They are writing themselves 💯💯💯😂😂

it's almost as though they want KZfaqrs to make money.

If I didn't know better I'd think studios are making films and series to make youtubers $$$$.

Bombing at the box office because of wokeness - priceless

You forgot white male villain

When I saw the title I didn't believe it. WHY would, of ALL the awesome characters in Spider-Man, they decide "You know what we should do? We should do a MADAM WEB movie! But we make her gay, and we make her fucking lame!" She's GONNA be gay, there's FOUR women in this movie, she's gonna be gay.

Everything marvel has done in the past 10 years has been a weird decision.

They are cherry picking and reconning a story arc where madame webb helps the spider-women that were being attacked by a power syphoning baddie. This is Madame Webb in name alone.

She’s a mysterious guide, not guy-in-the-chair, like spider man is never quite sure if she’s helping him or pursuing her own agenda that happens to align with his at the moment. Could be awesome but god this is so awful.

Exactly.

Yeah, my grandmother also told me that Octavian and Mark Antony were flies

This sent me💀💀💀

😂😂😂😂

Get a new bit. You are at Disney levels of unfunny overused tropey bullshit.

Normy comment humor is worse than Disney ladyhumor

"Like Ohmygawd!"

I live within a very short walking distance of a co-worker of mine. We both ride motorcycles every chance we get. We would be superheroes, but unfortunately we're white men. The connection only works if you are diverse women.

@@JoeBManco and you can't be connected to a woman and be important either... like the casual death of her coworker who she spends a ton of time with.

Wanna see how it goes, but her friends seem either irrelevant or annoying, but probably pointless

​@@gabrielboorom2683😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I laughed so hard at that 😂 This is one of the worst edited trailers I’ve seen. It’s all over the place.

Yeah, it's garbage exposition shit loading. Definitely SNL level stuff. "Yes a casually name drop and recount details to things I wasn't there for to strangers I just met in order for plot to move along." It's like our president reading stuff off his queue cards.

It was probably a South American wandering spider. But in the words of Crocodile Dundee, Australia’s Funnel Web Spider “Can kill a man just by lookin at ‘im.”

Really sounds like ChatGPT generated.

And not even good SNL material tbh

Not in the comics for a long time though, the original Madam Web was killed by Kraven's kids in 2010 Grim Hunt story arc and replaced by Julia Carpenter, former second Spider-Woman.

@Ocelot835 we only read the good comics, though

Madame Webb in modern comics is not elderly anymore?? But go off

@@notTroddn Original is the only version I can take seriously

@@Ocelot835 jesus christ thats awful.

What're the odds that line is actually IN the movie?

@@gabrielboorom2683 not zero

With great power comes no accountability.

@@Lonovavir *With girl power comes no accountability

Can definitely see this happening

We already basically had that happen in the last Spider-Man film where they gave the line to aunt may. But yeah I can 1000% see them doing it.

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That villain costume, yikes

Even CW shows are better than this fucking shit. Sony Marvel and MCU are terribles.

The dialogue is so brutally clunky. "He was in the Amazon when my mom was researching spiders." Oh would this be the mom we've never heard of before this convenient plot device?

Yore not the Flesh berry, we are 🌈 *The Flash* 🌈

It sucks that we have to use the phrase “It looks like a CW series” as an insult. Because the CW USED to have good, or decent at best, superhero shows on their network. Then as the years went on the shows got worse. More cheap, more embarrassingly low effort. Which is unfortunate.

"Look old man, with White Privilege comes great misogyny!"

It will actually hurt

So basically doing a very Madem Web thing that she would do in the original?

Booooo...

*Responsitrilitance

She saw it coming. She let it happen for victim points.

Typical young people. Think the whole motherfucking world revolves around them.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, really.

Yeah, that part actually got a laugh out of me. I don't think it was supposed to, but it was the one thing I could see happening in real life.

No accountability for her own actions? Sounds legit actually.

