What? Extended Version is coming? Get out of town!

@@captainalpaka1551 I didn't say it was coming. I meant it needs to come. They might just make it the part 2.

Indeed. It would truly be a disservice to the audience not to release the large amount of footage ignored in the theatrical release. There is at least another 40 minutes of footage removed before it went to theaters and the actors have made clear there is even more than that filmed. Not sure why they wouldn't release it.

@@G3UDO They might be saving those footage for part 2.

@@captainalpaka1551 Unfortunately Villeneuve is adamantly opposed to releasing it

That was her original intention, but after she was stabbed she continued to create a rhythm that called the worm closer. Death was inevitable for her so she used the worm to avenge herself and give them all a terrifying end.

And I love the mirage/vision at the end where we can see her riding the worm after all. Beautiful and poetic, a lot of respect shown towards Kynes…

@@thestarseeker8196 dont think thats kynes buddy

As someone who has never read the books nor watched any of the previous films, I was so excited when the hooks came out only to be crushed when she got killed.

@@thestarseeker8196 that wasn’t kynes that was just another fremen

Exactly, and that's why it makes totally sense that Denis altered his death in the movie, otherwise the whole spice/worm connection would have been given away too soon

A powerful moment lost

I was goin to point that out. It's an important part of the nature of spice and his death by the explosion it's used to introduce it

True, but movie Kynes's death is a pretty honorable one as well. I was kind of disappointed that the movie didn't point out that Chani was Kynes's daughter.

@@rhaenyralikesyoutube6289 We might well get all these plot threads served to us in part two. I feel like a lot of people are expecting Villeneuve to simply skip a lot of Paul's development in the desert, but I have a sneaking suspicion that 1/3 if not more of the movie will be spent on Paul becoming a Fremen (and Rebecca's pregnancy).

I believe we got the director's cut.

@@brotherjohnnyxXxX there’s definitely deleted scenes though would be cool to see all of them added to the movie- so an extended cut?

@@zGraeme We'll probably get to see those scenes on the blue ray.

A 6 hour director’s cut with the deleted scenes that are and will be cut from both movies

there won't

I hope we get an extended cut with it, I also loved this scene

They should have released it ahead like they did with BR2049’s short films.

That scene and Feyd really were the only things frommthe book i missed in the movie!

There are too many crucial things to tell in Part 2. So, I think Villenueve will not dare to waste the movie's runtime with a flashback. Things extremely essential to tell in Part 2 (MAJOR SPOILERS REGARDING THE BOOK!): 1) Paul takes the name "Muaddib" after desert mouse sacred for Zensünni-Fremen culture and religion. He also takes another tribal name: Usul. (I hope DV add Jamis' funeral and Paul's tears a little bit) 2) Lady Jessica has to enter the ritual of transition to Reverend Mother. This event is one of the key factors which provided safe and dignified place for Paul and Jessica among Fremens. And it is the very beginning of the tragedy and character development of Alia Atreides. 3) Introduction to Feyd Rautha, his importance for Baron and his final fight with Paul. 4) More Rabban, Thufir Hawat's final journey and mentat business, and more Gurney Halleck. (I hope Villenueve will put Gurney's section with Paul and Jessica. I think it was one of the most beautiful sections in the book and it summarizes suspicion issue against Jessica from beginning to the end.) 5) Sandworm rider Paul! :) 6) Sietch life, fragments from Fremen culture, and the section between Alia, Harah and Jessica. And a bit intimacy between Usul and Sihaya :) 7) Paul trains Fremens and preparation for the ultimate rebellion after many gerilla resistances. 8) Final battle and confrontation with Emperor Shaddam and Bene Gesserits. Paul and Alia decapitate the "bull" aka House Harkonnen. (I hope Villenueve will reveal that Jessica is actually the illegitimate offspring of Baron) 9) The presence of Shaddam and Princess Irulan. Paul becomes emperor and his final decisions. I think, Lady Margot and Hasimir Fenring will not be included in Part 2.

@@hypatia137 I also wouldn't be surprised if they won't include Harah

True but that would just be another dump of info that new viewers would struggle with on top of everything else.

