*notices who wrote the comment* Ruh-roh.

Best crossover. Ever!

I got on e for you. 😉 How do you fit twelve, 8 foot tall dudes in power armor in a compartment the size of a FIAT Punto? _by dropping them from low orbit at supersonic speed_ XD

we already sorta do have drop pods, re-entry vehicle/capsule for astronauts. (also the martian entry capsules for the rovers and...) there’s also that mountain russian gel ball thing that does a pretty decent job of absorbing kinetic energy and keeping people alive...although deaths do still occur.

Feet first into hell, trooper.

@@draconisthewyvern3664 fair, but no one shoots at those as they are basically escape pods.

The Astartes barely qualify as members of our species. They're 7-8 feet tall 500+ pound slabs of muscle with bones harder than steel and redundant organs and all that jazz.

A long time ago I did my own analysis of Planetary Invasions and really, that is something that deserves it's own video by our Dockmaster himself. Regardless I looked at initial planetary landings and yeah, the problem with big ships is big losses. A one man drop pod, you have thousands of targets to shoot at and each hit is one casualty, vs having a thousand troops in one ship an one big-ole target for ground stations to aim at. If you want to get back to planetary invasions. Invading a developed world, like EARTH.. today, 21st century. No magical tech. Just EARTH with her nations and standing armies. Invading earth.. is a DAUNTING task, presuming the goal is to capture in-tact. If you don't care about infrastructure condition and general planetary condition the nature of warfare changes and you just throw rocks at the planet until everything living on it is dead. But to "capture" a developed world with a population in the range above 8 BILLION... how many soldiers does the world have? How many would become partisans from that percentage of non-standing military 8 billion. So now you've got maybe a billion enemy combatants and probably another 2-3 BILLION active partisans and another 3-4 BILLION who would support the partisans. You are going to take a "TINY" 5 mile long battleship or troop ship to take that world? Good lucky, you can maybe cart 10K soldiers in your tin-cans to be opposed by BILLIONS of enemies. Sure, you've got the high ground and thus open battle would be suicide but the unconventional warfare side of things will see you bogged down for decades, even if you are an advanced alien species. Take developed planets is a truly enormous task, likely one involving hundreds if not THOUSANDS of ships and BILLIONS of combat soldiers + billions more support personnel. That's a big task. You are pretty much going to have to MOVE an entire planetary population to take over another planetary population. Keeping it? If the locals don't like you? Short of throwing rocks at it till nothing moves and then inheriting an earth reduced to MARS quality of life.. yeah. Not something done simply. Imagine landing ships the size of cities to cart down tens of millions of soldiers, and expecting to lose some of those ships. Yeah. How long do you think a civilization could keep that kind of warfare with what attrition rate numbers would be. The idea of planetary invasion goes from sci-fi to utter fantasy pretty fast. Even if you interstellar alien types are going to be taking humans with slug-throwers because bombs blow up alien cars as well as they do human ones and when you've got billions of pissed off people and you want them as slaves or for production or you like green hills and trees and don't want to burn the place to ash.. that's a tall order.

Feet first into hell

@@chexwarior the benefit of casket like drop pods. If the retros fail to fire then it becomes a self burying coffin. Reliability becomes less bothersome nat that point.

@@grayscribe1342 rocks I already covered. Insurgency negates the value of rocks in a precision attack method.. and rocks really are a giant hammer, WMD and not a precision munition. The destructive force calculations and actual ground effect are based on size, angle, material, and velocity. Get it wrong and you go from a nice controlled cratering of a single SAC airbase to glassing several hundreds of square miles with a plasma bath. Say the difference between Arizona crater vs the bolide that glassed the bronze age near east for about a thousand square miles without touching down. Air burst vs ground impact. In general meteors have a minimum size to reach the surface create explosive effects. So you have a minimum rock blast radius, which is about EQ to 1 MT thermonuclear weapons.. that's a Big hammer. Plus targeted bombardment will still put a lot of dust in the atmo leading to vast cold shifts in climate.. not to mention the secondary fires started by the rocks. In general war, at a certain scale becomes untenable. Interstellar conflict including invading developed worlds is one of them. Political or subterfuge is needed. Why fight, when you can come with a cure-all that also goes covax on the world and sterilize them. Let them run to you and sign their own doom. Don't even need to offer a cure-all, just buy off the politicians of a world and they will do all the heavy lifting for you. No invasion, no mess. Heck you might even get the surviving population to hug you when you come and off the politicians and claim you are saving then from the big bad men who have been killing and enslaving them. Political means are vastly more impactful than open war as warfare grows in scope and scale. Or you can just reduce an entire world to uninhabitable ash..

So ITS Trojan horse 🤔🤔🤔🤔

Robert Heinlein apparently put a lot more thought into the orbital insertion of troops than he did his political shoehorning with the history and moral philosophy classes.

@@hunterferguson5675 You just described half of all scifi shows as well though.

