Trans member of BOS, immediately self-harms. What did Bethesda mean by this?

Fun fact: power armor has lights. You don't have to fumble around in the dark to shoot a filthy ghoul.

In Fallout 3, there is a quest where you try to appeal to people's humanity to allow ghouls to live in Tenpenny Tower, alongside humans. Many are open to the idea and want to be kind. If you succeed, leave, and return later, you'll find that every single person has been killed by the ghouls. What did Todd mean by this?

You don't know the geography? Here's a fun fact about the geography. Seeing as Lucy started out at the Santa Monica Peer and reaches as far as Shady Sands means she walked approximately THREE-HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILES! And that's as the crow flies, one way, by the way.

How can people claim to be fans of these games and not know that a) the Communists were Chinese not Russians and b) That the Prydwin appeared in Fallout 4, not New Vegas LOL

Maximus has the idiot savant trait and 10 luck

The funniest part of this is watching dudes who barely remember playing some of the Fallout games try to support the show with that knowledge.

How is Muldover alive, it's been 200 years..... Did she freeze her self or what?

You gotta love how Barb's reason for suggesting to nuke the world is that because the current world has factions there will always be war and war never changes, and then her solution is to have hundreds of different vaults compete for who gets to repopulate the earth because "the spirit of competition makes us so great"

"The Enclave is small in the games" Laughs in Frank Horrigan.

"Eat shit. Billions of flies can't be wrong."

The thing that non fallout fans don't realize is that there's Todd Howard Fallout, and there's Non Todd Howard Fallout. Todd Howard Fallout has VERY low consequences, spoon fed morals, and forced story decisions. It's aesthetically distinct, but it's safe, and controlled. Non Todd Howard Fallout is much more dynamic, quirky, awkward, messy, gritty, ridiculous and has a distinct world and story. You get legitimately difficult moral conundrums and dark revelations followed up with the kookiest nonsense you've ever seen. Rose's story in New Vegas was more morally nuanced than deciding to purge the railroad in FO4, and she's just one of many companions. Sussing out the morality of any one faction in New Vegas is incredibly hard. Even the Khans, who at first seem like little more than organized raiders, have significant moral justification and historic tragedies to contend with. All that to say, This show is Todd Howard Fallout.

Didnt Lucy get a full dose of Radioactive Raider Semen ? 😂😂😂

Fucking brilliant that were not an echo chamber and we CAN have the debates, without bust ups.

Ugh this is infuriating to watch without being able to chirp in because every single person here is either unable to refer to the games or is incorrectly referencing things and ignoring larger context

the "but that's what happens in the games" in regards to taking damage and the amount of plot armor is such a weird take, that is for gameplay reasons, not for story or lore reasons, i would not expect an elder scrolls series to show the protagonist putting one hand up saying "time out !" and eating 500 wheels of cheese just because that's what happens in the games, it's gameplay convenience so its easy to ignore, in a story trying to be serious however its just silly and hard to take seriously.

"Who calls them communist" The writers. The writers are calling them communist, and then the communist claims they are not communist, they're just the anti-capitalist.

This was the true “civil war” we all didn’t expect

I'm glad to finally see a debate between friends and you guys are still good after that you don't see that anymore

I don't believe Lance played New Vegas, at all. Maybe he meant 3? Ghouls aren't zombies.

Vault-Tec is not just capitalist, they are specifically corporatist

Did they mention how Moldaver survived 200+ years?

31:07 Thank you Mauler Disney isn't even part of the discussion anymore. Thank you for pushing past the old news. This show is mediocre and the panel shouldn't be defending something so weak.

“It’s like that in the game” has to be one of the most juvenile arguments I’ve ever heard.

"I played Fallout Las Vegas to death"...clearly.

The bars been set so low. I think alot of people are just starved for anything remotely fun

It’s refreshing to hear Mauler use the full force of argumentation that he’s capable of after he was so clearly pulling his punches with SWTheory.

I hate it when adaptations take abstract concept that work only in the game, literally. Like "health packs". I don't think that's how it should fly in a tv series.

For a breeding vault there seems to be a remarkable lack of children of all ages.

I think its great to see people disagree on if they liked or disliked the show, it really shows that people do think critically and arent just saying stuff thats going to be the most popular take. It also brings a great example of disagreeing and debating in a constructive way. Its how we figure out what makes something objectively good.

