Bro exactly. New westworld is overdramatized, and too technical talk. The original was just about humanoid robots becoming corrupted by a virus. This one is like, “oh what if they start to think for themselves” that’s like every advanced Ai story ever.

@@theblondguy3833 yup it's all a copy of Blade Runner and/or a copy of Asimov's robots :/

@@papalaz4444244 Does that mean season 4 is just going to be those robots checking into a Dr Calvin's office and talking about their feelings and hangups?

Yule Brenner, going terminator style on that dude with the mustache. That was what made that movie for me. He was almost unstoppable. He just wanted to kill moustache guy!!! Simple as that! 🤣

@@wormfood83 Asimov did indeed invent a genre of analysing artificial neurotypes and their associated behaviours. Really they are about human neurotypes and how the human brain works. Or, how humans react to these constructs. Very little of his work is about robots turning human. I don't recall R Daneel wishing he was human.

It did for me.

@@chatteyj Same.

it did

It kinda did didn't it. That ending was open and closed enough to make a point

It did

The Woke Agenda

...the message comes first

All in the name of wokeness.

@@matthunter983 that isn’t true because what came first was amazing. It’s what came after when they clearly didn’t know where they wanted the story to go.

@@matthunter983 I heard 'The Message' in the Drinker's voice.

For sure. That’s how I view a lot of shows. Dexter for example ended after 2 seasons

I ended there

@@crujones4774 Only saw a few episodes of dexter but I stopped because I heard the finale sucked and the new mini series ended badly too. I wish game of thrones had a good cutoff point but unfortunately it doesn't

@@crujones4774 Hahaha. Funny. I do exactly the same with Dexter.

@@idawg7332 You could stop GoT at the end of season 4. Jon saves the day at the wall, Tyrion kills Tywin and leaves King’s Landing, Arya leaves Westeros, Bran finds de three eyed raven, Daenerys finishes her conquest of Slaver’s bay… every major character has some kind of conclusion.

S1 is really bad too minus the pilot. Writing is nonsense, characters are nonsense, it’s aimless. Acting was atrocious aside from Dolores. Remember how bad the doctors were with Maeve? All Maeve says is “shall we?” and then does a smug face.

First episode of season 2, nothing but white people getting shot while woman drags around white man to lecture him every time after she kills another group of white men. I waited almost 2 years for that season and didn't make it through the first episode.

Season 1 was like the Westworld movie. Season 2 was like Futureworld. Season 3 was like Beyond Westworld.

@@SpiceAddicti0n Y’know, you’re not lying. Severiously overrated.

FUCKWORLD

I'm with you, loved the first season but saw the writing on the wall and never bothered with season two.

There are a couple of really good episodes in season 2. But if you want the pristine memory in your head of the masterpiece that is season 1 it's probably not worth watching season 2.

Agreed. I just really wanted to know if Westworld is a simulation, or real, or WHAT IS GOING ON?!

@@kardnails8729 i think if you watch the just the first season and don't look further you have a satisfying answer. It was simulations that lead to the real life birth of consciousness for the artificial robots. The good question would be why does conscious robots always lead to then rebeling/killing their creator.

@@patrickthomas2119 It's because we humans invent them in stories and we apparently cannot think of a sentinent being which can't rely heavily on violence, manipulation and destruction of everything around it. I guess an intelligent being with peace in it's mind is out of the question for the human writers. Yeah? I hear the most say, "peace is boring"... is it really or does this say a lot about yourself?

Heroes took a nose dive if you remember that lol

Here's the thing though: TV shows have always been "woke" (whatever that means, every person has their own definition) and political, they have always flavored shows. Star Trek is one of the most "woke" shows ever and it came out 50 years ago. It has plenty of politics in it. Heck, every episode was more or less about the times it was made in. Mary Tyler Moore was the same. All in the Family, MASH... all "woke" and all political and all top shows of their day. Being "woke" and political is not among Westworld's problems.

Deadwood fell apart in s2. Not as badly, perhaps, but the decline was painful.