@@EcopiuM I think it is worst to not explain what it meant.

By not including the part where Jessica reminds Mapes that the blade must not be re-sheathed without having been bloodied, a viewer who is unfamiliar with the books will be left wondering why the Fremen all cut their wrists towards the end.

@@philipwatson2407 omg thanx. I didn’t get that part at all.

​@@EcopiuM people need to thank a little more these days. That's why we get so many dumb down movies

Is all that in the appendix or do you get it from House Atreides?

​@@oskarfabian5200 All in the first appendix

Why do you use the word cascade like 5 different times to describe different things?

@@tangobang2642 I use it in the same way in all 3 paragraphs. A wave of effects rolling through (and often building up in the process) a complex and interconnected system of relationships. Like a chinese milkpowder scandal rising the price for butter here in Germany a year later. (true story) And i use it, because it's one of the core concepts of my comment.

Incredibly well said. I'm just about the finish reading the first book, and reading your comments gave me a deeper understanding of it.

Nice write up!!! I totally understand what you are saying, and I agree wholeheartedly. I've always understood that we humans have a very limited perspective, and that all things and perspectives are relative. That's what makes this a modern classic.

Actually, dead things do change, thanks to entropy. They don't get any less dead, but they are still part of the eventual breakdown of the universe, all those trillions of years in the future. Otherwise, it's a pleasure to read a post that shows an excellent understanding of part of what Frank Herbert was getting at.

Think it possible to see God Emperor?

@@mpalfadel2008 to me that’s where a miniseries has to come into play. Same with children of dune

@@franklindistelzweig3728 the possibility is compelling to say the least

If he perfects Messiah’s ending, everyone will be in awe.

I do not really see messiah as a sole-standing film... i could imagine messiah and children combined into one as a good film though!

Kynes died about the same time in the book. Rautha is introduced early in the book

yeah, but the moment it went wrong she resumed calling the worm to take them with her into death

@@arianewinter4266 yea but it wasn't a trap

@@samlike1018 it was an improvised trap if you will, but yes, she did not plan that

Exactly!

True

Well, hold on, Part 2 is supposed to have more Harkonnen content, hopefully...

Interesting thought! Very nice to now have a link between the gom jabbar and the overruling of animal insticts of the Baron.

Wasn’t the duke fat end ugly because he was poisoned and as a lad he was quite handsome?

My question on this, that has popped into my head each time I’ve seen the movie, is why they set off a thumper? I mean Paul was already on rock, I mean sure he was within reach of the worm, but that’s where he stopped to watch the work, he could easily and rapidly moved back and bit and been far enough from the sand that he couldn’t be splatted against the rock, right? Or am I missing something? I haven’t read the book yet, but from the movie, that just struck me as strange, as Jamis acts like Paul and Jessica weren’t to the rocks yet, and only his thumper saved them.

We do see folded space inside the heighliner

I said the same thing that I wish they had shown the folding of space and it’s relation to the spice

@@shanehall8447 No space folding in this movie. Villeneuve went for a "wormhole" approach to space travel. Did you notice that the heighliner looks like the sand worm.

@Aden Diaz to show something interesting and crucial in that universe. I like that in Lynch’s movie. I also missed there is a mention of an Emperor but we don’t see any of that.

I just read the book again and to me Arakeen wasn't that lively in the book to begin with. The Party starts out there in the desert with the Fremen and their 'ways'.

I guess something readers love but myself it is a difficulty of reading… it takes a longer time to tell the same story and even longer if the book takes “time” to explain many details, as in a book any detail has to be explained otherwise we can’t see it 🤣

Same over here 👋🏼

Yeah like Yueh, almost out of nowhere, betraying the Atreides...

@@scotlandtheinsane3359 they could’ve said something during a Harkonnen scene, and had Jessica and Yueh talk about Wana

@@scotlandtheinsane3359 Read the book.... It's pretty much like in the movie except for the suk imperial conditioning, not mentioned in the movie. He explains in the movie that the harkonnen have is wife

@@katanalx absolutely not lmao read it yourself

She ended up being one of my favorite characters from the film, and her death scene was epic.

