otherwise, I would just use the dricore I did see another membrane that might work for you at Home Depot the other day, I don’t recall the name, but it was a membrane with smaller holes and placed closer together. You might want to check that out.

@jc2367 3 жыл бұрын

@@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 old house with no vapor barrier under concrete slab. I cant afford an perimeter drainage system so im just looking for something to keep moisture at bay. If i were to flood i doubt any system would save me. thanks

@keithmetzger1510 3 жыл бұрын

recently removed dri core from my basement, moisture came up between the panels and then couldnt vent from under the floor and foam underlayment of laminate. the result mold on top of the osb. Expensive and ineffective product. Going to the delta ms product that is a full vapour barrier. note his comments 6:20 and on. That is the key. Dri core is a bad product.

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

Keith, was it moisture or actual pool of water? Maybe you need to address leaks first? The dricore will do that, its an easy system, and has some advantages, I know that any OSB will mold up if there is water trapped. Any subfloor system using a dimple membrane will help with keeping the concrete dry if it is only dealing with the moisture that concrete naturally exhumes. Taping up the seams and the way we do it definitely helps and makes a difference. I honestly think using OSB is not the best, a real 4, 5, 6 ply, “plywood “ will resist mold better in case you have a leak in the future. I really appreciate you sharing your experience and expressing your self here. It will help people make a more informed decision. Thanks for watching!

@keithmetzger1510 3 жыл бұрын

@@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 the concrete was perfectly dry, so i can only assume it was the natural moisture from the concrete. I saw no stain on the concrete that would indicate a leak. either way, leak or moisture the system you use should account for that. I suppose the added foam and taping the foam added to the moisture build up. it may not have been as bad if it could have dissipated into the floor. i will use the delta system for sure to fix it from here.

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

@@keithmetzger1510 did you use the foam dricore panels? I think the foam did trap the moisture for sure. When we do the subfloor, I think the dimple membrane and plywood is good. Styrofoam will definitely trap and create some condensation.

@keithmetzger1510 3 жыл бұрын

@@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 it was just the regular dri core without foam. The previous owner used foam on top of the dri core, like the underlayment foam prior to putting the floor onto the osb

@robward155 3 жыл бұрын

@@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 Do you seal the concrete floor first and would that help?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 4 жыл бұрын

Please check out our other videos on subfloor over concrete Tips and tricks kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qLd8YKx-uLGuhoU.html And our How to Install a Subfloor over Concrete kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pruFa6d1rsu9o6s.html Also How to Install a Subfloor Over Concrete VERSION 2.0 finally launched! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j7iKoLp23Zm6nqM.html I hope theses videos help you, please stay safe and healthy everyone!

@keithmetzger1510 3 жыл бұрын

using the Delta MS, do you run the Delta ms up the inside of the basement wall, and seal the joint as it connects to the floor?

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

@@keithmetzger1510 you can if you want. Keith you can use any dimple membrane, it doesn’t have to be the “Delta MS” Brand. They are all more less the same. The key is the bigger roll the better and less seams. We use the delta because its what we have a good supply of in our area.

@keithmetzger1510 3 жыл бұрын

awesome thanks. i assumed it was all called Delta MS, it is basically the same. thanks for the tips, we just bought the home and smelled something in the basement and never would have thought the dri core would have been the problem. glad i used the delta in the home we just sold. thanks for the quick response.

@idealdirecthomeimprovement1639 3 жыл бұрын

@@keithmetzger1510 its my pleasure! We all need to help each other. I call all of them delta, lol. Its just habit. I should be saying dimple membrane. Please stay tuned for more video, stay safe and healthy! Feel free to chat and ask any questions, i might take some time to respond or, might just be responding quicker some times.