Easy Ways To Tame The Fender Hot Rod Deluxe [Input 2, Dr Watson, Tube Changes & More!]

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Simple things to transform your experience of the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe guitar amplifier… should you want to
Welcome to the show! We published a video on July 14 2023, exploring ways in which you can tame the somewhat visceral nature of Fender’s Hot Rod Deluxe… should you wish to. That video was full of useful stuff, but many of you came back with a bunch of other suggestions, some of which are very simple and effective.
Here are our faves among those suggestions, as we explore yet more ways to turn this amp into something more usable for lower volume use.
Please enjoy the show!
SAFETY WARNING! Valve guitar amplifiers contain potentially lethal voltages. If you’re in ANY doubt about changing valves, don’t do it - take it to a tech.
Pedals & stuff in this episode
• TheGigRig Three2One
www.thegigrig.com/three2one
• Sonic Research Turbo Tuner ST-200
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• Boss SD-1W
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• Walrus Audio ARP-87
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• Doctor Watson Lion Tamer
We found ours on eBay
• Groove Tubes Substi-Tube 928-PR
No longer available new as far as we’re aware
Search for ‘Yellow Jackets’
Interesting bits and go-to sections
0:00 Intro playing
2:00 Why are we doing this again?
2:50 What’s the ‘problem’?
3:47 Volume pot taper…
4:40 Is that a problem?
6:20 Four things we’ll do today
7:00 Why is the Hook amp there?
8:00 Thing 1 - The Low Input
15:13 Thing 2 - Use The Drive Channel
28:07 Thing 3 - Dr Watson Lion Tamer
34:45 Dr Watson with delay in the front?
39:08 Thing 4 - Change Out Valve V1 intro
45:00 Preamp valve change sounds
51:00 Thing 5 - Change The Power Valves intro
54:20 Power valve change sounds
59:28 12AY7 & EL84s & Lion Tamer at lower volume
1:04:30 Closing thoughts and observations
Guitars in today’s episode
• 1961 Fender Stratocaster - Mick’s video here: • Three New Strats For M...
• Gibson USA SG Standard ’61 Maestro Vibrola - no video yet
Amps in today
• Fender Hot Rod Deluxe III - links to latest version
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USA: sweetwater.sjv.io/215moa
• Hook Amps Little Lenny II
hookamps.com/lenny/
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@RubyRoks 11 ай бұрын

Bravo to Mick for juggling amp settings, amp cam, co-hosting, playing, etc throughout this video.

@tnagewasteland320 Ай бұрын

Thanks boys for doing this. Spent about 5 hours at multiple shops this weekend trying to find a tube amp to replace my Vox Pathfinder 15smr for home use. Stumbled on a HRD that sounded incredible with my Jag Special HH and beat any smaller amp I tried (ac15, blues jr IV, etc) by a country mile. There was no denying that it would be pushing the upper limit of what Id call acceptable for a home use volume, however. Doable, but definitely WAY more power than I need. Bought myself a master volume pedal (similar to the JHS LBB) which will hopefully get me where I need to go, but cant thank yall enough to show how many more options I have to give myself more range while still keeping the tone that I fell in love with.

@jamesschaffner1992 11 ай бұрын

I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating: I used the overdrive channel of a hot rod deville for years, for hundreds of gigs, before somebody told me I wasn’t supposed to like it.

@artysanmobile 2 ай бұрын

Its Presence control should be set to OFF if not slightly lower.

@killereverb3928 2 ай бұрын

Nobody had to tell me. I’m the self-directed type: I hated the way the amp sounded immediately!

@WayneChurchill-zd3pm Ай бұрын

I have adaptor for the loopstation you can control the volume more

@rossedwards73 11 ай бұрын

I think the main problem people have with the HRDx drive channel is that they set the amp for clean, then swap to the drive/more drive. In that scenario, the shared EQ stack is always going to be a compromise. Better to dial in one channel and hit it with pedals.

@mikedoe525 11 ай бұрын

I don´t have a hrdx but I have the blues deluxe and I always used it as a one channel clean amp, sounds marvelous with any pedal in front of it (personally always used a barber direct drive as main dirt and a ts9 as booster).....the amp have the same problem than the hot rod tho, but main thing is this amps are made for live rigs and rehearsals, I wouldn´t buy this to keep it at home....