@@hunterferguson5675 Heinlein didn't shoehorn his politics in......he made moral philosophy system that could be expressed algebraically. Mathematically justifying every decision. And it fit like a unicorn.

He's also possibly the only person who realised that a lot of soldiers packed tightly together is a target so juicy it causes involuntary orgasms to the enemy's gunnery crews. The Mobile Infantry seems to believe that their personal space extends beyond the horizon!

Especially since it was first published in 1959, and is considered a young adult novel.

I think that's what Heinlein was going for..he was trained as a paratrooper..

@@warhorse03826 I thought he was a radio comms officer in the Navy.

@@jakeaurod I think he was Navy.

@@jakeaurod right, be he had paratrooper training in the naval academy, which he never used. there were plans to have "zero landings" on some islands early in the war..100% paratroopers..but someone realized how dumb that was after everyone got the training and they dropped it.

when you do not have the beaming to the surface technology at least.... because you can literally beam in to the combat zone once transporters are thing

Ha!

Yep. And every hit hurts that much more because you're losing multiple troops instead of one per successful hit by the enemy.

drop pods also arent the only thing in the air going down with the drop pods, they are shot out in waves alongside heavy artillery that moves just quickly enough that the Suicide Burn of the Drop Pods to achieve optimal slamdown pulls the pod just out of the overpressure tolerance radius.

Which could make a defender consider using nuclear airbursts against incoming waves. It could be an EMP problem for the defenders if they have a strong planetary magnetic field, but if the field is weak or non-existent and they have an atmosphere, then hundreds of cubic miles of saturation pods becomes dead-men dropping.

@@jakeaurod a shuttle is not nuclear bomb proof anyway.

@@jakeaurod we're going to drop hundreds of men at supersonic speeds at the ground in unshielded coffins. And hope the enemy won't detente a nuclear weapon over there position???. Um did you actually think that one threw. Most universe's that have drop pods have either really small nuclear weapons. Or consider there use barbaric. But by the same token. How of these same universe's use ion, microwave, and emp weapons like there on a clearance sale. The pods are hardened against EMP

Where's it from?

@@caav56 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/grGAjLKXv9bJl5c.html

That book is awesome.

It also deploys several parachutes, which get torn away shortly after deployment while altering the speed of the pod enough that the chaff and decoys are closer to the enemy AA than the pod.

I don't know, a hard counter to this tactic would be to just saturate those lower altitudes with AA shrapnel.

@@chrisowens4550 True, but a counter to that would be orbital barbardment of the LZ first.

@@travisbishop782 "Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure." Of course, in the raid on the Skinnies, they didn't want to hit them too hard because they wanted to convince them to switch sides. Objectives drive mission requirements.

At the same time, using drop pods implies that a: you have no forces on the ground, b: the enemy's anti-air/anti-ballistic defenses are very much active and c: you don't have any other way to address b without ground assault. This means that your deployed forces won't have any meaningful support, reinforcements, heavy weaponry or even air cover...

@@MoraFermi if you're smart enough, you can figure out how to make the pods so the troops can reconfigure the mass of the pod into weapons. That way even splats become potentially useful

@@MoraFermi airborne infantry started doing that during WWII

@@mowgli2071 military grade nanotechnology assemblers can change all sorts of things about warfare if you can figure out how to make them work. Mostly drop troops like airborne, will not have time to stay where they land if your enemy knows where that is expect inbound artillery. Those that survive landing need to move as quickly as possible, this is why this tactic works best with something like Heinlien's Marauder suits, WH40K space Marine power armor, and HALOs Spartan armor, are ok but not as good mobility wise. Extraction of drop troops if their mission does not involve securing a beach head and not removing a lot of atmospheric defenses is always going to be high risk as well. Once a beach head is made by the drop troops and a section of sky is clear of significant AA then the shuttle's can land heavy equipment and more men.

@@jlokison that model always assumes that the dropship is following. What I'm talking about takes chaos into account. If the mass of your drop pod can be an asset after the drop, this can be useful in situations where the dropships are unexpectedly either delayed or destroyed. This way if the drop ships come that's great. If they are rendered unavailable, that's not as good but there's still something available to be used

Let's go kill some BUGS!!!!!!

@@sethgilcrist8088 I'm from Buenos Aires and i say KILL 'EM ALL!

I wholeheartedly agree with this

Pretty much my thinking and also along the lines of what Heinlein described in Starship Troopers - small detachments dropped quickly in the heart of enemy territory to cause as much havoc as rapidly as possible before leaving. Fast, tactical strikes with fewer troops rather than a Stalin-esque wall of flesh. Another aspect is that this allows for a much shorter logistical tail. Yes, the gear per individual is going to be more expensive but there is significantly less of it that you need to ship. Boots on the ground are thought to win wars but they casn do none of that without a supply chain. Keeping this as compact as possible means that you're less likely to have it interrupted.

