E102-4 - Ramon De Jesus Ejects Three as Marcus Semien, Mike Maddux & Bruce Bochy Argue Check Swing

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Жыл бұрын

1B Umpire Ramon De Jesus ejected Rangers 2B Marcus Semien, pitching coach Mike Maddux, and manager Bruce Bochy for arguing a check swing strike call during the inning break following the strikeout. Report: www.closecallsports.com/2023/...
The Rangers broadcast thought the umpire got the call right and that Semien did strike at Angels pitcher Chris Devenski's 3-2 changeup, while the Angels broadcast thought the umpire got the call wrong and the national broadcast was entirely unsure. There was also a strike one call earlier in the Semien at-bat that could have been balled but no one seemed to remember it.
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@Skamhes Жыл бұрын

I love De Jesus’ face when he sees Maddux running out like “wtf are you doing out here?” 😂😂

@J.C... Жыл бұрын

Came here to post this! 🤣👌

@EJayMD-11 Жыл бұрын

I had to go back and look. LMFAO That was hilarious!!

@pyRoy6 Жыл бұрын

Nice catch. For the lazy, it's around 1:58

@danhenderson7010 Жыл бұрын

Ramon treated Maddux like he was "Rangers Captain", the palomino-style horse dressed in the team's uniform! He could barely get a word out before he was 'adios-ed'.

@drewsummers7288 Жыл бұрын

Mike maddux was going to be ejected anyways. A pitching coach can’t argue balls and strikes. That was a quick hook.

@BillyM82094 Жыл бұрын

104 ejections and we’re already in the middle of June! thank you Lindsay keep up the good work when I need videos on ejections I’m in the right place

@bigpoppa1234 Жыл бұрын

Maddox looks like he's wearing one of those cartoon hat + glasses + moustache props 😁

@almostfm Жыл бұрын

He got it from the Bobby Valentine online store

@phobos258 Жыл бұрын

I don't have a lot of time to keep up with baseball this summer, but I've definitely kept up with all these ejections!

@kinkaid7477 Жыл бұрын

Seems like it'd be easier to keep up with baseball than the ejections, lol,

@totallykoolyeah Жыл бұрын

Finally, the ump got his money's worth! A football throw kinda toss Great stuff!

@lastdance2099 Жыл бұрын

I would call that a strike every time as he essentially swung through the pitch.

@linollieum3742 Жыл бұрын

The problem with this I think is the myth of breaking the wrists/the zone etc. I'd say if you're talking about "striking at the ball" he nearly hit the ball with how close his bat was to it (the first base angle makes it look even closer to hitting the ball than it was). Most check swings aren't that close to touching the ball. This had to be called a strike.

@transcendkira Жыл бұрын

You're right, he aimed for and struck at the ball almost all the way to it passing by him, is absolutely a reasonable strike call. That's most of what matters in some of these types of calls.

@phobos258 Жыл бұрын

I concur, that was too much of an attempt to hit the ball. But I don't mind leeway on a checked swing call if a ball comes up and in at a batter that thinks about swinging and then earnestly tries get out of the way.

@starpotatoes768 Жыл бұрын

I don't understand why mlb doesn't just change the rule so that if the bat crossed the plate its a swing. That seems to be what everyone refers to as "went" anyway and also seems to be what umpires are looking at.

@arley2246 Жыл бұрын

@Starpotatoes someone suggested adding the word fully, so if any attempt is checked by pulling back, it's a checked swing

@XXelpollodiabloXX Жыл бұрын

@@arley2246 Ick. As others have pointed out, he very nearly made contact. Deciding not to swing when the ball is exactly where it would be if you had chosen to fully swing seems a little silly. And what constitutes a full swing in any case? I'd rather it be like, "If in the opinion of the umpire, the bat reached a point where it was at an 80° angle from the batter..." or something. Then the base ump would have a compass and go down and, using a complex system of lasers, mark the location of the head of the bat, then verify via satellite.