@ParaBellum2024 11 ай бұрын

@@mikedoe525 I have a BDR, and usually gig it using just the overdrive channel, set to mild drive at max guitar volume, using the guitar's volume control to clean up. I also have a Boss BD-2 that does the same thing just as well into the clean channel, and a solid state Peavey Bandit that works well with the BD-2. I haven't properly compared the two setups, but I do feel that the all-solid-state setup is up there with the valve amp.

@BoojayDeeth 11 ай бұрын

I've seen a numerous vids talking about The hot rod (I don't remember anyone liking the more drive setting) but hardly no one talks about the Blues Deluxe. This is a shame, especially as it has been back in production for some time. I understand they sound different (the blues being smoother and less brittle?) with the same volume hassles, but I've not seen the Blues D being shaken down in a similar way to the hot rod in this vid or any good detailed comparisons between the two for that matter. The Hot Rod was marketed as an improvement on the Blues but is it really the better amp?

@ParaBellum2024 11 ай бұрын

@@BoojayDeeth The Hot Rod appears to have one more feature than the BDR (i.e., 'more drive'), but in practice, at gig volumes no-one needs as much gain as they expected to when playing in the bedroom! If I max the gain on my BDR, there's too much overdrive, so I don't feel the need to get a Hot Rod.

@kasakka 11 ай бұрын

That's a problem with most amps with standard tone stacks really. Usually you find a compromise that sorta works for both channels but doesn't sound as good as it could for either. The best shared EQ I've experienced is on the BluGuitar Amp 1 Mercury Edition where it's actually a low/high shelf filters and a 600 Hz midrange filter instead of a regular tone stack.

@jonaserfors6901 11 ай бұрын

Just came back from first gig in 25 years, and It was awesome! I cant thank you enough for the inspiration and support that comes from the community you have created!

@ThatPedalShow 11 ай бұрын

That’s awesome!!! Best news we’ve heard all day. Well done mate 🤓👍

@carsgunsandguitars 11 ай бұрын

That's great, how was it?

@jonaserfors6901 11 ай бұрын

It was so much fun!! Folk/doom metal at a tattoo convention. More gigs already being planed! Thanks for asking.

@terryeaster1 8 ай бұрын

That's awesome man, I rededicated to music about 2 years ago. I've played about 5solo gigs. Started singing live lead vocal for the first time. I LOVE IT.

@HyperBlueZYZ 11 ай бұрын

FRIDAY is TPS DAY! 1) wake 5am 2) find shoes 3) feed chickens and pigs 4) find caffeine in some form, prepare, consume 5) grab a guitar and remote control for some leg end guitar geekery 6) 6am TPS FTW let the weekend begin! Thanks Gents!

@stefanogiacovelli3477 11 ай бұрын

Loved the 12AY7 in V1 😀 In fact, I have been using that trick since a few years. It was also worth seeing your jaw drop at the moment you realized it really worked 😁😁😁 I think that swapping a single preamp tube is the most cost-effective and easy trick.

@Progpolitic93 11 ай бұрын

I’ve been gigging a HRD with a lion tamer and it’s awesome. Saves me from bringing out the vintage amps, 4 pedal board with a COT50, Mjolnir, Blue Hippo, and DM-2W. Everything you want nothing you don’t. Great job guys as always 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 0:01 0:01

@happihockey8601 11 ай бұрын

Once those EL84's went in, Dan was at home and really getting super tasty tones at a controlled volume level, like the man said "awesome, really awesome" Totally changed up the amp. Really surprised by that.

@joelewis7072 11 ай бұрын

That intro touched my heart on a level a man can't fully explain.. however I'm thankful to God for the public sharing of such phenomenal talent, tone and the mastery of expression.

@tonyevans9999 11 ай бұрын

Seconding Mick's athletics. All of this was absolutely fascinating. I made a very very simple attenuator using an Lpad pot and a bypass switch just so I can use my 60's Moody BA17 in my loungeroom all the time and I don't hear a tone loss until it's really down low, as in barely audible. It sparks joy in my humble existence

@conorlarkin1111 11 ай бұрын

I second this!

@klapaucjusz1 11 ай бұрын

I have a HRD III. I put in a Celestion A-Type speaker in, always use input 2 and clean channel. I use a strat, and for cleans I always use TC Spark with mid boost on and an Xotic comp set for very slight compression. I am very happy with the sounds I get this way. Honestly, I prefer my HRD to my DRRI. In the HRD I also experimented with different preamp tubes, and an EQ pedal in the loop, but it got me nowhere.

