Weirdest thing was when Rachel McAdams was trying to break the cell, that can hold superheroes, with a fire extinguisher.

Kevin Feige didn’t want Dr Strange to appear in WandaVision because his presence would overshadow Wanda’s “character arc”. He then decides to have Wanda overshadow Strange’s character arc in his own movie. That doesn’t seem fair.

They straight up skipped Dr. Strange 2. Where Strange would stop Baron Mordo and we would finally get to see him become Sorcerer Supreme. Bridging the gap between Dr. Strange and Ragnorak.

I knew one of the writers on the first Dr. Strange movie, a guy named Carlyle. The dude hardcore pushed for it to be as comic accurate as possible and I'm pretty sure was the reason the first movie turned out the way it was. Unfortunately he 'stepped out of line ' and got canned so...here we are.

Wanda in Wandavision: I kidnapped and puppeteered hundreds of innocent civilians to make my fake sit-com world but at least I didn’t hurt anyone, I only scarred them for life. At the very least I’ve learned my lesson and I’ll never do it aga- Wanda in MvM: I brutally murdered hundreds of people without even a second thought for my own selfish, immoral and unjustified reasons but I stopped being evil at the end so I’ve totally learned my lesson and will never do it agai- Wanda next time she shows up:😈

"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?" -George Carlin.

Dr. Strange: "You don't need to train to actively control your power. You are so awesome that you have been subconsciously controlling it since the beginning. Even the portal that sent your moms across the Multiverse."

No one mentioned how Reed Richards, the smartest man in their universe the only line he said to Wanda was to give away their second most powerful persons abilities and exactly what she needed to do to completely nullify him.

TBF Wanda IS insane. Always has been. The only difference between old comics and disney's cringefest is the old comics didn't allow her madness to be applauded and awarded.The whole point of vision being her husband was he was nigh indestructible and infinitely patient.

There was a part during the beginning of the third act where they were running away from Wanda in a tunnel while closing steel doors to try to slow her down. At one point, the last door closes and all of them just stop running away and look at the door to see what happens for what feels a good minute. I guarantee you that there was a very audible annoyed groan coming from the audience. I was livid at how stupid that was.

Truthfully, I saw and felt Sam Raimi's direction. That part I loved. But the writing is what murdered it. Now learning it's the same writer for the Loki series I should have gone in with even lower expectations.

I loved the MCU all the way through endgame I was a huge fan, saw each movie within the first week it came out….. My interest and enthusiasm is so low for current MCU I couldn’t care less about spoilers

They literally did the spider-man web joke in No way home and all Tom said "does it come out of your wrist or anywhere else?". That was at least humorous because it makes sense with Toby's version and it didn't spell it out for you. How incompetent are these writers that one movie ago they did the exact same joke and better? Because, you know, cognitive thinking.

I think the “you did nothing wrong in wandavision” makes sense from everyone’s standpoint if you see it as them trying to talk down an emotionally unstable and unstoppable super goddess who subconsciously mind controlled a town and formed a bubble reality because she had a bad day.

The delusion of people on social media celebrating Wanda murdering innocent people because "yaas kween" makes me hate this film more and more and really gives an insight into the psyche of those pushing her as doing the right thing.

to be fair, Wanda being crazy and became the villain after everything that happened on her show is totally consistent and make sense, even her closure make sense, the way she accepted her fate and just peace out. the confusing thing how tf marvel keeps telling she is a good, kind hearted loving girl by showing her as menacing awesome kickass villain... i mean cmon marvel she has been villain since the begining... she is only "good" when avenger were fighting a greater evil; ultron and thanos

The Illuminati scene was pure cheese. Black Bolt and Reed Richards are supposed to be that cocky… ? Seemed like Professor X was the only one who wasn’t… and how many times do we need to see him die now? Wanda basically mentally assaulted an entire town and why are we still told we’re supposed to feel badly for her about it? This movie was essentially Evil Dead set in the MCU. Tons of typical Raimi calls.