I think we may have passed that point but you may be on to something If so, it’ll have to happen within the first 20 minutes of Paul’s narrative in Dune 2

Yeah, she was a very different character than in the book, but she was really good!

Agreed. If I remember correctly, in the book duel happened on their stop on the journey back to the sietch Tabr, not immediatly after the meeting. Jamis was bitter for the whole day (night?) of their journey and he was pondering his supposed humilation of being defeated by an offworlder teenager. He invokes the amtal after they stop in cave post to rest. Body processing and funeral are done there (they have equipment in the cave I think). In new movie they pack the body and take it with them.

Surely high on the moist meter

I think that you interpret what Mohiam says to Jessica as Jessica's feeling here, to me it's more that the rev mother thinks Jessica did birth Paul out of pride, when Jessica throughout the movie shows more love to Paul than in the book. Having a vaguely bad memory of Jessica in the book, the movie made me see her in a completely different light and last time i read the book, i only saw the loving mother

also the fact that the movie left out the moment where paul unlocked his prescient in the stilltent with jessica. Where paul saw two paths on one where he see himself presenting as the grandson of the Baron and the other path that will make him thw leader of a jihad. The moment he chose the jihad path, he then can mourn his father

I’m glad it didn’t turn out like foundation.

And Kynes’ arrival in full dress.

I agree. Denis may have held back, because the rest of the story, and jihad, will not be revealed in part 2 and his adaptation will end at that point. Similar to the older movie, they couldn't tell the whole story with just one movie so they held back.

Yes. The scene in the tent in the book at least seemed a pivotal scene of realisation for Paul. In the movie it wasn't portrayed that way. Only hinted at it.

After she met Paul we learn that the Bene Gesserit have more then one string to their bow. So, she might just not care whether they die or not. Or, like established in the scene with the Harkonnen soldiers in the copter, someone has to actually tell the lie, not just think about it (like in the books?). There is even a third option: She actually gets the lie, but because she suspects (knows?) Paul and Jessica's future she must not interfere. However, i prefer door 1. Mostly because they established well enough the Bene Gesserit don't care about individuals, willing to sacrifice for 'the greater good'. And Jessica already sabotaged the plan by carrying out a son. So, no need to keep them around. There is some advantage Paul might have over the Reverend Mother: Steering the future by himself, not through (unreliable) agency. And i like the idea the path of Muad'Dib not only crosses the plans of Harkonnen and Emperor, but the Bene Gesserit as well.

I’ve seen this mentioned a few times, but I see it a bit different, although I’ve not read the book yet. To me it seems she’s extremely stressed, but as the Duke is, for similar but different reasons. The Duke knows he and his House are being set up to fall, so there’s that, but she’s also worried, because all her choices as coming to a point where Paul will either prove himself to be who she hopes he is, or dies trying to prove it. Remember she had Paul against orders, than trained him in the B.G. ways, despite it being restricted to females only, so if he son dies, trying to fulfill the prophecy, it will ultimately be her fault as it was her choices that put him in that position, so the stress of that, and the coming attack, which put them all at risk, I can see Jessica being out of sorts.

In the novel's depiction of the Gom Jabbar scene, Jessica is visibly and audibly relieved that Paul is still alive. The film shows the worry that takes place in the interim. As for her being strong, she is--when she talks to Paul after the Reverend Mother leaves, in the thopter (badass!), and in the tent when Paul is having visions.

@@johnpatz8395 "although I’ve not read the book yet" opinion discarded

@@johnpatz8395 the book's Jessica cannot br stressed because she is a bene geserrit

Totally agree, in the movie she came off as weak, almost completely dependent on others, not too intelligent and carelessly.

With all the flaws the tv series was a better adaptation then Lynch's Dune

Julie Cox was perfect as Irulan. And no film or TV version of Dune has ever gotten either the Bene Gesserit or Sardaukar costumes right. Something's wrong when the audience takes one look at these characters and starts snickering.

