Echoes of Gilgamesh

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The Epic of Gilgamesh pre-dates the book of Genesis by thousands of years. In this early Toronto Centre Place lecture, John Hamer looks at the many ways themes from the ancient Sumerian epic are echoed in the later Biblical account.
0:00 Echoes of Gilgamesh
16:53 Cuneiform"Wedge-Shaped" Writing
19:07 Akkadian Empire from the 2300s BCE
27:40 Sumerian/Akkadian Pantheon (Examples) • Inanna/Ishtar (planet Venus)
33:23 Epic of Gilgamesh: Mortality and the Meaning of Life . Although among the earliest works of literature, Gilgamesh's exploration of its themes - mortality and life's meaning
35:30 Prologue (following N.K. Sandars)
38:20 Portrait of Gilgamesh
38:30 King of the Weary People of Uruk
40:45 Aruru Creates Enkidu
41:29 Enkidu Loses His Innocence/Becomes Civilized • Savage Enkidu lives among animals; saving them from a hunter's traps
43:11 Enkidu and Gilgamesh: True Bromance
44:10 Motivation for a Quest: A Kind of Immortality
46:52 Inanna/Ishtar Proposes & Is Refused
48:25 Slaying the Bull of Heaven
50:33 Gilgamesh's Search for Everlasting Life
52:51 Encounter with Siduri, Goddess of Wine
54:13 Encountering Utnapishtim
54:53 Utnapishtim's Response
56:14 The Story of the Flood
57:20 A Plant that Restores Youth

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@glenn-younger 2 жыл бұрын

Anyone else want to plan a trip to Toronto to hear him in person? :-)

@phinhager6509 2 жыл бұрын

Here

@hate4what Жыл бұрын

you really need to look up rod hayes and bobby hemmit and yes there are black men .. remember all these studies come from black guys

@hate4what Жыл бұрын

not too mention these people like gilgamesh was a blackman

@realityisenough 3 ай бұрын

Loool we wuz kingz

@wakeuppeoplewakethefup.4540 2 ай бұрын

@@hate4whatWhy does it always come down to skin color ? Do we not come from the same Creator?

@bonerici 2 жыл бұрын

Peace Justice love! Great work pastor John. Ever since I started watching your videos I can't stop.

@austinhertell5634 Ай бұрын

Heck yeah brother me too

@yohanrives3752 2 жыл бұрын

There's another story featuring Gilgamesh where the goddess Inanna finds a tree that she transfers to her garden and later she finds out a snake is coiling at the roots, a bird is nesting at the top, and Lilith is living in the middle branches, and Gilgamesh comes to scare them all away...

@austinhertell5634 Ай бұрын

Heck yeah brother great lecture!

@marymagnuson5191 7 ай бұрын

Just love your lectures. Only found you a few months ago and trying to catch up on all lectures.

@faelismaegnus 4 ай бұрын

Gilgamesh is mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so it's incorrect to say that Gilgamesh was forgotten after cuneiform writing fell out of use. He isn't directly referenced in the main biblical texts found among the scrolls. However, his name appears in a specific fragment known as the Book of Giants, which is part of the Enoch corpus. This corpus refers to a collection of ancient Jewish texts not included in the Hebrew Bible but considered relevant by the Qumran community, believed to be the Essenes, who owned the Dead Sea Scrolls.

@RelivingHistory1 2 ай бұрын

What did it this fragment say about Gilgamesh?

@dannygrinuk6420 Жыл бұрын

Guys please just run the audio with whatever is on the TV screen for video. We miss half the visuals of the presentation for what exactly? A picture of a man standing and talking about something on a video screen that we can't see! The speaker wants us to see what he is displaying. Why don't you?

@DMariaLR 2 жыл бұрын

Great introduction. Thank you for sharing

@thli8472 2 жыл бұрын

It always struck me that the story of Adam and Eve is very similar to the story about Enkidu and the hierophant, but I haven't seen it anywhere. It's interesting because it's a quite small thing in Gilgamesh and so big in Christianity. I think Enkidu might even live in Eden (ie. the fertile plains). What do you think?

@richq11 2 жыл бұрын

A man named Mauro Biglino was hired by the Vatican to translate the Old Testament from the original Maserite and he found it to be identical to the Sumerian accounts found in the Atrahasis and Enuma Elis. The Garden was in Eridu, Enki's city in Mesopotamia and Adam and Eve (the Adama or Adapa) his creations.