Ever since i noticed the whole men cant defeat women rule its kinda put a massive dampener on my enjoyment of these films because you just know whats going to happen. Case in point Mr. Fantastic, Black Bolt and Professor X all get destroyed before being able to land a single attack. Cant wait to see the "GODKILLER" get slapped around by Valkyrie and Lady Thor in love and thunder. /S

America's origin story was one of the most hilarious things I've ever seen

Raimi's at his absolute best without all this corporate meddling, and it's a damn shame he wasn't able to cut loose

Biggest plot hole for me was... Wanda is basically a walking reality stone. She got in trouble (kinda) because she took an entire town hostage. So to fix it she willingly dropped the reality bubble and yeeted her own 3 creations into nothingness. Then she secluded herself to some cabin in the woods. Sadly the only thing evil dead about it was Wanda herself here... She then proceeds to create ANOTHER reality bubble around the cabin so it looks pretty and has some of the biggest non-fruiting apple trees ive ever seen.... Without recreating her husband and 2 kids again. Why? She could literally just remake them at any given time but is like "nah, i need a different Wandas kids so i can take em dimension hopping for some chicken noodle soup and sprite when they get the sniffles."

I find it funny how all the 20th century Fox marvel leaders (Blackbolt, Mr. Fantastic, and Prof. X) were all in the same universe. I also find it funny how Wanda kills off the three new male characters off rather quickly, while she has slow, drawn out fights with the variant ladies who we have already seen. I did appreciate the brutality of some if the deaths, mainly Blackbolt and Captain Carter.

Drinker's reactions are like "I'm so done with this movie" and he's yet to watch it lol.

The MCU is getting to the same point where marvel comics have been for a while then? The crossovers make the ongoing stories incomprehensible?

The worst part is that everyone I know who cares about the MCU does keep up with both the movies and the shows. Also, no one knowing who Black Bolt was just goes to prove how Marvel really messed up introducing the Inhumans, not only to the MCU but overall.

I saw this last night with my aunt. She’s seen most of the Marvel Studios movies, but she’s never seen a Disney Plus show in her life. She was completely lost during Multiverse of Madness. She hated it because of that. Disney is playing a dangerous game by making the Disney + shows mandatory viewing.

I thought Patrick Stewart's performance in Logan was heartbreaking. My own father was dying from complications relating to dementia when it came out. I never thought that would be almost the last Marvel film I watched.

"i didn't finish it, i lost interest" exatly how i feel about all of the garbage disney kicks out

The one spin that would be funny is pushing the whole "Wanda makes kids with magic" is a pro-life statement & overall a theme of the movie. ;)

All the cool stuff was when Sam Rami was being Sam Rami but this film was held back because of the Marvel formula.

I do agree, Wanda's powers are the most inconsistent and unexplained thing in the MCU. They never really define her limits which makes you wonder if she even has one. She seems to be able to beat anyone at anything simply bc she's the scarlet witch

I especially loved [SPOILERS]'s death by exposition: Mr Fantastic: We're going to stop you, witch. But first, I'm going to introduce the guy who's going to do it and explain his powers in detail so you not only know how to defeat them but trick him into blowing his own brains out. Strange:😐... You're the smart one, right?

The MCU and their fan boys act like Scarlett Witch is some unstoppable force in the comics even though she has like two feats in the comics that make her look strong. She would get destroy by heavy hitters.

"I had Picard flashbacks and I'm not even watching Picard" Lol

Its a common rule in movies these days- There are no real evil women. They have all turned evil because of men. And even if women have to be stopped, they will be stopped by themselves and not by any man. They dont need to work hard to gain their power. They are perfect the way they are and they have all the power they need. No matter what they do, they deserve love and respect from everyone (peak entitlement). They just need to believe in themselves and stop listening to the toxic men. Other men losing lives trying to save the world is not sacrifice made by those men but sacrifice made by women because their feefee got hurt and they have to live with it. The new He Man or more like Teela Show, Captain Marvel, Mulan, Black Widow, these are the new archetypes of modern cinema. And it wont stop. Not only are they producing garbage, they are also making it important to ruin every other character that were well received by the fans. All their story arcs completely ruined. Whether its Captain America, Thor, Charles Xavier, Iron Man, Hulk, Dr. Strange, James Bond, Luke SKywalker, Darth Vader, Loki, next Obi wan, all of them.

Reed Richards being killed sooo easy compared to Captain fucking Carter was painful.

