I couldn’t agree more with all the helpful information you provided, thank you so much! It pretty much sounds like we had the same experience. The drive cap really didn’t do a whole lot for me either. Plenty of sacrificial nipples and drive couplings are definitely the trick. You are absolutely correct the pipe should be tightened often otherwise it will wreck the threads. This style of driving a Sandpoint definitely saves you lots of energy and sore muscles, lol. Thanks again for sharing, I will pin this comment at the top of the comments

Where do you get the bit to fit into the "pipe pounder?" Thanks for the tips.

I also rented the Honda GPD - on a Rhino - and had the SAME "mushrooming" - freaked me out! Also sheared off the sacrificial pipe!! I was wrongly pulling down on the GPD - at an angle. So didn't work well - only got 8 inches driven down. hahaha. I got 3 feet using a manual 30 lb post driver - but wore out my arms. Today I tried more weight and just dropping it - 75 lbs. Didn't work too well but when I raised it higher - seemed to work. So now I'll try a makeshift tripod with a pulley to drop the weight. Still I'm tempted to rent the GPD again. NOW that I know you have the SAME experience!! So cool. Problem is I didn't get the cheaper four hour rental rate - the place I rented from was a long drive away. There is a closer place - NOT sure if they have the Honda 4 cycle engine GPD though. I'll call them on Monday. Probably will try the primitive tripod weight method first again. hahaha. I have serious hard pan - and the fact that the GPD wasn't doing much UNTIL I pulled on it - that kind of signals to me that it wasn't up to the job. It has 35 Joules. I'm trying to figure out how much force I generate by slamming down 30 lbs. hahaha. Must be a lot more Joules than 35 though.

No problem, you’re a great guy and I wish you all the success in the world. It was great to see you bring your family into your last video. Have a great week!

Most people don’t realize the shallow wells actually produce better water than deep wells. Your water must taste amazing thanks for stopping by and commenting.

Thank you so much for sharing this information! I always appreciate others that are willing to help me learn better techniques. I greatly appreciate the time you have taken to comment.

Interesting.. So it was 2" main outer pipe with a 1" or 1.5" pipe inside it, but not all the way to the bottom? What did he use to drive the 2" pipe down?

You are awesome my friend! I feel so blessed to have water.

Thank you very much Christie this is definitely going to be a game changer. I feel so blessed to have my own water source finally. Prayers definitely do get answered!!😉

Jason you are the man! Anytime my friend. Sorry I didn’t give you a shout out earlier

Thank you very much. I am definitely going to try to come up with ways to get water from the other well. I will keep you posted when progress is made. Stay safe

Thank you very much James. This will be a big burden off my shoulders. Have a great week

I am very grateful to have water it is definitely an answer to prayers. Thank you so much for being a great friend I appreciate all you do!

Thank you! We are so excited to finally have water.I am so grateful for your support, thank you for watching

Thank you very much Rob, we are very excited! That is one huge weight off my shoulders. Thank you so much for taking the time to comment. Have an awesome week

It’s great to have you with the channel! Thank you so much for watching

Thank you very much! It is a huge mile stone, I feel blessed to have it accomplished

Thank you very much, it’s greatly appreciated!

You’ve got that right! Thanks for your support brother, it’s greatly appreciated

Thank you so much for your support!!

We are definitely blessed! I’m not gonna give up on the water behind the cabin. I’ll keep you posted on any updates in case we were able to pump water with a deep well pump. Go team Wisconsin!

Thank you!

After the first try I was a little bit worried that maybe the water table was too deep. I really feel blessed to have water. Thank you so much my friend!

Thank you very much, I appreciate the feedback. Good luck with your well.

Thanks for watching!

This is awesome! We are so grateful to finally have our own water source. I am also grateful for all the words of encouragement you give! Have a great week

Thanks Johnny,I appreciate your continued support

I couldn’t do it without your support, thank you!

It sure did. Hopefully I figure something out on the other well.I sure would like to have water right next to the cabin

Thanks for watching

Thank you so much I appreciate your support!

Thank you!

The best advice I can give you is talk to your neighbors and study your local water depth charts. Good luck! Hopefully you hit water

It will be awesome to have that glass of cold water followed by a nice shower,lol. It’s always great to hear from you Ron! Thank you for all the support you give the channel.

I can’t wait. It sounds like we’re going to have a great time

We are definitely feeling blessed

@@karlsoffthegrid1378 looking to me like just about all the tuff stuff is done !! about ready to enjoy the fruits of your labor !!