@Snickerv12 Жыл бұрын

Short quick video with good commentary. That was great

@Chafe3 Жыл бұрын

Your channel is a blessing and a curse. A blessing because I have a much better grasp on the rules of MLB, but a curse because it’s so frustrating that coaches and announcers alike have no idea what the rules actually say

@mxcafx Жыл бұрын

Imagine being an umpire 😂

@deanb024 Жыл бұрын

As an umpire myself, we have said this for years. Everybody thinks they know the rules. They don't.

@mxcafx Жыл бұрын

@@deanb024 and they argue when they think you got it wrong. Lol

@johnvincent7170 Жыл бұрын

It's amazing how many ejectees are "the nicest guys who never get upset" Imagine if they ejected the angry mean guys too 😂

@priceright8963 Жыл бұрын

I can maybe understand it if it was Marcus' first ejection, but this is his second. He argued a replay review a few years back.

@blackhawksnbullsncubsnbear4615 Жыл бұрын

@@priceright8963 Yes, but this was only his second one. Semian has been in the majors since 2013 with his first ejection coming in 2019. I'd say he qualifies for "nice guy" status.

@kevwwong Жыл бұрын

Thankfully we have the Aaron Boones of the world to balance out those "nice guys who never get upset" ejections.

@rickfromtexas4659 Жыл бұрын

DeJesus made a number of bad calls when he was behind the plate Monday. The majority of them seemed to be tilted in the Angels favor. I would love to see his scorecard from that game.

@pyRoy6 Жыл бұрын

Scorecard is up. It wasn't great, but it says +0.37 runs in Texas's favor

@dawnzephyr Жыл бұрын

Not often an umpire records a triple play.

@richardbobby4992 Жыл бұрын

#UmpShow

@geoffroi-le-Hook Жыл бұрын

The AHL final is currently Hershey 3-1 over Coachella Valley

@XXelpollodiabloXX Жыл бұрын

That is absolutely a swing. He was right on top of the ball when he decided to hold it.

@PapaVanTwee5 Жыл бұрын

Insert Trevor Bauer "Sword" gif here.

@unfiltered_69420 Жыл бұрын

Bro the bat never went past the plate blind

@XXelpollodiabloXX Жыл бұрын

@@unfiltered_69420 Bro, it doesn't have to. There's no objective criteria for a swing, bro. Did he try to hit the ball and change his mind too late? That's the question you have to answer.

@teebob21 Жыл бұрын

@@XXelpollodiabloXX "yes"

@cjr1881 Жыл бұрын

Semien looked at the replay and STILL was wrong about his check swing. Definitely went.

@zgaviation6481 Жыл бұрын

You’re right, Lin. Hockey season is never done 😂

@juan833blue Жыл бұрын

The Texas Rangers Broadcast was correct; it was close but looking at the replay he did go around.

@bradhoffman9361 Жыл бұрын

Not everyday you see a pitching coach come out and get himself run while defending a hitter lol

@geoffroi-le-Hook Жыл бұрын

even less often when the manager has not been ejected

@almostfm Жыл бұрын

@@geoffroi-le-Hook Have you seen Bochy try and run? He's an almost 70-year-old guy who caught for 19 years. It's going to take him a while to get out there.

@hendog5396 Жыл бұрын

I was honestly kind of shocked when i first saw one of your breakdowns of a check swing call, that there isn't a clear description of what qualifies a "failed" check swing. With the way the rules are, they should probably just lean towards them being strikes if it's close.

@KWally Жыл бұрын

Or just make the judgement call like we've always done....

@alvinthecat8426 Жыл бұрын

Nice crowd. Ramon did not disappoint.

@richardbobby4992 Жыл бұрын

#UmpShow

@tigerlee1106 Жыл бұрын

CCS I got to say you are amazing. For sure you need to hire someone to help you with those videos. 250 ejections this season coming

@mudandbleach Жыл бұрын

Would love to see a thorough evaluation of each team’s broadcast’s grasp of the rules. Seems like some crews are chronically misinformed. Love this series, CCS. Thanks as always for a great breakdown.

@acehyatt44 Жыл бұрын

As an Angels fan, their announcers have always sucked (with Rex Hudler maybe being the lone exception).