I found a copy that fell off the back of a pirate ship yesterday(never giving Disney any more money), after hearing Chris talk about it both here and on the Nooner with Gary, and it was a hot mess. Definitely feels like 2 movies mashed together in a rush. I couldn't even finish it in one shot, since I was facepalming pretty hard for a good chunk of it...

I'm waiting for the erotic version: Doctor Gets Some Strange

Well, I am disappointed that they have ruined my favourite Avenger, but not surprised. I understand Doctor Strange taking the L in Spider-Man's movie, but to not get the W in his own movie? F*ck off, film.

I love how dr maximoff is both the most powerful heroic character ever, and a mommy who went coo-coo because she wants babies and her husband back

It’s not art, it’s just content

Dear God help me I saw it. This was a mess of a film with a potentially good script somewhere in Kevin Feige’s trash bin. It really was bad

16:19 WHATTT?? My mouth was literally open with amazement at that. She needs the powers to travel the universes just in case the kids fall sick and she needs medicine from another dimension?? Are you serious? Is that how piss poor these writers are??

Last week I saw The Northman, today I saw Dr Strange 2. It's like going from a gourmet 3 star michelin dine to a Mc Donalds happy meal. And the happy meal has no ketchup.

Also where the heck was Vision? Now Wanda is just some strong single mom?

I’d just like to point out Reed Richards is always written as the most intelligent man in his universe, why the fuck is his first instinct to run towards a witch. You know what would’ve been cool, Reed just casually pulls out the Ultimate Nullifier or some shit leading to Wanda having to come up with a creative solution to get them. Or Professor X losing to Scarlet Witch in the mind, this isn’t Jean Grey guys.

Phase 4: Let's Kill Off Our Original Characters To Make Room for Our New Diverse Characters

I've been reading John Byrne's Superman run lately, and there is an issue where Lex Luthor is trying to convince one of the soon to be New Guardians that she should side with him against the Super heroes. He tells a story about Superman fighting a villian named Combattor, and he frames everything that superman does as being selfish and self-aggrandizing, that he doesn't care about the people around him, he destroys property without a thought to who he might be hurting and how it will effect the city, and so on. And it hit me, Supervillians are now writing our superhero stories. The Heroes are being framed as bad guys and the bad people who actually do bad things are being portrayed as victims of their Tyranny. The People who do the right thing, who try to handle problems in the best way possible are now the considered EVIL, and the Emotionally unstable Jerks who act irrationally and actually hurt other people whether they have a reason to or now are GOOD........It's insane

Best reaction from The Critical Drinker: "F*ck off film!"

I think Sam Raimi was held back because of it being a Marvel film. They have their marvel formula, all their Marvel-isms that they want in every film. Kind of ruins a films potential to be truly it's own.

So, Dr. Strange 2 has an ANTI-ABORTION message??? Wanda mourning the loss of her children? Interesting timing.

THE MESSAGE. Is super strong in this movie. They destroyed reed and I am livid at this especially with a fan casted John krasinksi!

Remember when it was reported Benedict stormed off the set yelling "Why don't you just call this movie f&%king scarlet witch!" Now we know why.

So I know the panel doesn't have a ton of comic knowledge, but Blackbolt is one of the strongest characters in the comics, on par with Thor and hulk, and the fact that he apparently gets bitchslapped is bad.

It reminds me of that South Park episode, with the kids playing ninja with anime powers and in EVERY SITUATION Cartman make's up a new power

9:02 And so, the MCU begins to face the same problem that comics have had to deal with for decades: archive panic.

Has anybody asked where the hell Vision was through all this? In any universe?

I actually agree with Hela being unbeatable while Asgard still stood, it gave a high cost for victory and allowed Thor to become a better ruler, both by superior strategy and willingness to sacrifice for his people. Too bad the MCU did absolutely nothing with it, and they outright shit on any future character growth regarding that with the opening scene of Infinity War.

Can we also acknowledge that Wanda was only with her kids for a couple days at most before they vanished. What kind of connection could she have possibly developed?

I've spoken to three friends this afternoon who are keen to see this film this weekend. I wanted to tell them not to go, to save their money and do something better, but sometimes you can't talk someone out of a bad idea. They have to see if for themselves.

