@@montyi8 not in Poland :)

​@@Wisnia_Well the Poles have all gone to England to squat on street corners

@@cometmoon4485 or to defend poor British people during the II WW. Just like 303 Squadron and thanks to that, you still have streets.

Which is why Dune '24 hits where Dune '84 misses.

@@Wisnia_poles are useless :)

you should hear him in his 2019 film called ‘the king’! he gives another bone chilling speech there and it’s actually what made denis sure he’d make a great paul!

At first I thought it was somebody else's voice they were using. But damn was I surprised upon realising that it is own voice. Way different from his normal tone

I think he's meant to be using 'The Voice' as well a bit, so they'll have beefed it out in post

@@chance1774 That's why I got a bit of a chuckle out of people after Part 1 saying, "Well, he did a good job at that whole 'callow youth' thing, but I'm still not convinced that he could transform into a charismatic military leader." Sad to say that I haven't seen The King yet, though I'd like to, but I've heard he got very good reviews for it, and if there was a dictionary entry for "charismatic military leader," Henry V is a good bet for the picture next to it.

I watched part of Wonka before I had to take it back to the library, and he also has a very good singing voice. "Usul, give us a song!" 😆

You missed the point

@@romankotas448 no he didn't. Dune 2024 communicates how people are willing to risk their lives in the name of an idol - showcasing how said idols are great at mob control & instilling a sense of "cause". the viewer can hear Chalamet's speech, and feel, "Damn, if I were Fremen, I CERTAINLY would join the Mahdi's army". Charisma is important for any tyrant.

@@romankotas448 I see the point... Blah blah warning about religion...blah blah Paul isn't a hero. Yeah I know, still would die in a Space Jihad tho.

@@vond5829 ok then your just a boring fuck without much imagination to speak of

@@romankotas448 nooooooo paul is a heckin false prophet you cant just wanna die in the jihad for the lisan al gaib

Happy he wasn’t gay in this like he was in Wonka

@@crashtv5145he was gay in wonka? I’ve never seen it lol

@@thanksdad9514 no just acted gay

​@@crashtv5145what 😂

@@crashtv5145 A character named "Willy Wonka" behaving flamboyantly?? What is the world coming to??????

You know if it's possible to get people all across the world in 1984 to watch the Denis Villeneuve's adaptations of Dune Part One & Two and Dune Messiah in special one-off theatres (fitted with the current IMAX projection tech and Dolby Atmos audio standard), they would probably be having a very similar violent reaction as French audiences in the past did when they first saw the Igor Stravinsky's debut of his then-radical ballet and orchestral work The Rite of Spring.

​@@footlicker6585when are elitists like you going to learn that movie taste is subjective, and that a common opinion does not make it a wrong one. Who cares man, if people like a movie let them like the movie.

@@footlicker6585 More like your opinion you can keep it on your own, nobody's forcing you.

Thanx Mr. Footlicker. Right back at ya...and your mama.

​@@footlicker6585nostalgia blindness, first one sounded like a high school play in comparison

Yep. 84 version it's like they're simply cheering for a cool guy, while 24 they're praising a messiah.

@@Rauruatreides Nicely said. Saw it last night on IMAX. My god, it was a majestic cinema experience

Ikr...when we were watching the movie at the cinema, sighs of despair could be heard, like oh no, he has turned to the dark side.

@@anitagorse9204 And those feelings were perfectly channeled by Chani who kept hoping Paul wouldn't fall for that prophecy crap. Oh well, the known universe is doomed now. I have a suspicion the third movie, and it seems like there will be one now, will open with exposition telling us how 60 billion people have been killed because of the Fremen's holy war.

@@VinayakPande53 Yep, that's why I'm rooting for Chani now; everybody else has gone insane in their lust for power and revenge. Poor, poor Chani... Jessica, Gurney, Stilgar de facto turning into villans, willing to slaughter billions of people with no remorse. The third movie is already confirmed, but it will take several years to actually come to the theatres.

It's only pseudo-religious as it's still veru much political in its core

Times have changed and with them, interpretation of the old stories...

Both can be true

@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849religion has always been deeply even pathologically political. For a long time it had a huge effect on swaying government policy decisions.

