Dyno Testing a Mondello 455 Olds Big Block - Horsepower S13, E8

  Рет қаралды 571,797

POWERNATION

POWERNATION

4 жыл бұрын

After launching their classic Olds 455 engine build at the home base of "Dr. Olds", Joe Mondello - Joe and Mike finish their buildup and test results on the engine dyno. Plus, another budget-friendly tech tip.
PARTS USED IN THIS EPISODE:
Accel: ACCEL U-Groove performance spark plugs, Advance curve kit, Adjustable vacuum advance.
More Info: pntv.us/pb_pt_11195
ARP: Head bolts, Rod bolts, SB Chevy accessory kit, Main studs, & Harmonic balancer bolt
More Info: pntv.us/pb_pt_6591
Centerforce: Steer Flywheel
More Info: pntv.us/pb_pt_11191
Comp Cams: XE284H, Xtreme Energy Hydraulic Flat Tappet Camshaft, Hydraulic-Street / Strip, needs 9:1 comp. 2800+ stall, headers, gears, rough idle. Pro Magnum┬Щ Hydraulic Lifters; Olds (V8 260-455) Pontiac (V8 326-455). Both have been infused with Pro Plasma Nitriding Treatment.
More Info: pntv.us/pb_pt_6590
Comp Cams: Ultra-Gold Rocker Arms; 7/16" Stud, 1.6 Ratio (16).
More Info: pntv.us/pb_pt_6592
Dupli-Color: Universal Gold engine enamel.
More Info: pntv.us/pb_pt_6589
Dupli-Color: Red and Grey Vinyl and Fabric Coating.Touch-up repair prep wipes.
More Info: pntv.us/pb_pt_6588
Edelbrock: 77cc Performer RPM aluminum cylinder heads.
More Info: pntv.us/pb_pt_6587
Edelbrock: Performer Olds 455 aluminum intake manifold.
More Info: pntv.us/pb_pt_6586
Hedman Hedders: 1 3/4" to 3" long tube headers
More Info: pntv.us/pb_pt_6585
Holley: 870 cfm Street Avenger carb.
More Info: pntv.us/pb_pt_6580
Loctite: Sealants and thread locking compounds
More Info: ttps://pntv.us/pb_pt_6579
Moroso: 8.25" Deep Gold Iridite Oldsmobile oil pan and pickup, 7qt.
More Info: pntv.us/pb_pt_6583
Mr. Gasket: Ultra-Seal Overhaul Gasket set.
More Info: pntv.us/pb_pt_6582
Percy's High Performance,Inc.: SPLIT-LOCK Fasteners - Header Bolts - Black Oxide
More Info: pntv.us/pb_pt_6570
Pioneer Inc.: Harmonic balancer.
More Info: pntv.us/pb_pt_6581
Royal Purple: Royal Purple Break-in Oil.
More Info: pntv.us/pb_pt_6574
Summit Racing: Carburetor, Summit, 750 cfm, Square Bore, 4-Barrel, Manual Choke, Mechanical Secondary.
More Info: pntv.us/pb_pt_6573
Summit Racing: 750 cfm Quadrajet electric choke
More Info: pntv.us/pb_pt_11190
CFR Performance: Tail Chrome Valve Covers
Mondello Tech Center: Machining of block surfaces, align hone crank mains, hone cylinder bores, resize rods, balance rotating assembly, polish crank journals, port cylinder heads, valve angle grind, deburr block casting, install and measure bearing tolerances, install oil restrictors and oil galley plugs, modify timing set, file piston rings and degree camshaft.
Mondello Tech Center: Heat Seeker II-Engine oil additive to eliminate heat & friction during initial break-in of new performance engines.
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Reman. Distributor, Rotor Button, Cap, Capcover, Ignition Coil
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Distributor Hold Down Clamp
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Valley Pan Gasket
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Valve Cover Gaskets
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Head Gaskets (2)
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Hydraulic lifters (16)
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Heater hose 1Ft., Elbow
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Rotella 10W-30
O'Reilly Auto Parts: 1030W O'Reilly Motor Oil (8)
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Dupli-Color Vinyl and Fabric Dye (gray)
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Vinyl and fabric dye
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Prep Wipes (2)
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Cloyes Timing Set
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Water Neck
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Water pump.
Pertronix: Patriot Exhaust Products recently introduced the VaraFlow muffler featuring SFI Technology.

Пікірлер: 895
@PowerNationTV
@PowerNationTV 4 жыл бұрын
We'll continue to post these episodes here on KZfaq. If you can't wait for the rest of the build, visit our site to binge-watch: www.powernationtv.com/shows/horsepower
@luvspus69
@luvspus69 4 жыл бұрын
Paint the waterpump to match the engine.
@djhaloeight
@djhaloeight 4 жыл бұрын
loving these episodes! keep them coming!
@JohnSmith-vq2sy
@JohnSmith-vq2sy 4 жыл бұрын
PowerNation what are the cam spec?
@jlo13800
@jlo13800 4 жыл бұрын
How about a big block 2 stroke olds:www.4btswaps.com/threads/turning-4stroke-into-2-stroke.12888/#lg=thread-12888&slide=0, Thats a sbc but an aluminum olds drce should work for a 2 stroke conversion.
@bigsur175
@bigsur175 4 жыл бұрын
The 455 is not supposed to be gold it's supposed to be blue
@MsMatttheman
@MsMatttheman 4 жыл бұрын
I remember growing up watching these show. So glad they are posting them to youtube now
@Edgar-Friendly
@Edgar-Friendly 4 жыл бұрын
People are cutting out cable but keeping internet. KZfaq is where the people are, and these videos will make more money with ad revenue than they used to make selling the DVDs.
@mrincredible5492
@mrincredible5492 4 жыл бұрын
Think it was on sundays for me good times my pop's and i would watch them eating breakfast in the living room.
@MsMatttheman
@MsMatttheman 4 жыл бұрын
@@mrincredible5492 It was the same thing for me. Dad was the bread winner so when we did get a chance to spend time together this was it on Sunday mornings
@vitopher2944
@vitopher2944 4 жыл бұрын
When were these filmed?