Wanda's reality manipulation makes the reality stone/aether look completely useless.

I love that you guys watch these turkey films and give the great analysis, as there's no way on earth I'd go to see any of these films anymore.

Mauler there better be an unbridled rage video for this movie

The only thing i liked about this movie was crazy wanda, The MSheU finally showcased some of the scary things a character with such power can do, it was OP AF but it felt like something wanda could totally do.

There was a small burst of her energy before that temple completly collapsed & Elisabeth Olsen has like a 7 movies deal so she can't be dead

Patrick Stewart "...drank from the wrong Holy Grail." I almost pissed myself! 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

The whole point of trotting Stewart out looking all senile and frail IS to denigrate him it's an extension of what they are doing to his characters. It won't stop because they want people thinking of this doddering old schill instead of a deep voiced vital looking man. These productions aren't about profit. They'll take it if it's there but there is a plan behind how all these characters and actors are being treated.

We now have a constant stream of movies where zero training new to their powers heroines can close their eyes and focus on “the power within” to simply out brawl foes twice their size and with a lifetimes training. Yet the long established male heroes can’t even defeat their regular rogues gallery without the help/plot-armour-break of a randomly allocated strong independent whammen who is utterly incapable of sustaining their own successful comic run.

At this point, Steven needs to open up a fuckin' daycare for all the *Baby sitting* he keeps doing🤦🏾

Let it all die. From the ashes new dynasties wil arise.

I thought once; I could use fake realities, movies, comics, video games to escape the things I do not enjoy of the every day mundane. However, if there’s one thing I’ve learned in pass years, is there’s no escaping

I don't understand why they had Marvels most intelligent person(Reed Richards), stand there and just try to GRAB Wanda. Wtf? Reed would of had a way better contingency plan than that, it is ridiculous. How was Wanda not knocked out when getting hit by Caps shield? She is still a human, and from what I can tell she didn't have a force field up. Why was Christine trying to break a cage to hold super heroes with a fire extinguisher? My boy Professor X was done wrong. Even if Wanda is more powerful he would have put up a better fight than that. To bad Legion wasn't there. Captain Marvel can be crushed now by stone? Wtf was that? 2 moms. Edit: For the Wanda stans out there, Thanos still wrecks her in every aspect😂

Can we forget the movie and take a moment to appreciate the Drinkers bad ass Hulkamania shirt?

MCU peaked with Infinity War. Change my mind. Also - requiring viewers to watch the Disney+ content makes *perfect sense* when this movie was made for Disney+. The fact that it's in theaters is just advertising to get more subs.

You know, the multiverse has an infinite amount of universes where wanda is dead while the kids still exist, so wanda should've collaborated with strange to help chavez with her power and open a portal to those particular universes rather than taking chavez's power and kill an alternate wanda

Anyone else just thinking that if they were going for the multiverse storyline why they didn't just start in a new universe after end game and do the setup for the next big threat with a brand new cast of characters. It would also allow new actors to take on Iron man and Captain America, Thor, Black widow etc as we all know the actors are tired of these roles. They could have changed their origin stories and do alternate histories. Like you can also have had the characters from the old universe make appearances and help out etc. I'm also thinking about it from a new fans perspective. No new fan is going to have a clue what's happening or why unless they watch several other films and series on a platform that might not exist in a few years time as Disney might pull the plug on plus at some point in the future.

“It would take me hours and hours to go through this pile of shit” And this being MauLer, you *know* he means hours!

In the immortal words of Stan “The Man” Lee: “Every issue is someone’s first.” Thank God I was aware of all the details going in. I actually kinda forgot about Baron Mordo and kinda brain farted on Strange having been Snapped for 5 years.

My love for the MCU is officially buried six feet under with Stan Lee

Yea, have to strongly agree with two specific comments. 1) Loki destroyed the character Loki; and 2) Infinity stones in a drawer like a collection of paper weights. I was watching Loki with my wife. After the first couple of episodes of Loki, I popped in my The Avengers blu-ray and went straight to Loki's entrance in The Avengers. I asked, is this the Loki in Loki? No, we agreed. They are the same in appearance and name only. Loki was emasculated from the get-go. As soon as they stripped him and put on the shock-collar and the power inhibitors, he was basically emasculated where the only juice left in him was to fall in love with a female version of himself which is in an of itself an "ew, gross" moment.