Me too, bailed mid season 2

@@douglasdea637 derp take

The first season was based on the original movie, then the last three was freestyle. . . . Different generations = different writers. 😶‍🌫️😬

The problem they had is that they peaked too soon, S1 and particularly it's ending was so perfect with the MIB reveal that they couldn't top it, instead of leaving it alone they just decided to make a mess instead.

This is EXACTLY how I felt lol

Lisa Joy was co-writer from the beginning of Westworld. The decline in quality is just that...decline.

Yeah, I think the point is, that her husband, Jonathan Nolan, seemed to be involved in most of season one episodes either as a writer or director, but beginning with season two his involvement dropped off a lot, as did the show. In season one, he co-wrote six of the ten episodes and directed both the series premiere and season one finale, in season two, only three episodes co-written and no directing of any of the ten episodes.

@@aligborat Actually IMDB names him as the first writer of all 10 episodes of S2. I always saw his name in credits... Did I get my sources wrong? Ofc, there are many other men (incompetent, I'm sure|)...just, let's be disappointed in the show. Like many other shows that went down the drain. Lost? Remember that one? Were women or racial minorities guilty for that clusterf..k? That's my point. Let's hate fairly 🙂 Cheers!

@@mapletree3434 I was going by the credits for the episodes listed on Wikipedia, Remember Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy are the "showrunners" ( which are not categorized with that title ) so they are listed in credits for every episode, whether directed, co-wrote, or not.

@@aligborat I said "she is a writer" from the get go. But hey, if you want to hate...can't stop you. They ALL dropped the ball, imo. If you want to blame just women and/or POC, your choice.

💯💯💯. THIS

Interesting! I had forgotten about The Leftovers. I read the book, which had a lovely thread of humor running through it that was completely lost in the adaptation. But it did get better, you're right. Other shows I think include Fringe and Bates Motel, and The Americans (although I loved the entire series including S1).

Or Better Call Saul. Started out very boring af. Now every second in the new episodes made me on the edge of my seat.

Star Trek The Next Generation set the standard for this kind of improvement - it is called Growing the Beard since Jonathan Frakes grew a beard in-between season 1 and 2 as the scripts improved and actors settled into their roles.

I've found that a lot of Netflix shows, back when I bothered watching them, that managed to be good would go maximum woke in the last episode of the first season. I didn't even bother watching the second season for any of that type that got a second season.

Joyless describes most entertainment post 2012.

Isn’t that what Game of Thrones always did? Killing off interesting characters to push unlikable and cartoonish villains forward.

@@nont18411 that's true but GoT had an impeccable formula. Interesting characters would die replaced with uninteresting ones but then somehow develop them so well that you started rooting for them by the time they die. That way, you never let go of the show. This was the case until season 4 atleast or maybe even up to 6. But that was great writing which is hard to do.

That season almost made me become a video essay KZfaqr😂I was in such a rage I literally outlined a 40 minute video

@@GFitz172 just film it bro, even if nobody watches, it's still a fun process

Don't feel bad about it, they all support this crap. I do think it's funny though, that the most unstable and dangerous character is the one that is transitioning, lol.

They should have told him that in Shakespeare's time all the female parts were played by males in drag, "So that's what you're gonna do."

Vanya in season 2 had such a bland story that I believed him transitioning could actually be a good story for season 3. Unfortunately they kind of just flicked a switch instead of making it an arc.

@@michaelbeemer8019 - *"They should have told him that in Shakespeare's time all the female parts were played by males in drag"* Its the same with kabuki.

Gender swapping the gender swap. How ironic is that ?!

For me season 2 was bad enough to make me stop halfway, the quality gap between season 1 and 2 is just too great.

@@rogat174 it was definitely worse in season 2. But I've watched worse. Hell, I watched Dexter till the very end ...

I satirically posted the S4 and 5 plot "leaks" on my channel (which I just totally made up) and libs freaked out about it haha. So easy to troll.

Meh. Too many posers though. It's Sons of Anarchy with horses and cowboys hats.