@BADD400
@BADD400 4 жыл бұрын
Vi Topher most 10 years ago
@GospelTenor4Christ
@GospelTenor4Christ 4 жыл бұрын
I miss Joe, he was a legend.
@jasonhall8706
@jasonhall8706 3 жыл бұрын
I went to his head school out in California back in 99'. Joe was a straight shooter with a ton of knowledge and the shop was beautiful. "Keep it moving" he used to say!
@michaelhorgan9525
@michaelhorgan9525 2 жыл бұрын
His son Bernard has his own shop now in Corona.
@gordocarbo
@gordocarbo 10 ай бұрын
@@michaelhorgan9525 anyone take over Joe Shermans shop? Another legend gone
@07terrapin
@07terrapin 2 жыл бұрын
Jet boat applications proved how tough the Olds 455 and Ford 429/460 motors are, run wide open from one end of the lake to the other. Saw quite a few BB Chevys scatter trying to do the same. We used to say the best marine application for a Chevy is use it for an anchor!
@optimusprimer4392
@optimusprimer4392 8 ай бұрын
Hate to break it to you it's not the motor it's the Builder and operator
@derrick1125
@derrick1125 4 жыл бұрын
It's always good to see some people still enjoy a great motor, can't beat an Olds 455
@danmyers9372
@danmyers9372 4 жыл бұрын
Derrick 112 - Old boat refer to the Olds 455 as boat anchors. Sorry, but it was a pig of an engine. Decent torque but very low hp for the cubic inches.
@derrick1125
@derrick1125 4 жыл бұрын
@@danmyers9372 hp don't matter. It's the pull. Got a 68 olds that is amazing. As factory it's torque 500 lbs. Has more then any factory 454.
@karaDee2363
@karaDee2363 2 жыл бұрын
@@danmyers9372 I don't care what old boat says, the olds 455 was the engine of choice in high-performance jet powered boats. I've seen a stock olds 455 blow the doors off supercharged Chevy 454 in the same exact make and model jet boat... jet boats need torque, not horsepower
@sammendoza7168
@sammendoza7168 2 жыл бұрын
@karen fyhr 😂😂😂😂 you’re out of your mind
@davelowets
@davelowets 2 жыл бұрын
@@danmyers9372 Nah... My N/A Olds 505" engine makes 730h.p., 670ft-lbs, pulls hard to 7100-7200 RPMs, and has docile street manners. In fact, the engine is somewhat of a compromise to make it more street friendly, and would make even more power with a cam swap and a larger carburetor. Pig? Boat anchor? Hardly... The car it's in absolutely SMOKES many unsuspecting Chevy's with "boat anchor" B.B.C's in them. I Made a 540 Chevelle look like a 4 cylinder a few weeks ago. When I opened my hood for him after the race, he was speechless. He thought I was seriously joking when I told him there was an Olds motor under there with 35 less cubes than his. If somebody's Olds is a "pig" or a "boat anchor", or they can't successfully make one work, then they have no idea what they are doing with it. It's as simple as that.
@steve19745
@steve19745 4 жыл бұрын
joe taught me a lot i used a lot of his information to build a 468 olds reworked the quadrajet with one of joes kits made a bit over 600hp and almost 600ft lbs of torque it looked almost stock that was 27 years ago damm i miss those days i put that motor in a 71 chevelle it was quite the combo a 455/468 in a chevelle i can say id invest in head studs and a gear drive for this build ! if this motor doesnt get 700hp you guys need to go back to the drawing board ! nice parts
@juliennacer8871
@juliennacer8871 3 жыл бұрын
I doubt it made that kind of power with a stock bottom end.
@BuzzLOLOL
@BuzzLOLOL 2 жыл бұрын
Only made 455 HP from a 461"...
@johnplato4976
@johnplato4976 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, a .060 over 455 equated to 468. Joe did sell stroker kits/combos good for 480+ c.i. Some were sold as motor home upgrades using the original GMC 230 & 260 designated chassis. Since the majority of Olds 455 blocks were limited to .060 over bores, the stroked versions gave a still under square engine for lower rpm torque.
@chrismigl27
@chrismigl27 3 жыл бұрын
Had to add a comment to get away from that evil number. RIP Joe you are definitely a legend and pioneer for us Olds guys
@md_randoms2429
@md_randoms2429 2 жыл бұрын
Did Joe die?
@Blacked_OutMedia
@Blacked_OutMedia 3 жыл бұрын
So just found out that at 16 years old my grandfather has a 1967 Olds 442 with the 455 rocket in it rotting into the ground with a tarp on it. I’m gonna take it and build it over these next few years and have my dream car
@timothythomas8024
@timothythomas8024 4 жыл бұрын
Hogging out the heads then putting on a untouched intake has me scratching my head.
@ethanhessong3033
@ethanhessong3033 4 жыл бұрын
Not to mention that the intake is pretty low profile
@makingcash4life
@makingcash4life 3 жыл бұрын
Not to mention a flat tappet cam. My goodness these guys probably left a good 100 horse on the table with a solid roller cam and a port match high rise intake.
@BuzzLOLOL
@BuzzLOLOL 3 жыл бұрын
HP peak way down at 4700 RPMs has me scratching my ass... no sign of cam spec.s... Near stock Performer intake on hyper Performer RPM heads...
@BuzzLOLOL
@BuzzLOLOL 2 жыл бұрын
OK... Look closely 00:47 re-using stock flat tappet cam... 4700 RPMs HP peak...
@johnplato4976
@johnplato4976 2 жыл бұрын
Back in the early days of 455 building, there wasn't alot of choices to go with. Edelbrock had the O4B dual plane, a step up from the stock c i. intake & Offenhauser had a tunnel ram & a single/ dual quad version which helped airflow to the c.i. stock A-F heads. Mondello was THE king of Olds heads modifications to help make those intakes to work.
@saintblamo
@saintblamo 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome episode, great show. This needs to be back on TV.
@dsiner1obslifedziner157
@dsiner1obslifedziner157 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome 455 big block,thanks for sharing.