You are everywhere!

Who tf trained a dog to watch sci-fi reviews

The reason it doesn't matter is that what the character is and what the character represents isn't tied to gender, that said why change it anyway? I mean we know why it was done but unltimately it doesn't matter. Where Villeneuve missed a trick with Keynes was the death scene, it was cringe to me, as a long time fan of the book it was weak and just ticked a cliched heroic character death check box, in the book Keynes hallucinates and argues with an image of his father lecturing him even though his fathers image just carries on with his monlogue as he suffers from dehydration and his treatment by the Harkonnens after he is left stranded in the desert, it gives insight into the character and why he went native and what he'd hoped to achieve as Liet, it also gives us insight into the relationship of the worms and spice, it is a brilliantly written piece of the book and very moving in it's own way, Keynes knowing he is going to die, his making peace with it and his relationship with his father, not to mention the desert hawks overhead and the single bird that is gradually getting braver and coming closer to Liet as his death approaches only for it to fly off as the pre spice mass is ready to blow. I get you can't fit it in but it could've added some much needed expostition even in a tighter scene, especially as the movie is crying out for more exposition. Dune is a lot of things, most of them overwelmingly positve, but as an adaptation, it fails, once the hype dies down and people are more objective it will rightfully recieve recognition for its art design, visuals, and score, but as an adaptation I'm sorry but it's poor, very poor, like most complex literary works a good adaptation is just not on for a movie even two or three, a mini series maybe but not a movie, too many factors stand in the way.

I think it doesn't matter what gender Kynes was, as he/she is in it's truest form (according to the book) a scientist.

Yeah the whole movie seems to be lacking in color. Some shots would have been better with lush vibrant colors.

Also, some visual queues about it being very hot… the dunes don’t look like a hot place despite all the talk about it.

6 books, more then 2200+ pages... jodorowsky's dune was planed to have 14 hours

Denis only plans to go for a trilogy, and personally I think Messiah is the best to end on anyway. It’s tragic and fitting as an ending for Paul’s story, and it’s also the point where the books are still mostly grounded. Children and after go off the rails with psychedelic, mental, or just plan unrealistic physical things happening, all in ways that would be difficult to carry over to the big screen. I may be a little biased; I think God Emperor and to an extend Children are the worst of the Dune books, mostly because Leto II is not even really a character, but more of an idea. He’s fascinating conceptually but I never liked or even really related to him, since the books straight up state he’s not even really a person, he’s -a pre-born collective ruled by his own ancestors memories. That’s interesting in the book, but it won’t work in a movie, and that’s disregarding him spewing gibberish as profound societal commentary. I think Children would also be really difficult, because of the issues with Letos character, and because child actors are difficult to work with, so they’d have to make him older. If they do children, I’d also really hope that they don’t include the scene where putting on the sand trout gives him f*cking superpowers, because for the most part the series is very physically grounded until then. Making him near-invincible because of sand trout I can buy, but it would just be comical to watch a child jump 400 meters in a single bound or throw a 50 ton door at people. If children can handle this right, i could maybe see it, but I still think there’s too much mentally going on to make things clear for a general audience. But the biggest reason to me is just that I think Messiah is the only clear, final ending for Paul’s story, and he’s the character we actually care about so far. And it’s a fitting and tragic one at that. Every book after that doesn’t have a sense of ending so much as bleeding into a sequel, and for Children and onward to work they’d have to make me care about Leto II.

Probably because Javier Bardem is Spanish and can't disguise his accent.

It is by the juice of Saphoo that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stain, the stains become a warning…. I’ve had that memorized for decades.

Thanks for reminding me of that. I had totally forgotten about the stain upon the lips. That was better portrayed in Lynch’s film. I was also a big fan of Brad Dourif’s portrayal of a slightly unhinged Piter.

@@packratggregory Dourif is amazing in all his roles. I think he fit Piter perfectly.

I agree totally. Though, ten years from now, DV is going to slap his forehead thinking, "I should've added THAT!" Or this, or that. It's fabulous the way you made it, DV!!