Tell me you don't understand Fallout without actually telling me you don't understand Fallout.

Mauler and Reaper are dead on with how stupid the writing and the plot holes are, that being said the show is overall enjoyable, but they really should clean up the show for the bad plot issues.

You're telling me that a satellite just HAPPENS to fall like that? NO! He orchestrated it! TODD!

I’m guessing china’s fault in the war was removed so they could sell this show in china..

There's a cut quest in Fallout 2 where it is demonstrated that Stimpaks will instantly heal injuries, its not just a Gameplay HP mechanic. The Chosen One is tasked to accompany a Tribal named Krom to meet a shady merchant who slashes one of his own guards across the face with a knife and then uses a Stimpak on him, which closes the wound in seconds.

Drinker fails to understand the absolute propaganda this show forces into down the audiences throat. This is nudge theory in action.

Actual, unedited critique? Allowing people to have differences of opinion? Other youtubers take note

I like how the cousin got roped into raising and being in a relationship with a pregnant woman.

So the cope out is that since it's based on a video game it's not supposed to have consistency and believability? I have a feeling the people who say that haven't played a video game in a long while, because we gamers expect those things just as much in the game's story told through cutscenes. And even if you completely dismiss the believability such as a turret gun completely missing every shot while the old man jogged past in a straight line, that's not how it happens in a game, you get decimated pretty fast.

The fridge thing is a mission in FO4; you save a little ghoul boy and reunite him with his parents. It’s bad though, because if you don’t play the games, you’d never know this and automatically think it’s an Indy callback.

Lucy starts in Santa Monica beach which is just about 8 miles away from the Observatory that Moldiver is in. In Episode 8 we get a sky view of the geography, they literally could have watched Lucy's adventure with binoculars.

The biggest headscratcher for me is Knight Titus' entire existence. He's an incompetent, impulsive coward who somehow occupies a slot that's tougher than being in the US Marines. He panics and gets merced by a mutant bear even though he's supposedly a combat veteran wearing armour that's shown to be able to punch and kick with the force of a cannonball. I get we're supposed to hate him, but it makes the Brotherhood look like huge morons for allowing him to get to such a high position.

Isn’t it funny how the guys that hate the show have very, very detailed knowledge of the show and the games. Meanwhile the guys that love the show because it “follows the games” don’t remember anything about the show or the games.

Most notable thing: THE THING OPENS WITH A LORE BREAK. Fallout 4 Establishes - that the bomb began to drop just around 9:30 AM EST You can see the clock in the living room when the game starts). - by 9:42 the Boston area was LEVELED and all remaining clocks read 9:42 when Nate/Nora get out of 111. The Fallout TV show opens with: - A Birthday Party that's in broad daylight and then the bombs drop - The Birthday Party was clearly in LA - The tv show seems to focus on is California with 2 exception, the introduction of The ghoul character & where the villain goes at the end. If you don't understand, LA is 3 hours behind Boston, meaning if it was 9:30/9:42 am in Boston, then it'd be 6:30/6:42 am in LA. In October especially around the week that the great war starts: Sun rise for LA doesn't get a full sunrise UNTIL approximately 7 am, until that point for about 50 minutes, it's " Nautical" twilight followed by "Civil" twilight for the other 30. which Nautical twilight like normal twilight or an overcast day has that feeling of "Kinda dark outside but not/Kinda Light outside but not" When the birds naturally start waking up and chirping though the sun isn't out. And civil twilight is that "picture prefect" moment from the movies where the hero stands proudly JUST as the sun crest. Meaning someone fucked up on that VERYYYY first scene in the show.

Walton didn’t spy on his wife over the dog, even though dogs are part of the family and his wife doesn’t care at all. It was the first thing to start making him question what Vault Tec was doing. Decisions being made and his wife acting funny keeping secrets. It doesn’t help he hates Bud and his wife has zero problem with the guy.

27:30 Gary thinks Fallout 76 is the 75th sequel to Fallout. 🤣👏

I don't think the doctor was in Philly yet at that point. Because the doctor meets up with Lucy before she gets to Philly so I'm pretty sure he was just wandering about

Im only 3 mins in, but lucy was written fuckin terribly. You dont get betrayed by the person you marry, half everyone you know killed, then proceed to trust everyone and be the same naive girl. She doesnt even change

Dooku voice “I’ve been looking forward to this” And a clip that’s 4 times the length of a normal one. They really wanted all the long in this one

The Buddy brain robot didn't say that the vault dwellers of 31 and 33 had Superior genetics, he said they were chosen because their genetics would best combine with his buddies

41:20 Gary liked the dog simply for being a dog and his wife loved it without any thoughts as to what could be improved. I can relate.