@garageworm17
@garageworm17 4 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you guys post these I can now show my kids the just werr I learned a good part of my car knowledge thank you
@DonXXXPrince
@DonXXXPrince Жыл бұрын
I always wanted to see this 455 bulit up nice thank you PN.
@JoeCubicle
@JoeCubicle 4 жыл бұрын
From a production standpoint, these guys are TOP NOTCH video producers. Even vloggers (like I used to be) should watch and learn from the production staff that make these videos. Volume levels = Perfect! I'm not riding the volume control. Information flow = Perfect! Concise and to the point. I could go on and on but my food is ready. Later.
@CuttykiddW
@CuttykiddW 4 жыл бұрын
Im glad to see oldsmobile get a lil love on this show been watching this on sat morning every weekend for yrs go old s 🚀🚀🚀
@charlesdefrancisco5056
@charlesdefrancisco5056 4 жыл бұрын
You may want to check your math..joe bored the cylinders .030 over increasing the cubic displacement to I think about 468 so keep tuning
@sterlingarcher8441
@sterlingarcher8441 4 жыл бұрын
461 Charles.. 468 is .060
@gordowg1wg145
@gordowg1wg145 4 жыл бұрын
@@sterlingarcher8441 Beat me :-) More exactly 454.6, 461.2 and 467.9 CID respectively.
@cutty-mg3kf
@cutty-mg3kf 4 жыл бұрын
@@gordowg1wg145 beat me my name is cutty468 lol
@steve19745
@steve19745 4 жыл бұрын
mine was 060 / 468 over , it ran for 4 years up until i sold the chevelle i had it in those were the days
@BuzzLOLOL
@BuzzLOLOL 4 жыл бұрын
Yep, not quite one HP per cube yet...
@ScrewySquid
@ScrewySquid 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that you guys showed when you goofed up a bit. It shows that youre human and can make mistakes.
@wakjob961
@wakjob961 4 жыл бұрын
Nice to see that things aren't always perfect first time out for TV... The trouble shooting is the BEST part of these dyno runs.
@mikehunt9894
@mikehunt9894 3 жыл бұрын
A good Qjet may be better... Oldsmobile engines seem to just love em.
@Crysmatic
@Crysmatic 4 жыл бұрын
750 carb works fine on a single plane intake manifold. You want to almost double that for a dual plane manifold. Each cylinder is now only breathing through half the carb. Dominator 1150 :)
@davidoutdoors74
@davidoutdoors74 2 жыл бұрын
Great freakin channel guys. I love when you tear down the 5.3 junkyard find. I did a 350 to a 383 stroker in my 1987 formula. The TPI loves the new powerhouse.
@warrenzevonsangryghost6055
@warrenzevonsangryghost6055 4 жыл бұрын
VACUUM ADVANCE: Disappointed to see two supposedly 'pro' engine builders thinking that a leaky vacuum advance hose is going to steal all their horsepower. At 12:15, he says he's found the problem, in that the leaky hose is 'preventing the distributor from pulling full advance' and insinuating that this is the root issue why they are missing some 100+ hp. Perhaps we should review how & when vacuum advance works and what it's for. (Please forgive the following cut-n-paste from an article I wrote some years ago for a local gearhead newsletter) -Two advance mechanisms in most older points type and HEI distributors: mechanical advance and vacuum advance. Mechanical simply relies on engine speed to fling weights around and cause the rotor to pivot a bit opposite the normal direction of rotation and allow the spark to be advanced. Most mechanical advance setups provide about 25° to 35° of total advance (total = initial idle advance setting + the mechanical advance provided at engine speed), generally all in by 3400 rpm or thereabouts. -The vacuum advance works strictly on engine vacuum (either ported vacuum [vacuum above the throttle plates] or manifold vacuum taken straight from the intake manifold...ported vacuum was a BS emissions trick that didn't work worth a crap, so 60's and early 70's muscle cars and engines used manifold vacuum almost exclusively...the ported vacuum engines were mostly mid-to-late 70's and early 80's). Engines only have any appreciable vacuum at idle and small throttle openings, so there's your hint as to 'when' the vacuum advance will be functional. -To dig deeper, know that the ease with which an air-fuel mixture ignites and the speed at which it burns is closely related to how rich or lean the mixture is. A richer mixture lights quickly and burns fast (within reason...a super-rich mix will soak the spark plug and cause a miss). A lean mixture is harder to light and burns slower. If we're talking about a track-only vehicle here, with a big cam that allows little idle vacuum and where the car is being thrashed almost constantly, a vacuum advance is never given a chance to do anything or the engine is incapable of generating any appreciable vacuum. The distributors on many older racing engines don't even have provisions for a vacuum advance canister. -But any car that is regularly driven on the street needs that vacuum advance. Why? Smoother idle, for one (at least with manifold vacuum...ported vacuum setups have no vacuum advance at idle, so their idle might be sucky, especially on a built engine). But the real reason is at highway speed...cruising. Tooling down the road at 60 mph, the throttle is barely open, so the mixture is very lean...which is fine. We don't need a lot of power to cruise down the road. But, if all we have for advance is the 30° to 35° from the mechanical advance, we're getting a crap burn from that lean mixture. It's lighting way too late, and can even cause header & exhaust manifolds to glow cherry-red, as the burn is happening so late it's completing in the heads' exhaust passage and even downstream from there. That's power that is not being used to propel a piston down the bore. That's big power lost and fuel wasted. -So the obvious answer is to use the available vacuum that we get at cruising speed to further advance the timing. The advance unit simply has a rubber diaphragm that connects to an arm that pulls on the breaker plate (or the plate that the HEI triggers are mounted to) and the plate rotates around the center to provide an earlier trigger for the spark. A vacuum advance unit can advance the timing 20° to 25° beyond what the mechanical advance is capable of. So yes, bopping down the highway on a lazy day can mean the timing might be advanced as much as 55° or even more. Lean mixtures under little load can take big chunks of advance with no pinging/detonation issues. Stomp on the throttle, and the intake reverts back to atmospheric pressure pretty much instantly, and timing drops back to whatever the mechanical advance supplies, and no pinging (as long as your fuel doesn't suck). And when it comes to fill-up time, your wallet will thank you. (end article) So you can see why the assertion that a bad vacuum advance hose is stealing horsepower on the dyno is a silly one. The only time there's any vacuum in this case is at idle...the rest of the time the throttle is WFO trying to make lots of dyno horsepower and manifold vacuum is non-existent. Worst-case scenario is they mighta leaned the mixture a tad, but a small vacuum leak like that isn't going to screw you out of 100+ hp. Anyway, sorry for the freaking book here...just seems that with newer cars everywhere no one remembers (or ever knew) what vacuum advance was for or how it works. ✌-out
@slopoke22
@slopoke22 4 жыл бұрын
So much little shit like that flies under radar to most people!
