Why eFuels Can Save The Combustion Engine

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Can eFuels (Green Gasoline) prevent EV's replacing the traditional combustion engine and what is the perfect eFuel? Could one of the most significant innovations in modern history, the internal combustion engine, be on the brink of extinction? As the world comes to terms with the effects of pollution, we are now looking to a greener way of travel but this might spell the end of the oil-powered engine as we know it. Or can new e-fuels such as biodiesel breathe fresh life into the combustion engine?
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REV - The Global Auto and Mobility Show from Deutsche Welle
Report: Kai Steinecke
Camera: Henning Goll
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@crankybear1236 2 жыл бұрын

One big advantage of internal combustion engines is that they can be tuned to run on different fuels with light modifications.

@Robertino9064 3 жыл бұрын

I want to see the Efuels soon in all Motorsport series.

@alimoayedkazemi4630 3 жыл бұрын

Internal combustion engines are here to stay at least for two decades

@rkroadstories3752 3 жыл бұрын

Even more if there are people to upgrade it further

@MightyJabroni 3 жыл бұрын

Combustion engines will never fully disappear. They are a highly developed technology and have too many advantages. Fuel powered generators, for example, will always remain important in some areas. Because they can still produce electricity, when everything else fails. Also, heavy duty logistics and tourism will be eager for getting their hands on carbon neutral fuel. Ships and planes are simply way too heavy to be powered with batteries. Heavy long distance trucks probably as well. And lets not forget that there are big industries, that would not be too happy, when the combustion engine disappears entirely. Repair services, spare part dealers, used car enterprises and many others. They will all not be too hot on that scenario. Many always only think car engineering and production in terms of workforce reduction, should the combustion engine be a goner. It goes much further than that! Right now, e-motors are the talk of the town. In no small part because of significant political good will and substantial subsidies. Which especially entices businesses to get electric company vehicles, since they can give themselves a PR effective green tap on the back and shave off many of the costs, (plus writing these cars off of their taxes anyway). But I am not fully convinced how well a major or (let alone ) all out fleet of electric cars would work at scale. One big problem (imo) is that we probably have seen the biggest cost cut downs in battery technology already. Which means that a new battery will remain the most expensive functional part in electric cars. So when a battery fails or simply becomes too unreliable to be used any longer in the car, this will typically mark the point, where many electric cars will enter the used car market. But who buys a used car, where one of the first orders of business will be a battery swap or replacement, which will at the VERY least cost another 3.000 Euro (assuming a small 40 kWh battery and very beneficial price development in the next four years)? Battery price and/or a better life span will be key for e-motors to succeed at large. They have done fairly well on other fronts (like possible reach per charge, comfort, ease of maintenance and general performance). But the price tag for battery replacement makes e-cars very unattractive for many used car buyers, which is a mandatory factor for broad market acceptance that is not to be underestimated at all.

@VoodooGMusic 3 жыл бұрын

This comment is filled with SO MUCH misinformation and baseless assumptions that I do not even know where to start. Especially your battery swap argument. Let me make it clear that this only even applies to second gen modern EVs I.E. the first Lithium Ion cars, MOSTLY the Nissan Leaf. No other EVs suffer from anywhere NEAR that degredation. I own a 7 year old used EV which had almost no degredation, most EV batteries don't degredate as much if the car has decent battery management system, the Leaf did not have that. In fact the Leaf is probably the reason why this stereotype exists in the first place. The battery swap myth is simply not true for 90% of EV models. Nevermind the fact that even battery replacements on an EV after 8 years would STILL be less expensive than all of the maintenance you'd have to put into a gas car over that time combined, nevermind the cost of fuel. Concerning your baseless assumption on battery prices, you don't know that, all signs a pointing in the direction that battery prices will continue to drop, many companies are currently building giga factories to achieve that, we are at the beginning of an S curve here, the max production capacity that we need has not nearly been reached yet, and the closer we get to it, the cheaper the batteries will become to produce. Now let's talk about emergency generators... They suck. They work when everything else fails, yeah as long as you can come by gasoline that's true. But batteries can do the same, and you could recharge them using solar arrays, in fact many people around the world have used systems like that to disconnect from the electricity grid. Solar, wind and batteries will be used for microgrids which are much more resillient to outside force than the macro grid, and their existence alone makes gas generators obsolete. About Trucks and airplanes. Yeah you might have a point there. But what about hydrogen? To create e fuels you need to create hydrogen. Then you use energy inefficient processes to turn this hydrogen into hydrocarbons, then you use those hydrocarbons in very energy inefficient engines to propell a vehicle... So why not just use the hydrogen and skip 3 or 4 inefficient steps? Because fuel cells are expensive? Perhaps, but I think they are more promising than an inefficient technology that barely exists in the experiemental stage thus far, and offers no real benefits over the competition other than "modified versions of today engines could potentially run on it." Because that's another issue. Most car engines on the market right now cannot even handle synthetic fuels, so you need new vehicles anyways.

