Dyno Testing Our Mondello 455 Olds Big Block - HorsePower S13, E8

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POWERNATION 2

POWERNATION 2

3 жыл бұрын

After launching their classic Olds 455 engine build at the homebase of "Dr. Olds", Joe Mondello - Joe and Mike finish their buildup and test results on the engine dyno. Plus, another budget-friendly tech tip.

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@mcwbadass
@mcwbadass 4 ай бұрын
R.I.P. Joe Mondello.. a true master.
@dntn9634
@dntn9634 3 жыл бұрын
I remember a couple of cars back in the early 70's that had nothing else added but a set of Mondello Heads. One was an SS Chevelle that smoked everything on the street. Mondello Heads were the top of the food chain in those days...
@olddirtybastardgarage
@olddirtybastardgarage Жыл бұрын
I rem when AFR came onto the scene and they had a competition between Mondello and afr...and afr heads absolutely smoked mondollar...and that's when he saw the light and got a flow bench ... he butchered a lot of olds heads before he got smarter
@hoost3056
@hoost3056 3 жыл бұрын
Joe Mondello total OG Legend.
@vwagon5566
@vwagon5566 3 жыл бұрын
I've got a '75 MrEd jet boat with a Mondello Olds in it. Brutal torque at any RPM . I wouldn't have it any other way.
@davelowets
@davelowets 3 жыл бұрын
You still didn't reach 1 h.p. per cubic inch.... A .030 overbored Olds 455 is 461 cubic inches. 456 h.p. isn't 1h.p. per cube. 🤔
@voodoochild6741
@voodoochild6741 2 жыл бұрын
Favorite engine ever. Great job guys!
@jeffm7669
@jeffm7669 Жыл бұрын
When you installed the cam you said it was a hyd roller then later installed hyd flat tappets
@rhinotec72
@rhinotec72 3 жыл бұрын
The only problem with that 455 is it supposed to be metallic blue and not gold, the gold was reserved for the 350 rocket.
@patrickstearns7958
@patrickstearns7958 3 жыл бұрын
Depends what year.
@davelowets
@davelowets 3 жыл бұрын
@@patrickstearns7958 No Olds big blocks were ever factory painted gold. Only small blocks. Some early big blocks were Bronze, but never gold.
@richardbailey7558
@richardbailey7558 Жыл бұрын
Wasn't the Hurst Olds motor red?
@garymanis6305
@garymanis6305 Жыл бұрын
'68, '69 Hurst Olds 455s were red. '70 - '76 455s were blue metallic. I've seen several pre-'70 Toronado 455s painted bronze.
@peterrivney552
@peterrivney552 8 ай бұрын
@@davelowets pre '70 the motors were red. Not gold in the '70's they went blue the small blocks were gold...
@johncooper8834
@johncooper8834 2 жыл бұрын
RPM cylinder heads and you're using a performer intake instead of the RPM intake you would have made more power
@terrypetty9822
@terrypetty9822 3 жыл бұрын
Saw an episode of "Nicks Garage" where the Performer intake was holding up the show. Put a stock on on it and gained substantial power.
@dntn9634
@dntn9634 3 жыл бұрын
Terry Petty, those huge cast iron intakes make great boat anchors too. lol
@baddonkey6876
@baddonkey6876 3 жыл бұрын
I saw the same episode, i saw very different results
@mattd603
@mattd603 3 жыл бұрын
@@baddonkey6876 which episode was it
@wildrosegarage4208
@wildrosegarage4208 3 жыл бұрын
You should pay attention. Because you are wrong Nick thought the stock one could make more power but he was wrong the performer made more power. That was also on a small block olds.
@davelowets
@davelowets 3 жыл бұрын
The Performer intake on "Nick's Garage" was NOT "holding up the show", and he ended up putting it back on after he tried the stock intake. Watch the episode again, and you'll see...
@davejohnson3037
@davejohnson3037 3 жыл бұрын
My .060 over 455. with steel heads made 525hp. MSD ign, Crower valve train, heavily modified heads, Willys carb, homemade intake.
