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ECM Classika PID: Initial Setup and First Use

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Whole Latte Love

Whole Latte Love

Күн бұрын

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@rsilver12
@rsilver12 2 жыл бұрын
The couple videos on the ECM Classika are super helpful, thank you so much for posting these.
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! And, thanks a whole latte for taking a moment to leave your comment.
@Roddy1965
@Roddy1965 Жыл бұрын
I have a small kitchen, and my machine has a shelf above it, not super low, but not super high. So many machines I'd love to have are top-access for water. I have an Ascaso Uno PID, and the water reservoir is side load. It just slides out a few inches and you pour in your water. It is SO easy, and it doesn't mean you have to unload or worry about the cups stored on the top of the machine. This is a great design feature of the Ascaso that I'd like to see other manufacturers adopt.
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage Жыл бұрын
Hi F, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Quick Mill Pipa has side load water. Could also go to a plumbed machine for constant water supply - never having to fill a reservoir can be a life changing experience!
@mikelangford7630
@mikelangford7630 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much, I just got my machine and your video really helped to understand some of the finer points about the it. Cheers
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome. Enjoy the new machine!
@NativeNewYorker66
@NativeNewYorker66 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the review especially the BWT water filtration part! It was very helpful!
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@jye4181
@jye4181 Ай бұрын
I can’t get machine to turn on… is there something wrong with how I have installed my water tank
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage Ай бұрын
Hi j, There is a float in the water tank. If installed improperly or not operating correctly the machine will not operate as it does not sense water in the tank. But, the machine should still turn on. Here's a video showing how the water level float/sensor operates. It's on a different ECM machine but operates essentially the same on yours: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nZl5e9ZyxN-Vnmw.htmlsi=M6ViqErP89u38B_w&t=101
@jye4181
@jye4181 Ай бұрын
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you I figured that out but now I am struggling with my coffee grinder 😭…
@hybridsoul2
@hybridsoul2 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. My ECM didn’t prompt me to fill when I powered it on for the first time. The temp started to heat up without any water in the boiler. When I realized that was happening I quickly turned on the group head so the water would flow through.
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын
Hey CC, You are welcome and thank you for the comment!
@res.22
@res.22 2 жыл бұрын
The same with my machine. No "fill" mode when I first turned it on. I wonder if it it was used before even though I bought it as new.
@hybridsoul2
@hybridsoul2 2 жыл бұрын
@@res.22 I contacted Clive (who I purchased it from) and they said they test the machines prior to shipping. Which would also explain the condensation in the bottom of the box…
@res.22
@res.22 2 жыл бұрын
@@hybridsoul2 I see, thanks for the reply! I've already contacted ECM directly. I'll let you know what they said.
@hybridsoul2
@hybridsoul2 2 жыл бұрын
@@res.22 please do! Thanks! 😊
@threedollarbridge
@threedollarbridge 2 жыл бұрын
I'm using the espresso water recipe that Mark described in a different KZfaq video with my ECM Classika. Do I need to use the BWT or similar products? Do I need to descale using Durgol? I can't find anything in the manual to suggest that I shoul descale. I can't find in the manual to advise against descaling. Appreciate some help, and, if this video is about the ECM Classika, maybe not suggesting a product like Durgol if it is not recommended by ECM.?
@mikeobrien1118
@mikeobrien1118 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the video! Is there a machine you might suggest that does not take 20-30 minutes to heat up but can still provide PID/flow control? As a current Bambino owner it seems a bit silly that a machine takes that long to get to brewing temp for $1300-$1400 more. I know this is not unique to the ECM here but just curious if there are higher quality machines without this issue?
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage Жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, PID + flow control = E61 group head. Those are ~7lbs/3.5kg of solid metal heated by convective thermosiphon flow from the boiler. No way around the time it takes for the group to fully heat. What you can do is use a Wifi appliance grade outlet timer to have the machine turn on/off on your schedule. If you can do without the flow control the Bezzera BZ13 has PID and heats in about 8 minutes as its group head has an internal heating element to help things along and keep temps stable. The BZ13 uses a heat exchange boiler so you can brew and steam simultaneously: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-bz13-pm
@mikeobrien1118
@mikeobrien1118 Жыл бұрын
@@Wholelattelovepage beautiful. Thank you guys!
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage Жыл бұрын
@@mikeobrien1118 NP!
@eeeerrr1475
@eeeerrr1475 9 ай бұрын
Hello I purchased the pressure Guage in the front and I can't get it to stay straight any tips for getting the fave straight?
@yuribotnaru3359
@yuribotnaru3359 Жыл бұрын
I'm in doubt between this one and Bezzera bz10, can someone please help me with the choice? I do drink cappuccino in the morning for information.
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage Жыл бұрын
Hi Yuri, Unless you're doing specialty grade straight espresso on a regular basis the BZ10 is likely a better option as it has an easier workflow to a cappuccino. The BZ10 uses a heat exchange boiler so you can brew and froth simultaneously. The Classika has a single boiler so you cannot brew and steam at the same time. There will be a wait for the machine to heat up to frothing temperature after making the espresso. Then, when done frothing there's the added step of cooling down and refilling the boiler. Beyond that, the BZ10 will be ready to use sooner as its group head heats up faster than the E61 group of the Classika. If you don't mind the extra heat up time and additional workflow steps know the ECM Classika has the capability to make a slightly better espresso due to it's precise PID temperature control. And, it can be equipped with flow control which opens up more possibilites for crafting espresso flavor. Of course there's a price difference between the 2 machines so maybe you're willing to compromise on workflow to save some $$. Hope that helps!
@yuribotnaru3359