@psychologicalsigma9917 3 жыл бұрын

Planes use compressed air I thought?

@MightyJabroni 3 жыл бұрын

@@VoodooGMusic I am not sold whatsoever on this idea, that batteries will get much cheaper. Just look what a battery replacement for a laptop costs. Same tech (at heart), much smaller, has been around forever - still costs 30 to 50 bucks. The major price drops have resulted from car batteries having still been a fairly experimental field not too long ago. Now the mass production is there, as the tech is understood well enough - and they still cost what they cost. Needless to say that lithium prices only knew one directon over the last two decades - upwards! I know, that an electric car stands to be cheaper maintenance wise. But the used car market is an entry level market for many consumers. Or just for anybody, who doesn't have the coin for a new car. And again: When will most electric cars enter this market? When their battery is sharply decreased or has been uninstalled to serve a second life service. That just comes with the territory. There are no two ways about that. That is lilke buying a used car without a motor. Who the hell would do that? And given that several mass consumer markets (mobility, gadgets and appliances as well as energy storage in industry, businesses and households) are all eyeballing battery tech at an ever increasing scale, the assumption that they will get so much cheaper, is simply gullible. The lithium price itself is a key indicator for that.

@DerSnipOr 3 жыл бұрын

@@VoodooGMusic In you comment it sound like electric energy is free. Here in Germany you do not have a large advantage when paying for 30ct at your house and 50ct at a charger. 2. Generators need to be light. Same reason you do not see high powered chainsaws which can be used for a longer period of time in the forest.

@VoodooGMusic 3 жыл бұрын

@@DerSnipOr I am aware of the electricity cost in Germany and it's baseless inflation compared to our neighbors. Still it is cheaper than gas, and add to that the lack of maintenance it's way cheaper to operate an EV than a gas car. Concerning chainsaws and such, most of those can now be replaced with electric devices, the reason that doesn't happen instantly is because of the replacement cost.

@drivebypodcast7566 3 жыл бұрын

A truly great video, brilliant production and very well written. It has perked up my day massively to think we may still be able to hear the roar of a V8 on the road!

@DWREV 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@melchorvincentagot1002 3 жыл бұрын

It's nice to hear these biofuels are made out of unusual items such as straw and animal fats.

@MonkeyBisnez 3 жыл бұрын

Really cool! Looking forward to e-fuel ! 🙌

@ronniemackenzie097 3 жыл бұрын

It's exactly what we need for classic cars. Very promising and exciting e fuels.

@davidyoung9561 3 жыл бұрын

As I own a few classic cars and motorbikes, this has really given me great enthusiasm.

@matthewaustin3488 2 жыл бұрын

All the company's in this industry regarding synthetic and bio fuels need to come together to make this process and technology a real full blown reality for all I would happily buy from them love all the German comman sense to

@maruph3555 3 жыл бұрын

Goodbye fossil fuel. Hello synthetic fuels, biofuels, electric, hydrogen, algae :)

@edgarmartinez7155 4 жыл бұрын

This needs more views

@DWREV 4 жыл бұрын

We agree. Tell your friends.

@FECosta-ei6pv 3 жыл бұрын

I hope the E fuels are going to save the engine powered vehicles. We need a future with multiple kinds of energy not only electricity.

@gatsbymaguire Жыл бұрын

Don't fail us, Porsche. Don't fail us, E-Fuel Alliance. The fate of car culture lies in your hands.

@theboringchan 3 жыл бұрын

I definitely want this to happen.

@stevewalsh-balshaw1727 3 жыл бұрын

Efuels it's brilliant that they are working on this

@alimoayedkazemi4630 3 жыл бұрын

Synthetic fuels will be cost effective within next few years and it will be competitive with electric vehicles

@christopherayala4619 3 жыл бұрын

Hopefully they have time so governments can lift the ban on new cars

@christopherayala4619 3 жыл бұрын

Cause they already have ban on new car in 2030 for uk at least

@alimoayedkazemi4630 3 жыл бұрын

@@christopherayala4619 the ban says about internal combustion engines running on fossil fuels not e fuels biofuels and hydrogen

@alimoayedkazemi4630 3 жыл бұрын

@@christopherayala4619 the ban is banning internal combustion engines running on fossil fuels not banning new combustion engines running on biofuels and synthetic fuels and hydrogen......