@gcvrsa 11 ай бұрын

This has been my favorite show in a short while, because it's all the subjects that are near and dear to me. If anyone remembers, they probably get tired of hearing me say it, but I play a Mesa/Boogie F-50 with 12AU7s in V1 & V2 to tame the preamp gain, and KT66s in V5 & V6 for even more headroom than the stock 6L6GCs, but I sometimes use THD Yellowjackets with EL84s for a different tone. Even with the 12AU7s and EL84s, the F-50 is loud enough to play a gig with a loud rock band. I don't use these tricks to tame the volume, I use them to change the overdrive characteristics to suit my preferences. 12AX7s just have way too much gain for my tastes, but sub in a 12AU7 or 12AY7 and crank the volume up, and you will have all the gain you can use. People should remember that the Fender tweed amps all originally came with 12AY7s in the preamps. The 12AT7 and 12AU7 are really meant more for high current applications (like phase inverters and reverb/fx loop drivers), so the 12AY7 and 12AX7 are more similar to each other, although in most cases, an AT or AU can be substituted without any other circuit changes. There is also the 12DW7, which has one half of an AX and one half of an AU.

@GCKelloch 11 ай бұрын

You know if the PSU can supply enough current for KT66's, and which brand do you use? You may not be getting the headroom and clarity KT66 offer if it's only 1A, or less. You could try a pair of Tung-Sol 7581a in that case. They are a reissue Milspec 6L6GC that sound like KT66-- tighter bass, high headroom and rounder clipping knee.

@lars-fenin Ай бұрын

use the AU7 in v1 in my hot rod deluxe.. for me much better than the stock AX7. (besides some other mods regarding the volume range, and the reverb pot plus changing the capacitors)

@henninghesse9910 11 ай бұрын

The tube switching was revealing. Thank you for going into all of this!

@johnsawyer6145 11 ай бұрын

The Hot Rod Deluxe was my first amp. I bought it “sound unheard” from a catalog. I remember the wording from the catalog, describing it as having “plenty of swat” and the copy wasn’t lying. I ran into similar difficulties with the volume, etc. and sold it. I feel like I just didn’t know what I was doing. I’m quite happy with my Deluxe Reverb and Super Reverb now. A lot easier for me to handle/control and fewer workarounds needed.

@telecasterguitarslinger 11 ай бұрын

I mentioned this very problem to an amp tech with my Deville not being able to find a middle spot with volume. His fix was a resistor on the volume pot and the problem is fixed !! ❤ Still sounds glorious.

@RevRance42 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for doing this series of videos. I have a Blues Deville that I have been wanting to address and you guys have given me a few different options. These videos have been a great help!

@mmskier 11 ай бұрын

Appreciate your videos, guys! Through a combination of videos from Psionic Audio, I recently had the following done to my HRD iii: V1 (12AY7) V2 (12AX7) PI (12AT7) Filter caps replaced with F&T's Diodes, resistors, etc. replaced + raised well off the board to avoid burning Molded speaker cable replaced with something better than what came stock Power tubes replaced Biasing Glad to see we essentially came to the same conclusions + hoping this info helps others! *I use the JHS Little Black Box in the FX loop as well - allows me to include other effects in the loop along with it

@smartlevel1450 10 ай бұрын

C1 22uF C56 22uF C5 .047uF C7 360pF C6 .015 uF C103 cut

@ckturvey 11 ай бұрын

Wow The difference between the drive channel on your Series III HRD is very different than my Series IV. On mine, The channel doesn't start overdriving until 4.5 whereas yours started at 3 or even less. So for my 'squishier ' clean sound I set the drive on 4 , Treble on 10, Mids 2, Bass 5 and Master on 3.5. This is very close in volume of the clean channel on 3 except for the spikey transients when you play hard. I also really liked how Dan sounded on the SG. Especially the middle position. I think the overall lesson here is for any piece of gear, it will sound better the more time you spend with it learning how to dial it in using your ears and less on what you read in the internet. :)

@DreHolzer 9 ай бұрын

So, great show. I built myself a Lion Tamer as a normal pedal on my Blues Deluxe Reissue IV and that goes at the end of the pedal chain, so you can still use the effects loop and get the same results as the Lion Tamer you guys bought. Then I changed the speaker. I now have a Celestion G12 (70 watts) IN the Blues Deluxe and I also got myself a 1x12 Laney cabinet in which I placed a Jensen C12 (50 watts). Now you can use the amp for recording at home and it sounds great both with the Celestion and the Jensen. Still experimenting but it's fun.