You're not wrong, but as bad an adaptation the Lynch movie was, not to mention just straight up inventing core plot elements, it's the better adaptation for me, the things you mention here are better explained and presented in the Lynch movie, which given that Lynch made the whole book into a movie with a similar runtime is puzzling, after watching the Villneuve movie I rewatched the Lynch movie, which I have to be honest is a gulity pleasure and in isolation it's a good movie, I also rewatched the SYFY mini series, they both beat Villeneuve in adaptation, massively so in the mini series, but the mini series production valuies are to be blunt awful, I'd forgotten how bad the mini series costumes and effects were, compared to the visuals of Villeneuve it was painfully bad, that said it was streets ahead in its adaptation. After thinking about the Lynch movie adaptation vs Villeneuves adaptation for a while I came to the conclusion that the reason the Lynch version did better was the use of exposition, Virginia Madsens Irulan at the beginning sets up the movie very well and the use of major characters throughout giving their thoughts as exposition worked really well in conveying the ideas and themes, not always, but for the majority it worked really well. In an interview Villeneuve said he wanted the score to be the exposition, and as good as the score is, it is in no way any good at acting as exposition, I don't know why Villeneuve went with this approach, maybe he didn't want to be accused of copying Lynch or he honestly thought the score could do it, it didn't, not even close, he missed a trick here, he missed it huge, it would've added so much more whilst keeping none readers of the book invested as well as fans of the book. As a movie fan I really loved the film, but as a Dune fan I was very disappointed and in all honesty this was what I expected, I went to see it with my wife and brother, my wife has read the book though she's not a big sci fi fan, my brother hadn't read the book but enjoyed the Lynch movie, they both enjoyed it, very much so in my brothers case, he was blown away, but even he felt something was missing and I had to be his exposition after the fact, while my wife really enjoyed it as well, she's a Villeneuve fan first and foremost, she was disappointed too, one of her favourite parts of the book was the friction between the Baron and Pieter de Vries and after she'd seen pictures of the Stellan Skarsgaard and David Dastmalchian in costume she couldn't wait to see them in the movie, she was really disappointed, I know it would've been impossible to get it all in there, but at least some sort scene must've been doable if only to hint at it, but there was literally nothing, nothing at all, so many characters got this treatment, and yeah none fans wouldn't mind, myself as a Dune fan it really tainted the experience, exposition here could've done so much more. There's so many other things I could pick apart but the film is done, Villeneuve doesn't do directors cuts and has always said that the cut you see is the cut he wanted, I can't help but think there's a way better version on the cutting room floor, that said no amount of exposition can repair the damge done with the writing for Rebecca Ferguson as Jessica, she is a fine actress but the way she was written was terrible, gone is the stoic Bene Gesserit concubine of the Duke of a great house to replaced with, as my wife says, "a hand wringing borderline neurotic who spends a lot of time on the verge of hysteria", maybe a bit harsh but not wholly innaccurate, it even made my wife doubt if Villeneuve is the fan of the books he says he is, she believed she couldn't have been written so badly if it were done deliberately. I think when it all is said and done it will receive praise for its asthetic and visuals and deservedly so but once the hype dies down and people start to view it with more objectivity it will be criticised for it's poor adaptation. I think a big budget brings a lot of baggage, Dune had nineteen producers, and it shows, maybe with its success Villeneuve will get more freedom and bring the threads together better in the second movie, I really do hope so. I still think his best big movies are Prisoners, Arrival, and Sicario in that order, BR2049 was good and like Dune the visuals did a lot of the heavy lifting but it paid enough respect to the source material and told a solid story, his real skill is with the type of movies his earlier work gave us, Incendies is far and away his very best work, that's where he is a master of his craft. I think even other great driectors like Wes Anderson and Tom Ford would probably struggle with big budgets as it would interfere to much with how they do things, maybe Villeneuve will go back to his earlier type of work, I hope so, he's a great talent. Apologies for the wall of text.