@christopherayala4619 3 жыл бұрын

@@alimoayedkazemi4630 wait how do you know that ice cars will banned on fossils fuel not on efuels? Need an link for that

@ethanmapanao7542 2 жыл бұрын

Ferrari and Lamborghini keep v12 alive it's the core of their supercars

@ayushk4099 3 жыл бұрын

Combustion engines need to be efficient since they are only 25% thermal efficient average while the best production engines run at over 40% efficiency and Formula1 engines run at 50% efficiency I think by the end of this decade over 50% efficient production engines will hit the market and with negligible NOx emission Using hybrid systems, free valve and pre-chamber ignition or microwave ignition and using biofuel and e-fuel will create a ideal combustion engine

@cryptohouse1676 3 жыл бұрын

I also read that turbines are ideal as range extenders in hybrid setups. They are smaller, lighter, have less maintenance, more power, quieter, and burn much cleaner than piston generators. Check out the TED talk from Wrightspeed.

@ao8271 3 жыл бұрын

They should hurry tf up and make it bc im getting anxious.

@mampai0723 3 жыл бұрын

😅😅

@Rajevaekipaandjelko 3 жыл бұрын

Dont worry porsche made a factory in Chile, from 2022 its in production and in 2025 it will be in gas stations all over the world. They predicting price around 1.5€ per l and thats price right now of dino fuel righnt now in EU. EU said that they will ban dino fuel cars till 2035 so we have 14 years for syntetic fuel.

@NexusWarior211 3 жыл бұрын

@@Rajevaekipaandjelko I thought it was still in the research phase?

@jogamuitomw363 4 жыл бұрын

I love e fuels

@DWREV 4 жыл бұрын

Yep, Jogamuito mw3, It's an exciting alternative to oil fuel. Do you think that combustion engines will be able to keep up with electric ones, for example?

@abhishek1041984 4 жыл бұрын

@@DWREV Formula one can lead the way for e fuels and show the world that dental drills are not future at least for enthusiasts.

@videosforcatsanddogs214 3 жыл бұрын

Great video

@marcopereira5576 3 жыл бұрын

This is a great new 👍💪 better than the vacuum cars 😂

@phatmeow7764 2 жыл бұрын

efuels can be one of many approaches to move to more clean burning easily transportable/storing fuels for the ICE engines? scania has been building buses that run on ED95 fuel which is 95% ethanol and 5% additives so there is more than one approach to the problem and that could be key : flexibility, diversity and let the economics/politics decide in the long run (the more pragmatic approach?) update : after studying the whole efuel process i wonder if the whole process could be far more economical and a real immediate solution if there is no methanol to gasoline high energy last stage? just use methanol as fuel as is (with modification of current ICE engines perhaps?)

@ArcherNoble 2 жыл бұрын

I love the fact that they completely chose to omit nuclear energy to produce E-fuel. But what would you expect from a country that has completely dropped the technology.

@Ohem1 3 жыл бұрын

What about Thorium+Salt reactor? Thorium can be grabbed as a byproduct from manufacturing plants for different purposes.

@X7rocks 3 жыл бұрын

I don't get why people just say no to this legislation.

@AZ-74 3 жыл бұрын

nuclear power stations can help with that fuel generation

@lawrencefearon6830 3 жыл бұрын

What about the worlds most popular BioFuel: Ethanol? It is made from a vast variety of different sources including trash through gasification. Modern cultivation techniques cut total emissions by 64% or more. Indeed it's already distributed in a variety of formulations but the higher content grades require minor modifications to most existing engines. A much more pragmatic approach than demanding everyone buy an entirely new electric vehicle because modification cost maybe 1,000 Euros.

@VintageCars999 3 жыл бұрын

Can you convert a regular gasoline vehicle to run E85? If so what needs changing?

@lawrencefearon6830 3 жыл бұрын

@@VintageCars999 of course and millions have. The ECU needs to be made Flexfuel to accommodate ethanol or gas or a blend of the two which it will calculate. Many popular cars tuners sell flexfuel ECUs. Fuel lines in modern cars don’t have rubber. Fuel pump needs a 30% capacity upgrade. Fuel injectors need a 30% larger upgrade. Yes you’ll get 20% worse mpg but the cost is 40% less per gallon than premium and rated at 105 octane. A Challenger should be easy and the ECU can really jack up the boost.

