After I spent over 60 dollars the other day😂

@@deondre294 I'd kill for a $60 fill 😂 I'm averaging about $160 for a full tank 😭

@@Michka1001 When it goes to half a tank fill up again because once it has the half mark you get less power and you burn more gas

@@sylent6 through experience and owning a lot of cars, I've noticed it really depends on the car, I currently have a 2014 VF Commodore with 3.0 V6 (I can't remember the engine code, but, assuming you're american, and I'm sorry if I'm wrong! You'd know it as a Chevrolet SS) and the needle moves the fastest between 3/4 and 1/4 of a tank, but most of my older cars, and all my older Commodores and Holden's were like that, you'd get heaps of K's until it hit half a tank then it'd just drop 😅 never had an issue loosing power though unless it was starving itself of fuel, and I've only had that issue on old cars with carburettors

It’s a little misleading and mathematically (if I’m thinking about it right) doesn’t work to your advantage. In this example the Flex Fuel cost $1.90 a gallon and the Regular Unleaded costs $2.20 a gallon. So he’s saving about 16% per gallon. However, he’s having to use 30% more fuel to get his car to run the same, so he’s at a 14% deficit. So unless you have all the fancy equipment and can adjust your fuel ratio and the cost of Flex Fuel is more than 30% cheaper it doesn’t make sense to buy it (unless you have a Flex Fuel vehicle of course)

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Your method is correct based on what I have learned regarding E85. As long as it is been introduced slowly to the system while allowing it slowly clean up the old build up inside of the system (which many people seem as negative effect of their car performance). Once the system is clean up almost all cars are able to adapt to them and some just need software update to run them.

Did you change fuel filter? Since ethanol is a good cleaner but the cruds it cleans might clog the filter

@@W0LV1E45 Yes, but it was replaced only because of the regular service interval; still ran perfectly fine before/after changing the fuel filter-which was over a year after first using E85.

@@ProtoFalcon07 Thanks. I might try to run e85 on my 2013 Hyundai Veloster N/A. But I'm not sure if I should do it right now since its cold here in Canada and I heard E85 is harder to start on cold weather.

@@W0LV1E45 very hard I would wait lol, youd need a new starter in a few months or less

Thanks man, yeah it was pretty interesting to see what happens, now to dial in the tune on E85

@@BoBuilds you can just slowly put e85 mixed with regular gas like 20% 85 and the rest gas and it’ll be better for your engine till you get the tune

20-30% doesn't affect a/f He should have stopped filling it when the a/f gauge started going up but he just kept going haha rookie

@@burlzabrah8315 He had a tuning interface with him so it doesn't matter. As long as your fuel pump is able to pump 30% more than it needs to this will always work. Problem is the pump and lines are going to wear out quicker if they aren't designed for e85. That's because E85 fuel pumps are overdriven to reduce friction since ethanol is a terrible lubricant compared to gasoline.

mattrox1221 so true!!!!

I'm with you on this my 2015 accord had 175k miles only thing that I had to replace with the dumb CVT it just crapped out on me. Engine on the other hand was fine. No leaks or seal breaks.

Facts on today’s cars but anything like 2003 and prior might wanna get a conversion aka e85 pump and some upgrades lines

I've e85 in 2016 a Altima and a 2020 jeep wrangler and both ran just fine even from empty to full...no problems with starting on either..however it has cleaned up the entire fuel system in the Altima this is highway running and it runs like it has octane boosts the car was getting rubber so the next day my girl comes in asking me what the f*** did I do to her car so I asked her what's wrong she said I barely touch the gas and it's burning rubber I started laughing even harder when she said my car got kick ass power nothing ever went wrong with the car..today if I just happened to trip to the pump in her car it's half e85 and regular...the jeep has bigger tires so it's harder to compare but the 3 times from empty to full I've had no problems starting but I not 100% sure but I thinks it drinks faster with e85 in it.

Still gunks stuff up

Hey boss I know I’m a year late but I have a 99 cobra with a vortech supercharger, the guy I bought it from said it was tuned for 85 so I ran 85 and now she what’s to idle between 7-800 rpms and she normally sits at 1k she even wants to stall out sometimes if I don’t give it gas, I’m guessing it wasn’t tuned properly for 85 any ideas? Note she runs perfect on 93

Octane shouldn't affect the idle but bad quality gas will.