@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 religion is always about control, thats why people created "god", so that they can use the concept as a means of control over people

Yes and no. Remember: Paul now has perfect prescience - he can see not just the genetic memory (e.g. the past) of all of his ancestors, but he can also now see the future. Rather, he can see "all possible futures," and knows what possible path(s) to take to achieve the best possible outcome at any given time. Essentially, it becomes effectively impossible for him to fail (at least, for now). While not named yet, this "best possible future" is called The Golden Path. This also means that while some of Paul's followers may (or, more probably, will) die, their deaths are not in vain, but are rather part of the most-optimum solution for The Golden Path.

@@bigmike-if only I can could look that much ahead when it comes to trading stocks 😂

​@@KLK01pl,kyu

@@KLK01a golden path indeed

Bullshit. Imagine if Villenueve Dune came out first and Lynch's Dune came out later, everyone would say Lynch's Dune is utter shit.

Yeah... goes well since it shows its his Harkonnen blood taking over now.

That is cinema. Show and not tell. Even with sound scape there so much a director can tell without so much exposition

I hadn’t noticed!! Thank you

⁠​⁠@@souryadas5027 I wouldn’t say it’s his Harkonnen blood taking over. More that Paul is heading down the pathway of war and oppression of the known universe in a similar fashion to the Harkonnens on Arrakis. But each of our interpretations is valid as the movie doesn’t explicitly tell us these things, which is what makes it so damn good!

@@ggroombr True, in this universe "Harkonnen blood taking over" means something totally different

Yup, this is my opinion too

The new movies are what the book feels like

84 version - was ok. Not dark enough, no humour, strayed too far from the books whilst trying to convey everything in the books. 00 version- probably truest to the books, but let’s be blunt, almost cheesy and low budget, but it is watchable if you love the book. 24 version…. Despite the changes and lack of explanation - it feels like what Herbert tried to do - and does it perfectly. I can live with the tweaks. There is no question, Villeneuves vision is by far the best. Although, I do lament that the spacing guild are absent.

@@briandickie7264 I think if villeneuve tried explaining the spacing guild to newbies trying to get into the lore and just casuals they'd either feel it's too much "yapping" and would get bored or the movie would be more than 2 hours cause he'd have to explain every little detail which ultimately goes back over explaining and lose the watchers attention. Majority of people don't know what dune is or about so they have to leave out some things to focus on others so the movie goer can have a great time on a world wide bases.

Thing is... he IS special. Though in the second movie they don't really remind viewers. He has the training of the best warriors in the universe. He has Bene Gesserit training, which itself is a superpower. And he was trained as a Mentat by one of the best Mentats in the universe, which is not even mentioned in the movies, and is itself another superpower. And let's not forget he can see thousands of years into the past and the future! This is what I love about Dune! The prophecy was manufactured, but it was also real in a way. It was more a promise than a prophecy

@@RafaMunteanThis!! I find myself believing in the prophecy, since the powers Paul has, and the promises he will keep like up with it?

@@RafaMuntean Not like a promise. The prophecy was manufactured by the Bene Gesserit in attempt to take the power of Arrakis and usurp the fremen, but the right person at the right time broke all their plans, used all their preparations and have led the fremen out the miserable life.

@@pontus1420 It was manufactured, but the Bene Gesserit we're actively working to produce the Kwizatz Paddlewack...

@@RafaMuntean to usurp the fremen and their spice. And the Kwizatz Haderach they've produced not only abandoned them, but joined the fremen and used their manufactured plan in his and fremen benefit

Chekobsa 👍

They were manipulayed from the beginning. Paul merely fulfilled the prophecy which was prepared for him. The kwizatz haderach and lisan al gaib are two different things. The lisan al giab is the prophecy prepared for the lisan al gaib to take over arrakis easily. The kwizatz haderach is the intended result of the bene gesserits breeding program which would make a very powerful human. Paul IS the kwiztaz haderach and he BECOMES the lisan al gaib. In the book paul mentions that at some point the jihad becomes inevitable and theres nothing he can do to stop it. I think the movie gets that across through pulls sudden shift from fear of the prophecy to fully committing to it to the point where it shocks jessica. The jihad is still his fault tho because he couldve just lived among the fremen but he insisted on getting revenge on the harkonnens and the best way he could do that is become the fremen leader. He forsaw the disaster this would cause but by then it was already too late. Thats my interpretation at least.