This is hilarious. Just how the Fallout fans fight over the games

I don't remember everybody "freaking out" when her water broke. There was surprise, but surprise is pretty normal.

Have to say it’s so nice that Mauler and drinker are going at it with different views on something. Makes for a refreshing change!

The unblown nuke that town is built around has a vault tech sticker on it. In f3 i think

8:36 What happened to the idea that things have to change for the medium? Film and video games are different. I thought we already understood this? What the hell Drinker? Saying “oh it’s trying to portray the absurdity of the game!” is not a good excuse for shitty writing or a shitty adaptation.

Fun fact. Lucy starts at Santa Monica pier in LA and finishes at Griffith Observatory in LA in the final episode. You know what's funny? It's 25km away and that is a 5 hour walk.

A fun detail about the fridge the brotherhood kid hides in is that there's a hole in the backside of it. so he would have not only been blasted but also radiated like mad.

It seems unlikely that Vault-Tec actually did drop the bomb despite Barb's suggestion at the meeting. She was a big shot at Vault-Tec and wanted to protect her husband and daughter Janey, so it wouldn't make sense to put them at risk by dropping the bomb while they're at a birthday party.

Man, I cannot unhear Reaper's accent, it sounds so much like Cuno from Disco Elysium.

There was a claim for 33 water chip failing too. Never to be discussed again

Usually Mauler is on top of things. Its weird to see him misquote and not catch certain events in the show especially when he watched it twice. Vault 33 isn’t “genetically perfect” that’s not even said in the show so I don’t know how they laughed at that part, they are docile and genetically compatible with the leaders. The shootouts they overtly show the ghoul doesn’t have tungsten rounds loaded when max shows up. They mention it again later and then they show him loading tungsten rounds for the 2nd shoot out. You can like or dislike anything but shit don’t complain about something incorrectly when it’s spoon fed to you. I feel like this is the exact thing they would complain about people missing in an efap.

I hate the fact that they just accept that ghouls just have super healing abilities. That has never been the case, like if you cut their throat they fucking bleed out, they aren't fucking deadpool. You get shot in the back twice I expect you to deal with it later not sit down eat a tato and not even use a stimpack

Maximus is basically the same character as Finn from the last jedi.

This was my favorite Drinker's Chasers clip because it was refreshing to hear a friendly debate instead of an echo chamber

A thought on why Moldaver went through 32 to get to Hank in 33. Where was it ever verified that was her plan from the beginning? She could have gone into 32 to take their Overseer only to find them dead, at which point after snooping around and finding out 33 and 32 were going to trade soon decided to wait and infiltrate. She may have known about the trades because of Rose and went around that time so if one of the Overseers accidentally got ended in the chaos they wouldn't need to wait long for another chance.

There was some amazing writing in the show. The duality of a man who gave up on his morals dragging a woman through the desert who has yet to have her morals tested. Over all impressive themes to each episode that are explored indirectly. Duality has always been something, I feel, fallout has been a main theme of the series. Literal comparisons of real life locations before and after the bombs, comparisons of the NCR share the wasteland and the Brotherhoods quest for homogeny.

He didn't spy on his wife because of the dog. He was spying because the rule that said "no dogs" came up out of nowhere, so he was concerned about what other new rules would suddenly appear. Sometimes I think some people aren't really watching the show and instead just looking for something to complain about.

Lance played "Fall out las vegas"

The comparison with the Arcane is brilliant. In the League of Legends characters respawn after death. Should we make characters respawn in the show too? It would represent the game alright.

Nah, the show was some real incompetence hidden beneath a pretty facade. Gary's talking out of his ass, but Mauler's right - the plot is absolutely horrible. The worldbuilding is, if anything, regressive when you take the games' lore into consideration, but if you don't, then it's just clunky as all hell.

Being less woke than Velma or Disney She-Hulk does not make it free of "The Message."

I never expected such a passionate debate between Drinker, MaulEr and co on Fallout, with the latter against and the former for.

A remark for the person who said, why the Ghoul does not shoots Maximus through the chest when they have their encounter in Folly. Well, in the last episode he uses special rounds, and in the second episode he uses normal bullets.