@El-Scorcho 11 ай бұрын

29:20 my favorite moment of the episode 😂😂 y’all are so on point here!

@danialollis9200 11 ай бұрын

I had a Hot Rod Deville for a period of time and used a device similar to the Lion Tamer in the loop, or at the end of my pedalboard. Worked great. Simple. Inexpensive. Effective.

@mattlogie1204 11 ай бұрын

What a GREAT ep! Hearing the tube difference was wild

@trentwaterman7049 11 ай бұрын

Good one boys. Some amazing sounding, easy and practical mods rights there. Thanks!

@cirjames2540 11 ай бұрын

I use an 12AY7 in my Fender Pro Jr and it works perfectly for less gain and home play. Great show as always!

@eoinc4091 11 ай бұрын

I had a Blues Jr. for years and couldn’t use till I saw Phil McKnight showing how to do the valve swop for the 12AY7. It sounds fantastic now… I also swopped the Jensen for a Celestion NeoCreamback! Made it even better !

@DirtyDavesDirt 11 ай бұрын

Did the same in my Blues Junior as well, the overall volume didn’t change just a better sweep

@StephenWheel 11 ай бұрын

Thanks both, that was fantastic. I super appreciate the amount of effort you went through for this episode. Excellent stuff. I have a Blues Deluxe I love (with Eminence speaker and new reverb tank) but I’ll definitely try the AY7 in it. Cheers!

@Adventuresingearland 11 ай бұрын

Wonderful video, team - thank you. Really showing in tremendous detail how astonishing this ‘old valve technology’ is…..STILL! These things are where the magic is to this day. Emulations/captures/sims etc do a thing. Vales do THE thing. More (valve) power to you, gents as ever.

@lars-eriklarsson85 11 ай бұрын

I love the fact that in the end you converted the hot rod deluxe to a bluesjunior! Nice show overall as always, cheers!

@jeremyversusjazz 11 ай бұрын

Maybe turning the presence down might make it less strident overall. 🤷‍♂️ i noticed it was pretty cranked the whole time…or maybe i missed something. Love that u guys would devote so much time and 3nergy into helping players get the most of such an affordable and ubiquitous amp.

@WayneChurchill-zd3pm Ай бұрын

I used the drive channel

@MrAwesomeSaucesome 11 ай бұрын

First amp i ever loved. Some years ago now, now, was in a rehearsal room so had it a little wound up. First valve amp and was truly my induction. Am still mainly a fender amp fan

@gregantonowicz2818 11 ай бұрын

Hi Dan, I've been a tele guy forever too. And I also have a nice les Paul..... but the SG is the Gibson I play the most. It's the Tele of Gibsons, if that makes any sense. Another work horse.

@psychonaut689 3 ай бұрын

Love this show - you guys are the real sonic scientists/experimentalists answering the questions we want to know. Your guitar playing is also very good btw.

@jackgreenwood1817 11 ай бұрын

I was surprised how much the sound of the amp changed after it was thoroughly warmed up. That coupled with more volume was enough to make the amp sound much more pleasant than the spiky, just turned on, quieter amp at the start of the video. Really interesting video, I've never had a HRD but I did enjoy the journey with you. Thanks for another great video.

@jrchanning 11 ай бұрын

Maybe Fender just need to make a "Warm Rod Deluxe" !!, seriously such a fun and fascinating episode, brilliant stuff 😄

@GiacomoRavioli 16 күн бұрын

@jbognap 11 ай бұрын

It's great that you guys are dedicating so much time to the HDR, after all, it's one of the most popular amps in the world, and not everyone has the means to just chuck it and buy a new amp. It's nice to see the real world results of what mods are possible. For home use, my humble suggestion is to put a simple mfx unit with an inbuilt volume pedal, into the effects loop. Not only can you manage the volume, but you can apply EQ to remove any harsh frequencies and even add compression/limiting to adjust the response and feel of the amp.

@JoeMama410 11 ай бұрын

I put a 12AT7 in v1 (now a 12AY7) and it did such an incredible job of bringing the amp back under control . Not a huge volume drop but just enough. It also made the drive channel much smoother.

@damnbigfish 11 ай бұрын

I did the same (12 AT7) ! Also put a Tone Tubby alnico speaker in it. Everybody who plays this amp kinda scratches their head and goes "Hunh...I thought I didn't like these..."

