Dynoing a 4020 Turbo and an 11,000-hour 4230- New Project Announcement

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Today, Jake and I decided to run a couple tractors on the dyno.
The first tractor we dynoed was a 4020 with every M&W option they offered back in the da, except the M&W pistons. Included on this tractor is the M&W turbo kit, the extra capacity oil pan, and EGT probe and gauge. With the turbo kit, the 4020 pumped out an easy 120 horsepower!
The second tractor we dynoed was a 4230 diesel. This tractor has been on the farm for a couple years, and although most of the hours were not put on it by us, the tractor just turned over the 11,000 hour mark. After running it on the dyno, the tractor managed 115 horsepower.
The plan is as follows: rebuild the engine on the 4230, including high compression pistons, install an M&W turbo kit, and dyno the tractor again to see how much horsepower we gain from all the work. The tractor is also going to get a paint job, and hopefully be ready for Rantoul in late August.
Thank you for watching, and at this point reading, and I will see you on the next one!

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@charlieyellowstone8248 11 ай бұрын

Can't believe you never checked your lense. Nice tractors

@ronaldschoolcraft8654 3 жыл бұрын

When I was 10 years old (in 1975), my dad turned me loose on a 1964 4020 Powershift with a fresh overhaul and an M&W turbo kit pulling a five bottom, sixteen inch John Deere semi-mounted plow. It was late November, near Thanksgiving, so I was plowing at night. Dad was running a 3020 with a four bottom mounted plow. I'll never forget that night. It was the first of many long days and nights working the ground. I don't farm much anymore, since I'm a consulting mechanical engineer, but I still have a small place -- and a 1966 4020 Synchromesh. The 4020 was the best tractor ever made. Period.

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

Love hearing stories like this. Funny you say that, I am actually a senior at SIUE for mechanical engineering! 👍

@ildairyfarmer2436 3 жыл бұрын

11,000 hours!!! It must have come off a dairy farm, they’re the only guys that work that much

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

And yet here you are Craig, get back to work.

@bradwarner8933 3 жыл бұрын

Hello John, really appreciate your videos! Great stuff, keep it coming. Thanks for sharing your time with us.

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Brad I appreciate it!

@jeremymullen5378 3 жыл бұрын

🔥right on, pretty cool stuff.. great old tractors🔥🤙🔥

@stevenboughner7255 2 жыл бұрын

Had a turbo charged 1966 4020 with power shift. She had around 120 hp. The biggest issue was we should have put a larger radiator on it because it would overheat. That wasn't a problem you can drop a gear when working if needed.

@danjarboe9160 Жыл бұрын

I put a turbo on a 4230 years back . Used turbo, manifolds and piping from a 4520. Perfect bolt up and fit , and the hole in the hood was perfect for a 4 in pipe. Ran it at 140 hp for 4400 hrs, sold to a neighbor and its still going.

@idiomlorenzo804 3 жыл бұрын

Love the 30 series narrow front

@kswaynes7569 3 жыл бұрын

Impressive results, didn't expect them. The 4020 wasn't even burning coal at 120, where as the 4230 sounded like it was struggling to get 115. Thanks for the great video, even with the mud, it had me scratching my screen to see if it was on mine.

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@toddjacobs5660 3 жыл бұрын

4020's are great tractors 👍

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

Yes they are!

@jeremymullen5378 3 жыл бұрын

🔥Man thats a kicksss tractor... twin pipes are just top notch to me, love that stuff🔥🇨🇦🔥🤙🔥

@fungimarklinux8658 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video thanx

@samdp8497 Жыл бұрын

My dad bought a brand new 1965 4020 with the standard shift trans and a 5 bottom plow, I was 6 yo - never forget it, my older brothers and I crawled all over that tractor for hours that night! Probably 10 yrs later, installed the M & W turbo kit with that same straight pipe, primarily to pull the 2 row Fox chopper. We also had a 'year round' cab installed - boy that beat the hell out of those plexi/canvas 'weathershield' on the cold VA winters back then feeding the cattle. On dark morning, riding with my older brother, pulling a 216 loaded chuck wagon up a pretty good hill on one of the county dirt roads in 8th gear, brother said watch this and he floor boarded the throttle as an orange flame grew about 8 inches tall out of the stack and burned the chrome off! If the old man new about that sh*t he'd would of burned our asses!

@bobschultz9100 3 жыл бұрын

That vintage 4020 had an 8 qt oil pan. The 1969 and later had 12 qt pans.

@Matt-tt2br 7 ай бұрын

Great video!

@equipmentleader Жыл бұрын

Nice setup!