Lance has been more aggravating than the Drinker on that Open Bar. "I played New Vegas, I'm pretty sure the airship first appeared in that game." "My favourite adult cartoon is Big Mouth. It's cleverly written." Edit: I've relistened to the stream. Lance does not say it's cleverly written, but he does say "the writing is really good and it's definitely not woke." Time stamp: kzfaq.info3C34mgQ8CAc?si=oQbCyM-EbT_NXPHj&t=9201 Timestamp for the airship: kzfaq.info3C34mgQ8CAc?si=FXxH3LLGs_-Jgioq&t=4707

2 seasons, then it goes Mandalorian, and everyone enjoys their buyer's remorse.

My biggest problem with the show is it's an extremely political situation being written by people who don't understand how character motivations work. No one feels like they have real wants or needs, we just have "Vault-Tec evil" and "Muldiver misunderstood" on a chalkboard somewhere. It's blatant that they don't understand how even greed works. War profiteers don't make money off of war, they keep control and make their money off the looming THREAT of war. That it's always just around the corner, that you need this, that, or the other to "keep your family safe". If your entire market is dead, you're not going to make much money.

Lance: “It’s not meant to be like real life.” Later Lance: “It also happens in real life.” And on another note, Drinker’s credibility will suffer greatly from this take. I hope whatever he was paid is worth is.

I thought they did the brotherhood a disservice

58 minutes!? 🥴 this bouta be one hell of a debate

The problem with critical Drinker is that he doesn't understand the purpose of the show. The purpose is specifically to ruin the West Coast lore of the game so that Bethesda can reinvent the West Coast. That is it

My impression of maximus getting praised at the end is that the friend, who seemed to want out of the brotherhood, saw it as an opportunity to have an ally in a high place, hence why they told maximus "you did this" and started the cheer. He wasnt going to take credit but the friend made it happen

What a world we live in. People have been so starved of good shows that they praise Bethesda level writing. Todd did it again...

I respect Drinker's opinion, and I know a lot of other viewers were positive on this, but it really does seem like Fallout is getting away with stuff that totally gets called out on lesser shows.

That’s right, it doesn’t have to be like real life. It reminds me of a player choosing different roles on different play throughs.

Perhaps it's the fact that Fallout has been my favorite game series for about 22 years now, but I hate this more than Disney Star Wars.

Also, the Vaults were basically right underneath the Cathedral, meaning the Master would absolutely have occupied them during the events of Fallout 1.

For the record, Ghouls have never had Deadpool-esque regeneration. They made that up for this show.

They pay to have that dude brought there because she's off doing her other boss stuff and the storytellers wanted us to get to know the dude who was about to get his head chopped off

I love the fact that in vault tec were opportunist in the games who were doing things just in case well also planing messed up experiments if it does happen to straight up being somehow influential enough to straight up start the war.

To explain it easily, they just pulled a "the force awakens" on fallout and youre cheering because theres stormtroopers and X-wings.

“You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain”

Fallout has been contradicting its own lore since Fallout 2. Getting upset over lore nitpicks in a setting where everything is intentionally obscure is a really bad mindset to watch a tv show with.

Why couldn't the whole show be about Walton Goggins' character and his adventures?

I just wish Bethesda would stop calling everything they have their hands on “canon” when they clearly can’t double check their own lore. This isn’t Elder Scrolls, there’s no dragon breaks.

While listening to another video people go off about this show, I was reminded about how producers used to be very explicit about shows not being canon to the primary setting, in order to allow the writers to have their excesses without damaging the core worldbuilding. I was very surprised to hear Bethesda had done the exact opposite.

The Ghoul speced into max endurance and possibly the adamantium skeleton perks.

15:38 muldover pays someone to move the scientist to eliminate the risk of being found out. she's doing this in secret undercover from the brother hood because they are searching for tech. remember they got a message discovering the new tech. things like this are done in the game also, the player is consistently pitted in the middle of someone else's quest that they just happen to stumble upon at the right time. example, boon in new Vegas. bring me the person responsible for the death of a women and I'll cap them and give you my beret. he could have done all of that himself.

What I like about Mauler is that he very clearly compares films and television to everything he's ever seen in his entire life. None of this "It's better than some of the other crap we have to watch" nonsense.

Bethesda's version of Fallout has lobotomized the fandom and turned Fallout into Borderlands.