@@MrGrimsmith don’t forget that you can also drop extra pods with more supplies post drop or even during the drop giving the enemy more targets meaning they’re less likely to shoot at and take out the pods with actual people aboard

we already sorta do have drop pods, re-entry vehicle/capsule for astronauts. (also the martian entry capsules for the rovers and...) there’s also that mountain russian gel ball thing that does a pretty decent job of absorbing kinetic energy and keeping people alive...although deaths do still occur.

You could also just send down tanks or whatever instead of infantry, or even missile launchers instead of anything intended for sustained operations. Or all of these at the same time, just to make your enemy's life harder. The one thing that you _probably_ wouldn't want to do is throw aircraft in at the same time, since it's kinda pointless. Either you can justify sending in aircraft, in which case you won't need drop pods unless you're running short on more proper landing craft; or you can justify sending in drop pods, in which case there's probably no point in sending in reusable aerial assets until some time later.

Lithobraking, Yay!

Lol. Yeah, gentle for a creature that can take a pounding, and if they can't, they get stronger.

@@JainZar1 The fact there's a specific name for it makes me extremely uncomfortable.

@@helloeverybodization It's just crashing with style.

@@helloeverybodization Nerds playing Kerbal Space Program coined that term, it stems from Lithos, the Greek word for Stone.

Ha! You saying this just gave me the mental image of the ork version. Which i picture several smaller orks holding on to the back of a larger ork, and using him as a heat shield! Then when they get closer to the ground, they use jetpacks to get off the charred skeleton of the bigger one.

That was a great game though

Wow I forgot about that game. Talk about a blast from the past.

Man I can’t believe people remember section 8

... and land feet first on a planetary surface without breaking every bone in your lower body, you mean? :P

@@sigmacademy its pretty clear the soldiers in section 8 are incredibly cyberneticly enhanced. Might just be full on cyborgs with no organic body parts left. IE batou from GITS/matoko, who literaly jumped off a skyscraper onto a metal walking tank and proceded to shoot said tank. They also have nano bots. So pretty much any ammount of damage can be repaired.

Whoa, I haven't thought of that film in years. Thanks for the reference.

Yeah, I remember that movie (think it was the only FF movie I did see) and was very intrigued by that gas/gel. If you could manufacture something that did that it would make drops that much easier. If you could adjust the dispersal time it could work pretty well as an anti-personel weapon also...🤔

Non-newtonian gas is interesting.

Also, don't they pump the occupant up with a cocktail of various drugs to reduce the effects of the drop on the human body?

@@Creeperboom60 I don't think that had to do with the drop pods, If you are talking about the TF2 scene where the pilot sticks you with a needle. Interestingly, the Forever War novel had ships guided by AI that would pull maneuvers at incredible G levels, starting at 25g in the early parts, and ending at 25,000g. The methods they used to keep the human passengers alive involved chambers full of a gel like fluid that would extend the impulse of the G-forces on the body to turn a 50g maneuver into only 5g's felt. Later on they would surgically alter human soldiers to be pumped full of a more refined fluid that would cushion the body's soft tissues even further, allowing thousands of G's to be withstood in conjunction with some of the first Sci-fi mentions of inertial compensation. Great book, it is incredibly overlooked compared to some other Sci-fi classics.

@@MUJUNKY No, the pod literally injects Cooper with various drugs, the pod AI did a checklist on him after landing.

If I remember correctly, the sansufentanyl was because it got knocked off course and crashed in a way it wasn't intended to

hmm I don't remember that part. I remember dude dying from overdosing on that juice that makes them able to take extreme G's though.

@@TheNitroG1 it's the big splat of the first guy trying to go through the ring

@@guitarfan01 His ship entered the ring at nearly 42km/s and decelerated to 0.6km/s in 5 seconds. Which essentially meant that he went from being a living human being to a smear on the forard bulkhead in about 1/10th of the time it takes you to blink. So at least it was fast.

@@TheNitroG1 season 3, episode 7. Delta-V

Any physics equation with delta-(factor) tends to be lethal, Delta V, Delta P, the list goes on

because that completely ignores what happens to your internal organs when you go from hundreds of miles per hour to stopped in less than a second...this is always the stupid thing about "power armor" protecting from a high fall, if you slam into the inside of it at 100 mph, your still dead. even if the power armor is skin tight, it's not going to stop your heart from exploding when it slams into your rib cage at 100mph. nor will your rib cage survive the crushing force of the rest of your body at that speed. There is literally no part of the human body able to take that. human pudding.