@gazza116
@gazza116 4 жыл бұрын
no vacuum at full throttle.
@kevintucker3354
@kevintucker3354 4 жыл бұрын
Duh! And at least one of these guys is old enough to remember this! I don’t know, it is a tv show, maybe they’re actors reading a script?
@warrenzevonsangryghost6055
@warrenzevonsangryghost6055 4 жыл бұрын
Understand that I'm not intending to disparage these gentlemen. Tired, late, frustrated, looking for the source of problems and you find something and run with it without thinking it through.
@timsharpe3498
@timsharpe3498 4 жыл бұрын
The only way the vacuum advance would work at WOT is if you connected it to ported vacuum. When it’s connected to manifold vacuum even moderate throttle (under a load) will not produce enough vacuum to move the advance.
@superkillr
@superkillr 4 жыл бұрын
1hp per cube don't take into account the overbore.
@wyattyeary8050
@wyattyeary8050 4 жыл бұрын
Underrated comment
@doon714
@doon714 4 жыл бұрын
Their Is not anything special about this motor, The dual plane Intake Is killing this motor to, The 455 ranged from 250 ho to 400 from the factory, So say it was a 350 hp stock It picked up over 100 hp and that's not bad at all.
@ethanhessong3033
@ethanhessong3033 4 жыл бұрын
(4.156÷2)sq x pi x 4.250 x 8 = *461.23 ci*
@fartsare2023
@fartsare2023 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@wymple09
@wymple09 4 жыл бұрын
I had a 425 Olds in a 66 that was flogged hard and regularly. Toughest big bore engine I ever saw.
@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259
@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 3 жыл бұрын
425 had a forged crank. Yep, tough as nails.
@ckryses3962
@ckryses3962 3 жыл бұрын
Well in one video, reviewer told Hurst engines weren't that strong as compared to others!
@johnplato4976
@johnplato4976 2 жыл бұрын
ALSO there was typically more cylinder wall thickness to accept a max overbore engine. Getting the EARLY non-Toronado 425 "D" blocks was the key using the normal.842 lifter bore size. If I remember right, all 425's were forged steel cranks & rods. Like a 427 Chevy bb, the engine loved to rev with the under square bore/stroke combo. The major probkem was keeping the majority of the oil down at the crank. Joe remedied the problem with oil restrictors in the main oiling passage to the crank to maximize the flow of oil to the bottom end, thus saving many bottom ends from oil starvation along with higher volume & pressure oil pumps.
@waugy370z8
@waugy370z8 4 жыл бұрын
What a torque monster. I love big blocks!!
@jlo13800
@jlo13800 4 жыл бұрын
Make a 2 stroke out of an aluminum DRCE like this SBC:www.4btswaps.com/threads/turning-4stroke-into-2-stroke.12888/#lg=thread-12888&slide=0
@GospelTenor4Christ
@GospelTenor4Christ 4 жыл бұрын
Those olds are clean, compact, and simple.
@jimcatanzaro7808
@jimcatanzaro7808 2 жыл бұрын
This is why the 442 was a hemi killer back in the day
@BigUnk85
@BigUnk85 2 ай бұрын
🧢🧢🧢
@hoost3056
@hoost3056 16 күн бұрын
Nope. They were quick but not Hemi killer status. Give that to the Buick 455 Stage I
@patmcbride9853
@patmcbride9853 4 жыл бұрын
Nice to see that things don't always go smoothly.
@tbxtroll
@tbxtroll 4 жыл бұрын
amazing mechanical skills great video
@anthonyr1080
@anthonyr1080 4 жыл бұрын
TIMING (vacuum advance) and VALVE adjustment (pre pump lifters) After 30 years Still finding same old mistakes!
@jakemichael8586
@jakemichael8586 4 жыл бұрын
glad you spotted the rooky mistakes. cam brake in is best with 2500 rpm plus!! as for timing i static time the engine and i pr-curve the dizzy so i no the total as well as base timing the instant it fires and use manifold vacuum on the distributor to get more idle vacuum as well as a cooler idel. then i fine tune using a vacuum gauge along with sum wide open throttle blasts. pull the plugs and take a reading.
@BuzzLOLOL
@BuzzLOLOL 2 жыл бұрын
Worse: Look closely 00:47 re-using stock flat tappet cam... 4700 RPMs HP peak...
@SkypowerwithKarl
@SkypowerwithKarl 4 жыл бұрын
I had a one on theses on a jet boat in the mid seventies when I was a kid and gas was cheap. It was said to be high performance 390 horsepower. I don’t how many thousands of gallons of gas I put through it and most of it at WOT. When I sold it, it smoked a bit at start, probably valve guides. It had a Holly spread bore 750 double pumper on it when it came from factory. The only problem I had was the fuel pump had a check valve the would at random times hang up and loose pressure. That drove me crazy because it would work when you tried diagnose. The only mod was a rev limiter so I didn’t have to lift between waves. Dam I beat the heck out of it......and it lived.
@shalas1967
@shalas1967 4 жыл бұрын
great show some much info cheers guys
@MikesTrackBuilding
@MikesTrackBuilding 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting these. So hard to find here in Australia
@md_randoms2429
@md_randoms2429 2 жыл бұрын
Well Australia is the only place with ford barra motors, makes us Americans pretty jealous
@DiegoSanchez-gz7mw
@DiegoSanchez-gz7mw 4 жыл бұрын
Great video 👍👍
@permafrost2064
@permafrost2064 4 жыл бұрын
I wish i could get a dyno tune like this on my 383. It would be awesome to learn and trouble shoot with the dyno data and these guys experience.