@superkillr
@superkillr 2 жыл бұрын
Engine dyno or Chassis?
@davejohnson3037
@davejohnson3037 2 жыл бұрын
@@superkillr chassis. Pro built Th400. Cannot for the life of me remember ratios though. Had a lot of help from Mondello back then.
@peterrivney552
@peterrivney552 8 ай бұрын
I had a 1966 425 punched 40 over with the W-30 stick grind camshaft custom ground becouse of the bank angle all aligned honed, balanced, and squared up with Edelbrock Torker intake, Coles true roller timing chain 11:1 forged pistons, and "C" heads that we're totally reworked and I was putting out 525 HP as well had 400 Turbo manual valve body with 2-speed jet-away transmission from small block 330CI. Tork converter installed into the 400 turbo transmission rewired the switch onto the shifter down for low stall & up for high stall on the converter high stall was 3800 rpm low stall was 2000 rpm with the 5:56:1 posi shifting into second Bourke loose and fish tailed sideways shifting third was about seven feet of rubber with 30" tall street tires...
@jackwillson8099
@jackwillson8099 10 ай бұрын
The legend in action
@jmn93065
@jmn93065 7 күн бұрын
My Olds 400 engine currently 442 ci, 9.6 to 1 compression, custom lunati roller cam, stock heads, and a tri power intake makes 469 hp and 531 ft-lbs of torque. I wish they would have included the compression ratio. I doubt it was less than 10. Olds does make a great engine.
@stevemitchell2252
@stevemitchell2252 3 жыл бұрын
Import guys might laugh at those horsepower numbers but they are ignoring the torque numbers
@hugieflhr03
@hugieflhr03 3 жыл бұрын
This was an awesome build!!!
@jonathanduke8295
@jonathanduke8295 2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff
@davidross-oo2vh
@davidross-oo2vh Жыл бұрын
455 is a massive engine..my 73 Sidewinder jetboat has a 70 olds 455 in it... Berkeley 12jg jetpump..AA impeller.. It runs around 75mph...it does aight
@largelarry2126
@largelarry2126 3 жыл бұрын
Needs more carb plus a 1" spacer, 2 1/8th" headers and collector extensions.
@ibast1
@ibast1 3 жыл бұрын
Cam must be pretty mild. When the camera zooms in at the end you see it's only at 4700. You'd think with the hassle they went to they be aiming more like 5500. Needs a different cam and then carbie and headers to suit. But pretty impressive to get 1:1 at that low revs.
@davelowets
@davelowets 3 жыл бұрын
2 1/8 headers is WAY overkill for this engine, and would do nothing for horsepower, but would kill torque. My Olds 468 runs in the 9s in the quarter with a set of 2" primary tube headers. A 1" spacer wont do much on a dual plane intake either.
@bavarianhillbilly2337
@bavarianhillbilly2337 4 ай бұрын
hammering engines together at its finest .... :D come on guys
@peterrivney552
@peterrivney552 8 ай бұрын
I made more HP. from my 1966. 425 punched out 40 over used mostly factory parts gouged pistons, Coles True Roller Timing Chain, Custom Ground '70 W-30 Stick Grind Camshaft 328 degrees, Reworked the 'C' heads totally blocking off the heat under the intake manifold and filling in the siammized center exhaust ports, I used Oldsmobile HIE Distributor that was Reworked as well, Edelbrock Torker intake manifold, block was squared up, aligned honed, and balanced, as well as oil restrictions and rods ground for oil relief and crank cross drilling and chamfered, the block was also debuted and oil gallies all smooth out so oil would drain back into the pan faster, also used '70 Oldsmobile Tornado 5 quart oil pan. I put out 525 HP
@highrzr
@highrzr Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I was underwhelmed by the build especially with the aftermarket aluminum heads used. From personal experience, the standard Performer series really aren't much better if at all better than stock. Using a RPM Airgap would have been much better. Also, I'm thinking the wrong cam was chosen for this. You should have been able to easily get 500 HP+ out of it and still be streetable.