@VintageCars999 3 жыл бұрын

@@lawrencefearon6830 that would be nice. Gunna hold off on converting my Challenger but I was thinking of buying a cheap $2,000 car to do the conversion. Probably could do a 2000 Silverado I was planning on getting anyways. Will it work going back and forth between fuels as well? Anything to slow down the need to ban the sales of new combustion engine vehicles, not sure if E85 will do that but I'm hoping more fuels will make it to the market and make an impact because I will never drive an electric vehicle. Instant torque is a gimmick and I like wrenching on older vehicles.

@lawrencefearon6830 3 жыл бұрын

@@VintageCars999 Yes it will Absolutely calculate the precise Air/Fuel ratio for the blend. I do recommend using it in a boosted engine or at least a premium fuel required car to gain the most power and save money. I'm also proud to share with you my brother that new CARBON NEGATIVE ethanol fuels are coming online to replace low carbon corn based ethanol. Miscanthus is a cellulosic ethanol feedstock that pulls greenhouse gas out of the atmosphere [-15% kgCO2e/mmBtu] producing 3 times the fuel per acre vs. corn ethanol. Driving your car will actually clean the air as more Miscanthus is grown and with vast distribution networks already in place for current cars. This is obviously something electric cars will never ever be able to do. So the internal combustion engine has as bright a future as possible. lwww.epa.gov/fuels-registration-reporting-and-compliance-help/lifecycle-greenhouse-gas-results

@chaseorna2127 3 жыл бұрын

ahh yes, here we go!

@MisterGamerX 4 жыл бұрын

Epic!

@DWREV 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, where do you see the future in green fuels?

@danieltv123 3 жыл бұрын

How is the hydrogen extracted? What water source is used? Is it renewable?

@cryptohouse1676 3 жыл бұрын

Electrolysis with renewable energy. Saltwater from the sea.

@jamesfirth2392 3 жыл бұрын

how can you ban a technology ( ICE engines ) when that technology could possibly be made pollution free.

@Tanya_Von-Degurechaff 2 жыл бұрын

They want to be able to control your car

@gokulkrishm51 2 жыл бұрын

If we could get enough investments and interest towards this, I see a more cleaner future. But yes, everyone has to co-operate.

@gokulkrishm51 Жыл бұрын

@@jadenspires1891 I just checked it out. THESE are the type of people we need! We have many ideas and concepts for a cleaner future, yet we go behind electric mobility hoping that it would solve everything -_- I wonder why no more research was put into Meyer's experiment.

@gokulkrishm51 Жыл бұрын

@@jadenspires1891 I'd like to but I'm a nearly broke college student at the moment :'( But I will be sharing this story. Thank you!

@jadenspires1891 Жыл бұрын

@@gokulkrishm51 your welcome. Your in college eh? Oh well, it’s hard for me to understand what goes on in college because I’m a high school student and your a college student so we do things different. But I understand that you have to pay a lot there and I am sorry about that

@jackhetherington6457 3 жыл бұрын

Yey!! I can drive a big v6 diesel!! Woooohooo! I'd not have any regrets anyway, just my wallet lol

@tudorcotoi7011 2 жыл бұрын

For once in my petrolhead life I’m glad Greta didn’t keep her mouth shout. E fuels might save my favorite thing out there.

@johncarlberg4481 2 жыл бұрын

I ❤️ two strokes lol

@krabbe969 3 жыл бұрын

Ganz ehrlich, 2050 würde man einfach der Ober krasseste typ sein wenn man da noch mit einem lauten lambo von heute angefahren kommt😀

@tobiashermann2888 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the documentary... please be way more precise and go into depth if talking about such a controversial topic... 1. Bio fuels are maid out of biomass, which is plants that grow on our planet... the amount is not restricted by waste plants but by how many plants we want to produce/use for biofuels 2. synthetic fuels which cost 4,50 € per liter ??? This is the case NOW but how much would it cost if the technology would work on big scale with cheap electricity!?

@Kr91122 3 жыл бұрын

Expected to be around 1.70 in 2030

@pir869 2 жыл бұрын

If the same amount of energy were to be put into the research as has gone into wind,solar etc then the ICE will never go away,in WW2 germany was making synthetic petrol due to their lack of oil fields,and those that were around were romania?...i know the fields that existed were fought over and just like the "battle of the bulge" this too was over fuel dumps,so making fuel(petrol) should be a no brainer,just put the effort into the technology and it'll happen. Electric cars construction is not very clean either and you still have to generate power to charge them,unless you make synthetic fuel and have self charging hybrids. I don't like bio fuels as the need for fuel crops outstrip the food crop and that leads to hunger,unless you're a cabinet minister then the mugs (the serfs) buy breccy ,lunch,dinner,heating,transport costs,booze,hookers,second-third-fourth homes etc etc,while we all starve and freeze. Geo thermal is another power grid generator not talked about enough,it's hot down there,make the steam turn the turbines and cable up the leccy,have the generators underground,ask anyone who worked coal mines/pits it gets hot and free hot is cheaper to make leccy ....yes.