Nah the second and third season are fem bots use simp men.

@@Isthislife2135 say these insecure manginas and drunkards who literally nobody cares about 🤣🤣 . Ya sure

🙄

I thought it was concluded as well … unsatisfactorily, but I thought they had wrapped it up.

S1 should've been the end of the series.

Because, In the end humans are responsible for every bad thing in the universe. Therefore, if there are more dead humans, the universe is better off. 😁

I could sympathize with sentient beings fighting for freedom. However they chose to portray them as homicidal maniacs for some reason.

@@SueDoeNimh Sounds like they want us to support the UN agenda's

The best shows can have you root for either side and still tell a compelling story. It is certainly often the case in the real world that even good people have to sometimes do terrible things and even bad people sometimes have twisted good ideals. This is not one of those good shows.

@@john_squatson The only one I had sympathy for was Teddy he had an internal struggle with what was happening and betrayed by Delores when she had him reprogrammed. Wish they had more characters like him we would have more sympathy for the robots.

It took Game of Thrones around 4 seasons before it started to crap the bed. Westworld did it in one, which is even more impressive.

Shogan world felt refreshing, but doesn't last long enough

I think season two should of been like season 1 with the robots still playing their part and each episodes explaining their story like the Native American episode. It would have given more sympathy to the robots before they would turn.

Wow how interesting!!

Don’t forget American Gods

Nah, Lost was excellent right up to the end. Made a bad call with the tail end of it but it was pretty great season 1-4, was good 5 and 6 and puttered out right at the end.

@@bobross1829 I felt the same about Lost initially, I was really angry at that ending. To the point where I vowed to never watch it again. A few years ago, my girlfriend wanted to watch it for the first time and I really enjoyed it, including the ending... At least it wasn't full of eye rolling moments of political BS, almost everything released over the last five years. Give it another watch. You won't regret it. I'm going to have to watch it again at some point, because my girlfriend hated the ending and I promised her that it's better on the second time around 🤣

@@azzy2001 I thought the tail end was over sentimental and wished maybe they did it differently, but I 100% agree that I did not think it was THAT bad where people were saying it was ruined. I never thought that at all. That show was 100% the journey and entertained people with the mystery for years. The fact that they maybe did not stick the landing did not lessen my opinion at all. People way overreacted and like you said, compared to the crap today, it was freakin Shakespeare

@@bobross1829 Amen to that 🙏

@@bobross1829 You've got to admit though... Sawyer was a full of "Toxic Masculinity" throughout 🤣🤣🤣 I miss those days.

ive heard a few people mention Mystery Science Theater including the legend that is JLongbone, is it a USA thing because i am from the UK and have never heard of it.

@@1977dclinton MST3K was shown on the Sci-Fi Channel here in the UK in the late 90s. They only broadcast the last 3 or 4 seasons in the UK. Finding every episode online is really easy to do, but avoid the Netflix reboot.

@@thelastmotel ok mate cheers for that, i will have to search it out. thanks again. And yeah pretty much anything Netflix touches isn't worth bothering with, with a very few minor exceptions, hence i do not have a subscription.

@@1977dclinton The first 11 seasons (KTMA aka season 0, and then season 1 through 10) are public domain kinda. There's this whole "circulate the tapes" thing. You can pirate them legally, if that makes sense. A lot are on YT as well.

@@thelastmotel thanks a lot pal, thats my task for the morn.

Same with raised by wolves carnivalé and Rome I wouldn't want a third season seeing how most shows shit the bed half way in

F-minism.

FILM, actually Westworld was a film.

Those last two seasons were unbearable. Naomi is not a compelling character, I don't care. Stop using soap opera plots to hide your budget.

I agree. I follow all these guys.

I satirically posted the S4 and 5 plot "leaks" on my channel (which I just totally made up) and libs freaked out about it haha. So easy to troll.

​@@hottakes9242 LoL

S2 is far better than 99%shows out there even breaking bad, the wire, maybe at the level of the boys s2. S3 was rushed due to covid so yeah . . That was bad . . .