I almost got hit by someone walking in Wal mart Parking lot but do I have a photographic memory that I remember the individual with crystal clarity? Hell, I can't even remember the face of my doctor. I hate plot points like this.

Ezekiel Sims? Who writes these characters, Charles Dickens?

I was about to comment about Ezekiel, but you said it first and better than I could’ve

@@stalhandske9649 In Ezekiel's case, it was J. Michael Straczynski, the "Babylon 5" guy. He was trying to "expand the mythos" or something, trying to put his own spin on things. For the most part, he was a fairly solid writer for Spider-Man, then Joe Quesada ordered him to write "One More Day" and forced him to put his name to it (Straczynski hated it and wanted to disavow any connection he had to that piece of crap). After that he stopped giving any effs, and that paved the way for Dan Sloott to move his corpulent tuchus into the driver's seat.

I think they may be swapping him for Morlun.

'Mar-vell' was an old lady played by Annette Benning and was killed off after about 2 minutes of screentime without accomplishing anything

At least the first three can work on their own as they have their own comics as a lead. Like if you're already a fan you don't really need to know much about the characters.

The question is really what difference does the character being black actually make at all?... None, so why is it a problem for Gundam, and why is that the moment he decides it's time to stop caring... 🤔

@renji0002 yeah wouldn't surprise me honestly. Like I get the whole idea that diversity just for the sake of diversity is not great and obviously doesn't equal success or good movies, but come on, a traditionally white character gets a black actor cast to play them in a new series of movies and you decide this is the moment to stop watching... It's moments like these that remind me that a good chunk of the population are not self aware at all, and are completely oblivious to their own bs

​@@lucasbennett7717Spoken like a true normie. Like someone said here, what's wrong with race swapping all red heads into black person? Or let's swap black panther into a white man next since that's in fashion now right? Just dumb!

@@lucasbennett7717 This tired old argument again? It's pretty obvious that the reason people are tired of swaps isn't because of the color they become, but because they're changed for the sheer sake of tokenization and politics to begin with. It's a red flag that signals the overall tone and respect towards the source material of the entire movie, and it has a very high rate of being on point. Just because you gladly eat the slop you are fed doesn't mean everyone else finds it palatable. You talk about self awareness, but you're making such a dishonest argument here.

It's funny because it's true.

Then vvhamens cheer! They cheer all the way up until they need to call them for help. Vvhamens also cheer that they don't need no man, until something in their house or car breaks, then they IMMEDIATELY need a man.

Definitely had nothing to do with f da police

"ACAB"

Because woke Hollywood can't have an Asian actress and a black actress in roles opposite each other. To be woke is to discriminate against Asians and whites, don't you know that?

So you wanted a movie about an old blind physically disabled lady who reacts to things that aren't actually there? 😂 That can work ok in a comic or cartoon, but not so much in live-action... Btw, these are all characters from the comics so Idk what the problem is there.

@@Adventist1997 Exactly my point. It doesn't work. They just wanted to make a Groundhog Day/Happy Death day/ Final Destination kind of movie with race-swapped C-Tier Comic Book heroes

@@Adventist1997you literallly answered your own question 😂

Well she mostly phoned it in for fifty ways to go jail for adult fun.

You sure that's not just her acting style.

Style = inability now

She's a type that good writers and directors have successfully worked with. When we had good writers and directors.

They told her "you're going to be the title character in a Marvel movie! This is huge!!" Then she looked up what her character is supposed to be and realized that's how Hollywood casting directors think of her.

That would be horrifying in all the right ways.

Just as spiders foretold.

With the title "Arachnarok" :p

Ive never seen Final Destination but it sounds like basically the Spider-Verse comics already if you just replace death with Morlun the vampire right??? SONY SHOULD'VE MADE THAT MOVIE INSTEAD OF THIS!

I can't wait for Gundam to review Madam Web when it come out as a person who loved anime I prefer Gundam to compare it on an anime like he did to She-Hulk and compare it to Demon Slayer and tell everyone that Japan makes better content than western I really hope he compare every isekai anime to The Boys also

@@archshade7891 This will be nothing like She-Hulk. That much I can say... Because it's not even made by Disney.