@rafaelgonzalez-rb8yq 8 ай бұрын

T7 Y7 BOTH GREAT CHOICE S LIKE IN THE FENDER BASSMAN

@adamwatson6916 13 күн бұрын

The 12AT7 works great in the phase inverter slot as well . Help make the drive smoother and clearer.

@michaelanastasi9969 7 ай бұрын

Thank you! Just finding this update after the first HRD video is awesome, I have an SG too as well as this amp and will definitely try this.

@KristofferVad 11 ай бұрын

Dan’s playing on that SG was sweet AF. Lovely tones, lovelier schwang! 12AY7 mod my favourite.

@gibgezr 11 ай бұрын

Just to point out re the Lion Tamer and using delay in the effects loop: you could use adapter cables and run it more like a pedal in the loop, with the delay running into it. In other words, run BOTH the time-based effects AND the attenuator in the loop.

@forestgreenman 11 ай бұрын

I have watched the beginning of this video a couple of times because this is some of the BEST Strat tone I have heard. It so often seems like people try to dial in great tone but do their best to avoid letting it sound like a Strat through a fender amp. It really baffles me but I guess too often they use a Strat when they might try a different guitar, if they have one at hand. Anyway, thanks for yet another great video!

@joepeezy4sheezy 11 ай бұрын

For a moment I was thrilled to finally see a Dr Z amp on the show. Alas…

@auttathaway 11 ай бұрын

Bravo! I did a similar thing on my AC15 with the tubes, going for Tubes that are less efficient, even though I forgot which it were. Made a massive difference at lower bedroom volume

@terryeaster1 8 ай бұрын

Such an outstanding video!!!! GREAT work guys

@eaglerayrob 11 ай бұрын

"The Visceral Nature of Volume" that would be an excellent name for an album.

@clydebillingsworth8574 11 ай бұрын

Anybody noticed how on point Dan's beard has been the last couple episodes?

@dfuzzybuzzy 11 ай бұрын

MOST excellent stuff. I love watching the tinkering. Saves me from messing up my own gear! =) Cheers dudes!

@davidsisbarro1501 11 ай бұрын

Great to see Dan playing the middle position on the SG. I love that sound.

@randyprice6445 6 ай бұрын

That was a great demo session. Right now, I'm playing my 2019 re-issue Fender 57 Custom Deluxe Tweed. Maybe I'll pull out my forgotten Hot Rod Deluxe and give her another try. Your demo sparked my interest. Carry own my friends. Randy Price fron West Texas.

@NateThunder 11 ай бұрын

I have a Pro Junior and a Deville. I love this series of Fender. I use the Dr Watson in the Deville; it typically does the trick. I think the overdrive channel is great; it soaks up an overdrive or distortion pedal really well.

@ChrisJohnson-lp3hc 11 ай бұрын

Dang, the dark blue and teal on Dan’s flannel compliments the red of the SG amazingly!

@jackrussellbruce7565 11 ай бұрын

Guys, just wanted to say I love your videos so much. I even came up with an idea for a video a few years back which you used! I just wish your talking mics were maybe +3dB greater so they matched the guitars better. I'm forever riding the volume wheel between your playing and your talking! Keep up the good work leg-ends!

@kastle4774 11 ай бұрын

just as i’m considering getting a hot rod deluxe, you guys are putting out all these videos on them!! love your content so much.

@MrNeilltupman 11 ай бұрын

Do it, you won't regret it! Great pedal platform too, which is why we're all here right? 😉😃

@jerrychadwick3581 11 ай бұрын

+1. @mrNeilltupman is absolutely right. Love mine. I use the JHS LBAB and love it.

@roygreene406 8 ай бұрын

What is better for pedals, the front of the amp or the loop.?

@periloustemple8290 11 ай бұрын

Love it, love it, love it! About the Dr. Watson: to my ears, the top changes a lot - which I'd expect. Of course, you can make up with treble and mid adjust. My own amp only has a Tone Cut (fiddles with phase inverter as I understand it). So, I abandoned the JHS black box for that amp. But it is a simple and usable solution. Anyway, great SG and great tones today. Btw, glad to hear that SD1w today - even though it can be a mess! My favorite use case for mine is in front of a Muff. My other mid-push needs are handled by the Tumnus Deluxe. FWIW. And, loved the delay in front!!!