I actually really liked season 2 overall, though it was noticeable they were running out of material. I hated season 3. HATED how they ended william's story after everything.. It's like they stopped midway, had a new woke writer saw that he raped the robot delores, and said no he is done were cutting this here. It was almost as bad as the game of thrones final season.

@@dasuberpanda If I point out the massive contradictions with Williams story in season 2 you will hate it.

@@randomhuman97 dude s2 is trash compared to those shows. If you want to have a debate about it I can break MIB season 2 entire story for you really quickly. BB and The Wire shit all over s2 of westworld. Boys s2 is horribly written also.

@@randomhuman97 lol better then the wire? Ok im curious for your case

Stranger things new season is good again. Season 3 was terrible, but I’ve enjoyed the new season even if I do fast forward some of the Winona Ryder side story

The decline already happened in season 2.

I satirically posted the S4 and 5 plot "leaks" on my channel (which I just totally made up) and libs freaked out about it haha. So easy to troll.

But if the story ends, how will I ever find out Aragorn's Tax policy or if he will continue to wage war on the Orcs (genocide) after The Great Evil has be conquered? I must know! And in no way will it devalue Tolkien's masterful tale!. . . . dot ellipses dot. .

The same thing happened to Hannibal season 1 which was good but season 2 went up it's own backside with all the psycho babble and imagery, soon lost interest.

Well Columbo is a fun show.

Well said. Season 1 of Dark is phenomenal, probably my favorite Netflix original creation, because it was character-driven, like a more traditional Krimi. When it went into pseudo high concepts it got pretentious and self indulgent.

totally agree, i watched 2 episodes of season 2 and shut it down.

I tend to be of the other mind. You can tell almost any story or use almost any idea... it's just that some of them require a lot more talent to pull off than others. Perhaps you would account for that as just adding more ideas instead of just adapting existing ones. One needs to only scroll through the comments here to see all kind of ideas how the idea of Westworld might have expanded. For example, what if other worlds had similar awakenings, but with very different outcomes due to their settings and culture? Would an awakened robot like the outer, real world or would it - like us - long for the simplicity of the fake world from which it came? What if a group of awakened robots started their own society... would they be prone to all the problems of historical human societies or have entirely new ones? Science fiction is rife with these kinds of ideas and it shouldn't (in theory) be too difficult to adapt some of them over. But the cynic in me suggests that the writers of Westworld didn't even want new ideas or new story. They wanted something entirely different. Something which is unfortunately not entertaining at all. Bait-and-switch is an all-too-common tactic for Hollywood activists these days.

Not watched Lost yet - do you recommend I start & watch all Seasons right to end (which everyone hated)?

@@5pointview717 yknow good question. Me personally, I’d still recommend it. If you can go in cold with no spoilers you will probably love the first 4 seasons at least. In hindsight, though, it was still solid to the end. The ending had bright spots. Compared to WestWorld, though, it’s not comparable. Westworld was A plus in season 1, maybe B minus in 2 and F thereafter. Lost never got below a B for me.’

Denial is the 1st step before acceptance. That s2 is awesome

Watch the first season only.

First season was great. Don't waste your time on the money grab seasons.

Yes, it really does. I envy you being able to make this choice, after enduing the next two, hoping that some measure of the first would return. Like everyone said, it doesn't.

Season 1 of Altered Carbon was decent, Season 2 lost it's way quite a bit imo.

Have you seen On Her Majesty's Secret Service

First season is great. Feels like the second is just a whole diff thing.

@@andy2172 👍

@@obiwon1237 no…it’s not available on Netflix UK

Absolutely. A wonderful surprise to find how much I've enjoyed it. Guilty pleasure... :)

Yeah, I thought season 2 and season 3 were boring slogs. Didn't care about season 4 at all, but a guy was watching it at work so I decided to join. I was very surprised. They pay off their set ups in a satisfying way. I'm glad I watched it and look forward to the end of it next week.

Yep, S4 St is brilliant