@SleepG-fd2ew
@SleepG-fd2ew 10 ай бұрын
Im thinking the same thing brother lol
@guestguest3715
@guestguest3715 4 ай бұрын
Well if you’re happy then we’re happy
@kencohagen4967
@kencohagen4967 3 жыл бұрын
Back in the day I saw a Olds build that used ported stock heads and an Offy port-O-Sonic single plane intake that made 455 hp, without a ton of cam. I’d lean towards that intake, but keep the Edelbrock heads and bigger carb.
@davelowets
@davelowets 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. The Offenhauser Port-O-Sonic is a good intake for a fairly stout Olds big block. If you build an engine for more h.p., the Port-O-Sonics bigger brother, the Super-Sonic is a pretty good intake as well if you are running a Dominator carb. My 468 with extremely worked over Edelbrock heads, and a port matched, worked over Super-Sonic with a 1050 Dominator runs 9s in the quarter mile.
@Guilhermeamerican
@Guilhermeamerican 3 жыл бұрын
Best channel 💪😎👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@mikesgun6015
@mikesgun6015 7 ай бұрын
What cam are they running ?
@Filzkiiz
@Filzkiiz 3 жыл бұрын
YesSiRr!!😎😁😊👌👊🔥💯💯!! Made it!!
@projectinlinesix
@projectinlinesix 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha that painted seat looks horrific!
@canabox7112
@canabox7112 3 жыл бұрын
They never used to make a performer RPM for the Olds. Just the Performer. Good news is they do now. I think it would pick up 20-25 hp and lose just a bit of torque down low
@davelowets
@davelowets 3 жыл бұрын
I would use a Torker intake on that engine all day. It would help the top-end for sure, and who cares if you lose a little bit of that huge torque.
@canabox7112
@canabox7112 3 жыл бұрын
@@davelowets I’ll give you that. Last Olds I built I think I used a Holley single plane? I could be wrong. I’m old and it was a long time ago
@davelowets
@davelowets 3 жыл бұрын
@@canabox7112 Holley made the "Street Dominator" single plane intake for an Olds a long time ago. Perhaps you had this intake. I'm an old Olds guy also.
@JohnDoe-ml8ru
@JohnDoe-ml8ru 3 жыл бұрын
Repost, but I'll take it.
@phillipbowls7049
@phillipbowls7049 3 жыл бұрын
I HAVE BUICK PARK AVENUE ULTRA. IT HAS A SUPERCHARGE BUICK V6. ENGINE. HAS ANYONE DONE A REBUILD ON THIS ENGINE. ARE THEIR ANY PERFORMANCE PARTS FAR IT.
@Raymonkey77
@Raymonkey77 3 жыл бұрын
I'm really surprised that they didn't try the usual thick carb spacer to increase plenum volume.
@canabox7112
@canabox7112 3 жыл бұрын
It would have helped for sure. Thing is they now make a performer rpm for the Olds. It’s a way better intake
@davelowets
@davelowets 3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't have helped much on a dual plane intake.
@HeavyOlds
@HeavyOlds Жыл бұрын
How not to break in a cam. Don’t double check that it’s ready to run then shut it off after a few seconds of running after the cam lube has washed off of lobes.
@majorpayne5289
@majorpayne5289 3 жыл бұрын
Hmmm, IDK about this build. Lots of questions
@williamnichols429
@williamnichols429 3 жыл бұрын
You didn't mention machining the top of the rocker stud FLAT to ensure the poly-locks don't loosen during operation.
@davelowets
@davelowets 3 жыл бұрын
Not needed... I've run my engines for 25 years without doing that, and never had one come loose.
@marcmo7138
@marcmo7138 Жыл бұрын
@@davelowets My 403 build had the crane cool nuts along with comp roller tip rockers and the cool nuts backed off on it.
@Lydia.LaMar0
@Lydia.LaMar0 9 ай бұрын
510 ft lbs, 1970, 455 olds. This engine held the factory torque record untill Dodge released the Cummins diesel pic up. Also 510 ft lbs.
@mobygodfrey4936
@mobygodfrey4936 4 ай бұрын
Sorry but that was a Buick 455 not Olds I love all 3 455 makes but Olds is my favorite
@carl16760
@carl16760 3 жыл бұрын
why use vac advance. mechanical advance would let you shoot total time.