@chriswallace9387 3 ай бұрын

You guys put the work in for sure. Awesome followup to the 1st vid. Love the HRD, i have the version 4, and it’s a special run. So different look and speaker. Placed a fan in it to preserve it. I do use the attenuator at home.

@kcole4001 11 ай бұрын

Brilliant video! I'm sold on the Dr. Watson, I have a Peavey Delta Blues 210 whose clean channel (of which I prefer the tone) never breaks up at all. The volume pot injected into the loop should give me some really nice control over it. Well done guys!

@danabnormal5892 11 ай бұрын

I have a new hot rod deluxe v4 with the cannabis Rex speaker. I use the 12AY7 and the lion tamer. I gotta say it’s a fab amp

@citternboy 11 ай бұрын

Moved on from my Hot Rod deluxe mk 1 to a Victory V40 deluxe, but I did put TAD valves in pre (12ay7)and power amp and they made a marked difference, I also recently used a Harley benton American Sound in input 1, that was great, just a massive difference with the victory v40, but I could gig happily with the hotrod and the American Sound, it's a good amp but I only used the clean channel

@tobymearing8407 10 ай бұрын

i love your 'experiments shows' this is a doozy and i never thought valves would go on my shopping list but that GT5751 just sings! thank you

@admarhermans1 11 ай бұрын

Great little Fender amp! Thank you for the great tips on using this amp. A lot of guitarists I play with, use this very amp, and I see it a lot as a back-line amp at festivals. I’ll be sending this video of yours to all the guitarist humanoïds I know. 🖖

@jep3305 11 ай бұрын

After 01:10 I could have stopped watching. That was BEAUTIFUL. You made my day. Thank you, Mick!

@jasonmorgan4894 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for this video. I have this amp collecting dust because of the volume level. I will now be able to use it. Cheers

@WhatsUpWhitey 11 ай бұрын

Fantastic info. Thanks gents!!!

@stephenwhite1852 11 ай бұрын

Recently swapped to the 12AY7 - huge difference. I also picked up an origin revival drive compact and that completely transformed the sound of the amp. Amazing pedal

@rafaelgonzalez-rb8yq 8 ай бұрын

Y7 1st position just like fender bassman

@TrojanHamster 8 ай бұрын

I’ve got a Deville III and the 12ay7 in v1 is a change I need to make. Maybe a Doctor Watson for home use as well… Really appreciate you guys doing this in so much depth. Definitely inspires more confidence than trawling the depths of internet forums! 😂

@Bulletman426 4 ай бұрын

I agree that is sounds boxy stock. I replaced the speaker with a G12T-75 and you’ll love it. The amp woke up and there’s no more shrillness or that boxy sound. Best upgrade I did along with the 12AT7 tube mod. Awesome now

@crystalneth994 11 ай бұрын

Dr Watson is a heck of an improvement! Just ordered one

@fletches4084 11 ай бұрын

I did the 12AY7 thing in a bassbreaker 18/30 I had (briefly). Made it almost usable but not quite. It got traded for an Epiphone Blues Custom 30 (sadly now discontinued) which is a much better prospect all around (apart from the fact that it weighs as much as a small planet for nominally the same physical size as the BB18/30). Ultimately there are perhaps "better" amps to be had for the money than a HRD if you are prepared to look around. The level control issue affects so many Fender amps and it is refreshing to find something that can do what the Fenders do but without the drawbacks.

@adammkoss 11 ай бұрын

Couple decades are I had a Hughes and Kettner Edition Tube (two channel, 2 x EL84s) but eventually found the was way too much gain on the lead channel. I immediately subbed an RCA 6072 (12AY7) for the input stage tube and the results were amazing - beautiful tone, controlled, usable throughout the range. I recommend this easy mod for anyone looking for similar results.

@LWMyrth 11 ай бұрын

Don't have this amp but appreciate the concepts anyway. Thanks fellas! Nice playing as always

@chedhead3278 11 ай бұрын

Cheers chaps, dead interesting that. For me definitely a few more sweet spots with these options.

@luccacassandra 11 ай бұрын

Noels Knobs is PHENOMENAL oh my goodness I fell out of my chair laughing

@GitShiddy 11 ай бұрын

Second video this week involving swapping power amp tubes (Kris Barocsi did a blind comparison with 5 different power tubes) and it is truly fascinating just how much things change. I am definitely someone who is quite sick of hearing the Hot Rod Deluxe on TPS, so many episodes and it sounds not brilliant, (unless you change the tubes) however the learned experience has such value. I'm quite content with the sound of my amps & have never (in 20+ years of playing) had to touch, replace, rebias, do anything with my tubes. But with this I wouldn't be afraid to muck about with them (except in my amps from the 50s, those stay as is).