@ls6-ss413
@ls6-ss413 4 жыл бұрын
Man that red looks horrid on those seats🤢
@msgofast
@msgofast 4 жыл бұрын
And all over the floor..
@fredmendez4837
@fredmendez4837 4 жыл бұрын
Who told him that looked good???
@fuzzy11901
@fuzzy11901 4 жыл бұрын
I’m not too sure myself but first thought was same omg that not attractive at all ....
@daviderickson9445
@daviderickson9445 4 жыл бұрын
The blue tape even looked better.
@SvenTviking
@SvenTviking 4 жыл бұрын
2.24, an adjustable wrench? Seriously? 😳🤯
@chrisj1982
@chrisj1982 4 жыл бұрын
Had one of these mean things in our jet boat and it was sick
@TeamJesus515
@TeamJesus515 4 жыл бұрын
Whisker biscuit? More than cubic inches on your mind.
@waugy370z8
@waugy370z8 4 жыл бұрын
Those header bolts are sweet!!!!
@dapoppa2256
@dapoppa2256 4 жыл бұрын
I had one of these on a 69 Vista Cruiser...HOLY SMOKES!! Turbo 400 trans and Posi rear...it was a real beast..lots of fun to drive. 250K later my brother took it apart to rebuild it it was in good spec and still had honing marks on the cylinder walls. Great motor!!! TORQUE GALORE. He has put it is several cars over the years, he says he will never get rid of that block. One more thing these are getting hard to find in Bone Yards...Nothing else sounds like a 455!! The only thing I would do different is go with a twin turbo, on Natural gas..That would go to 500HP.
@joebuzz2758
@joebuzz2758 Жыл бұрын
Had a 70 olds 98 455 rated low at 390hp 510 lbs ft of tourqe. Stock olds rocks.
@Westhelockpicker
@Westhelockpicker 9 ай бұрын
I had a 455 in a 79 olds and it was a big sleeper! It had torque for days
@strictlybusiness1598
@strictlybusiness1598 4 жыл бұрын
Considering these engines were rated between 275 and 400 horsepower in stock form the 456 hp/ 537 lb-ft of torque was a good number for this mild build on a vintage muscle car engine. Nicely done.
@fredmendez4837
@fredmendez4837 4 жыл бұрын
In 1970, they made over 400 hp stock...this had crank balancing, head and intake swap plus headers....seems like 475 should've been a little more respectable target...considering the engine is limited in upgrades...
@americanfamiliesfirst2790
@americanfamiliesfirst2790 2 жыл бұрын
If you guys used a torker intake, you could've got the 500 a lot faster.
@randy944
@randy944 4 жыл бұрын
the intake manifold is holding it back
@brightstarlastname2812
@brightstarlastname2812 4 жыл бұрын
The camshaft too. The one used, would be better in a small block 350-403CI.
@michaelhorgan9525
@michaelhorgan9525 4 жыл бұрын
There was an update many years later and they did upgrade the camshaft and the intake and it made a bit more power.
@markperry2827
@markperry2827 4 жыл бұрын
@@brightstarlastname2812 I was amazed Joe did not make them put an Engle cam.
@lamontwhitehead1809
@lamontwhitehead1809 3 жыл бұрын
Needs a Air Gap intake
@juliennacer8871
@juliennacer8871 3 жыл бұрын
@@lamontwhitehead1809 that is an rpm airgap
@rlbeardsley6022
@rlbeardsley6022 Жыл бұрын
And another thing! As my old high school janitor once said, when I asked him if he wanted to drag his ‘65 Impala against my dad’s olds 98, he said, “Oldsmobile? SHEEEEEEIT!” LOL
@BigUnk85
@BigUnk85 4 жыл бұрын
Those same mods on a 454 Chevy would be well over 500 hp. They did the 454 with stock heads and low compression pistons and made 408 hp. Then they installed dome pistols aluminum heads roller cam and had over 600 hp.
@member5488
@member5488 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, BBCs pretty well crush every other GM big block. Frankly, there's no reason to build any GM engine besides LS variants and BBCs over 572 unless you just have to have a matching brand motor for a mild build.
@TheFormula350
@TheFormula350 4 жыл бұрын
@@member5488 the aftermarket really caters to the sbc/ bbc crowd. In terms of aftermarket support no other engine platform has access to as many good parts. In any N/A application cylinder heads are for the most part the deciding factor in terms of peak hp n compared to Buick Olds n Pontiac the options are endless for sbc n bbc.
@camgnilpe9300
@camgnilpe9300 4 жыл бұрын
frankly you should try to keep your head out of your ass and mind your own fucking business.opinions are like assholes member 548.
@md_randoms2429
@md_randoms2429 2 жыл бұрын
Big block Chevrolets definitely make more power but the olds mobiles engines seam like torque monsters
@alanmeyers3957
@alanmeyers3957 2 ай бұрын
It’s got a lot to do with the stroke arrangement with the olds.
@brandonhumphries3377
@brandonhumphries3377 4 жыл бұрын
That flat performer intake is killing that engine
@818bulldog4
@818bulldog4 4 жыл бұрын
great shows!!!!!!
@rightsidelanechoice7702
@rightsidelanechoice7702 4 жыл бұрын
The best way to adjust valves hydraulic or solid is to roll the crank over, go from cylinder to cylinder and as each intake valve starts to close you adjust the exhaust valve and then when the exhaust valve begins to open you adjust the intake valve. If you have a lot of overlap it ensures your on base circle.
@wokewokerman5280
@wokewokerman5280 Жыл бұрын
....nice work gents, would have like to see what springs and force you spec'd/went with...thanks for this vid!
@3800TURBO
@3800TURBO 4 жыл бұрын
Those front covers should stay loose until the balancer is on as if its not square the balancer seal will leak.
@diannmeowers1778
@diannmeowers1778 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@montycrain5783
@montycrain5783 Жыл бұрын
I’d love to see a test with a single plane intake and a Holley Dominator. It still seems about 50 horsepower low.