@Polaris88Reid
@Polaris88Reid 3 жыл бұрын
Find yourself a quad barrel carburetor my 455 loved it but hey it was a every day diver
@nobrakes425
@nobrakes425 3 жыл бұрын
Both those carburetors they used where 4 barrel carbs. It's about the cfm it can flow they started with a 750 and it wasn't enough so they had to step up to a bigger cfm carb.
@olddirtybastardgarage
@olddirtybastardgarage Жыл бұрын
@nobrakes425 the summit 750 is just not a performance carb...a 455 olds turning 5200 rpm is barely using 650cfm..
@minibikemadman
@minibikemadman 3 жыл бұрын
Hows the Buick 455 differ from the olds?
@hoost3056
@hoost3056 3 жыл бұрын
The Olds, Buick and Pontiac 455s are all different designs from each other.
@shawnrobin6822
@shawnrobin6822 3 жыл бұрын
Completely different and Buick is the lightest of them. With an aluminum intake and heads the Buick is in sbc weight range.
@mattrodgers4878
@mattrodgers4878 3 жыл бұрын
About the only part that will interchange is the distributor cap
@davelowets
@davelowets 3 жыл бұрын
@@mattrodgers4878 and maybe the alternator...
@bryancreech1236
@bryancreech1236 2 жыл бұрын
A friend had 455 Old in a 1971 Nova. The highway patrol clock him at 120 in the corners and 140 straight aways . The quarter horse could not run him down!!!!! Had about 500 lbs!!!!
@lollipop84858
@lollipop84858 Жыл бұрын
Liar.
@anonymoustowers288
@anonymoustowers288 3 жыл бұрын
13:00 MIKE MUST BE SMOKING SOMETHING . NEWBI PROBLEMS FROM ASSEMBLY.
@dennisford2000
@dennisford2000 3 жыл бұрын
9:12... wipe out the cam and then the plug wires and it’s running like shit , you line up your distributor with the slash you made on disassembly, if it’s not factory marked
@davelowets
@davelowets 3 жыл бұрын
@@dennisford2000 Huh? 🤔 You should NEVER "line up a distributor with a mark made during disassembly". That's what a timing light is made for, and is the proper way to time the engine.
@CJColvin
@CJColvin Жыл бұрын
Looks like they could've ported the heads alot better.
@markbulva4188
@markbulva4188 2 жыл бұрын
I laugh with their commentary. The same carb used on the 460 but this one is more performance oriented. Lol
@shawnriddle3018
@shawnriddle3018 3 жыл бұрын
is this motor a nail head?
@dartlong4353
@dartlong4353 3 жыл бұрын
Wrong motor . That's Buick
@1mikewalsh
@1mikewalsh 3 жыл бұрын
A Joe Olds....
@stevedriver1476
@stevedriver1476 2 жыл бұрын
with alloy heads and modern combustion chambers you can run 11.5;1 comp,, i would have put a $1500 scat crank and rods in it. it would run 500= easy. Hyd Roller cams are useless.
@terrypetty9822
@terrypetty9822 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry but that engine is bored out so you came up a horsepower short. LOL
@davelowets
@davelowets 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, 5 h.p. short. A .030 over 455 would be a 461.
@user-ch3nv5uy3k
@user-ch3nv5uy3k 4 ай бұрын
Ok
@baddonkey6876
@baddonkey6876 3 жыл бұрын
Im tellin you that distributor is junk, we did a simular build but used an msd 6al box with a msd distributor and got between 485-490 hp
@dartlong4353
@dartlong4353 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah definitely needs a proper curve with complete rebuild
@davelowets
@davelowets 3 жыл бұрын
Or just lock the distributor out, and use an MSD 6AL-2 programmable. Best thing I ever did on my Olds.
@dennisford2000
@dennisford2000 3 жыл бұрын
Wiped that cam out ....
@davelowets
@davelowets 3 жыл бұрын
There's no way to tell from the episode if the cam was wiped or not.