No problem at all, I know you’re very busy. I absolutely love the work you are doing with your sawmill. Keep those videos coming they are 😎 awesome!

@@karlsoffthegrid1378 😁

You and I think a lot alike. I have been talking to a couple different companies that make deep well pumps. I am still going to pursue the well that is closest to the cabin in hopes of hitting water soon.At least I have water for now which takes a lot of pressure off of me. I will definitely keep you posted. Have an awesome week!

Handy man pump, works great for us. Alot of lift.

@@stevegraves2968 tried to find that Handyman pump but not sure what it looks like.

Thank you so much for watching. Good luck in your search for water.

Good morning Jason!

I guess even a blind squirrel gets a nut once in a while, lol. I’m just grateful to have my own water Source

It sure made light work of it. I am very grateful I was fortunate enough to get water this time. Hopefully the test comes back great. Have a great week!

I wish you the best, it is very fulfilling when you are able to do these projects by yourself. If you have any questions don’t be afraid to send me an email and I would be happy to answer any questions you have. You can get hold of me at Karlsoffthegrid@gmail.com Good luck! Stay blessed

I have a well that I am working on a little bit closer to the cabin. I will most likely need one of those deep well pumps.Thank you so much for sharing this information

Thank you very much Jason! You never know, maybe solar is an option for the future

Why not drop a measuring tape into the pipe? That's what I did. It always went all the way down to the end of the sand pipe (since I knew how much of pipe I had in the ground). Because of the dirt/ sand particles in the water, it's really easy to see on the tape where the water level is. It was also easy to hear when the tape hit the water. At least worked for me.

Thank you very much, it’s always great to hear from you!

Absolutely! Thanks for bringing that up and thanks for watching

That’s awesome news! It’s great when a plan comes together.

What pump are you using?

biggest manual post pounder I could find is 30 lbs. Only one store had it in the whole state. So hard to believe you found a 40 lb post pounder! hahaha

Thank you, great tip

It is so great to hear from you! I’ve been watching for your videos but I haven’t got any notifications in a while. I’m not sure how many GPM’s this well will produce but over the weekend I pumped as much water as I could and the well never went dry. It seems like the more I use the pump the more water I am starting to get out of it. I am not sure if the screen had dirt in it from when I was driving it but it is definitely getting better. It is so awesome to hear of all the progress that you are having on the Homestead. Keep up the good work it will definitely be worth it in the end.

Ace hardware store. Thank you so much for watching

I looked at water charts provided by the county in which my property resides. They aren’t always the most reliable, but they are a good starting point. Those water charts should be provided by your local DNR.

@@karlsoffthegrid1378 thank you! I’ll be doing one on my property soon and I wanted to give it the best shot possible. I’ll be looking that up.

I feel so blessed to finally have water. I could definitely feel the Sandpoint hitting rocks but luckily I got past them. The next time you are up at the cabin I’ll show you what I am dealing with.It is like a rock graveyard back there.

Thank you so much for this advice you were the only person to bring up the deep well hand pumps. I was about ready to give up on the first well. I’ve got their phone number off the Internet and I will definitely be giving them a call Monday. Even though I’m a plumber I am New to driving Sandpoints and admittedly I don’t know much about them.I greatly appreciate the advice.

@@karlsoffthegrid1378 i have been in the water well industry for over 30 years on the wholesale side. Any questions reach out.

Normally for residential you will want to stick with 1 1/4” pipe. It can’t be regular galvanized pipe and fittings it absolutely needs to be to be Drive pipe and drive couplings. Ace hardware store sells all the supplies that you’ll need. I’m not sure what brand they sell but that’s where I got my supplies from. Also, if you go deeper than 25 feet for water I heard you could try a deep well hand pump but you will need to verify that. I have heard of people driving sand points deeper than 25 feet and the back pressure from the earth causes the water to raise up to the 25 foot level. Welcome to the channel, thank you so much for subscribing, good luck!

Welcome to the channel it’s great to have you with us! You are absolutely correct it is easiest to start digging with a post hole digger first. It helps keep the pipe directed straight down. It’s not too hard to keep the pipe vertical when you already have a hole dug about 4 feet down. This was the first time I had ever used dowsing rods. They do a great job of telling you where water is but unfortunately it doesn’t tell you how far down it is. Before my old neighbor passed away he was able to locate water for just about anybody. Unfortunately he passed away before I started my search for water and I never got the opportunity to learn from him. Good luck in the search, I wish you the best

First respect for Karl and his ingenuity, but dowsing is just bs don't waste time and money. Usually practised by scammers but also people who have (by being lucky a couple of times) convinced themselves that they can find water throw that method and if you don't find water where they tell you to dig they just say "well it must be deeper then", and just by studying a bit of geology you will now that going deep enough there is water almost everywhere were humans live on earth.