Even the first book didn't convey the message as clearly, which made Frank Herbert to write Dune Messiah, to explain that you really shouldn't cheer for Paul.

There are tons of differences between the book and Villeneuve's movies. But I feel he was incredibly faithful to the tone and tale of Dune, over being nailed down on the details.

Addaam reshi a-zaanta!

Lisan Al-Ghaib!

Original felt like Paul is a Mary sue

​@@samhunt6300they literally have all the same plot points, successes, and failures

Tim's Paul is also bred and born to rule, but he had to earn it bc his grandpa took it away from him.

@@larapaulyn1488 that literally happens in the 1984 movie as well

​@@samhunt6300 when he literally is trained from birth to be the perfect leader it does come off like Mary sue ngl Paul's teachers include The Mentat master of assassin Thufir Hawat Duncan Idaho arguably the best swordsman the galaxy has ever known And Gurney Hallec veteran warrior poet

No joke! In Dune Messiah, Paul literally praises himself on out doing Hilter by orders of magnitude in human death toll--Hitler's 6MM to Paul's 62B 😮

I thought he was the Lisan al gaib while i watched the movie

the "oH mY gOd" in the thopter scene always gets me

Careful you're gonna anger the nostalgia blinded ones

It always was.

The 1984 version IS a parody, Paul was a hero there

​​@larapaulyn1488 "hE's DeAd!!!!" francesca annis was quite beautiful and did a decent job but rebecca ferguson just blew her out of the water (in both looks and performance)

Yea 🎉

Paul being deranged or "out of control" is basically denying the whole movie. he couldnt be more in control of everything.

Worm piss is a hell of a drug

Don't forget they make Baron so disgusting

@@radithramadhan8488 The baron is supposed to be disgusting

@@marcosrecio4062but not comically disgusting. Because 84 baron hd no sense of danger coming off him. Just looked like a man child with acne

And don't forget the movie stalling every time we hear those voice overs.

@@radithramadhan8488nah that’s how he was in the book but less silly than in that version

Paul isnt a villain or hero. He is what you would call an anti hero. Atleast thats what frank perceived him as in the books.

It’s actually mainly because of writing, delivery and that it’s in a different language.

It seems you missed the second layer tho: he does that because he has seen many futures and this is more or less the only way for him and the Fremen to survive at this point.

I don’t think Paul is in love with himself or his mythos. He saw all possible futures and this was the only one that would save humanity from extinction. It’s the first step on the Golden Path that his son will complete.

​@@darksteelmenace595Exactly. It's more complex than what people are thinking, he's not a conventional hero or villain, he's something inbetween that.

You speak softly to a hall of thousands of people and it isn’t getting past the 3rd row.

I fully agree, but I didn't feel an impression of Power in the original back when I watched it, it just felt like a speech, the new one felt like an actual cry to arms to the souls of everyone in the room

Timothée’s voice is something special too how it gets so deep when he yells whereas most people’s gets high when they yell

Nah, first one didnt made me feel anything but the second one made my blood boil. So much passion and power in his speech

You don't make people willing to die in a holy war by speaking softly and in a measured way.

Noone has to defend Lynch lol

Youre full of it. I'm certain your eyes are brown. You didn't want watch ANY of his interviews. Look them up rn. He was INCREDIBLY hurt w the movie he produced. He wanted so much more for the movie, but he couldn't do it... cuz it was never HIS film. Go on. Watch the interviews. It's been 40 years now. That movie hurts him to this day. "If you can't make the movie the way you want. Don't make the movie at all" his words.

But i love how house of atreides portrayal in 2024 dune works

No, you can tell when they use the Voice in the new movies, it's unworldly.

He’s doing something to project his voice, but it’s not THE voice.

The Voice sounds very demonic in the new movies, if he used it you would know immediately.

I think they just edited his voice to make it powerful.

I disagree w the replies here. In the book, Jessica remarks how he only slightly accentuates his speech through the Voice. I think when he says “..to green paradise” and “long live the fighters”, Villeneuve was likely intentional with the slight distort we hear. It was probably the slight use of the Voice being depicted.