@@Adventist1997 that make sense why it looks like a low budget film

Keep digging and eventually you will find gold.... right?

tell that to a guy who works in a manure stockpile :)@@planexshifter

They missed a golden opportunity by not gender swapping the main character and calling it Monsieur Web because, why tf not.

@@secondchance6603No men allowed.

They manage to find new dimensions and shatter them, right? So all we're left with are Shattered Dimensions...

That's a good reference!

the fatigue i am getting is the desperate attempts at trying to catch lightning of the phase 1 and 2 of MCU. It is a one and done kinda thing folks in hollyweird. Please stop dipping into the Marvel grab bag of characters and retconning them to girl bosses.

I'm not tired of superhero movies as a general rule, but it's definitely a huge problem when people start to expect that superhero movie = shit. I didn't even lift an eyebrow when Love and Thunder was announced because the MCU had already become a reliable political propaganda machine by that point. I would've needed convincing and assurance that it was actually good to have an interest in seeing it, and the same has been the case with every other MCU project and even Disney production in general for years now.

Yep pretty much the way I’ve been saying it

Invincible and The Boys is great.

@@MomoAfterDark No, they're adaptations of great things adapted by the likes of Seth Rogen which have already stepped away from the source material to indulge in grating post modern nonsense with a virtual guarantee they're gonna shoehorn in more of the same later. Thanks but no thanks, I already had to watch Lucifer, Preacher, and Sandman all get the same treatment.

Definetly.

She was voiced by Stan Lee's wife

True, but this doesn't seem like the worst idea for an origin story for the Venom universe.

You leave Leopardon out if this trivle, else World Martial Arts champion Supaidaman will come back for revenge! Dear god, the fact that the japanese Spiderman show is actually better than most of this shlock thats written today is sad.

@@MrAnthraxes I'm the emissary from HELL! 🕷🇯🇵🕸

Nah, this is gonna make tons of money. Trust me bro, can see the future. Spider-web-thingy and everything!

I see it making plenty if people stop assuming it's made by Disney before it comes out.

Also the black Nick Fury was just Ultimate Nick, the 616 one was (and still is) white. And 616 black one? That's OG Nicks kid/grandkid iirc, the white one is still up and about.

We have never had a problem with raceswapped roles if it's awesome. The problem with most of them nowadays is they're so contrived and force-fed to us.

​@@FantasyremixExactly, if they just opened up and said "yes, the character is white, however actor X is incredible and this is why we've done it..." Instead it's always denial/accusations and delusional takes on reality.

So they made him black? Lol

At least the original Fury, who looked like David Hasselhoff, was actually a veteran of foreign wars, unlike the M-She-U Samuel L Jackson, ‘Furry’ who was an office jockey that acted like he had done more.

Ewwww Billie

What do you mean? It's not like Madam web is a new character...

@@Adventist1997- Madam Web is supposed to be an old woman who sees the threads of time & advises heroes like Spider-Man. She’s not a super-hero! Prep the B-1! Load the bomb bay!

@@Adventist1997 Hydra bob isn't a new character in Deadpool either but they don't go making movies about him.

A strong independent wahmen that don't need no man that should be under the umbrella of Spider-Man that doesn't need to be rewrote to work? Ummmmmm...... Black Cat?

Mattie's run was good I collected the whole thing.

I don't think that is what they are doing at all, this is set BEFORE these girls get powers, which is why they need Madame Webs protection, because the bad guy wants to kill them before they do, because in the future, they gang up on him (possibly with Peter, whose mom is in the movie) to take him down, so he plans on killing them first. So we might in glimpses of the future, get the original stories for these girls too.

"She’s not a mainstream character and this could’ve shed some light on her, instead she’s looked like she’s set up to be the token black character." Well of course! How else are you supposed to end racism except by perpetuating it? Its the Hollywood way!

Yea she was interested

My sister said that's Cassandra cain and I about had an aneurysm of rage.