Sooooo.... In the MCU, kidnapping people is justifiable as long as you run away at the end? WTF!!???!?!?!

Why wouldn't Wanda just go to a Universe where she is dead and the kids need a mother? 90 minutes saved

The deaths of the heroes in this movie were horrifying, but not in a good way

The thing with the fucking infinity stones in a drawer thing is that is 100000% devalues the sacrifice of characters like Gamora and Black Widow.

Can we talk about how a single guy with a sniper rifle in Kamar Taj could've ended the entire conflict the moment Wanda shows up in the cloud of evil?

Wanda created her kids in wandavision, and instead of just making them again but not enslaving a town, she goes on a quest through multiple universes to steal them from herself. Wut?

I agree with you at 19:00, Critical Drinker. Logan was supposed to be Patrick Stewart's last ever time playing Professor X.

In Far From Home Mysterio claimed the mainline Earth is 616. Does this mean he got it right completely by accident?

… I thought the TF2 scout says “I could do this all day”? Hahaa!

I lost all hope on the MCU lmao i was hyped for Sam Raimi's directing a Marvel movie but he was definitely held back by them.

Once again, love these cut up shorts from your talks

Apart from some cringe moments - the "music fight" was completely bonkers, for example - I enjoyed it. As was mentioned by the boys, the pace is _relentless_ and Raimi's vision is very apparent.

Seen it last night with my housemate, he loved Dr strange and he was stoned when he seen this and even he was like, meh.

I feel like this would've been a whole lot better if they leaned off of the concept of the multiverse and the high from No Way Home and just picked up where the first Dr. Strange movie left off, just Stephen and Mordo with a full-on seizure-inducing magic deathmatch to see who's the better sorcerer.

The needing to watch everything is what is killing the comic industry.

The fantastic four movies 2000s which I like will be hold as masterpieces compared to marvel does

Film was mediocre, at best. Clunky, messy, and underwhelming. Outside a few scenes, the movie was very forgettable, corny, and multi-verse bait.

I laughed so hard when Drinker said "Fuck off film" hahahaha. Everytime America spoke, it felt really stupid and forced. Like the blue haired girl from the last Matrix. But there were so many Sam Raimi-isms, and that's what i loved about the film. Black Captain marvel died because a stone fell on her. But before that, she just stoodby as Wanda killed her fellow Illuminati mates. They waited turns. It was so dumb. It was nice seeing John Krasinski as Reed, but unfortunately he died 5 mins later. Black bolt lost his mouth, freaked out and vaporized his brain and skull. It felt like Wong was the only good thing in this movie. Though everyone was acting really hard, but looked really tired.

When I watched this movie, I actually missed the opening scene and arrived only to see this giant tentacle monster chasing this girl in New York. So while I understood the general premise of the movie, I felt completely lost on how some elements came to be, such as the Strange corpse or America's power until they resurfaced later in the movie. And that is the heart of this film's issues in my opinion. Others have mentioned how this film feels like two different movies at odds with each other, the corporate Marvel superhero narrative that emphasizes world-building and interconnecting all of these different characters, concepts, and worlds and then there's this trippy, abstract Sam Raimi spectacle where we're seeing a self-centered asshole make grand sacrifices against unfathomable horrors. When it's Marvel, it's convoluted and heavily relies on your investment in this grander narrative of multiversal conflict. When it's Sam Raimi, it's all-consuming bleakness sprinkled with slapstick and tearing down the egos of these self-important "heroes." And based on the interviews Sam has given about the creative process of this film, it's painfully obvious that the people at the top didn't know how everything would piece together so they left it up to the director to make the most of their messy continuity. My only hope is that IF Sam winds up coming back to direct another Marvel project, he's wholeheartedly allowed to DIRECT instead of trying to jigsaw a narrative from the disjointed ramblings of corporate entities.

Im seeing this in about an hour or so. It was one of my most anticipated MCU films since I’m a huge Sam Raimi fan. Everything I’ve heard so far has been negative. Lol