@actZR900 2 жыл бұрын

Just came across your channel. Awesome video. I have a 68 4020. Unknown hours, just rebuilt pump. Hope to get just over 100hp

@matthulbert811 3 жыл бұрын

Really sweet video!

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

@frankbolling8030 3 жыл бұрын

Nice!!

@Nathan-pw7do 3 жыл бұрын

That 4020 sure is sharp!!

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! It runs and looks great.

@goldingerfarms9357 3 жыл бұрын

Can’t be many of the 30 series around with narrow front ends. Also I saw the 2 row corn head in the background there at the beginning I hope we get to see that pull type combine in some corn next fall.

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

Yes sir they are harder to find. I was actually welding on that 42 combine today that the two row corn head is going on. Good eye Chase.

@richardpoe2461 3 жыл бұрын

I saw a 4250 with a tricycle front end. I think that was the last series that you could get one. Correct me if I’m wrong.

@Miniaturehorseexpress 3 жыл бұрын

Seen that Exact dyno sell at a consignment auction in Northern colorado last year for $330 bucks, and damn I wish I'd have bought it

@richardpoe2461 3 жыл бұрын

I like tricycle tractors! Always have!

@hm12460 3 жыл бұрын

Nice tractors!

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

@ritaejohn 3 жыл бұрын

My stock 46 Farmall B blueprinted the magneto readjusted the kerflafo vale dynoed out 144 Hp. No brag just fact. These tractors were very under rated.

@MilkMan608 3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@donf5722 2 жыл бұрын

Wake up dude!

@davidstruthers1885 2 жыл бұрын

They also have a fan with more blades. Ours has that, what yours had & the sleeves & pistons. 145 on the pto.

@kolewiebensohn 3 жыл бұрын

4020s were the best john deere made. My grandpa bought one brand new in 1965 and grandma has it today and she's only got 5799 hours on it. My dad's old neighbor has 1966 4020 Powershift M&W turbo and that was his big tractor untill he bought his 4440 brand new. He blew the motor up in 4 times cause he never had a pyrometer on it and run super hot

@bryanginder5903 3 жыл бұрын

That 4020 should smoke like the 4230 does, the 4230 needs to get rid of that little muffler they don't help it at all, nice tractors!!

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

The 4230 we have a turbo on has a straight pipe and it sounds great, I'm sure this one will get one someday too.

@robertslack4680 3 жыл бұрын

4020's are the best. 4020's with m&w turbo, even better.

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!

@formerfarmer1718 Жыл бұрын

In 1977 I bought a new JD 4040 Quad-range diesel (404 ci) with the understanding that the dealer was to put a turbo on it and give me regular new tractor warranty. Before the instal I asked the shop foreman if he’d dyno it for me which he did. With the new turbo installed, the shop foreman contacted me to ask how much hp I was wanting so he could set the fuel. I told him not to reset the fuel. Leave the pump factory stock and dyno it again. Without the turbo it dynoed 92 hp. With the turbo to dynoed 135 hp! With the same fuel setting. So from then on I’ve advised my friends not buying a diesel without a turbo. They’d be wasting fuel if they did.

@jimmybland6519 3 жыл бұрын

Around here nobody knows hand signals. Most people believe left signal means go ahead and pass. I had that happen once.

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

Gotta keep your head on a swivel, you never know what people are going to do.

@dustinlowry9075 3 жыл бұрын

Hi John . I’m a new subscriber to your channel. You have some rare and awesome collection of tractors. I’m a John Deere tec for 15 years out in California Great videos keep up the good work

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for subscribing Dustin! I will keep the videos coming. 👍

@jorgegonzalez8646 7 ай бұрын

Cuántos HP tiene el 4020 John Deere

@rogercarrico4975 3 жыл бұрын

My 4230 when I purchased it in 1980. Dyno at 105. Very fine tractor. Very cold natured however. A little shot of ether needed even in very warm weather. I would be very interested in seeing your rebuild with a high compression pistons.

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

Stick around then! I am pretty sure it is going to happen. We have two 4230s we use very often with high compression pistons, and it is a night and day difference.

@arvbergstedt3303 6 ай бұрын

The coal mine had a 4640. Hard starting cold weather even plugged in. The starter spun slower than other tractors. We converted the two 6 volt batteries in series to two 12 volt batteries in parallel. Solved the problem. Spun like other tractors. Started much easier. On paper two 6 volts have more amps but one battery has to go through other battery which makes me think all amps cannot be used effectively??

@thegreenerthemeaner 3 жыл бұрын

Other M&W options were a slightly larger fan with more blades and shroud, plus a Pyrometer. The pump was to be reset for less fuel delivery, 115 hp. If not they usually had 135 hp if on the stock setting.

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

Yes sir I knew I was forgetting something! The 4020 also has the fan and shroud.