@mikemercer5808 11 ай бұрын

"We gave up on that idea" LMAO! 🤣 Thanks for making me laugh today fellas!

@studio-d943 11 ай бұрын

Celestion G12M-65, it became woody, warm, and no more harch. Bass,mid,trbl pots at noon! MXR silver ten band eq , always on, still in the loop only to buffer and tame volume if needed. Loving this HRD IV. Good job again guys!

@shadowulf 9 ай бұрын

Where was all this 20 years ago when I couldnt stand my HRD! Actually, I knew about the volume pot in the fx loop, and the AY7 tubes. It was that the 40 watts was too loud for I wanted. Good job guys

@Chrismayo1981 11 ай бұрын

I always liked the second input into a pushed clean sound overdrive channel. Then I used “more drive” as a boost.

@pedalscapes 11 ай бұрын

Fab! Great show, very informative - The AY7 in V1 with the 6L6s, sounded like the zone to me very sweet... I've used the GB-HRD which comes with the AT7 in V1 as standard and has always worked well - interest is piqued now to try the AY7 in it's place - cheers 😎

@grooveitman929 9 ай бұрын

I´ve made most of theses modifications in my blues deluxe some years ago to good result. The best here was that SG, it sounds gorgeous!

@jordanchilll 10 ай бұрын

Love you guys’ content, as always. I feel like I have grown so much as a guitarist watching this channel over the years. I would love to see you guys throw in the Kasleder Toxic Twins dual OD in a Pic n Mix or however you may see fit, but it is a fantastic OD pedal & I would like to hear it played through your fingers!! Thanks for reading 📖 ♥️ Greetings from the USA! 🇺🇸

@robmusorpheus5640 11 ай бұрын

It's funny that now I have sold my HRDx, no matter what you play, which guitars, which preamp valves, it still sounds like the HRDx to me. The circuit has a particular sound. I had a different speaker, a 5751 in V1, version IV, I used it for years, and found eventually, that changes are just variations on a theme. I did not know what I had been missing out on, in a high quality smaller amp. No matter what we do to this amp, it still sounds like a hot rod deluxe. The power valve change altered the sound the most. The changes and mods, are about what you need to make it practical for you as a player. The sound of the amp is still there. It barks at ya, and refuses to hug you.

@egoncorneliscallery9535 11 ай бұрын

I do agree with all of that. But IF you have one some of those mods will be useful.

@KingfieldGuitarCo 11 ай бұрын

That SG was made for Dan. Perfect.

@william7108 11 ай бұрын

That Hot Rod Deluxe sounds great to me seriously

@BITESIZEJONES 8 күн бұрын

Agreed only an amateur or metal head will complain like a little bitch.

@cobravinci 11 ай бұрын

Great video ! Can't wait to use the Dr Watson trick in mine... and to hear more about the Hook amp, which sounded really good (even if it wasnnt the purpose of this show)! 😊

@jacob_miller 11 ай бұрын

I love this for the differences between the valves, both in the pre and power amp stages. Really well done!. When it comes to playing at “home volume”, at some point you should just invest in a Two Notes captor X or similar for valve amps at low volume, then you reach a point where you just aren’t moving the voice coil enough!, then find a good IR and a pair of Rockit 5 speakers or similar, and have option of headphones. The AY7 transformed the character of this amp and should be done regardless. It’s not lost on me how lucky I am to have no noise restrictions at my home other than making sure the dog isn’t laying in front of one of the 4x12’s 🤣 (tone dog loves the tone) Thanks gents for another amazing episode 🙏😊

@MarcCoteMusic 11 ай бұрын

I'm only 9 minutes into the video but I'll mention this now before I forget... I just gigged for the first time with a HR Deluxe 4 provided as backline... The Celestion A-Type in the HRD 4 is VASTLY different sounding to the G12P-80 in the HRD 3. The spiky sound of the 3, which I wasn't a fan of, has been tamed with the A-Type. I didn't try the dirty channel so can't compare that, but now I've got GAS for the HRD 4.

@gertzpalma 10 ай бұрын

THANKS!