@donfregin8668
@donfregin8668 3 жыл бұрын
When I purchased a 455 from mondello they told me I was going to get 550 horses, not only that it leaked oil had nothing but problems
@stellingbanjodude
@stellingbanjodude 3 жыл бұрын
Oil Leaks Distributor Sticks Motors Obviously Broken It Leaks Excessively
@tonya4993
@tonya4993 3 жыл бұрын
Hydraulic roller cam with flat tapit lifts why would you do that
@davelowets
@davelowets 2 жыл бұрын
Not possible, and they didn't.
@sandyshoremann7524
@sandyshoremann7524 2 жыл бұрын
He lied. Must be a mild cam too, Not a Comp fan here.
@marcmo7138
@marcmo7138 Жыл бұрын
@@sandyshoremann7524 He probably just misspoke.
@scottmichaels1764
@scottmichaels1764 2 жыл бұрын
What is this, amateur hour? I knew the 750 was too small right away and 456hp from a full build on a big block is schitt.
@jeremywilson4326
@jeremywilson4326 3 ай бұрын
You dont polish anything in the intake runners or valve bowls . Yall should know this . Also no catalytic converters ,,, no mufflers ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
@Nobody-ld7mk
@Nobody-ld7mk 2 жыл бұрын
Those factory W-30 Olds big blocks were rated at 510 ft lbs of torque. You didn't do much with torque but match the 455 Buick. HP is up, were really missing out on seeing the comparison between a Factory W-30 matching your build in the same car on the same track. Wonder what the 70 more HP in your build vs. a Factory W-30 would produce in the same car on the same track far as ET under similar conditions? Good results with your build but I expected more. You should have put one of those 4.5'' stroker Olds cranks in it and had a skilled porter re-work the heads. That's what would have impressed me. I'd give your build a C+, an average accomplishment. Think the Stock W-30 was equipped with an 810 CFM Quadra-Jet, I don't remember right off the secondary metering rod factory code, WW/WT maybe? Knew right off, the 750 wouldn't get it. When PSI developed their SCREW-BLOWER many years ago they used a Big Block Olds to drive it on an outdoor test stand to study and develop the PSI's maximum output performance. The 80's.
@marcmo7138
@marcmo7138 Жыл бұрын
Are you saying Joe Mondello is not a skilled head porter? I thought I saw him porting heads in the previous video.
@Nobody-ld7mk
@Nobody-ld7mk Жыл бұрын
@@marcmo7138 You're replying 11 Months after my post, who would imply any such a thing? appears you're just making an effort to put words in someone elses mouth.
@marcmo7138
@marcmo7138 Жыл бұрын
@@Nobody-ld7mkWho cares when I reply. I read your comment and replied. If you don’t want a comment, keep your thoughts to yourself.You said they should have had a skilled porter rework the heads. So I’m not putting words into anyone’s mouth. Just replied to someone who clearly knows absolutely everything and loves attention. Good day Professor.
@Nobody-ld7mk
@Nobody-ld7mk Жыл бұрын
@@marcmo7138 My reply was in reference to an available skilled porter of the time, Mondello is deceased. Put two and two together for Christ's sake. You're just somebody looking to start some c*ap. Jerk !
@olddirtybastardgarage
@olddirtybastardgarage Жыл бұрын
Olds w30 came with a 750 Rochester.. the only motors that got a 800 cfm Rochester was a very small number of pontiac 455 super duty. All Rochesters are 750cfm..including the ones on the 305..they just adjust the airwrap on the 2nds... the 70w30 made 440hp with headers..and barely 400hp with the W log manifolds.
@will900rr
@will900rr 3 жыл бұрын
Not true at all..i bought set of elderbrock heads from Mondello and they was to have been stage 5...but they was just plan heads no port or polished at all...and besides the china or ebay parts the sell you....straight garbage
@shaunsummers2762
@shaunsummers2762 3 жыл бұрын
Out of interest, why are American v8s over-head valve engines instead of the European trend of Quad over-head cam V8 engines?
@jasonhooey5677
@jasonhooey5677 3 жыл бұрын
Because keep it simple stupid
@shaunsummers2762
@shaunsummers2762 3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonhooey5677 fair enough.