You forgot they also need to be lame. Though that could easily be fixed by having them get kicked on the ankle at the start and spend the entire movie limping.

Brilliant! :D

Well played you got me in the first half

They really should learn from yuri and yuribait anime how to make good gay female characters

Most of that is not what is happening here, this is set BEFORE Peter Parkers Spiderman. And it's Uncle Ben who saves Cassandra Web from drowning when she gets stuck in the falling car. Thus isn't an all men are bad movie.

It doesn't look good, but IMO better than the Kraven movie

The choreography looks awful, the CGI looks awful & visually just looks bad too, it has that fan film aesthetic and feeling to it.

I'm sure they'll be carrying it financially, lol.

I don't think it looks bad and my pronouns are the ones I was given at birth. I'm fine with a story of madam Web, so Idk why there's so much hate when we don't have much on the story. And judging how it looks based on the trailer? I thought Spider verse looked like trash, and honestly, it still is... But the story and action was good despite it visually hurting my eyes. 😂

​@@Adventist1997how is Spiderverse trash?!

It's still the mentality of them being the only game in town when it comes to visual entertainment. Used to be watch whatever they put out, or don't watch anything at all. Now there's so many options, you could watch independent creators on KZfaq all day every day and still not get through a fraction of the quality content.

It became bulletproof. Criticism = bigot. We are only just breaking through that nonsense now.

I can see various executives wanting to self insert into this movie, so they can see the outcome of their bad decisions and correct them.

Jamie Lee Curtis

That would be interesting, but it wouldn't serve their purpose, this movie has a bigger function in the story arc of the SSU and maybe eventually in the MCU. Madame Web is young and able bodied for a reason, this movie is a prequel of sorts for Spiderman (don't know if its MCU or SSU Spiderman yet, but a rumour has Spiderman 4 leaning heavily into SSU, possibly leading to a merger of the SSU and MCU.

Fuck no

That could've been cool. Why they hate older people? With years many have experience and thus wisdom.

​@@asarishepard8171 They obviously wanted an origin story before she became an old lady. Why is that a bad concept?

Man-Spider and yes that was a fun arc and quite comic book accurate.

At least with Mobius it makes more sense to have him have a solo film as he does his own adventures without Spiderman

That seems to be their fastest way to bankruptcy - making movies on characters no one knows, then also changing that character to be a different race/gender/abilities/story.

The biggest problem is that these films lack a Spider-Man, Now apparently Sony can’t use Peter Parker but Ben Reilly exists(You can say Peter is married to MJ who is Pregnant) and focus on Ben having to struggle in this world with some of these characters doubting him and him proving he’s an Sensational Spider-Man(Get it?)

@@henrygambles3652 Wait, they can't use Peter Parker? Is that in live-action only due to the deal with the MCU?

@@tjjordan4207 It’s not confirmed but I’ve heard several rumors that Sony in their own Spider-Man film Universe can’t use their own version of Peter Parker in live action, Spiderverse has different contract rules!

Sliver and Black made more sense than this. The silver sable and black cat movie

Until the ending ruin it

Next.

There was even a scene where he goes into a diner and gets into a fight.

That's the movie I was thinking of the whole time I watched the trailer. I wonder if that's the "inspiration" for how they have her powers work? Looked pretty similar.

Only seen the movie once, just remember it was better than expected

the trope of reliving the same time period over and over is really popular right now so it's no surprise to see it make it into movies alongside video game "adaptations"

Origin stories have devolved from "crazy experiment" to "I couldn't possibly have been a Scout, because I was not prepared."

All I saw is Final Destination. All of us die, but when it's time for me to die time just rewinds and we can prevent it all from happening. It's FINAL DESTINATION 😕

You know, I could believe that about the East River.