@linfordglick7671 Жыл бұрын

I think all announcers should have to have to read and know the rule book as good as the umpires. It’s sad how many of them make themselves sound stupid because they don’t know the rules of the game.

@XXelpollodiabloXX Жыл бұрын

This is why I'd love to see broadcast teams have a former pro umpire (not necessarily an MLB one, just one who knows the rules in and out) as an analyst. The insight that someone like that could offer would benefit the fans as well as the announcers. "Hey, Bart! Can you tell us why this or that was called or not called?" "Hey, Bart! What is the manager yelling about down there? What kind of things might be be saying if they were translated to PG?" "Hey, Bart! If you're on the line and your partner points at you for help, what criteria are you using to decide that he did swing?"

@Seanster_94 Жыл бұрын

@@linfordglick7671 they know the rules, they are giving their opinions and thoughts on how the rules are being implemented, that doesnt make them stupid, you could watch the game on mute if it bothers you that much

@trevoravery9270 Жыл бұрын

@@Seanster_94 what a 62 IQ thought.

@robspring81 Жыл бұрын

He went… plain and simple

@zachansen8293 Жыл бұрын

I have that as a swing - and I for sure have that close enough that you don't argue it. I wouldn't argue with someone who says it's not a swing. And surely you don't get tossed over it.

@route2070 Жыл бұрын

Great ejection mexhanic, maybe should have more follow through.

@EJayMD-11 Жыл бұрын

Simien clearly struck at the ball, it's that simple.

@xhxnchovibez Жыл бұрын

Uh oh a triple ejection…time to mark that on the bingo card

@MwD676 Жыл бұрын

First pitch in vid said px = -8.3 was a definitive ball. Thought that was edge of zone. So actually a strike, or at least MOE.

@heathmcdaniel2131 Жыл бұрын

Lmao this dude had four ejections this series🤣🤣

@richardbobby4992 Жыл бұрын

#UmpShow

@JackoDaddy5 Жыл бұрын

I feel like Semien was looking at the first base umpire with the 'look' gesture. Something like, "watch the play, watch the swing, what are you looking at" type gesture.

@drewsummers7288 Жыл бұрын

I guess that means the hitting coach took over as manager for the remainder of this game.

@refsmithy Жыл бұрын

It's amazing how many of these people who get ejected are described as "rarely getting upset"... 🤣

@robinday2137 Жыл бұрын

Has anyone done a calculation to see if ejections are up after rule changes? It seems like every other MLB post is about an ejection.

@gravityblast3475 Жыл бұрын

When was the last triple ejection by a single umpire?

@danhenderson7010 Жыл бұрын

The moral of this story is that even the nicest guys are sometimes a pain in the rump! And in this particular case, a pain for the ump.

@cjstanley8868 Жыл бұрын

When its close, call a strike. No sure where the quote came from: 'Strikes make out, outs make innings, 9 innings makes a game.'

@bethhentges Жыл бұрын

“We get paid for outs.”

@DEATHBYJOKES01 Жыл бұрын

Ump is going to have a dead arm in a few more tosses

@elisereagan6843 Жыл бұрын

Simply atrocious first strike call. Pitch was closer to the opposite box than the plate

@anthonylombardo1261 Жыл бұрын

Mike maddux has two smoke show daughters, that’s for sure. He’s just being a good dad, and coach for his players lol.

@timothystamm3200 Жыл бұрын

Apparently this might have been a blow up caused by several games of calls like the first one, or at least that's what the Rangers broadcast would have you believe.

@albertchilds4897 Жыл бұрын

With the rule definition there is no such thing as a check swing then, you move the bat then it a strike eh?? It is a judgement call left up to the umpire problem is one umpire calls it a strike the next umpire says no swing that leads to chaos

@tomstevens7452 Жыл бұрын

He fouled off multiple pitches, so while it may have altered the pitch sequence from the pitcher the situatio would have been the same

@seanknittle2600 Жыл бұрын

To address Mr. Semien’s argument that it was a ball, he is partially correct. The call of the pitch, based on location, was indeed called a ball. However due to Mr. Semien’s attempt to strike at, and miss, a legally pitched ball the call changes to strike three. I would like to hear Mr. Semien’s argument for why that should not be a swing, because unfortunately player’s intention does not factor into the rule, and the video evidence appears to support U1.