@@matt3613 The IAC is learning a new idle trim. I didnt have this issue but my 4.6 Dohc isnt supercharged

Salam Hamdi i filled up my 98 corolla with 7 gallons of 87 and 6.5 gallons of E85 and i didnt notice any negative side effects at all. Running like a top

Burns faster

stock hpfp?

I've tried this on my LS400. I had same experience as you. On the first run I didn't notice any difference, however the next day after a longer drive I noticed the injectors didn't tick anymore. Engine was smoother than before and I still haven't had any issues with anything. 1993 model, stock fuel lines, injectors etc. No leaks. Thinking of going full e85 with bigger injectors and higher fuel pressure. I am pretty sure the issues with rubbers etc come only if you let the car sit for long periods of time. Or if the components were about to go anyways.

Oh, and I run 30-35% E85 generally as the ecu seems happy with that. Haven't tried full E85 yet. Seems even this % does something.

i stop using E85 when it drops below teens

I swear I saw a video from Engineering Explained that said E-85 is a good cleaner, it removed carbon deposits, probably cheaper than an "injector cleaner" too.

It takes nearly twice the amount of alcohol as gasoline to run.

@@backcountryme yah but then u burn it twice as fast. Now ur flying

@@TwilightThrottle not really. Alcohol is almost half the potential energy as gasoline. So with burning it twice as fast you are only back to square one. I have a ton of experience with running alcohol in our midgets and sprint cars.

Please do! I too have a excursion v10

Have you experience worse gas mileage and less power?

Mars1313 I have a f250 2000 .What year is yours.

@@MrSenorhappy If you are tuned for it you will be able to bump up timing and get more power. Definitely get worse mileage, no way around it. My car gets 27mpg on 89 octane, about 18 on corn.

I Have been running My 2011 Nissan Titan non flex for the last 4 or 5 years on E85. Gets about 15hps or so more.

So?????

Any update ?? I was planning to do this on my 97 silverado

I was thinking half 87 and half e85 in my 95 GMC Yukon

Good to know. Just bought a 01 c320.

What a difference from using my phone to an actual camera lol

​@@BoBuilds That too. But i meant it is informational with real-time results Makes it even better.

Exactly

With 30% less mileage why ????

Do you have any problems to report ?

@@arabiantxn No, Just because WHEN I changed my fuel PUMP 10 YEARS ago, I replaced with a Flex Fuel Vehicle model. IF not, I would have to replace more pump.

Yeah because a stock car will automatically adapt as much as possible to run on the right mixture. It only throws a lean code when it can't adjust itself any further. A tuned ecu won't have that function

Thanks! Tried to sound like I knew what I was talking about! Lol

Steve Hagedorn stock tune? I feel his car (and especially more modern cars) on their OEM stock tune will compensate for E-85 overtime. My guess is he was running a tune that won’t dynamically change like an OEM one will.

I run e85 in my 01 mustang gt. Runs better actually. I was getting spark knock and detonation with 87 octane. I now run mostly e85. Also ran it on my old 98 corolla stock tune

@@TurboTurdBurglar I got an 03 gt my friend what should I get done to be able to run it I got the tr 3650 Trany 4.6 v8 all mostly stock except hood pins new radio speakers and Mishi Moto radiator thank you

@@oves8197 i didnt do anything special. Just put it in and run it. My car has almost 200,000 miles and is redlined and beat on daily and i haven’t experienced any negative side effects. Sometimes i run half e85 and half 87 octane. But most of the time i run full e85

@@TurboTurdBurglar is your stang stock ? Just asking

I mean, you can fix this by running more rich ar ratio. Some cars already adjust themselves due to the afr sensor being tricked, and telling the car to run richer (e.g. vw's notorious engine check light) so ethanol doesn't really make less power it's just the tune being offset

Psyko *IF* your car can actually adjust. Old cars like his and mine (I drive the exact same car but automatic) can’t adapt that fast and that much without a tune. Even modern day non-flex fuel cars typically will not adjust/can’t adjust to the extra 30% fuel needed. Even when they do they’ll throw a check engine light, which depending on the car it might gimp power thinking something is wrong. I plan on attempting the transition to E85 with no tune but I’m going to go slow to try and get it to adjust automatically. I’ll go to E15, then E20, E30, E40, E50, E60, E70, E80, E85 doing a full tank each. I’m guessing it’ll be fine under load, I’m just worried about the idle. Mine already idles like shit. It’s gonna take me at least 6 months to transition as I don’t drive that far for school and work.