@thegreenerthemeaner 3 жыл бұрын

@@RennerStockFarms Most guys would buy everything but the pan because they were expensive. Pans are the hardest thing to find. Most people don't count the number fan blades either. 7 if I remember correctly. The stock shroud will not fit those fans at all.

@bradcaruana2281 3 жыл бұрын

M&w also made a larger radiator and thermostat housing

@PaulHigginbothamSr 3 жыл бұрын

The tractor I wanted to see pull was the 671. But it looked like no turbo just the roots blower to run. Greyhound buses when I was a kid was an 871 and would pull any mountain pass at 70mph. Not sure how big the gas tank was, er fuel tank but would drink on a tractor so a 671 would work better. Old Ford flat head v8s work sweet on an 8n.

@cucvfarmer 3 жыл бұрын

Add an aftercooler and see how much more horsepower you get from having cool dense air.

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

That would make a world of difference!

@williamriley2528 3 жыл бұрын

Just curious where you guys are located...? Looks like plenty of open flat-ground for those Deeres to rome...

@mikegladstone1849 3 жыл бұрын

M&W also make a fan and shroud to go on the turbo converted 4020's. They are extremely hard to find.

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

I forgot to mention that in the video, this 4020 also has the fan and shroud

@marktetzloff4660 3 жыл бұрын

How much does the compression increase with those pistons that you were talking about. I think that it's 16.5 stock

@dockey6942 Жыл бұрын

Hay I wanted to see what that that converted Detroit would put out I may have miss it got barn full pop in Jonny were working on

@1vester1 3 жыл бұрын

John its missing the cold air !!! A cab

@tomharrington1393 3 жыл бұрын

👍👍

@matthewfischer5328 3 жыл бұрын

What air filter/canister are you running?

@lukeeversgerd7846 3 жыл бұрын

How many 4230s did the make with narrow fronts and what do you estamate that it is worth that is an awsome tractor.

@briandubach3188 3 жыл бұрын

My Uncle had a 4020, not sure of the year. He had added a liquid propane tank on the front and that added 20 up at the flip of a switch

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

We had a friend that did that to his 5020, did not last too long. But fun while it lasted!

@briandubach3188 3 жыл бұрын

@@RennerStockFarms interesting. He had it for many years with no issues. Was nice to have 20 extra ponies with the flip of a switch. Was the silage blower tractor that used the extra power and also a 12 ton spreader, and 4 bottom plow were main times used the lp.

@djmorgan8783 11 ай бұрын

I need to ask you a question is that stack double-lined I just got a 4020 and looking for a straight pipe but Steiner's pipes say double-walled I guess protect the pain

@danlowery3235 3 жыл бұрын

Jon awesome video, your preference wide front or narrow?

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

I prefer wide front, the narrow front tractors are nice as collection pieces but getting them on a hillside can get sketchy!

@ronaldschoolcraft8654 3 жыл бұрын

@@RennerStockFarms years ago, I was bush hogging with a 720 Diesel with narrow front end. I was in deep brush, briars and such, when suddenly, the right rear wheel dropped into a big hole that I couldn't see. Nearly rolled the tractor. A wide front end would have dropped a front wheel in first, alerting me to the presence of the hole. Scared me pretty badly.

@TomJD 3 жыл бұрын

It would be great to see how much horsepower the 4020 with the Detroit in it has on the dyno.

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

Trust me, I tried to talk Jake into it! lol

@chuckwilliams9090 2 жыл бұрын

John i have an old JD D 8.2 L what can be done with these low RPM JD’s to get more HP and Toque a great old tractor in its day. Enjoy your videos

@garykeenan3724 3 ай бұрын

Not a better sounding diesel engine than a JD 👍✌️

@mindyriecken5643 2 жыл бұрын

Hi John I’ve been watching your videos of the 4020 with the m&w turbo . Just wondering if you could point me in the right direction. I have a 68 power shift 4020 that my dad and I are restoring . Would like to know about purchasing a m&x turbo kit and the shield for the exhaust you made in one of your other videos. Any help is appreciated Great videos really like watching them 👍🏻

@Nick-tp1hk 3 жыл бұрын

Is that little tractor 9:55 time a flat dash 40 series

@timmywade1313 10 ай бұрын

Our 4020 was Turned up30 percent he said about 117hp

@rickmeister8863 Жыл бұрын

I have a 69 4020 turbo putting out 150 hp.

@johnwarren-649 3 жыл бұрын

John made last count I knew of was 18 of 6-71 there couple 8-71's an two of the 8-92's that I know of close to me

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

That would make this one a pretty rare find.

@bradykoester1994 3 жыл бұрын

Does that 4020 with the m and w turbo have high compression pistons in it

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

No it doesn't, it has every M&W option other than the M&W pistons.