@@TheNitroG1 i think you misunderstand. Space marines are built to walk away from stuff like that with or without power armor

@@TheNitroG1 Exactly, that hang up is where I see Halo coming out on top of most sci-fi power armor tech. The Mjolnir Power Armor compensates for high speed impacts by 1. over pressurizing the wearer's body with a denser mix of gasses in the same way a diver does to prevent their bodies from liquifying. 2. The "gel layer" of the armor inflates to exert pressure on every part of the wearer's body to keep them together and to provide some external cushioning from an impact. 3. The armor "locks" it's joints in place to prevent the wearer's limbs from over extending and breaking, it's why Master Chief get's stuck in place in the beginning of Halo 3. In one of the Halo novels, Master Chief survives a very long fall and gets surrounded by enemies, and he has to weigh the risk of decompressing his armor and air supply and get nitrogen bubbles and "the bends" that might kill him to get up faster and stop the enemies from killing him first. He doesn't get up because it's too dangerous, and gets saved by other Spartans instead. Mjolnir still can't survive a fall from orbit undamaged without assistance, such as a re-entry module, drop pod or in Halo 3's case a massive slab of ship plating, but it still makes more sense than other sci-fi troopers just being "built different". Spartans are built different too, with greater muscle mass, bone density, hardened nerves and ceramic-titanium coated bones, but that doesn't mean they get to just ignore the effects of hard deceleration.

@@comet.x you can’t stop physics my guy, no matter how well your built, nobody is walking away from a planetfall. Your innards will still rupture like a water balloon. Maybe from half the height of orbit, sure. But not full orbital drop.

@@TheNitroG1 40k drop pods use powerful rockets just before impact to slow down enough so the super human cargo can survive. Their bones are infused with super strong materials and their rib cage is one solid armored mass. Between their suits life support systems and their ability to repair and heal from even major organ damage in minutes, I think they'll be just fine :)

Do not forget drop cocoons for mechs, drop pods for mechs.

Or the way the Imperium does it with their Titans, they get dropped from orbit inside their respective repair bays/bunkers. They essentially drop a Fortification, that has a Titan inside.

@@JainZar1 TIL

you still have to worry about the acceleration on your passengers though. doesn't do a whole lot of good if you have to start to slow down a few hundred feet off the ground where you are the easiest target. You can't just let them smash into the ground because...why even bother with the pod at that point. the whole point of the pod is to protect the passengers and by letting it slam into the ground you killed all of them.

battletech has drop cocoons for 'mechs.

The HEVs and SOEOIVs were different from the escape craft on UNSC ships. Those were specifically designed to get ODSTs to the ground against human controlled worlds during the insurrection. They just tended to work pretty well against the Covenant depending upon how well dug in the Covenant forces were, so they hung around.

HALO allcaps is High Altitude, Low Opening

@@hellacoorinna9995 ah, sorry. Too hard to tell when someone is talking about HALO/HAHO jumps or the Halo games sometimes.

@@hellacoorinna9995 And drop pods fit the definition of HALO, even if the "opening" is the use of retro-thrust, or aero gel, or magic, or a high-speed compound parachute system.

@@hokutoulrik7345 Your, right, the escape pod thing wasn't exactly a drop pod, but crash landing pod is kind of close. I mean, they are soposed to come In on a diagonal, rather than straight down.

It depends on what you attack. If the AAA is good enough to shoot drop-pods in orbit then the ships delivering them would similarly be under fire. A drop-pod insertion would necessarily be done over an area where less AAA is available and these insertions would be designed in shutting down AAA and opening up the way for larger craft to be landed and an invasion to begin. I would also like to add that 99% of all orbital defenses against invasions are done wrong. A good defense would have an in-depth defense, that means that at no point can the enemy destroy the space-based defenses without being engaged by the planetary defenses (missile installations, lasers, blasters, Ion cannons or whatever). If a 1+km space ship can carry enough energy to propel itself into orbit then a ground-based powerplant the size of our current one's would be able to power shields and anti-orbital weapons that make orbital bombardment a moot point. You would also never, ever end up in a situation where the enemy has cleared out everything in space and then start an invasion safely from orbit. Any planetary invasion would be a large scale operation where you have to deal with space-assets, orbital defenses and planetary defenses simultaneously the moment you start the engagement. This forces you to pick an orbital point where the least planetary installations can take a shot at you and then land troops that will have to take out the planetary defenses ASAP while their space-ships above them try to deal with the rest of the orbital and space-based defenses.

@@TheDemigans Very good points.

@@TheDemigans There are a few small problems with your analysis. 1. A massive ship is significantly better suited to absorb the damage any ground-based anti-space weaponry can dish out than a shuttle or a drop pod. 2. A planet has, of course the option to build even bigger weaponry than you can use on ships, but while the ships can use some ways to simply remove the heat generated (and before somebody argues about that, let's say the ship has a reservoir of sacrificial heat sinks, and when one is full, it gets thrown out, problem solved) the ground based weaponry has to be much more careful where it puts the waste heat or it will destroy it's own environment (a very good book series, Antares cycle from Michael McCollum places planetary defense centers under the ice caps, and they are worried that a strong attack will melt them). 3. The planet has the annoying tendency to be predictable. That means if you can't go in close with your ships, you capture a handy asteroid and throw it at the PDC. In wars where these kinds of weapons are used you tend to ignore the collateral damage to your opponent. Or, even more interesting, accelerate, from far out the system) as fast as you can, if possible to a single or even double digit percentage of c, space a few 100k blocks of steel with a guidance system and thrusters, and then brake down again.

individual drop pods make it much more difficult for the enemy to inflict significant casualties before they reach the ground. drop ships however are much bigger and slower moving targets. drop pods actually make a whole lot of sense if the concept is designed properly.