John Moore So how did it go? Or have you not tested it yet?

Ayo Heem so far I’ve gotten to E44 (44% ethanol.) I started the experiment a little later than anticipated and since the virus lockdown I really haven’t been driving. Last time I filled up I got 5 gallons of E85 and the rest of the tank, 6.9 gallons, was E15. Every fuel up I basically go to empty and just add an extra gallon of E85 to the mix hence the weird number I’m at right now, E44. So far no major problems, no leaks that weren’t already there, no overheating etc. My idle is still poor but I need to clean the MAF and the idle air control valve. If anything the car has been running slightly cool but that could just be the thermostat going, 20 year old car. MPG is definitely down at least 5-10%. As for power, I honestly can’t tell since it’s been so gradual. When you’re trying to feel/measure a few percentage difference in HP on a car that only makes like 120HP, it’s going to be almost impossible. I’m going to keep going with it, but economically it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense unless E85 is like a dollar cheaper than E10 or E15.

John Moore thanks for the update

Big brain that’s fax

Around here it's either 85% ethanol or 70% ethanol. I verified this by checking the fuel mix in my ECM. The mix is always dead on.

@@noname47032 idk, where around here is for you. But here in Northern Ohio in the winter especially E85 isn't really anywhere close to 85% ethanol. I used to own a Chevy Impala, that was flex fuel. I used torque and a repeatable highway course that I ran tests on all the time. Now I have lost most of my logs, because the car has been gone for very long time. But the one log I could find from September of 2015, my ECM shows 62.3% ethanol. I know I got lower ethanol numbers in colder months, but I couldn't find those logs anymore. I do want to thank you for your comment, it was fun digging through, and looking at my old torque logs, from my Chevy Impala.

Glad you liked it!

Did it blow up yet?

@@ichoozjc No. It ran like sht when it's cold and the cel light came on after 50 miles. The engine was running too lean. I filled it up with regular gas and it run fine now.

@@blackericdenice Lol, well that's a different story than your first reply. Of course it's gonna run like crap. You need 30% more fuel commanded with e85. Also your IDC will be over 100% on stock injectors. Get it tuned and new injectors and you will love it. I've been running it for 4 years. Took my wot timing from 15 to 19° while dropping s/c pulley sizes.

@@ichoozjc I ran e85 to see how my engine would run. It only ran like crap when it was COLD. It ran fine warm. The stock injectors don't have to be change but yes I would need a tune to use it.

Salam Hamdi how do you properly do that ?

Ralph Mejia the gas pump tells you how many gallons you’ve pumped

For example, my car gas tank, takes 12 gallons, i mix 4 gallons of e85 with 8 gallons of regular gas.

How's the weather there - it sits around freezing here- thats my main concern. But mixing like this may work just fine for my 94 Camry

@@nzmegz2773 I don't have my corolla 92 anymore, I would stay away from e85 when it's freezing, or you might have slow starting.

Hey thanks! But who is this lol

Rocco

Haha oh cool! Not sure about the diesel I don't wanna screw it up lol 😂

@@BoBuilds haha yeah I know, it would be a good watch though. Lol

my chevy with regular gas get about 30 mpg if i keep it about 75 mph..when i us E85 i get 28 mpg so it not that much of a lose

@@terrydarnell1954 Makes sense, but it’s also vehicle dependent.

@@notacreativehandle OEM Flex fuel tunes are notoriously bad. Like 150% fuel increase across the map, as if you were going to WOT all the time.