@gordocarbo
@gordocarbo 10 ай бұрын
or a well setup tunnel ram and solid flat tappet
@backyardbuilttrucks1
@backyardbuilttrucks1 4 жыл бұрын
Edelbrock heads you better take them apart cause the guides will leak. And never pump up any howards / morel roller lifters . or any anti pump up lifters . VR1 Valvoline high zinc and a bottle of zinc additive. Never had a cam issue and break in cam vary the rpm every 5 minutes for 30 minutes from 2000 to 2700 rpm. Like 2200 , 2400 , 2500 , 2700 then back down. So oil is slung off crank at different angles onto the camshaft.
@doon714
@doon714 4 жыл бұрын
And no one cares about your stupid comment either hotep........ And he never said oil Is sprayed from the crankshaft, Like to old saying goes, Some kids are better seen and not hard from.
@charlescroney7109
@charlescroney7109 2 жыл бұрын
Love my Oldsmobiles and I put a 455olds in a 77nova rally SS and you talking about badass, it was a bone stock engine and we raced a guy who had a short bed Ford pickup and he had a big block in it and over$4000, dollars in high performance parts and the nova blowed the doors off the Ford 🤣🤣🤣
@adamcosta4610
@adamcosta4610 4 жыл бұрын
OLDS POWER for the WIN!
@2001pontiacta
@2001pontiacta 4 жыл бұрын
I remember watching these guys when I was 18, they had 3 guys on this show. I remember when Mike join there show and they did the “pocket rocket” the Honda Civic. Along with many other cool cars they had built. Love this show! Wish Stacey David was back on under the”Trucks” he used to build.
@ImTheJoker4u
@ImTheJoker4u 4 жыл бұрын
He has a new show, and website called “Gearz”.
@2001pontiacta
@2001pontiacta 4 жыл бұрын
John Ulicky yes, I like the show(Gearz) but think trucks was better, just my opinion. I wish he’d show gears was a few hours long! I could watch Stacey David building and work on stuff for hours! He knows his stuff and has just crazy ideas!
@lifewithmarleyandjon4616
@lifewithmarleyandjon4616 4 жыл бұрын
Mike and Joe are the best on Powerblock! I've been watching this since its inception.
@ronstanleyhunt1135
@ronstanleyhunt1135 2 жыл бұрын
EVERYTHING WAS GOING SO WELL UNTIL THAT SUMMIT 750 CARB CAME OUT
@vendediesel
@vendediesel 4 жыл бұрын
These fine gentlemen are artists. They just need more episodes that revolve around using EFI. I die a little bit inside every time I see them do these wonderful builds and then strap a carb on top.
@thereluctantgearhead4544
@thereluctantgearhead4544 4 жыл бұрын
Ain't you the superior one...
@thereluctantgearhead4544
@thereluctantgearhead4544 4 жыл бұрын
Guess you just can't figure that old school shit out. Maybe you should give it a try.
@vendediesel
@vendediesel 4 жыл бұрын
I grew up on both. There is no guesswork with a computer when you know what you are doing. It's how Ford designed the new 7.3. Grow up.
@superkillr
@superkillr 4 жыл бұрын
This shit is 10 years old. It's not like putting a Holley Sniper or FiTech like nowadays. Plus for easy break in on very sensitive flat tappet cams, the carb RULES!!
@thereluctantgearhead4544
@thereluctantgearhead4544 4 жыл бұрын
@@vendediesel Ive built engines for a living for the last 35+yrs, I believe I'm grown, boy....
@kylestewart8049
@kylestewart8049 4 жыл бұрын
Hell YA! Way to stick with it 😎👍
@4682felipe
@4682felipe 2 жыл бұрын
Man i love the kids drive had to get it done ✔
@whathappened2230
@whathappened2230 4 жыл бұрын
+30 is 461 on the 455 Olds. It needs an advance curve kit,a 4-hole 2" spacer on that intake and a 800 cfm webber afb carb. Use the C casting heads if you can find any,and port like Joe. You will have about 505 hp and over 600 tq. This engine ruined my 85 Cutless with the tq twist. It actually popped my rear window out on a hard launch. Use a chain to the frame rail from the head or it will break the engine mount. Have fun folks!
@BuzzLOLOL
@BuzzLOLOL 2 жыл бұрын
This build 00:47 re-using stock flat tappet cam... 4700 RPMs HP peak...
@zxtenn
@zxtenn 3 жыл бұрын
I had a 427/425 BBC and always set timing at full advance about 2500 rpm not at idle, used to have one of those tapes' you would put around the balancer, seemed 36-38 was fine
@ericanderson4441
@ericanderson4441 3 жыл бұрын
You don't pick up 20+hp because of "cool dry air", unless you're using uncorrected numbers, which aren't repeatable. They fudged they dyno correction just enough to get the 1hp per cube, so it doesn't look bad.
@skeggjoldgunnr3167
@skeggjoldgunnr3167 Жыл бұрын
One HP / CI used to be THE elusive ultimate dream target goal of ALL hot rod engine builders with the normally aspirated. Today? - Many ways to get there! With the same block and rotating assembly practically. I bought an Olds '98 brand new off the showroom in 1972. Drove it 6 or 7 times then put it in storage for some years while overseas, came back to it just in time for the gas crunch. Had a '76 VW bus. YUP! An Olds 455 in a pretty VW bus that everyone thought they would pass. nope. nope. HA! The honking they did when they didn't get the results they expected.
@TheRoguelement
@TheRoguelement 2 жыл бұрын
I can tell you guys one thing the Olds 455 makes a really great Tractor motor for pulling blades across your lower 40 and when done makes a great Boat anchor...
@russphoto
@russphoto 4 жыл бұрын
Wasn't gold for the small blocks? 330's 350's etc. Blue for the big blocks.....
@jeffflaig362
@jeffflaig362 4 жыл бұрын
Red for some early 425 big blocks bronze for 68 to 72 big blocks blue after that
@russphoto
@russphoto 4 жыл бұрын
@@jeffflaig362 Soooo only Gold for small blocks.