I would try lowering a string with a weight on the end of it down into the pipe. See if it comes back wet. If it comes back dry you may have to drive it a little bit more. I usually check the water level every 3 feet that I drive the pipe. You don’t want to go past the water. I hope this helps.

I have driven as deep as 45 feet using this set up. I guess it all depends on the soil composition in your area.Good luck, I hope you hit water

Thank you Kevin. If you install a check valve the piping will always hold water and freeze. So what I did instead is I put a ball valve underneath the pitcher pump and when I’m not using the water I turn off the valve and it creates a siphon that holds the water in the pipe like a checkvalve. It has the same benefits as a check valve only it is easy to winterize. Thank you so much for watching!

@@karlsoffthegrid1378 That's clever.

We have a lot of glacial deposits in this area of the country. The first 4 feet of our soil was made up of rocks and Clay, once I got past that it was mostly sand. I had to do a bit of research checking the DNR water table charts and then I made an educated guess on where to look for water. Good luck 🍀

Great question. I should’ve addressed this a little bit more in the video. I actually wrecked three of the sacrificial pieces of pipe that I used. It is very important to constantly be tightening the pipe as you drive it. I noticed the more I tightened the pipe the less damage was done to it. I only damaged one drive coupling but I feel it was worth the added expense because of all the time it saved. I think the more that I use this method of driving pipe the more I will be aware of how not damaging the pipe. I only used 5 foot sections of pipe because of the weight of the jackhammer. I’m not sure how longer sections of pipe would work.Have a great week!

@@karlsoffthegrid1378 I was guessing about the pressures exerted on the pipe from the jack hammer. In my mind I was thinking about how an earthquake works and seismic waves dicipate slowly in strength in distance traveled. Then I thought about an opera singer being able to shatter a wine glass with the correct frequency. Hypothesis: Ductility: If a jack hammer hits the pipe at just the right speed that metal will bend repeatedly and break first at any preweakened or damaged points first (Loosely tightened threaded areas) and then, given more time, create more weak points starting closer to the jack and equally at the leading pointed tip. Of course depending upon the hardness of the substrate it is penetrating it may happen faster or slower. Just guessing and thinking out loud here. Is the pipe for a well of this kind made of stronger materials given the method of forcefully driving it into the ground? Or is it basic pipe you buy at a box store? I know the point appears to be heavy duty looking.

@@bwcok7947 The point, pipe, and drive Couplings are all rated for shock. In short they are all supposed to be tougher than regular galvanized piping. Even with it being rated tougher I still experienced damage on the sacrificial nipples (small pieces of pipe)and drive coupling. I like the analogy that you used with the earthquake. You were spot on, when I kept everything tight there was less damage or no damage

@@karlsoffthegrid1378 awesome! Great to hear back from you on this. I look forward to attempting all this in the future and I appreciate all of your help. I hope to hit the water table within 10' or less if I do not have another alternative after watching what you have gone thru! Have a great week coming up!

And it couldn’t of come at a better time! I really needed this victory. Have an awesome week!

I have picked up my drive couplings from our local ace hardware store. Otherwise you can pick them up from Amazon but you have to specify that you are looking for a drive a couplings. Good luck my friend

Thank you for taking the time to comment, it’s greatly appreciated. The difference in water is probably due to the difference in soil composition. It took quite a while for me to pump out the Sandy loam that was caught in my screens. Now that I have been using it for two years, it produces quite a bit more water now that the screens are clean. I am positive that I don’t have any leaky joints, because if I did, my pipe would not hold siphon when I shut off the ball valve before the pump. Thanks again, I truly appreciate your support.

You have to use galvanized drive pipe, you cannot use regular galvanized piping. Even with drive pipe make sure you tighten it as hard as you can because it will crush if you don’t.Good luck I hope you hit water!

I fabricated my own prototype and then had a fab shop make one for me. Everything I tried welding together kept shearing from the force of the jackhammer.