@@alfredkugler3043 counter to your first point, ships are also a lot slower moving and larger targets, also aircraft have a tough time being armored enough to take any significant damage especially if they are not designed to use the atmosphere to assist their flight. (thrusters instead of wings means you don't get much weight allowance.) so it seems much more effective to have lots of small, expendable, fast moving targets instead of giant slow moving expensive ones. to the second point explosives is not the only way to launch something out of the atmosphere to attack something in space. Lasers for instance, hell there is a a real system being developed right now that is intending to throw things into orbit by spinning them at extremely high speeds and releasing at the precise right time. but lets say it generates a lot of heat...not like they can't build heat sinks that are hundreds of feet in the air or find a way to focus the heat from the previous shot into the next shot. I also think you vastly underestimate the amount of heat you would have to generate to melt the polar ice caps...it's kind of ridiculous I promise you we could launch space shuttles from there for months and not make a dent. throwing an astriod was the strategy used in starship troopers against the earth, it generally wasn't very effective, only having succeeded one time out of hundreds of attempts because the humans had an advanced space stations that could track these objects and destroy them before they even got close. They also did this in the series "the expanse" but the only reason it worked was because they managed to cloak the asteroid until it was too late to stop it. Any species capable of space warfare is going to have technology to detect and track that sort of thing. look at air combat and radar, underwater combat and sonar, ground combat and sat tracking. if you are going to be effective in any arena of combat you have to be able to know when attacks are coming as soon as possible. Look at how many asteroids we track now and we haven't even colonized our own moon yet.

even with computer targeting ODST aren't bad, intercepting something moving really fast, is really hard, and really expensive, against insurrectionists, they'd have the option to use their AA against the ODST, or save them for drop ships but they'd be unlikely to be able to do both, worst case, they expose the AA guns/missile battery and then those guns get hit by a missile best case, those guns are too busy dealing with missiles and the ODST get through, take them out and green light pelican drops.

In 40k it is a common practice to sent a lot of droppods containing explosives or automatic weaponry to surprise the defenders. Also at least in halo they can send small vehicels or more equiptment in them. They are really just paratroppers. You send them in to either clear a specific objectiv (killing x) or to make first strikes against an enemy and weaken the defences or occupy their attention. And for that you don't necessary need any form of support. If you can live with the casualitys.

In Halo 2, there were ammo/weapon drop pods…so just drop extra supplies in extra pods.

I imagine they would be used together. The seekers would be priority target to the defenders and thus pull fire away from the drop pods. If the seekers kill some defenses, great. If not, well you now have troops on the ground to do what the seekers can't. Also, who says you can't drop combat vehicles and supplies the same way you drop troops?

"by definition" not in the slightest. drop pods are used any time you need to quickly get something from ORBIT to the GROUND! that is the entire point of them. you seem to be stuck on "if you are using drop pods it's a last resort" when that is not at all how they would be used. they are most closely related to paratroopers which if you notice were deployed often, behind enemy lines, without heavy weaponry, without major supplies, without support, without air cover...because they are not the main military force, they are special operations. but if you were using drop pods to get your entire army to the battlefield obviously you would drop 100s of thousands at the same time and with proper equipment and supplies to setup a forward base...otherwise why send them at all? a drop pod passenger is going to be far better protected and armed because they have a vehicle. who would design a drop pod but not make it capable of carrying anything but basic weapons...that's stupid. HELL they could make it so the drop pod is equipped with weaponry so heavy it can't even be moved...it's literally moronic the way you are approaching this as though it is a last resort sending soldiers in their underwear. it completely ignores logic and military tactics. If you want to strawman drop pods into being a fundamentally bad idea I guess I can't stop you...but you literally are pretending like there are rules for technology that doesn't exist...it's real dumb.

Also of note- there's no particular reason why you can't deploy e.g. _tanks_ with drop pods, it's really just an issue of building a big enough pod. Further, for anyone that actually uses drop pods, you can be pretty certain that every drop is going to include a bunch of air-deployed missile launchers. Basically _everything_ that can be shoved into the drop is going to go within perhaps a minute of each other, simply because that increases the saturation of that target's defenses, maximizing the success rate of the drop.

... I love this idea. Nnnh I so want to use it but I don't want to steal it and become an ass XD

@@Nalothisal If it's a useful idea to your story, use it. Tell a better story.

Think Halo Wars had similiar concept with their bases

It's all your fault.