@fishsquishguy1833
@fishsquishguy1833 3 жыл бұрын
Ford has been using OHC V8 ( Modular 2, 3 & 4V and later the 5.0 Coyote) since the mid 90s.
@shaunsummers2762
@shaunsummers2762 3 жыл бұрын
@@fishsquishguy1833 nice, I was just fascinated as a Brit everything over here and in Europe has been over head cam for years. Pluses and minuses for both I’m sure.
@geoffmooregm
@geoffmooregm 3 жыл бұрын
@@shaunsummers2762 There are pros and cons to both. Pushrod 2V motors favor low end power while DOHC motors favor high end power. Pushrod motors are very compact for their displacement so if you want low end power for towing and smoking tires they are the way to go. Ford for example just released a 7.3L Pushrod motor just for their heavy duty trucks.
@Slammo66
@Slammo66 4 ай бұрын
Do all that to Chevy 454, you wouod see 500 HP and 550 ft lbs easily.
@richardroberts9825
@richardroberts9825 3 жыл бұрын
?.hmm
@59vaughn
@59vaughn 3 жыл бұрын
Stock stage one is 500 ft lbs....what gives...?....
@stevemitchell2252
@stevemitchell2252 3 жыл бұрын
Because when you add a big lift cam torque usually always goes down but horsepower increases
@damonriddle1370
@damonriddle1370 3 жыл бұрын
or you could pick up a junkyard 6.0, throw in a "stage 2" cam & springs & make just as much power (if not more) for 1/3 the cost. I do love the "retro" big blocks, but it's just so easy to make power with the new motors (Gen 3 Hemi, Coyote, LS/LT).
@stevenchavez2003
@stevenchavez2003 3 жыл бұрын
You simply can't compare the torque of an lq4 with a 455 cubic inch big block. Some guys just want torque.
@cgarris8674
@cgarris8674 3 жыл бұрын
I have to admit, Coyote & LS engines have spoiled us to the point I think a lot of us were disappointed with "only" 456hp. My how times have changed!
@donfregin8668
@donfregin8668 3 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I did sold the 68 olds and got 2 c10s 65 and 70
@chrisvanlue3599
@chrisvanlue3599 3 жыл бұрын
Want to debate wasted money ,? Aluminum heads ? Porting ? Degreeing cam ? Aluminum intake that is a copy of stock ? No air gap ? Unmassaged aftermarket distrib, weights ,noizy aluminum rockers , no bathtub intake gasket ? ( Cools Intake from bottom essential when air gap style Mani , not used ! ) Rebuilt short block , bigger pistons . Not impressed with it for money spent $$$ . I be seen this trend with Pontiac builds as well . That much spent and little difference from stock 455 with 9 to 1 and a camshaft of 500 lift & ,290° D, throw in wrong headers for a 350 cube model and get SAME RESULTS EVERYTIME ...MANY OTHERS KNOW THE SAME THING ! DOES THE PERFORMANCE OIL PUMP ROB THAT ENG, OF MISSING 75 H.P. YOUR NUMBERS ARE MISSING ? WHAT WAS THE V/ E RATIO OF THIS SET UP THAT THING SHOULD DO ALOT MORE FOR THE INVESTMENT MADE...
@jasonhooey5677
@jasonhooey5677 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah seems like something is still off. 1 hp per cube with all those parts isn't great.
@dartlong4353
@dartlong4353 3 жыл бұрын
Spot on! My 76' block ,70' "C" cast heads , 70' W-30 stock stick shift cam w/ w-30 alum intake + 1"wooden spacer, recurved HEI, module , H/O coil, 850 spread bore holley DP . 11.57 w/ 4spd n 4:56 spool @ IRP in the late 80's Oops almost forgot ,11.00/1 + .040 alloy pistons/ ceramic rings.
@davelowets
@davelowets 3 жыл бұрын
The cam, intake, and headers were the killers of power on that engine.
@scottmichaels1764
@scottmichaels1764 2 жыл бұрын
Every engine built by these guys is a turd.
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