Well, there was no guarantee messiah would’ve been greenlit. That said, I’m sure they have a plan to fix this.

I don’t agree but I will say Kyle’s version of Paul was very impressive

Copium

@@blank7764 Not really, Frank Herbert is on record praising Kyle M performance and talking about how much of a fan he was of the books that impressed Herbert. Copium? You can't deny reality either that the cast of Dune 1984 isn't stacked with some of the greatest actors and Oscar winning set designers and costume creators ever. Many of the characters in the new Dune were utterly less memorable performance compared to the 1984 adaption. Sure it wasn't perfect though. I can only assume you're a zoomer who has no idea who those actors are, but Dune 1984 has the greatest actors of its generation and time period.

I'm sorry, but there is no way that you can say the new movie is somehow more epic in scope.

​@@derek96720it is though

I saw a clip where the director of the old movie expressing regret on how bad the movie turned out to be. He didn't like what he made.

​@@ArcherMVMasteryup. David lynch regret it so much. Too many factor made him can't bring The Dune that he wanted to make in screen, and the final result had made him so sad

Dennis took 6 hours to tell a quarter of the book, with mostly plain visuals (large empty rooms, barely any colors other than brown or grey) and chopping a bunch of characters that went nowhere. At least 84' got to tell most of the story and had more interesting visuals.

I bet you think yelling=acting?

@@marcosrecio4062he meant acting =acting because damn the 84 was acted so badly that I hope it was just the standard acceptable way of acting back then. I mean in this video alone 84 says “dune.arrakis.desert planet” no emotion no nuance. Even the long live the fighters was just straight faced delivery but also overacted like what…

@@marcosrecio4062 if you watch Timothee's performance and get only yelling, you have failed to recognize a tremendous performance. The whole physicality of the man changes after taking the water of life. Nothing said or done to tell us that, just his raw change in vocal tones and body language.

@@dipu94321 the same way can be use d for the 84 version,just because he's not yelling doesn't mean is wooden or bad acting.

@@marcosrecio4062 It isn't. Anyone who is saying the 84 version has bad acting, isn't really familiar with science fiction's B grade stature back then , or the more physical and melodramatic acting of the late 70s and early 80s. It seems poor acting in hindsight, but it was good-ish for its time. Vivian Leigh as Scarlet O Hara looks extremely melodramatic and overacted now, but it's also a product of its time

I love how they captured the sheer size of the Fremen society and particularly the council in part 2

That was not my intention 😐 Copyright boundaries made me shorten the edit…

I think you meant ‚defining‘.

@@Aine197 I did, my phone not so much

With those costumes?? Yikes.

how old are you ?

​@@elisabetracingWhy do you feel so offended by this that you have to resort to low level ad hominems? Are you that insecure?

I know that Usul on its own means “Base of the pillar,” but adding the “Pillar of” makes the name sound better. I understand though lol

It’s a Bible reference

Her problem is that Paul repeatedly told her that he didn't believe in the prophecy and that it's made up by the bene gesserit to control the people. As you can see he's using the prophecies to control the fremen and become their ruler. Granted she'll eventually follow him but just imagine the love of your life brain washing your friends and family after telling you they wouldn't, would you be upset?

@@aarenlacerna2694 But shouldn't her assumption of WHY he's using the prophecy be that he must have realized this is the best way for the Fremen to get their freedom? It's not reasonable to think that he all of a sudden became a power-hungry warlord who simply wants to "control the fremen and be their ruler".

@@abstractdaddy1384 Remember Paul JUST betrayed everything he said to her, Chani's reaction is a reasonable response. It's like if your spouse went behind your back and fucked a rich person for billions of dollars and came back to you with the money, your trust in that person would be shattered and you'd probably be pissed off even if the outcome benefits you. Also, Paul literally takes control of the Fremen and becomes their ruler in this scene by saying he's their messiah, even when he told Chani multiple times that he wouldn't do it that because the prophecies are fake. How you gonna assume the person has your best interests at heart when they go behind your back and betray everything they said they wouldn't do.