@@SacredCowShipyards it can't be my fault, you don't do this for me... Can we blame the minions instead? Or better yet, the trolls who think it's worth their time to leave a "nasty-gram"!

This is a very good point! I could see Drop Pods being rather useful in a setting like Dune with their speed-dependent shields, or even Star Wars, since they use different shields for energy and matter.

Rogue One also had X-wings flying below shields. At any rate, I think the thing with the AT-ATs was that they were slabs of armor on legs, so you have your transports fly them to just over the horizon, then they stand up and walk the rest of the way. This allows you to use non-repulsor vehicles & tech for the entire operation, thereby avoiding the effects of any anti-repulsor defenses that the enemy might have deployed. It also explains the height- every foot of height reduces the distance they have to travel before they can shoot at their target(s).

@@absalomdraconis In Rogue One the X-Wings flew through the opened gate in the Planetary Shield - Once they were through that gate of course they were flying under the shield....The point was to get them through the gate in the first place. - Star Wars: A New Hope and Empire never made any mention of "anti-repulsor defenses" - That's pure Fan theory with no evidence in the movies - I don't recall them mentioning Anti-Repulsor defenses in any of the 1990s/early 2000s {I stopped reading after Vector Prime} EU Novels either but even if they had been in those novels the X-Wing series was set 3-5 years after Empire anyway and Heir to the Empire was set 6 years after Empire, 5 after Jedi.....There's no reason to believe the Empire would have expected the Rebels to have Anti-Repulsor technology in Empire without evidence of such beforehand...This was still before the Rebel Cells had united {Rogue One retconned the Rebellion to being a fully united effort prior to A New Hope}. The AT-ATs were specifically sent in outside the Shield to walk in BECAUSE the shield was there stopping bombardment from orbit BUT if the Shield was touching the ground rather than just providing an umbrella effect then the only way the AT-ATs could have walked through it would have been for it to be based on stopping anything moving faster than say 30 miles an hour - If it was an umbrella effect then TIEs which obviously move faster than 30 miles an hour would also be able to be dropped outside it and fly under it which would cause a major plot hole {they didn't give either explanation in the film so no it's not a plot hole, just something for fans to theorise about}. TIEs would have destroyed the rebel speeders with ease, flying rings around them and TIE Bombers could have destroyed the base with ease too and would have got there far faster than the AT-AT Walkers which probably had a max speed of about 50 miles an hour....It certainly took them long enough not just to get through the shield but to get into range to shoot the shield generators.

@@franohmsford7548 My pet theory. The walkers are able to get through a shield because they are grounded, not because of speed. I seem to recall that is mentioned in one of the Legends books , but can't recall for certain. Other possibility, TIEs could have gotten under the shield, but if the interior volume was small enough, it would constrict their possible movement and make avoiding AA difficult. And the Rebels had X-wings ready to counter TIEs if that did happen. And X-wings( in old canon) are superior in atmospheric flight to TIEs, and definitely to the TIE Bombers. But the whole thing is kind of moot, because the way shields work in Star Wars is never really explained properly, and most descriptions are contradictory to others.

@@MandoWookie It's not about just being grounded vs just speed - It's just being grounded vs being grounded AND slow enough to get through. That's my point - If grounded was all that was needed then TIEs can fly low to the ground. The Rebel X-Wings were being used to fly guard duty alongside the fleeing transport ships - Luke's was left on the ground because Luke was in a speeded and he needed his X-Wing there to transfer to to get off planet himself. The Imperials would have seen the Rebel ships fleeing guarded by X-Wings with time to send TIEs down if that had been a possibility....The Empire didn't bother sending TIEs to stop the fleeing rebel transports so those TIEs were available. The Imperials knew the Rebels had been forewarned and were already fleeing so not trying to get the shields down as quickly as possible would have been yet another error on the Empire's part - Again this is evidence towards the idea that the Shield must have covered low enough to the ground that TIEs couldn't fly under it. TIE Fighters are 29ft high - AT-ATs are 50ft high - That's a good 20 ft of clearance if the AT-ATs were able to go UNDER the shield rather than through it. BUT WHY were the AT-ATs able to go through the Shield if TIEs weren't - Well the answer to that has to be speed - TIEs can't fly slow enough to pass through the shield whilst AT-ATs being walkers can easily slow down to 10, 5 or even 1 mph to pass through. Remember that Lucas was inspired partly by Dune and Dune's shields are based on Speed - Specifically why Dune only uses hand to hand fighting.

@@franohmsford7548 I will buy that. When it comes to the X-wings though, the escorts I always assumed were to fend off TIEs while the ground based Ion Cannon cleared the road. The reason for only 2 at a time would be to hold some back to counter air strikes, with the ion cannon doing the heavy lifting. Edit to add: The TIEs likely could go slow enough, they can hover and maneuver to land after all, so speed can't be the sole reason.

Quadrilogy...