The plot of the movie which I think was leaked a while ago is literally the plot of terminator meets groundhog Day with spiderman easter eggs which I found fxking hilarious

This was absolutely perfect... but screw you for making me remember that slutty PPG project 😂

I liked Hawkeye 🤷🏾

I liked Atomic Blonde.... For one she at least got hurt. Blood, an unholy amount of bruises, a blown eye, cracked ribs. She took more damage in that one film than all the rest in your list combined. Also helps that Charlize is actually physically intimidating. She's almost 6' tall and spent her life doing actual punishing things. She's the Hollywood version of Michelle Yeoh. Had a career in ballet(which is extremely physical and all about pain management) and got hurt so couldn't do the millimeter perfect technical work anymore required to hit those jumps, went into films as an actress and stuntwoman, got hurt in a stunt and couldn't do some of that anymore, became more of a straight actress but still does lower level stunts. They've oddly parallel careers. And noone complains about Michelle Yeoh. I think it's because Charlize says things that do lead into the current trope of how bad the Strong Female Character has become, without people realizing she actually has led a life which lets her say those things. They just see the pretty blonde woman, not the person who's done things none of her male costars would even attempt. That and also didn't have Jackie Chan in the background for two decades pointing out everything she did.

@@halycon404 All Valid Points. Though sadly I don't believe the Movie made enough Money and its sadly VERY Clear that Hollywood WANTS more Charlizes but There aren't enough Women who fit that Bill. Not even the the Girls are 'playing pretend' to be that.

@@mitchellalexander9162 The movie tripled it's budget. No more of them because Lietch became one of the most wanted lower/mid budget action directors in Hollywood. No him, no movie. No one else can do stunt choreography of that level for such a small budget. He's been bouncing from movie to movie constantly at around one a year since the first John Wick. He's kinda become The Guy for the sub 100 million dollar budget action film. Most of them have been less than 50.

CW is accurate lol

@renji0002did kraven come out I actually wanna see it I loved that character

Kraven looks like it may good though.

​@renji0002 Morbius in the movie is an anti-hero. So is Venom. They defeat villains in every movie.

@renji0002 I know, and I'm talking about movies.

@@tinalevan1984 nah, they are just butchering another character, edit: and based on the trailer, the father seems more like Kraven than the son

Have to wonder why they don't just use Mayday. The Raimi movies are old enough they would even fit in the same canon.

I'm still gonna see Deadpool.

Unless they have Phil lord & Chris Miller as directors or screenwriters

It's been 20 years, 20 bloody years. Can't they just relegate them to history.

Ah, the problem here is, that would be a good story.

or it could have chosen just one spider-woman to showcase. They all three have their own lore.

This movie is set in the past, before Peter Parker becomes Spiderman, his Mom's in it as is Uncle Ben.

​@@jamoretz9149true, but in this movie, in the "current" time in the movie, they don't have their powers yet, only Madame Web does, even then only recently, which is why the villain is trying to kill them before they get their powers, because he knows they will defeat him (possibly with Peter Parker's help) decades later, after they get their powers.

@@gyorgyor7765 Which, to me, makes even less sense. All the other spider girls shouldn't be near the same age as Ezekiel and Madame Web.

Hell yeah. Who can forget them puppies?

@@P.Whitestrake IKR?

Pretty much all the good characters you can explain in a sentence.

Wonder Woman was hot & a total badass plus she got decades of legacy. Stick Carol Danvers in the Black & Gold she might of had a shot. Start with hot then show her as a total badass and then build to creating a lasting legacy.

All characters in this movie are 1980-2004 so yeah lots of history and they smahing together so it probably wont do well or be too simple.

@@docsavage8640 you can explain stilt-man in a sentence does not mean he is good

@@jamoretz9149 Stilt-Man is a tertiary villain. Nobody's trying to elevate him.

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She _IS_ old in the comics

This "madame" isnt old ... so go figure out the rest for yourself. There would be a director for that movie: Axel Braun ... but sadly I heard he was retiring.

You need to raise your standards. They're both way below average looking women.

They aren't gonna sexify any of them.. especially sweeney

Yea we ain’t gonna see Sydney’s rack in this movie she’s gonna be covered like a nun