@jacknack 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for playing the SG!!!

@joshuaraysummey7679 11 ай бұрын

This was a great couple videos. I killed two HRDs in as many decades and loved every second. This, more than anything helped me understand why people hate them lol! I've always loved it and never understand when people bash it :) I used (what you dub) the 'pushed clean' technique the whole time! I don't think ive ever used the clean channel on that amp! I honestly dont know what i sound like through it :)

@Cheguebuddha 11 ай бұрын

Thanks lads! Just put a 12AY7 into the V1 of my VOX AC15 and by far sound less bright/harsh than the 12AX7 and even the dirve sound is softer now with the 12AY7. Very happy!

@MrNeilltupman 11 ай бұрын

Kudos chaps for following this up with this extended look at different options to tame the HRD; a very thorough investigation. I was one of those posting about the Dr. Watson Lion Tamer. I've been using one to attenuate the clean volume which I park on about 4/5, like you observed. Set like that it's not overdriving too much so as not to overly mush up my delays in the front end. I've never used my FX loop, and much prefer running all my board into the front of the amp, so this 20 quid widget is just wonderful. I've recommended it to numerous HRD owner friends, and like me, they've never looked back.

@MrNeilltupman 11 ай бұрын

The valve swap segment was eye-opening, but for me the amp is changing its characteristic. Not a bad thing, but Triggers Broom springs to mind! 😂

@MrNeilltupman 11 ай бұрын

Side comment; I've always been petrified of swPping valves in and out. Mick seemed to be happy and was swapping valves like he was changing settings on a pedal. Is there not some dark voodoo with biasing to be considered? Novice question; I don't want to blow myself up 😅

@johnsmith-sm6mh 8 ай бұрын

Brilliant, thanks fellas , just swapped my Boogie 5.25 for a Blues Deluxe “ for the shimmer, bloom, and headroom “ also invested in the Dr Watson too, but the info on swapping tubes/valves was invaluable. Cheers John

@southernsantapiper7556 2 ай бұрын

I use the 12AY7 and Dr Watson Lion Tamer. Perfect and cost effective method of taming this amp. Thanks for a great video! It's what influenced my purchase!

@druwk 11 ай бұрын

Always a reminder to learn to use the equipment you have rather buying stuff and moving it along. This especially true when you’re talking about gear that has an incredible amount of range. The more variables, the more interactions, the more possibilities! I don’t own a HRD, kind of glad. Same principles to stripping down your sound from your pedal board?

@ronrumsey3205 11 ай бұрын

Well done, gentlemen!

@creeker90 11 ай бұрын

I've got the same configuration of valves in an old 70s Fender clone, so 12AY7 and EL84 and it’s a pretty usable amp at home and on stage with this. Great compression at farily nice volumes.

@HalfFastForward 11 ай бұрын

I will definitely try a different preamp tube in my Jet City combo. Thanks for all the great content.

@McBoggler 11 ай бұрын

I’ve got a HRD MK4 and I think it’s awesome. I swapped the speaker out to Eminence Tonker for more bottom end and roll off some top end. It’s an excellent pedal platform. I’ve owned a few £2000+ tube amps and paid £400 2nd hand for the HRD and you can’t fault it for band for you buck. Best gigging amp there is. Also love the overdrive sounds of the MK4!

@admarhermans1 11 ай бұрын

For my ears, the best results were those with both the powertubes and preamptubes swapped. Perhaps the Dr. Watson and swapped preamp tube too. The amp sounded a lot sweeter, and so did the SG’s upper mids and highs through it. (Great guitar, this SG, perhaps kind of more for Dan’s taste, because he loves the particular Tele-like highs and upper mids through this Fender amp. It sounds to me like a Tele on steroids, this one.) Great amp, that little Fender! Easy to modify, because of your video! Thank you, Good show!! 🖖

@matthewcollis-long5233 11 ай бұрын

Fantastic Show. More like this please. And please could we have part three, focussing on speakers? As ever I/We love what you do. MOTS please, Groins!!!!

@stratomycaster881 5 ай бұрын

Thanks to this episode with Dan and Mick, I dusted off my HRDiv and swapped in an EH 12ay7. Never liked the drive/more drive channel (the reason she was gathering all that dust) but what a difference with the 12ay7!! It’s an entirely different amp. Have only tried it Strat singles so far this afternoon. Very musical and loves additional drive with pedals in front. Thank you as always for the inspiration!! 1:00:34