@yuribotnaru3359 Жыл бұрын
@@Wholelattelovepage Many thanks for your quick response , I read that there aren't any bottomless portfilters made for Bezzera so there is no way to get one.
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage Жыл бұрын
@@yuribotnaru3359 Hi, NP on the quick response. We have a selection of bottomless portafilters available for Bezzera machines. The BZ10 has the BZ group so be sure and pick one from this link labeled for that: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/portafilters-and-filter-baskets?_=pf&pf_v_brand=Bezzera
@catherineshort4476
@catherineshort4476 2 жыл бұрын
please can yo tell me how to use the pump switch and how ti refill the boiler after each coffee thank you
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын
Hi cs, Thanks for the question. You do not have to refill the boiler after making an espresso. You do need to refill/cool down the boiler after steaming. To do that, Open the steam valve and turn on the pump switch until you get a solid stream of water out of the steam wand.
@MrHamburgerler
@MrHamburgerler 2 жыл бұрын
Do the railings on the cup tray come off?
@claptoned0
@claptoned0 Жыл бұрын
Hi ! No pre-infusion with this model ?
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage Жыл бұрын
Hi c! The ECM Classika PID is currently available with a free flow control upgrade for pre-infusion any way you like it! www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-classika-pid-espresso-machine-with-flow-control If not familiar with flow control, check out 2 simple but powerful flow profiles in this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l5OBdLKgnbzLZXU.html
@wirinharwirjawan6422
@wirinharwirjawan6422 2 жыл бұрын
wondering why the pressure gauge keep on climbing to 8 bar and even you are not brewing any espresso, (ex: at 19:53, really wonder why)
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын
Hi WW, Thanks for the question. Pressure is measured near the machine's pump. There's a one way valve after the point of pressure measurement so when the E61 lever is down after an extraction pressure is retained in the system. If one were to lift the E61 lever partially without activating the pump the pressure on the gauge would fall to zero.
@wirinharwirjawan6422
@wirinharwirjawan6422 2 жыл бұрын
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for info and appreciate it
@carlcruz2803
@carlcruz2803 2 жыл бұрын
Do you need to activate the pump as soon as you turn on the machine every time?
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын
Hi CC, No you do not - only on initial startup. Although if the machine has been unused for an extended period I would run the pump on startup to get some fresh water in the boiler but it's not required.
@carlcruz2803
@carlcruz2803 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the quick reply. You guys are champions!
@david029014
@david029014 2 жыл бұрын
What filter do you recommend for the bezera bz07
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын
Hi d, Thanks for the question. For a BZ07 I'd go with in-reservoir pad filter from BWT: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestsave-s-anti-scale-filter Or for higher volume use the BWT Penguin Pitcher: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-penguin-2-7-l-water-pitcher The pad filter requires ~12 hours of time to do its thing in the reservoir so if you fill a reservoir multiple times a day it will not keep up with demand. Marc
@lakertime
@lakertime 2 жыл бұрын
The PID on this classika looks different than mine in color. Mine is black and this looks silver to go along with the machine. The menus seem the same otherwise, is the only difference in the PID the style there?
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Shaun, yes, the silver PID display is on the newer version of the Classika. The newest one are also shipping with an angled portafilter and metal tamper, rather than the straight PF and plastic tamper from before. I'm not aware of any other changes. AJ
@daisywuwoo1
@daisywuwoo1 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, if I do 2 lattes a day with milk steam, will this single boiler machine super painful compare to HX machine like quick mill rubino or VBM domobar juior which is few hundred bucks more?
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын
Hi oe, Thanks for the question. It's just waiting for machine to reach steaming temp. Then cooling down the boiler after steaming. Painful depends on if you are in a hurry or not.
@TheBenjfels
@TheBenjfels 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, what size BWT bestcup do you recommend for the ECM classika? Does it all come in one kit? Thanks.
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын
It's an all in one kit if needed: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestcup-m-package
@user-zu9uh9xc1i
@user-zu9uh9xc1i 2 жыл бұрын
What is the life span of the PID
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын
Hi P, I do not have a lifespan rating for the PID. Aside from the temperature probe in the boiler it's a solid state device so should last a very long time.
@vmhntrd
@vmhntrd 2 жыл бұрын
Can I use both the Bestsave and Bestcup in my Classika at the same time?
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын
Hey R, you could but not needed. Would make it difficult to know when to change them.
@btpuppy2
@btpuppy2 7 ай бұрын
All that and you didn’t brew any espresso??
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage 7 ай бұрын
hi bt, here's the video showing espresso brewing on the Classika and more: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pZigfrt0ktHVdYU.html
@razvanyke
@razvanyke 2 жыл бұрын
I clicked to see details about the ECM Classika and for 6 Minutes I learn about BWT filter .. :( I like the channel so I watched further but if I was new, was a pass for me.
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын
Hi RA, You might prefer this video on the Classika: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mLB2dZWYkqfHd4U.html In the setup video you watched we do spend some time on water quality as it's important - using hard water in espresso machines is the most common cause of problems.
@ChristophBruchsal
@ChristophBruchsal 2 жыл бұрын
You are referring to the lights in this machine as LEDs. They are not!. These are AC current (110/230V) lamps
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Chris, Thanks for the correction!
@livealoha50f
@livealoha50f 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos but this one could do without the water treatment informtial...
@Wholelattelovepage
@Wholelattelovepage 2 жыл бұрын
Hi 5O, Thanks for the comment. I hear you. Some customers seem to appreciate being advised of good water treatment options to prevent scale and protect their machines.
@cd1168
@cd1168 5 ай бұрын
Just go over machine.
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