​@@abstractdaddy1384The why doesn't matter. As she said. The prophecy regardless of the intention behind it's use would enslave the Fremen to a religious dogma. Which it does by the end. And now the Fremen will never truly be free. Chani can see that. This is the point the movie makes. And this is the point that Frank Herbert makes in his books too. That Paul's manipulation of the Fremen was not justified. Even for the cause he was going for.

not start a holy war? lol

which is which

Yea, the 84 version is a porn parody of a comparison. I liked it when I first watched it, now I almost hate it.

He was partially successful, in that for the most part the Muslims avoided depicting him. A few images exist, like medieval Persian miniatures, largely showing Muhammad with his face veiled. Even more rare are those which show his face completely; such is the strength of the prohibition. Having said that, some Muslims have found ways to circumvent this prohibition. The most notable example is the Ottoman Turkish ḥilya, in which a written description (often in beautiful calligraphy) of Muhammad’s appearance is framed on walls as decorations. Leave it to humans to know how to sneak around things…

Ya cuz that totally worked. Its not like islam is the most fanatical religion in modern history. Second only to Catholicism in total history (which also gets criticized by dune imo).

​@@zydarking and it's useless since only happened hundreds of years after prophet Muhammad's death. At this age no one can says specifically how his face is. A depicted picture is just a useless attempt with no proof

Not really sure how that worked out, I've been in a Muslim country where people would curse at God himself but never at the prophet.

@@zulhilmi5787 I'd say it was over a thousand years after his lifetime. But yes, it is useless but also shows the lengths people will go to. The visual depiction was/is prohibited, but there is no prohibition on the written depiction. If the intent was to prevent Muslims from venerating Muhammad in a manner which could lead to Shirk, then this arguably is a halfway step. What would be the difference between someone placing a ḥilya in their home, hung on the wall in a place of honour, when compared to (say) Christians placing the supposed images of Jesus on their walls?

The original ending doesn’t have the stakes or gravitas that part 2 did. It just kinda ends in a way that I think Frank thought was much more impactful than it actually was. The movie kinda has an ending like The Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov after the Mule reveals himself and I like that better

@@romankotas448 I have no idea what you are talking about. 😐

@@DavidMyrmidon I’m too high to remember honestly

i still don't understand how people can say it's better than the new dune

It was just different time. D. Lynch have had many problems, number one how to cram everything into a single movie.

@@akbarindo8976 many factors play a part on why some people feel the old dune is better than the new dune. Most of the reasons are honestly pretty darn childish and immature, for example these stupid reasons: 1) I read the book and seen the OG dune. You new people and modern movie are nothing compared to me. 2) Denis changed a little bit of the novel, so I completely condemn the new Dune. 3) I don’t like Timothy or Chani. Therefor this movie sucks 4) Oh the movie have generally lots of positive reviews? Well I’m different.. I like to be different because I’m sigma. Thus I say this movie is overrated and it sucks. I hope people see me as a cool unique person.

@@akbarindo8976it’s pretty terrible no offense but I mean it was so bad that David Lynch disowned it.

Its so bad its good

And spice

Because of religious fanaticism, that's why.

Dune is meant to be a mix of Catholicism and Islam.. one of the fictional holy books is the "Orange Catholic Bible".

​@@tiernanrea1726the Bene Gesserit have been definitely influenced by the Catholic Church.

​@tiernanrea1726 The Fremen are literally Zensunni meaning a religious combination of Buddhism and Islam. The Mahdi is also a very real teaching in Islam.

@@astrosherlock374 Also Bene Gesserit=Jesuit, Gesserit/Jesuit doesn't fall far from the tree.

Nah, that shit sounded like a plank of wood.

The part that I liked about the 1984 version is how they pronounced Harkonnnen with the middle syllable (koe) instead of (ka) like in the newer version, to me it sounded more menacing & threatening in the old film, just my 2 cents

The part that I liked about the 1984 version is how they pronounced Harkonnnen with the middle syllable (koe) instead of (ka) like in the newer version, to me it sounded more menacing & threatening in the old film, just my 2 cents

yeah no

That scene of him infiltrating the terrorists is gold. They talk about him being a master of disguise unable to be scene through, then hard cut to him with bad makeup and pubes glued to his face. All he says is “Durka Durka” and him wildly waving his arms as the “signal” that he’s in trouble, are all great gags.

The only good thing

Lmaooooooooo

Kind of

That’s exactly the point