Zeolite as well

In one of my next videos I added like 3 degrees of timing lol

Jacob kaul proved it

@Dave Micolichek I drive and drove straight E85 on multiple non-flexfuel engines. First ones, a Corolla and a Peugeot 307, for those I changed injectors for bigger ones. (I used an ELM327 for checking fuel trim). Then I modified a carburetted Citroen AX, putting a bigger main jet allowed it to work, but barely, because even with the mixture screw as loose as possible it was still too lean at idle. I did not want to drill the idle jet, and it was not removable. After that I had a suzuki alto, for which i absolutely did not do anything, except for tricking the intake air temperature sensor (which allowed me to stop backfires on sudden accelerations) and adding a switch to trick the coolant temperature sensor to help cold starting. I then modified a second Citroen AX, which has a single point injection system, just by adding a washer in the pressure regulator. Works flawlessly. Now I'm driving a Daihatsu Move, for which I haven't modified anything. Works great, except for cold starting, I might trick the temperature sensor in the future.

@Dave Micolichek Yes, i did. And except for the carburetted engine, i always have added more and more E85 every fill up, to let the ECUs modify their fuel trim over a long enough time. In total, I probably have around 100,000 kms (60,000 mi) of e85 driving. I still haven't ever driven a car that was designed for e85 from the factory, or had a proper re-tune. The peugeot 307 and the two citroen AX I have not driven, except for testing purposes. they're cars driven by family. The 307 itself has driven over 70,000 kms since the modification (it has injectors bought used from a range rover v8, yes it fits and the flow+20% matches).

I am reading below 33% mix and you're good? 67% gas and 33% E85? Agree?

@@cat5tracker581 with no modification, most cars with fuel injection will work without any issue with this mix.

@@guillaumegaudin694 Why?

So is your Au stock. Untuned? I have 2010 fg xr6 can I blend it or fill up untuned for it?

My car runs very well on it but I have hybrid

Nah, just talking out his @$$. I shut it off after he started with old wives tales.

I think he just doesn't understand that every race car period runs on alcohol so if race cars are doing it why not a civic I ran E-85 in my Camry for 3 years straight and all I did was get a piggyback ECU fuelflex.international/

@@jemohammed lying 🤥

I just fly my scooter.

Id mix about 30% E85 to 87 octane and see what that gets you. Its a pretty good start on any OBD2 non tuned vehicle.

Yes it would. This isn't a valid test since it is not a stock tune

The seals and whatnot may not be compatible with constant high exposure to ethanol and can cause leaks. Also with today's direct injected engines the high pressure fuel pumps are lubricated by the oil content in regular fuel, and running a high ethanol content can cause them to fail. That's not an inexpensive repair.

I bought a 99 Mustang GT and it has e85. I don't believe the guy about it being "tuned" for it but I can surely smell that race fuel, smells fantastic lol.

My experience is exactly the same as yours.

did you add any e85 kits or modification to the car?

@@shingtai88 no I haven't, the jeep runs fine, must have the wide band o2 sensors in it... I tried the same with the commuter 15 Camry and it gets reduced fuel mileage, no so with the Jeep...

Based on what I have learned so far regarding E85. As long as it is been introduced slowly to the system while allowing it slowly clean up all the old build up inside of the system due to long term usage of regular fuel. This will cause the engine to perform less smoothly in the beginning; however, once the system is cleaned (like how we use alcohol to clean wounds) all cars are able to adapt to them (just like the first Ford engine would) and some may just need software update to run them.

I legit think you're right...before the kid screams help me I think he says "I need to get back to my dad"...😢

I think it was a seagull 👀

Id start with a 30% mix. You really need a wide band oxygen sensor to see where you are fuel wise. They can be installed pretty easily. If you can find a way to adjust your fuel pressure you should be able to get a decent tune with just that. Your cars O2 sensor determines the AF ratio when its warmed. WOT is where you will have to watch it doesnt use the O2 sensor just fixed fuel maps.

Yes, alcohol produces extremely low particulate matter (soot). So less carbon deposits, and lighter coloured used motor oil. The only issue regarding motor oil is that ethanol is less volatile than gasoline, so it will dilute your motor oil if you're doing short commutes. Better check by smell and viscosity, if you don't drive much that is.