@@gs8494 I liked the lynch version, except for the versions of the Baron and Rabin (sp?), which was overdone and sort of spoiled the atmosphere. Which was quickly regained. I read the book eons ago, twice, and I wish I still had it, 'cos I don't feel like can comment as well based on long distant memory. I watched the Lynch version twice on HBO over the past 2 weeks or so, and it felt really good seeing it again. The more recent version by Mr. Villeneuve was just plain refreshing, despite the lacks in the sub-plots, for its organization, pacing, and clarity of transition between scenes gave it a fast-moving action sense even when there was less action and more talk. Well-balanced? Organic?? And, to me, the dialogue content/delivery was also very effective because it was all so well-integrated and very natural-sounding, and not forced. Less dramatic. Which thus didn't take attention away from the main plotline. I think the balance of action scenes and dialogue brought viewers (read AND unread) easily right into the Dune environment, and thank the gods the baron and children were directed to be a lot more subtle (but still insane). But anyway -- I really have to see DV's movie again. And again, I have a feeling! And when I ever get the book again, I KNOW I'll be doing the face-palm throughout, so why fret...and, maybe DV will take some of our comments to heart!

@@paulbrinkman5631 I wouldn't wait to long to read the book again and the others, they always hold up well, more so than others, Foundation for one, whilst I do love Foundation it hasn't aged as well, but Herberts Dune and its Universe I think will be timeless, it seems today it's all about subverting expectation, newflash, Herbert did it over 50 years ago with Dune, especially with the brutal deconstruction of Paul in Dune Messiah, the series' themes are relevant in any age, maybe more so today when we are quick to make heroes and villains of people without a second thought to the truth or consequences, that's without even looking at the enviromental themes. I still have hope for the second movie though, I just hope they let Villeneuve do it his way without interference.

Androids are bad, made war with humans, humans win, never make androids or AI again, mentats are used to make calculations... Not to difficult...

I had no problem with the way they hid Dr Yueh being a traitor. To the uninitiated it came as a shock. They'll probably release those scenes on the blue ray.

I think that Herbert could have made a more Shakespearen attempt to the Drama of why Yueh actually betrayed the house he served, we know why but it was both in the book and in the movie a bit dry for my taste. I just couldn't relate. I mean after all he was conditioned .... so what happened? How deep was that love and what did they actually do to his wife and what not?

Cheers Gerry

@@CortexVideos Maybe learn how to pronounce the characters' names in future... *I*-ru-lan. THU-fir HAW-at.

In the book it talks about hand signals. That is actually a better description of what we see in the movie than sign language, which usually involves much more than some fingers moving.

Right! I agree ☝️

The trouble is that while it gets the movie in a tighter and compact version, the more complex the source, the more the movie suffers in adaptation, and Dune for all it's stunning visuals and score is a spectacular cinema experience, but the flip side is how poor an adaptation it ultimately is. As a fan of the books I can fill in the blanks but that doesn't mean I'm going to excuse its failings, and it has many of them have no doubt.

So it's just the bare bones and none of the intricate flavors.

@@Shan_Dalamani You have your mind to create all the intricate flavors you like. 😉

@@MrRawnerves I've read all six books multiple times over the last few decades, participated on multiple Dune discussion forums, and ran two of them. I'm familiar with what should be in a film adaptation to do justice to the novel, and Villeneuve's movie isn't it.

The artwork in _Eye_ is stunning, but that "walking tour of Arrakeen" vignette doesn't take place until Dune Messiah.

Thanks Michael, glad you enjoyed

Also, the whole scene at the beginning when the Emporor's ship lands on Caladan to formally give the Atreides the fiefdom of Arrakis, never appears in the book

Yeah, bagpipes... wtf?

Funny, it worked fine in the miniseries.

I think a few seconds here and there would have helped a lot to understand the universe better.

Agree, but still the scene is nice in the book. I think the minor characters are fairly underestimated in terms of world building. After all it is a sci fi novel/movie set in a very complex universe with many many different parties participating from many worlds with different cultures and habits. Could have been a nice scene in the style of HBO s Game of thrones with all these subtle nuances and turns, and after all it was a Character Development point for Paul