@brianmullaney6237 Жыл бұрын

You can say "the video evidence supports the call" every time the bat moves forward any amount.

@dleatherman4539 Жыл бұрын

Ramon's ode to Angel.

@pumpkinhill4570 Жыл бұрын

Hat trick. He was ejecting everyone!

@richardbobby4992 Жыл бұрын

#UmpShow

@detroitrockcity8 Жыл бұрын

3 DQ’s for getting the call right? Who would’ve thunk it lol

@KWally Жыл бұрын

Wtf was the Angels broadcast watching?

@briank2502 Жыл бұрын

Still crazy that there’s not a rule that makes it easy to know what makes it a swing. Varies umpire to umpire.

@teebob21 Жыл бұрын

If you were in charge of the rule book, how would you write a Black&White rule on swing-no-swing?

@briank2502 Жыл бұрын

@@teebob21 a definitive line the bat must cross or a definitive movement/motion in the batters swing.

@teebob21 Жыл бұрын

@@briank2502 So, in order to improve the game, you want to change the rule for a charged strike to a line? What happens if the bat passes that line when they are not trying to hit the pitch? Would it still be a strike anyway, and the player just has to deal with it?

@briank2502 Жыл бұрын

@@teebob21 why would the bat cross that line if they’re not trying to strike at a pitch?

@Ben-hw2uz Жыл бұрын

What in the world is the pitching coach doing running out there. He should have been ejected the second he left the dugout.

@Subangelis Жыл бұрын

Maybe Bochy was on the shitter?

@CoachOlsson Жыл бұрын

As much as a ball as that one was, any motion was a swing in my book. #FuckCheckSwings

@DJTexan Жыл бұрын

Second and third umpires shouldn’t have joined and put hands on the player, coach, and manager. The argument was civil there was no need to break it up and besides it was during inning break so it’s not a time problem. If umpires don’t want to be touched then they shouldn’t do it themselves. Period.

@richardbobby4992 Жыл бұрын

One of these days an umpire is going to put his hands on a player and the player is going to beat the shit out of them. And it can’t happen soon enough.

@alanhess9306 Жыл бұрын

@@richardbobby4992 That will end the player's career.

@alanhess9306 Жыл бұрын

Two arguing against one umpire? The other umpires definitely were right to intervene.

@alanhess9306 Жыл бұрын

@@richardbobby4992 Fortunately most players are more civilized than you are.

@DJTexan Жыл бұрын

They didn’t need to intervene that quickly. And when umpires do intervene there is no reason to put hands on any members of team.

@sudburyboy5547 Жыл бұрын

Go back to dugout and look at the tablet Marcus before you get tossed and you'll see it was close enough to be called a strike. On that note, the umpire looked like he had a tad bit of a napoleon complex as well...lol.

@Ghostrider6A Жыл бұрын

Maddux is only a coach. Coaches are to be seen and not heard. Who knows what the player said, but I bet he mentioned video or used a colorful adjective. Bochy should have got out there much faster.

@Bucky1191 Жыл бұрын

Looks like the right call

@colepriceguitar1153 Жыл бұрын

@alanhess9306 Жыл бұрын

@@colepriceguitar1153 Absolutely the right call.

@colepriceguitar1153 Жыл бұрын

@@alanhess9306 not sure what you’re seeing.

@alanhess9306 Жыл бұрын

@@colepriceguitar1153 I'm seeing the batter offer at the pitch. A clear strike. I'm sure there are many things you are not sure of.

@colepriceguitar1153 Жыл бұрын

@@alanhess9306 whatever

@teebob21 Жыл бұрын

He went. He tried to hit it. He was trying to foul it off. Strike three. Move on, ladies.

@michaelfalkner1186 Жыл бұрын

He went. Get the players and managers under control.