@bradrynes525 3 жыл бұрын

Does it have the fan and shroud?

@rockinhonda 3 жыл бұрын

I bet you will get 135 out of the 4230 after the rebuild and turbo. Our 4620 with 9K hours never OH'd puts 162 hp last time we had it dyno'd.

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

I think so too, but I am going to bet closer to 150.👍

@nickb8618 2 жыл бұрын

Putting a turbo on a 4020 is basically turning it into a 4320 so you should see 115-120hp

@Fullern90 3 жыл бұрын

30 series have a lot of unused potential having low compression engines, it should really wake that 404 up having high compression pistons

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

Between the pistons and the turbo it makes for a really snappy tractor!

@kentonleriger8288 3 жыл бұрын

You and your family own the farm and dealership????

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

Yes sir!

@mikematthews8573 3 жыл бұрын

Bugars on lens? 🤣🧙‍♂️

@robertwells3054 3 жыл бұрын

Always talk to the mike guy so we can here what you say, thanks.

@Farmingfrommyangle. 3 жыл бұрын

Does your family still own the dealership??

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

Yes sir, we are one of the only single store dealerships left in the country.

@Farmingfrommyangle. 3 жыл бұрын

Wow that is amazing.. it has got to be hard with how mother deere likes to push corporate owned so hard.. that is great to hear.. great videos by the way. Awesome seeimg those odd units still out there.

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

@@Farmingfrommyangle. Deere certainly hasn,t made it easy, thanks for watching and commenting Daniel!

@kdbsd9887 3 жыл бұрын

Like all of your repowers, quite the collection. One suggestion I would make to you is to wear ear protection around all of those strait pipes. I grew up around 4020’s with cheap cabs that where super noisy. Not much fun saying “WHAT” all the time. LOL!!!

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

Yes I agree, I should just keep a set of ear plugs in my camera bag!

@jeffreyolson3878 9 ай бұрын

No ear protection? Are you nuts?

@hypercube33 3 жыл бұрын

Get some lens cleaning stuff, UV filters to protect it, and check for rendering errors lol

@charlesswhitlock Жыл бұрын

There were not a lot of narrow front 4230 made. That one is not very common.

@derrickzenner9300 3 жыл бұрын

Im guessing 140

@caleswartwood1909 3 жыл бұрын

Torque???

@rrknl5187 3 жыл бұрын

The formula is HP X 5252 ÷ RPM = ft.lb. of torque. If the PTO is 540 RPM and it's running at 120 HP, it'd be 120 X 5252 = 63240. 63240 ÷ 540 = 1167 ft.lbs. If it's 1000 RPM, it'd be 120 X 5252 = 63240. 63240 ÷ 1000 = 630 ft. lbs. As you can see, at 540 RPM, 120 HP is quite a bit of torque, 1167 ft. lbs. of torque is pretty rough on shafts and U-joints where 1000 RPM is a bit easier on them.

@brianmckin1395 3 жыл бұрын

Don't waist your time with a old junk m&w turd set up, I tried them on 4020s my personal 4230 and 4240s, u will make more hp with a 4430/4440 turbo set-up, using 4430 exaust and intake manifold and if use use a 4320 JD exaust elbow your exaust will come out the factory muffler hole in the hood, my 4230 made 127 with the m&w with a straight pipe, same engine, with 4430 set up made 147 peaked twice 152hp with a stock new 4430 muffler and stait 4 inch pipe it made 153 on power

@bradrynes525 3 жыл бұрын

You still have too cut the hood a little with a 4320 exhaust elbow.

@brianmckin1395 2 жыл бұрын

@@bradrynes525 no sir you don't done probably 40 of them never cut a hood yet

@giulianoposeidonia7803 3 жыл бұрын

Hii

@larryreadman9573 2 жыл бұрын

A lot of 4230's and 20's, says something doesn't it?

@andrewssoundsofthepast110 3 жыл бұрын

Why don’t you try to buff that 4230 out they are only original once

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

We definitely could but it has quite a few rust spots, and after going through the motor and adding the turbo kit we will want it painted anyway. I am hoping this one makes it to Rantou!

@andrewssoundsofthepast110 3 жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with that I’m just a sucker for all original myself but a nice paint job is fine too. I’d love to find an identical to that one or put a convertible front on a 4040 open station PS or quad

@RennerStockFarms 3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewssoundsofthepast110 We have a 4040 open station PS and we run our hay conditioner with it, one of the smoothest running tractors on the place!

@andrewssoundsofthepast110 3 жыл бұрын

@@RennerStockFarms I’ve got a cabbed synchro it’s my big tractor and probably one of my favorites