@camgnilpe9300
@camgnilpe9300 4 жыл бұрын
WTF who gives a rats ass what color the FUCKING engine is? DUMB FUCK HEADS!
@johnringel9892
@johnringel9892 4 жыл бұрын
330, and 350 were gold. 400 were bronze. 425 were red. 455 were red in 68, and 69. Then 455 were blue from 70 on thru 76.
@fredmendez4837
@fredmendez4837 4 жыл бұрын
Blue started after 74 or 75...350 and 455 were both gold before and blue after...had 71 and 75 Toro with 455 and cutlasses with 350...ten bolts in valve covers on gold engines...five bolts in blue...technically speaking, no such thing as small block/big block olds...engine blocks are same size...different bores and strokes...
@jmurphy1973
@jmurphy1973 4 жыл бұрын
They've got a different definition of "whisker biscuit" than I do...
@stevenbeasley24
@stevenbeasley24 4 жыл бұрын
Same here.
@josuepaz9446
@josuepaz9446 4 жыл бұрын
What does it mean ?
@jmurphy1973
@jmurphy1973 4 жыл бұрын
@@josuepaz9446 the muff, a woman's crotch, the bush Apparently, it's something used in bow hunting but of all bow hunters I know, I've never heard that term used
@kevintucker3354
@kevintucker3354 4 жыл бұрын
Mmm, now I’m hungry...thanks bro.
@CHESTURCH
@CHESTURCH 4 жыл бұрын
I have a whisker biskit arrow rest on my bow. I use it when im elk hunting. I have never heard anyone call a hoo haw that... so basically he said to the other guy, "You ready pussy?"
@louf7178
@louf7178 3 жыл бұрын
Good video. Did you go back to the smaller carburetor?
@hotrodray6802
@hotrodray6802 4 жыл бұрын
No vacuum at wide open throttle boys.😨
@sidecarbod1441
@sidecarbod1441 4 жыл бұрын
12:06 The first thing they teach you school is that the vac system plays no part in the ignition timing at WOT but it is very important for part throttle driving.
@JDWard-Jeepster
@JDWard-Jeepster 4 жыл бұрын
You guys being Chevy everything don't seem to understand that a Olds 455 is a long stroke torque motor. This is why they are so popular in jet boats.
@joeshmoe7967
@joeshmoe7967 2 жыл бұрын
My very first car was a '72 Olds Delta 88, 455 4 barrel. Great car, but a little hard on Gas.....
@coachklein2005
@coachklein2005 Жыл бұрын
I trust him building my engine now that dedication 🎉
@Jerrodplanck
@Jerrodplanck 4 жыл бұрын
"I'm not showing you what we do." As he puts the lifter he just pre pumped into the motor...
@mickeymang6
@mickeymang6 4 жыл бұрын
🤣😂
@BigDaddy-fx4nx
@BigDaddy-fx4nx 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah but they said it has solid lifters?????? This is total BS.
@attitudeadjusted9027
@attitudeadjusted9027 4 жыл бұрын
@@BigDaddy-fx4nx no actually he said it was a hydraulic roller.
@warrenzevonsangryghost6055
@warrenzevonsangryghost6055 4 жыл бұрын
@@attitudeadjusted9027 4:02 He says "we've been soaking our Comp hydraulic lifters...." Nothing about rollers or solid, and of course you can see for yourself that he has flat tappet lifters in his hand.
@mattperkins7038
@mattperkins7038 4 жыл бұрын
For the record don’t pump up your hydraulic lifters
@1980bwc
@1980bwc 4 жыл бұрын
Someone needs to fill him in on what a Whisker Biscuit really is! Lol
@skylinefever
@skylinefever 3 жыл бұрын
4:30 Some people apply a vacuum pump to the oil container. That makes the job go much more quickly. 11:37 Actually it would need to be a little more than 455. I'm not sure what overbore this engine has, but it has resulted in more cubes.
@lelandlewis7207
@lelandlewis7207 4 жыл бұрын
If you look at your dyno sheet, engine torque is in lb-ft, not ft-lbs. ft-lbs is twisting torque used on bolts, lb-Ft is a measure of work capability.
@BigDaddy-fx4nx
@BigDaddy-fx4nx 4 жыл бұрын
People misuse those terms all the time.
@philh4257
@philh4257 4 жыл бұрын
Does leaving the water pump without paint to rust increase HP?
@spartynation355
@spartynation355 4 жыл бұрын
This engine would likely pick up 25 hp and as much torque with an air gap intake vs the performer, would like to see the comparison
@Torch4Life
@Torch4Life 4 жыл бұрын
Even a Torker would most likely help.
@stvwds61
@stvwds61 3 жыл бұрын
Shaving down the divider a half inch or so in the intake would likely give 10-20hp also.
@BuzzLOLOL
@BuzzLOLOL 2 жыл бұрын
Not likely... small cam, low compression ratio...
@BuzzLOLOL
@BuzzLOLOL 2 жыл бұрын
Look closely 00:47 re-using stock flat tappet cam... 4700 RPMs HP peak...
@spartynation355
@spartynation355 2 жыл бұрын
@@BuzzLOLOL he said hydraulic roller not flat tappet like stock
@chuckhursch5374
@chuckhursch5374 4 жыл бұрын
Do I still see rust in the block water jackets? Thought all that would get cleaned out
@camgnilpe9300
@camgnilpe9300 4 жыл бұрын
don't look and don't think it might help you to keep your head out of your asshole! good luck there chuck!
@jradish
@jradish 4 жыл бұрын
@@camgnilpe9300 shut up
@geoman51270
@geoman51270 4 жыл бұрын
Rocket power!!!
@raphialhebert
@raphialhebert 3 жыл бұрын
I love watching your guys' videos, but why would you install components on painted surfaces?