@WalterRMattfeld 2 жыл бұрын

Thomas Lindroth wrote: " I think Enkidu might even live in Eden (ie. the fertile plain) What do you think?" Dear Thomas, you are again correct in your hunch. Recently a great Opus has been published by a British scholar, Professor Andrew George (London), on the Epic of Gilgamesh. He has assembled all known variants of the Epic and discussed them in great scholarly detail. In this $1,000 Opus he has noted the presence of Sumerian logograms in the Epic. He has Enkidu meeting Shamhat at a watering hole in the EDIN (a Sumerian logogram, a substitute for the Babylonian word Tseri, meaning for George "Wilderness." ) His work also exists in an inexpensive paperback version for those unable to pony up $1,000.00. The problem? He does not go into very much detail in paperback and you will find no mention about the Sumerian logogram EDIN in the Epic. Only the $1,000 OPUS has this info! So, you are right Thomas, Enkidu meets Shamahat at a watering hole in the EDIN. Her task? She is to replace his animal companions with herself via sex. When he tires himself out after 6 days of nights of sleeping with the temple prostitute, he attempts to return to his beastly companions (wild cattle and Antelope). They will have nothing to do with him now and runaway. Being exhuausted by sex, he cannot run with them. He realizes his beasts have rejected him. The Harlot asks, "Why run with EDIN'S beasts? Come with me to Unug/Uriuk to meet Gilgamesh." He accepts her offer. Before leaving EDIN she shares her clothing with him to cover his hairy nakedness, so EDIN's naked man learns in EDIN from a naked woman, it is wrong to be naked in EDIN. Enroute to Unug (a Sumerian logogram for Uruk) they meet shepherds. They offer him beer and bread, he balks at consuming these items, for he knows to consume only water and grass with is beasts. Shamhat intervenes and coaxes Enkidu into consuming these forbidden food items. The shepherds then announce Enkidu is no longer a naked hairy beast of EDIN, he is now a civilized man and they award him a robe, fit for a king, to cover his nakedness. Then Enkidu and Shamhat precede on, from EDIN to Unug/Uruk to meet Gilgamesh. Enkidu's reasoning powers were limited until he met Shamhat, just as EDIN'S beasts (Wild cattle and Antelope) go about naked with no clothes, so too Enkidu was naked, not knowing it was wrong to be naked. Only civilized man knew it was wrong to be naked. Regards, Walter

@richq11 2 жыл бұрын

@@WalterRMattfeld Enki did indeed live in Eden which was in Eridu, Enki's city.

@bubbag8895 4 ай бұрын

Loooong ago

@Grey-Elder 5 ай бұрын

I love to study, and study and study.

@luciferjunkie 2 жыл бұрын

The lion he carries represents the age of Leo i imagine

@tamirhalperin2404 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely love your videos. @28:59, could we say that Enki corresponds to Prometheus and Enlil to Jupiter or Zeus?

@asabovesobelow5683 Жыл бұрын

Yes. Also Enki was the serpent in the garden. We got this religion stuff all messed up.

@pebystroll 3 ай бұрын

Would you mind expanding on this?@@asabovesobelow5683

@bothewolf3466 2 ай бұрын

What was the name of the Abbess mentioned, whom ended up sovreign as a result of the position? I'd like to read more on her or the multiple hers that were in similar positions.

@richardbradley1532 2 жыл бұрын

Certainly like your mission statement 👌

@johnobrien6415 2 жыл бұрын

Actually, Gilgamesh's genealogy has been mistranslated. The newest interpretation is that he's 1/2 man, 1/2 pig and 1/2 bear. I'm totally cereal.

@alcoholicnerd514 2 жыл бұрын

Let me guess! This interpretation was offered by All Gore, right?

@diverguy3556 Жыл бұрын

@@alcoholicnerd514 You got the joke. Well done.

@Sophisticlesenergy Жыл бұрын

I'm smoking some weed called man bear pig right now, kudos

@meanwhile4308 2 жыл бұрын

Why are all the cool people in Canada?🤔💖

@jisiri 2 жыл бұрын

Except the right wing INFESTATION! GLORY HALLESTUPID!

@rubberboy9381 Жыл бұрын

free healthcare maybe?

@TisEYEthe1 2 жыл бұрын

Question for Pastor John: After studying about all these different myths around the world, why are you a believer and Pastor of any of them? Did you basically just choose a myth to believe in and run with it?

@Zevelyon 2 жыл бұрын

He doesn’t believe. He considers himself Christian culturally but is secular in his beliefs.