@fiddy-lr1sl Жыл бұрын

Ump keep this up he'll require tommy John

@sabreeawinston3465 7 ай бұрын

DeJesus is a Jesus 😂

@marcsonnenberg623 Жыл бұрын

While that call was correct, the earlier call was terrible. These Umps need more training.

@danspears1567 Жыл бұрын

Be 200 very quick be 3 or 4 days

@user-of9er6se1f Жыл бұрын

Not only is moral society in this country going down the tubes but they are ruining the favorite pastime

@LoneRanger1445 10 ай бұрын

De Jesus should not be an umpire. He thinks his ego is bigger than the game. That man is a disgrace to Americas past time. Thinks he’s special because he’s the first mlb ump from the DR

@mattriegler4215 Жыл бұрын

maddox looks like he’s wearing novelty mustache / grouch marx glasses.

@randominternet5586 Жыл бұрын

How would that not be a strike? He absolutely had the bat in a place where it could hit the ball, and was striking at the ball before trying to pull back. You'd be able to get a bunch of free bunts and other type of stuff it was about making a full swing. My own view, if you swing past the point of home plate strike, and if the angle of the bat goes clearly past that angle, strike.

@vw8886 Жыл бұрын

Problem is it's not called the same at all by umps.

@rickhaavisto9023 Жыл бұрын

@@vw8886 Because there is no easily judged metric to determine a check swing

@teebob21 Жыл бұрын

@@rickhaavisto9023 Did the player attempt to strike at and hit the pitch? If yes, strike. It's very very very simple.

@rickhaavisto9023 Жыл бұрын

@@teebob21 So no objective criteria leads to umpire’s discretion. Which is my point.

@teebob21 Жыл бұрын

@@rickhaavisto9023 Fine. Let's say you have a good point. You either have a problem with the rule of striking at the pitch or not. If you have a problem with the current rule, what is your proposal to improve it and make it easier for fans and TV watchers to officiate?

@carsonkahla9162 11 ай бұрын

Just because you CAN eject someone doesn’t make it the right move. No one goes to a game to watch an ump, Semien was calm, not showing him up and not stopping play. Literal definition of thin skin umpiring.

@khighness1226 8 ай бұрын

Boy trying to get a uav

@Will97675 Жыл бұрын

Umpires have gotten soft over the years

@tysmathers113 Жыл бұрын

I wonder if umpires should have a mandatory game off after an ejection like when police officers have a mandatory time off for firing their weapon. I would want them to be still paid for the games missed but think a mandatory time off for review would help.

@caras2004 Жыл бұрын

Hat trick

@guitarman416 Жыл бұрын

at this point I feel like just existing is ejectable

@teebob21 Жыл бұрын

At this point, perhaps if players and coaches kept their mouths shut and played ball, there would be nearly zero ejections.

@dawnzephyr Жыл бұрын

Marcus Semien's "look" gesture immediately after the call. Isn't that also considered an ejectable act?

@josephsmith4009 Жыл бұрын

How did I see this on Fox News before this channel?!

@Seanster_94 Жыл бұрын

The Angel's broadcasters are phenomenal and imo give their best thoughts about the questionable calls

@SonOfGome Жыл бұрын

You can tell she's an Angels hater

@terryrose4804 Жыл бұрын

"Forget Paris" (1995) with Billy Crystal as a crazed referee moment there. Maybe fans should call this umpire "Mickey Gordon."

@88laserbeam Жыл бұрын

Lol why does the ump practice perfect form when ejecting someone? As if he needs to use those muscles often 😂😂😂

@Detroit_Dawg Жыл бұрын

So Umps can just eject anyone they want? Whats to stop them from ejecting the whole lineup? 🤔🤷🏽‍♂

@alanhess9306 Жыл бұрын

What will stop a lot of ejections is idiot managers and players arguing correct calls.

@pyRoy6 Жыл бұрын

@@alanhess9306 Or incorrect calls that can't be challenged or appealed.

@criticiz3 Жыл бұрын

Refs should be paid based on performance. There I said it. 🤷

@kinkaid7477 Жыл бұрын

That's cool. Baseball doesn't have refs,

@criticiz3 Жыл бұрын

@@kinkaid7477 mad?