@dominicdaley5702
@dominicdaley5702 4 жыл бұрын
What a coincidence. Posted on my birthday and I also own a 69 Cutlass with a 455 😁
@ViperSRTnACR
@ViperSRTnACR 4 жыл бұрын
Well happy birthday from a fellow car guy. 🎂 🔧
@dominicdaley5702
@dominicdaley5702 4 жыл бұрын
@@ViperSRTnACR Thanks man 👍
@shepss217
@shepss217 4 жыл бұрын
How many off the shelf part motors will you guys build? Make some real power one day
@Razorfish
@Razorfish 4 жыл бұрын
I had this motor in my 65 Cutlass back in the late 80's. I had so much trouble getting the rubber seal under the front of the intake manifold stay in. Seemed like once a month I was putting in a new one. Now you guys don't even use a rubber seal. I wish that silicone existed back then. Or maybe it did and I just didn't know about it.
@peteloomis8456
@peteloomis8456 4 жыл бұрын
Silicone was around then lol .
@MrMrwilem
@MrMrwilem Жыл бұрын
Had a summit branded dist do that and had the reluctor slipping on the shaft, drove me crazy for a week.
@gordocarbo
@gordocarbo 10 ай бұрын
have a summit brand msd and light bounces all over the place no idea why. Doesnt miss . Shoulda got a good HEI in the beginning
@177SCmaro
@177SCmaro 4 жыл бұрын
Um... a small vacume leak at the distributor isn't going to effect timing at WOT...you know, when there is almost no vacume. It will lean the engine out slightly though, depending on were the vacume is sourced.
@blackericdenice
@blackericdenice 4 жыл бұрын
4:00 hot coolant run through the intake so it’s going be hot anyway.
@zachutson7205
@zachutson7205 4 жыл бұрын
How do you deep clean fox body seats? I have the same seats just need a good cleaning
@SSGTA440
@SSGTA440 4 жыл бұрын
Whoa....stock 455 W 30 supposedly makes 370 horsepower...what cam did they run? Not sure I caught that..Those Edelbrock heads had huge valves....2.19 Int and were they 1.84? exhausts? Hmm, yeah, that manifold could be suspect. Many years ago I built a 455 +.030, stock "C" casting heads, Lunati .570 lift solid cam, with 255 degree @ .050 , 2 inch Hooker headers 800 Holley D.P. Q-jet replacement carb, (spread bore) on an Edelbrock single plane intake. With stock 10.5 to 1 compression, the motor made 485 horses....(don't recall torque). Ran 11.50's at 117 with a 9 inch tire in a 68 Cutlass...
@BuzzLOLOL
@BuzzLOLOL 2 жыл бұрын
00:47 re-using stock cam... 4700 RPMs HP peak...
@montecappaletti2613
@montecappaletti2613 4 жыл бұрын
VERY COOL
@skeggjoldgunnr3167
@skeggjoldgunnr3167 Жыл бұрын
Build an Olds 455 for torque. ALL torque. A mild dual pattern marine cam for daily driver, not attracting attention. Injectors and velocity stacks, not a big carb. Higher compression ratio while you're at it. Now gear it 272:1. The busted gear teeth and twisted drivetrain can be dealt with AFTER. Torque is what you FEEL everyday. It's the fun. And the biggest reward of this build? GREAT fuel economy if you aint nailin' it all the time. Surprise!
@demonic477
@demonic477 4 жыл бұрын
a few years ago I I watched a engine shop trying to get 500 HP out of a lightly built Olds 455 and they had the same intake as this one . they were struggling to get it over the 495 hp mark tell the old man who runs the shop had the idea to use the stock Olds aluminum intake the engine had from the factory. it turned out it had bigger runners and better flow then the fancy modern one. the engine ended up making 525 hp after they changed the new intake for the crusty old one still in the factory gold paint. the owner of the engine was very happy about the power numbers but still had them put the shiny intake on the engine and kept the crusty one for later some people .
@md_randoms2429
@md_randoms2429 2 жыл бұрын
Was the engine N/A?
@tg12121212
@tg12121212 4 жыл бұрын
no dyno graph to show for all that. thumbs down. peak numbers are not the entire story.
@Terror141lbs
@Terror141lbs 3 жыл бұрын
Where did you get the splash gaurd for the lifter valley?
@TMB247
@TMB247 4 жыл бұрын
Painting seats "Rinse and repeat every 6 months" I will live with what I have that has lasted many years even though it does not "pop" If I really want a change ... replace the cover
@vxnova1
@vxnova1 4 жыл бұрын
Great show, thanks for sharing, When was this recorded ?
@danmyers9372
@danmyers9372 4 жыл бұрын
vxnova1 - I would guess around 10 years ago.
@danmyers9372
@danmyers9372 4 жыл бұрын
vxnova1 - Mondello passed in 2011 as a reference point.
Incredible magic 🤯✨
00:53
America's Got Talent
Рет қаралды 64 МЛН
아이스크림으로 체감되는 요즘 물가
00:16
진영민yeongmin
Рет қаралды 52 МЛН
Big Block Wars! 454 Chevy vs 455 Pontiac vs 455 Olds vs 451 Mopar! From Lucore Automotive
39:12
Chevy 454 Vs. Ford 460 Throwdown - Horsepower S13, E13
17:43
POWERNATION
Рет қаралды 1,8 МЛН
Edelbrock VS Iron - Rocket 350 on the Dyno!
14:14
Nick's Garage
Рет қаралды 664 М.
How To Build A Hot Pontiac 455 for Pump Gas - Horsepower S4, E20
21:28
First generation Oldsmobile rocket engine family
9:29
What it’s like
Рет қаралды 26 М.
The Facts on Oldsmobile Engine Oiling & Oil Restrictors
11:50
Junk Dump
Рет қаралды 18 М.
OLDSMOBILE V8 ENGINE HISTORY
41:51
Myvintageiron7512
Рет қаралды 63 М.
Тема BMW M5 CS закрыта #shorts
0:53
Level Performance
Рет қаралды 635 М.
Trafik Işığını Yönetmek #shorts
0:18
Osman Kabadayı
Рет қаралды 15 МЛН
Ninja H2 Moto Tourist Bogey Biker Highlights -Ride4 Isle Of Man Drive Motorcycle Race Crashes #crash
0:20
СЕКРЕТ AMG ВЫХЛОПА РАСКРЫТ #shorts
0:58
Мистер Глушитель
Рет қаралды 1,4 МЛН