Can you share the parts needed to fabricate drill head, thanks

I put a riser clamp around the pipe and then raised it out of the ground with a farmers jack. It’s a slow process but it can be done. Good luck

The sacrificial coupling worked perfect. One thing I didn’t stress in the video, but is very important, constantly keep tightening the pipe. Take your time and everything should work out perfect. Thank you so much for watching.

@@karlsoffthegrid1378 Thanks

That’s a great idea but I won’t be prepared to do that until I can put it inside a heated building. It gets way too cold up here

@@karlsoffthegrid1378 my regular artesian well has a pit valve 5ft below the surface to get below the frost line. This is in northern Maine. Wonder if it would be possible to do the same.

That is an awesome idea It would work perfect in the summer months!! thank you so much for sharing

I only had to pull the well pipe out of the ground once. It’s a little bit of a pain but you can save if a few bucks doing so. You can pull it with a 1 1/4” stack clamp and a farmers jack.

It sounds like you might have got the wrong type of Sandpoint for your environment. You may need one with a better screen set up. I would consult with plumbers in your area. Sorry I can’t help

Hey, I have the same problem. Did you find a solution to this problem?

Unfortunately, it’s still in the ground. The next time I rent a mini excavator, I’ll try to pull it out.

Thanks for watching!!

Are you sure that you’re underneath the table? I have seen areas where the water level can vary in depth from spot to spot. The first well I drove is 40 feet deep and I just started to hit water, I put another well in about 20 yards away and I hit water at about 12 feet. I guess you have two options.... I would try to drive your point about 3 feet deeper or pull it back 3 feet shallower. That should pretty much determine where you’re at I would guess. Good luck

@@karlsoffthegrid1378 that's good advice. I'm from the motorcycle industry and have little experience in this field. This particular well has water at 14 feet. Set the top of the baffle at about 18 feet. It was good until this excessive drought hit. Had to run it 4 feet deeper and the jet pump works good again. My other well is 50 feet away, 18 feet deep and draws nothing. Can't get it to go deeper because I hit something hard. Two tanks of gas in my post driver and it still won't push aside or break whatever it hit.

It’s a special bit I created that goes around the 1 1/4”drive pipe. I am working on getting a patent on it, I will update people when it happens

@@karlsoffthegrid1378 send me yours in the meantime . Got my word I will send it back when I’m done.

Most likely

I am not aware that they make one for drive pipe. That would have been a great idea

No I don’t use a check valve because it would freeze in the winter time. Instead I use a ball valve underneath the pump, I turn it off when I am done pumping water and it holds water in the pipe just like a check valve. The advantage is when it starts to get cold I just open up the ball valve and the water drains down so I don’t have to worry about freezing. Great question! Thanks for watching

@@karlsoffthegrid1378 Oh! I see! Ok that makes very good sense. Thank you very much. I will incorporate that. Great video BTW!

I left links to other channels in the video description if you would like to check them out. Thank you so much for watching

I was lucky enough to hit water at about 15 feet. According to all the water table charts that the county has I wasn’t supposed to hit water until about 20 to 25 feet.I really got lucky on this one

@@karlsoffthegrid1378 our water table is around 6 to 7 ft deep the only problem we have is that hard clay

@@TBrownRecords I feel your pain, I went through some of that as well, Mixed with occasional rock. Good luck my friend

Sorry I can’t tell you that information, I just used two pipe wrenches and a jackhammer to get water. I don’t have any more sophisticated equipment than that. I can tell you what I did do is I went and studied the DNR water table Maps for the county I’m in. The maps are pretty accurate and can give you a pretty good idea on where you’re going to hit water and what will give you an ample supply. Most states have this information online and it is free.If you don’t want to spend thousands of dollars drilling a well this will generally help you in your search of doing a budget standpoint well. I wish you the best if you need any help don’t hesitate to ask, my email is in my channel description I would be glad to help. Thank you so much for watching !

Thank you! I am somewhat new to KZfaq and technology. I appreciate your help

Jason is a cool dude!

Karl!!! Thanks for that shout out brother!

Chad is great ppl too!

Pump in the water is a good tip!

You got us the water you promised!

We wish you the best in your search for a water. I would love to learn how to jet pump! Good luck my friend

@@karlsoffthegrid1378 We hit water at 15 feet and drove the point to 23 feet. Good ice cold water with enough flow for a garden hose. The jet pump is really straight forward and I use it to fill a 100 gallon tank that feeds a 12 volt pump. It was all rewarded with a good long shower.

@@ingcampthree4523 That is awesome news! Congratulations on a job well done!!!

Thank you very much!!