@asabovesobelow5683 Жыл бұрын

Dude I would so love to come to one of these. Is weed legal there? Asking for a friend...lol 😂 🤣🤣

@scienceexplains302 26 күн бұрын

*No Ark in KY* They didn’t build an ark; they built a modern building with an Ark façade on 3 sides.

@Stadtpark90 2 жыл бұрын

35:45 “wristwatch” on both wrists - lol

@diverguy3556 Жыл бұрын

The guy's a king! Of course he's got two watches!

@rikihanawhiu7637 2 жыл бұрын

And Gilgamesh threw the last Pink Panther from his vessel cause it wasted his time.

@iamscoutstfu 2 жыл бұрын

"This too was the work of Gilgamesh, the king who knew the countries of the world. He was wise, he saw mysteries and knew secret things, HE BROUGHT US A TALE OF THE DAYS BEFORE THE FLOOD." Is that the Utnapishtim ark? It doesn't seem to specify. Also, Is it to be inferred that they did not know this story before Gilgamesh brought it back after his journey? If that's the case, how did he find Utnapishtim in the first place?

@ethanstiles948 2 жыл бұрын

Is a story? I think the fact that it’s a human literary construct answers your question.

@ethanstiles948 2 жыл бұрын

Ancient people simply didn’t have the same critical thoughts about the stories they told as we do today. Not to say they didn’t have critical thoughts but they had a completely different frame of reference and background data for their ideas than we have today

@maghalie1612 22 сағат бұрын

Thank you for your lecture, however, it's extremely disturbing watching this young lady getting her coffee and her calls. Good that this was changed in the recent lectures. Good we can now focus only on your interesting topics.

@horseradishpower9947 2 жыл бұрын

Gilgamesh was two thirds god, one third human... Meaning, one parent was a full god, and the other was a demigod. As in half and half. Go the fifty percent from the demigod parent was 33 percent human... 33 is likely what they wanted, in tes of symbolism.

@horseradishpower9947 2 жыл бұрын

@The Muckler No, that would be Yahweh...

@horseradishpower9947 2 жыл бұрын

@The Muckler 66.6 percent... 666. I got what you are saying about Gilgamesh. Fits Yahweh better, though.

@drifty_grifty 2 жыл бұрын

Wish host would remember his photos sources/label them. Bad practice.

@Exodus26.13Pi 2 жыл бұрын

Wait until you discover that Hebrew Cosmology is true.

@watermelonlalala 2 жыл бұрын

LOL

@Giganfan2k1 2 жыл бұрын

Einstein stan?

@NoName-fc3xe 2 жыл бұрын

Still waiting on the firmament lol

@timnray99 2 жыл бұрын

you will also find the story of a king from the area of Gilgamesh who was found floating in a reed basket....but what i recently said at a bible story where a dissenting voice laid the ground work to deny the value of the Genesis story because of Cain and Abel....what matters is not that Cain and Abel ever existed....what matters is the lesson to be learned, I am my Brothers keeper....it is the message, not the messenger....what the Old Testament teaches me....the lesson to be learned....laws that are based upon the Creator not the King...you will not find that in Egyptians, Hittites, Assyrians.....all men are created equal comes from that whether king or slave before the law they are equal....we actually have a document from that period where a slave is taking the master to court from that period....it is the message not the messenger....Aesop's Fables are similar, a message....

@jisiri 2 жыл бұрын

What CREATOR? GLORY HALLESTUPID!

@TorianTammas 4 ай бұрын

The lesson learned is to take Romulus and Remus the older version.

@VSP4591 Жыл бұрын

Bedouins are living in N Africa not in Summer!!

@TheMacrobianSomali 2 жыл бұрын

What is real? What is mythology? Fukk I don't know man Puff puff give maaaaaan! *Inhales deeply

@Exodus26.13Pi 2 жыл бұрын

My brother and I saw a grey thing float in front of us. Near this place my brother said a 7ft tall thing looked down on him in his tent. He thought it was a homeless man or a demon. They locked eyes for less than a few seconds.

@The_Rude_French_Canadian 2 жыл бұрын

@@Exodus26.13Pi that was some good weed 😂

@jisiri 2 жыл бұрын

Pure Tao as written, not interpreted! GLORY HALLESTUPID!

@jisiri 2 жыл бұрын

@@Exodus26.13Pi it was a HOMELESS DEMONSTRATION! He can't get in Mar Lago! GLORY HALLESTUPID!

@jtzoltan 2 жыл бұрын

@@jisiri what is glory hallestupid and why do you write it to end every comment?