@kinkaid7477 Жыл бұрын

@@criticiz3 about what?

@HarrySJohnson Жыл бұрын

Suspend the pitching coach. You have no business on the field in that scenario.

@richardbobby4992 Жыл бұрын

Suspend de Jesus for putting on an #UmpShow.

@rj7411 Жыл бұрын

Ramon De Jesus is one of the nicest guys. Rarely do you see him get upset. BOOM! right back at ya broadcasters who always defend the players & coaches poor behavior (did you see the stop sign?) and don't know the mlb rule. YOU did this, Not the umpire. Hilarious.

@ronpeacock9939 Жыл бұрын

Semien... arguing well after the fact will get you no rope.. assistant coach arguing anything has less than no rope... Bochy.. well I don't know how much rope he was given.. but it's still a well after the fact argument.. and frankly... I agree with the call.. but Lindsay is very right that it is really subjective. I've seen guys call something that barely gets off the shoulder and guys no call an near full swing and everything imaginable in between.. ..

@kerrytodd3753 Жыл бұрын

That ump is awful……

@stevebabiak6997 Жыл бұрын

Instead of hockey, they could have used a football reference and called it a field goal of ejections ;)

@pavanatanaya Жыл бұрын

DeJesus is a power tripper.

@vw8886 Жыл бұрын

He thought he was the show.

@alanhess9306 Жыл бұрын

He got the call right.

@TheHockey12 Жыл бұрын

No one should be surprised when one of these incompetent umpires gets punched in the face for ruining these games.

@richardbobby4992 Жыл бұрын

It can’t happen soon enough.

@bsdsooner Жыл бұрын

Umpires putting on a show. These clowns are almost done with technology passing them and they can’t stand it.

@teebob21 Жыл бұрын

How would technology have called that check swing?

@vw8886 Жыл бұрын

It's a crappy rule plain and simple. Ramon DePanties-in-a-wad has to make a flip the coin type call. Semien has a right to be upset cause he should have been on first base already.

@alanhess9306 Жыл бұрын

Bs, he clearly went on the swing.

@joebocci4427 Жыл бұрын

Looks like the technology of being able to look at it’s with an iPad didn’t help the situation . Get rid of all this technology bs and get back to the “ pure” game as it was meant to be. But as you know , $$ matters these days; not the beauty of the game as it once was.

@MarrtyJ Жыл бұрын

Ramon is just like Carapazza. Love nothing more than being the Center of attention and puffing out their chests by tossing players.

@alanhess9306 Жыл бұрын

All of those ejections were totally justified. Idiot players and coaches earned their ejections arguing a correct call by the umpires.

@TruthDefined4life Жыл бұрын

It's almost like you think umpires are REQUIRED to take abuse. The worst part about the player and coaches arguing is that it wasn't even in the immediate action after the strike call. Therefore they had INTENT to create the altercation.

@roymauler Жыл бұрын

Weak from the umpire. No reason to eject Maddux that quickly or Bochy. Just eject the whole team so the game can be over and the fans can cheer how great you are. Pathetic.

@alanhess9306 Жыл бұрын

Maddux has no business arguing with the umpire, that is the managers job. He should be ejected as soon as he walks leaves the dugout.

@roymauler Жыл бұрын

@@alanhess9306 Where is the rule that says a pitching coach should be ejected the moment he walks out of the dugout?

@alanhess9306 Жыл бұрын

@@roymauler It is the job of the manager to talk to umpires. Assistant coaches have no such authority and will be ejected immediately. The coaches coach players, the manager manages the team and interacts with the umpires. 8.02(b) If there is reasonable doubt that any umpire’s decision may be in conflict with the rules, the manager may appeal the decision and ask that a correct ruling be made. Such appeal shall be made only to the umpire who made the protested decision. Notice where it says manager, an assistant coach has no such authority.

@roymauler Жыл бұрын

@@alanhess9306 But what about Maddux using the Chewbacca Defense?

@alanhess9306 Жыл бұрын

@@roymauler He has no defense, but tell me about the Chewbacca defense.