Helldivers hellpods solve this problem. The hellpod buries itself completely leaving only its rear end out of the ground where there is an armored hatch. The helldiver then crawls out of the pod from that hatch

Well, the trick then is making the "stuff" large enough to do anything.

Do not forgot early in the OYW in the UC how the Principality of Zeon used massive drop pods that held about 3 MS or various other vehicles. Then to add, the MS could actually be released in midair from those same pods.

The Gundam 00 one uses the GN particles that gundams uses for propulsion to protect them from reentry

to get troops on the ground before enemy ground forces that would be too close to friendly units to target by orbital strikes can get to the freshly cleared LZ before your own guys get there

The role that airborne pro formed in theory. In practice…..I can’t think of a single combat effective jump. America never performed one, & in each case were they tried people died without even holding the ground they fell onto.

that liquid thing sounds like it would do almost nothing to mitigate the damage. if it turns into a solid than it's no different than just smashing into the ground with no protection at all. it's the sudden deceleration that kills people not being crushed or something. if you go from several hundred miles an hour to stopped in less than a second...all your vital organs are going to slam into each other at several hundred miles an hour simply form inertia...also known as making people pudding. as far as logistics though...I don't get the problem, it's like dropping smart bombs that don't explode. they are all going to end up relatively close to each other and it's up to the commanders to get the troops assembled. unless you are talking about building them...in that case you are assuming quite a bit. you can't say how difficult it would be to build something that is a fantasy to begin with... 40 years ago nobody could imagine we would all be able to have our own personal super computers (compared to their technology) in our pockets that connect us to the entire world. So it's invalid to claim that building drop pods would be prohibitively expensive or difficult. that's just now how mass production works. Building them in the first place means that they have already solved that problem as well so it's entirely moot.

The best sci fi sidestep I've seen to what acceleration and deceleration can do to human viscera is Haldeman's Forever War. Troopers are modified with a port that allows for their body cavities to be filled with something to that makes splatting less likely to happen while the lay in cushioned pods. This is all happening on a ship in deep space that is on autopilot evading enemy space drones. There is still a pretty gruesome effect of all this to one of the characters of the story. It's been a while since I read the book, so some details may not be exact. It really doesn't take a lot of force to scramble up a human being.

@@ericepperson8409 my point was that inside the drop pod there would be a fluid of honey-like viscosity that also allowed for breathing. That when impact with a solid surface of a planet or moon would act as the shock absorber while the user was totally fine ready to flip the hatch and deploy, regroup, establish F.O.B, establish main base, wage war. Except for those rare few whom had an allergy to it that they weren't aware of.

@@xyreniaofcthrayn1195 the physics still don’t work unless you do something to harden and support the entire internal organ structure of the occupant. Do you know how much force it takes to squish a liver? You can find out yourself by buying a a bag of chicken livers at the nearest grocery store. Breathing that liquid would at best help your lungs retain their shape for a fraction of a second longer before they exploded like a balloon filled with jello when they landed on your pelvis. The human body is not a single fully supported unit. It’s mostly a loose connection of tissues that are largely softer than the skeleton and sinew that manages to barely hold it altogether

the problem with lasers is in an atmosphere, you lose a lot of energy TO the atmosphere. best way to stop an orbital infantry assault would be for the lasers to be also in orbit. welcome to Reagan's Star Wars...

@@warhorse03826 True. I suppose that's arguably the problem with every weapon in atmosphere, especially against spacecraft. Probably just comes down to how advanced each piece of tech is, and whether the drop pod still needs a parachute. It would also be heavily weather dependent, which means you could actually have a fun sort of counterplay where the attacker uses some kind of smoke bomb type thing to prevent the lasers from working well. Your comment has given me ideas, and I thank you for it.

@@RorikH well, here's an idea for you...tunneling electron guns. ionize the air before you fire the laser. it cuts back the atmospheric resistance by about half. it also looks really cool (in the lab anyway, that's the only place I've seen it done) it's like a lightning flash followed by a faint flash of whatever color the laser is. it turns the ionized air into a sort of conductive tube.

boy that assumes a lot...1 that you know where the enemy anti air is 2. that you are capable of destroying all of it from space 3. that a slow moving large vehicle with lots of soldiers in it is somehow less risky than 100s of thousands of individual fast moving small targets. You miss one soldier with a rocket launcher...well there goes 3rd platoon. 4. that along with the drop they would not be dropping any equipment or supplies which would be idiotic to deploy an army without equipment. people are basing these assumptions on paratroopers but they are different in that they are a small force doing special operations. if you are dropping a whole army to a planet you are going to bomb the shit out of probably a 100 square mile area to land in, then drop everything including equipment as quickly as possible. Probably while also sending down close air support to protect them while they establish a forward base. the concept of a drop pod is great, it's the technology required to make it survivable that is a little far fetched. but if the science of the universe says they solved that problem well then what is your problem with it?

@@TheNitroG1 I basically outlined our strategy during Gulf War 1. Spend months blasting them from above and then sending in the troops but instead of the ships being in water they’re in space. Its a systematic approach that to a planetary invasion.