@Law19157 3 жыл бұрын

Use the natural gas to make to co2 gasoline.

@jamesfirth2392 3 жыл бұрын

read an article on " Blue Gas", which I believe does this.

@vickyloayon7558 3 жыл бұрын

But ferrari will be 100 octane V12

@TekAutomatica 3 жыл бұрын

HVO made from waste not monoculture foodstocks for massive reductions in all emissions including NOx and PMs but much better fuel consumption than fossil diesel. Works in all CI engines without modification. See Neste. Also future SAF for airliners

@8.10mm_kiju-senpai 3 жыл бұрын

内燃機関は不滅

@fsheheclack Жыл бұрын

Here's 2 things synthetic fuels need to be a viable technology along with EVs : More political support and more research.

@dvpzy Жыл бұрын

Electric cars are not greener than a gasoline car. The overall components pollutes more.

@VintageCars999 3 жыл бұрын

Synthetic fuels are the future if we strive towards it. We have to keep the internal combustion engine alive for decades to come. And I absolutely do not want an electric vehicle. I will not be taken in by such bad technology, batteries are just as harmful to the environment as gasoline. E fuels is where it's at.

@gokulkrishm51 Жыл бұрын

🤞

@Bikers_against_pedophiles Жыл бұрын

Amen! Just dont buy evs and automakers will go bankrupt.

@3nityC 3 жыл бұрын

This won't work on Mars, trust me I'm not a scientist.

@rkroadstories3752 3 жыл бұрын

First let there be civilization in mars

@boomboombeach404 2 жыл бұрын

TU ENGINE! 😀😀😀

@vickyloayon7558 3 жыл бұрын

Biobutanol save v12

@gostandinostheodossiou6727 2 жыл бұрын

So do electric vehicles cause deaths worse than petrol vehicle because they are heavy due to batteries they bring up dust more through tyres due to weight and that kills more people than petrol tail pipe also tones of break dust they also produce EMF radiation which is more harmful effects leukemia miscarriage autism the first electric vehicle had lead sheets under seats now they are not bothering

@Jkauppa 3 жыл бұрын

just clean the oceans, already

@Jkauppa 3 жыл бұрын

resistance is futile, you have more trash you ever even bury, just do it

@Jkauppa 3 жыл бұрын

transport tycoon deluxe

@Jkauppa 3 жыл бұрын

stop giving information that is a product claiming to see

@Jkauppa 3 жыл бұрын

waste information, knowledge, not skill, ability to make

@Jkauppa 3 жыл бұрын

they are not cheap, they are free

@marx875 3 жыл бұрын

Better liquid hydrogen made from water

@anzaisekai3416 3 жыл бұрын

Liquid Hydrogen is not possible, it condenses by pressure around -200 C if I'm right, so no, would be great, but no.

@marx875 3 жыл бұрын

@@anzaisekai3416 how about to produce on demand

@sazzadhossain7870 2 жыл бұрын

Electric cars is not always the best.

@attaulhameed3884 3 жыл бұрын

I think World is a best place for living with peace...... either Mars?

@muckman5509 3 жыл бұрын

videos like these can be very miss leading when it comes to advancements in technology's Hydrogen can now be generated at efficiencies of over 80% now thanks to sunfire's steam electrolysis techniques. I find this video very misleading and outdated. The truth is synthetic fuels are the future

@VoodooGMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Bio fuels are a dead end for cars. They are a desperate attempt ot save the ICE, but the ICE is as good as dead. Current gen ICE vehicles cannot run on e fuels, and even if they could, and were carbon neutral, they still emmit toxic gas into cities, electric cars don't. Car companies would have to invest RND into an uncertain technology that might be banned anyways, or they could choose to invest that money into EVs and EV infrastructure which are in comparison a safe bet, there's no reason why they'd choose e fuels, and as for governments, if they care about becoming carbon neutral quickly, and want to clean up city air as well, then e fuels are a terrible choice. Nevermind the fact the e fuels are ridiculously expensive compared to charging a BEV. They are in fact even less economical than hydrogen!