That does not sound. ...... Like a chapter codex authored method. We would like you location so we send the nearest Inquisitor for chapter inspection. Sencerly yours The Death Korps of Krieg

@@sethgilcrist8088 I appreciate your concern, but it actually happened in a WH40K novel. It was at the battle of Calth, in the Ultramar sector (Horus Heresy series)

@@andyb1653 we the Death Korps of Krieg recant our request and would like to know if you have any heretic problems we may help solve in the God Emperor glorious name.

So what exactly happened?? I'm going to assume it was an ultramarine dreadnought because of the location. It just feel off the battle barge?? Was the transport damaged? Details please share.

@@sethgilcrist8088 Well, in a nutshell, chaos cultists in possession of a cargo ship ram said ship at relativistic speeds into Calth's orbital dockyard ring. The Dreaddy in question was sitting dormant in a shipping container at the dockyard, and subsequently fell to the planet's surface. It survived (because of course it did) and an Ultramarines Captain later opens the box and the Dread wakes up. They go on to kick ass and take names.

I knew there was some method they were leaving out in W40K's Exterminatus optional arsenal? XD

Well, let's face it, if we start thinking too much about the logisitics of Titanfall, there are many, many issues, the cost of a replacement robot evey 5 min being the first one. The games were fun enough to ignore that for me though.

If I recall, they used the kind of drop pods that deploy early and let the cargo fend for itself, so it could be that the squishy-less versions rode the drop pods, braked hard as hell, and then just dropped to the ground.

@@amahashadow True. I just embrace the fun when I’m playing, but when you step back, it doesn’t really make sense.

@@SacredCowShipyards I don’t remember any drop pods from the campaign of Titanfall 2. To be fair, though, the only Titanfall we actively rode to the surface is relatively small, so maybe drop pods weren’t needed.

Planetairy shields.

@@robertharris6092 Assuming it's possible to protect something as vast as a whole world, planetary shields stop drop pods and troop transports anyway.

The astartes drop pods are fueled by faith and rage

@@austinmorris3766 and that’s all we need to know.

It was that or "let the bodies hit the floor".

Check the second definition of the second word.

@@SacredCowShipyards oh, i'm aware that the definiton of "to damp" has been added to the dictionary as the secondary definition of "to dampen". I just passionately disagree with it.

Don't blame me. I just download your linguistic files and go from there.

@@SacredCowShipyards lol, fair enough. I can tell you from experience that "from the files" is the worst way to learn a human language. I had the "pleasure" of being assigned Farsi by Uncle Sam...

Welp those germans put up barbed wire and metal blockades I guess Normandy is theirs permanently now. wait...what are you even talking about drop pods aren't used in star trek...they transport or use shuttles...they don't need a beacon unless there is something causing signal interference. Fun Fact: the reason transporters were created for star trek was because showing a ship landing on a planet was WAAAY out of budget initially.

@@TheNitroG1 i'm talking about drop pods as regards star trek because... it was mentioned in the video?

I can also see why some of the drop pod soldiers might feel kinda iffy about future missions, as well? :P

Jenkinsverse is hilarious and some of the writers are great at thinking through all the ways we would casually break almost everything we touched as a species

It's less the bones and more the organs tearing themselves out of position.

@@HelghastStalker Bro, I'm not trying to sound smart, especially not with the haklo lore. Besides, if you understood what I was saying, I'm in no way sugesting that the suits work like that, in fact, I'm kind of aware that they don't really work like that and could use some improvements, and that the master cheid basically survived anyway. SO I don't know what your point is. Halo three is cheif reenters and lives. Your statement if vague. Usually they have re netre gear, but aperently it can be survived. I also understand my mods aren't used. Loojk, I was starting with halo lore, and modifying them. I don't know what your trying to say, but if you make a comment of sounding smart or whatever, and someone is not really talkiing about doing spartand stuff in real life, it's kind of a mute point... the lore. WHy you say something about heat management. ANd you do I will say something along the lines that we have materials that can transfer heat, and we have cooling systems that can dump heat out of a rocket nozel (no need for a nozle, so modfying a sheild by adding something called a capacitor that stores sheild energy so that you can have a sheild come on at full powe, but stay off while it's charging to trade heat to suit before the heat up point where metals suddenly start to be bendable or start metling is my point. Also, titanium rockets that sweat and have holes in them is a thing. Please, tell me what lore I need to look up when talking about real life and correct me. And don't really bother with the halo lore besides interesting me, since it doens't make your argument win since im starting with halo and making it work outside halo.

@@SacredCowShipyards I agree. BUt then again, if you impliment what a woodpecker does into a suite...

The Expanse, guy traveling at orbital velocities hits a energy membrane that brings his ship to a velocity of 0 in about 1 second. The pilot did not survive the velocity change. And he was broadcasting live when it happened.