ECOLINE vs. DR. PH. MARTIN's HYDRUS LIQUID WATERCOLOURS- comparison & review- Which is BEST? (2018)

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Which is the BEST LIQUID WATERCOLOUR?
ECOLINE (dye based ink) vs. Dr. Ph. MARTIN's HYDRUS liquid FINE ART watercolour?
I do the research so you don't have to!
Hi Folks! In today's video, I am comparing Royal Talen's ECOLINE and Dr.Ph Martin's HYDRUS- LIQUID watercolours. I go through everything from the packaging, cost, pros and cons as well as their various properties. I hope you find this a thorough review and comparison which might go towards helping you to decide WHICH liquid watercolour will suit you BEST!
Any comments or QUESTIONS?- Just drop them in the box below and I will be sure to get back to you!
Materials used
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🎨Royal Talens ECOLINE liquid watercolour inks 10 set of mixing watercolours (30ml bottles)
🎨Dr. Ph. Martin's Hydrus liquid watercolours 30ml /1OZ (various-viridian green; ultramarine; Hansa yellow medium; turquoise blue; carbon black; carmine; indian red; raw umber; vermilion hue; chrome yellow; quinacridone magenta; sepia; red oxide; titanium white)
🎨Daler rowney round paintbrush size 6
🎨Dip pen/ calligraphy pen
🎨Arteza cold pressed watercolour paper
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@johnkillmaster5411 5 жыл бұрын

My first experience with Dr. Martins radiant W C was 1952 and That painting is as bright as ever and has been in the light off and on... So I think most watercolors and Gouache may fade somewhat if hung in bright light, we humans fade too after a lifetime in the light...

@sandrawhitman3389 5 жыл бұрын

john killmaster . Me gustaría saber si cuadros pintados con Dr. M, mantienen el mismo color con los años

@elizabethannwarner1513 4 жыл бұрын

I didn't get mine until 1973 and I still have them. My paintings are as vibrant as when painted and even though some of the bottles are dry I still keep them.

@kamalitarajagopalan2671 3 жыл бұрын

@@elizabethannwarner1513 you could possibly reconstitute the dry bottles by adding distilled water to them (and then stirring).

@julianachandler2975 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the information on the lightfast quality.

@SN-sz7kw Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Just a note - the ecoline inks are designed to refill the ecoline pens - which is great as you can customize/mix your own shades. 😊

@basmatalaat 6 жыл бұрын

Ecoline has also a 490ml and 990 ml bottle

@Kyomiibrown 5 жыл бұрын

Just be aware the hydrus don’t rewet well if they have been out for a while. Some of the pigments become “flakey” for want of a better word, so it is best to just put a drop or two out of the colour you need. They rewet perfectly fine while painting and maybe for a few days after but after a week or so, they become more difficult.

@SarahNewburyArt 5 жыл бұрын

Kyomii yes- good point! I have also noticed that some colours re wet better than others so it's definitely a good idea to just put a small amount out at a time.

@TrueLoveX1027 3 жыл бұрын

I am curious if adding Winsor & Newton Iridescent Medium to the Hydrus watercolours, especially the deeper colours like Ultramarine, Phthalo Green or Alizarin Crimsom would give you iridescent non-pastel colours, which for the most part are the only iridescents that are available on the market as of now. Thanks for a great comparison tutorial! As I sell my art, the fact that the Ecoline liquid watercolours are not lightfast immediately took those out of the running, but I greatly appreciate the time you put into a very thorough comparison and review of their qualities!

@MichalHlivka 6 жыл бұрын

thank you so much, an amazing review!

@EmsArtStudio 6 жыл бұрын

Very informative video! Look forward to seeing you use the paints in future videos

@SarahNewburyArt 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Em! 😊🎨

@crystallp6274 6 жыл бұрын

Oh my gosh! Thank you so much for the comparison! I was speechless when you mentioned my name. 😂👍🏾

@SarahNewburyArt 6 жыл бұрын

You are very welcome! It was a lot of fun! 😀😊🎨

@cardstockcollector 5 жыл бұрын

Great comparison, thanks for info. Love the comparison chart.

@SarahNewburyArt 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 😍

@izzy8949 Жыл бұрын

Your video is SO RELAXING! Thank you so much for taking such time with your demos and explanations. Refreshing for a video to be so in depth and to the point, but not rushed. So thank you. I honestly thought the Dr P h Martens pigment would be nicer, but I actually prefer the ecoline brand. Best wishes and thank again 😊xx

@cathyintally 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this review. I am trying to decide on a liquid watercolor and you have helped in that decision.

@SarahNewburyArt 2 жыл бұрын

You are so welcome!

@woodywood1951 3 жыл бұрын

here in the USA ( as of Jan 2021) ecoline are as expensive as DR Ph Martin... I tried both and my personal opinion is ecoline feels more ink than real watercolor

@brucemckenziefraser139 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video 👍 I'm retiring after 30 years as a Registered Nurse at the end of this month. Part of my retirement presents from my colleagues will be some Ecoline brush pens. I'm sooo looking forward to using them! Over my lifetime I've only ever drawn with graphite pencils and, more latterly, coloured pencils. But, I tried out the Ecoline brush pens in my local art supplies shop, Lateral Art in Morpeth, Northumberland, and was instantly hooked!

@SarahNewburyArt 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Bruce! well after 30 years working as a nurse, you deserve a bit of rest and relaxation! I hope you enjoy your Ecoline pens! 😊

@stevekobb3850 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent review! Many thanks for posting.

@SarahNewburyArt 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Steve, I'm so glad you liked it! Have a great weekend 😊

@azalea1404 6 жыл бұрын

Excellent comparison and review. Just what I was looking for. I think you were very fair and unbiased towards both brands.

@SarahNewburyArt 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Anna! 😊

@gennydavidsonsmith85 Жыл бұрын

Excellent review. Thank you.

@jengoodwyn2715 4 жыл бұрын

Just as good a review the second time. 😊

@SarahNewburyArt 4 жыл бұрын

Yay, thank you! 😊

@davidmolloy126 3 жыл бұрын

Hiya Sarah, Thanks very much for another great video. You make some of the best art material reviews on KZfaq. From a new subscriber in Lancashire. X

@SarahNewburyArt 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much David and welcome! 😊

@izzy8949 Жыл бұрын

Im from Lancs too 👋 😊

@AquaLady153 5 жыл бұрын

Such a relaxing educational video

@SarahNewburyArt 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! So glad you enjoyed it 😊

@lifeismusicparnadonkers 3 жыл бұрын

Cool review. I think i go whit ecoline. I wanna use it for my manga drawings. Thank you so mutch for this review

@SarahNewburyArt 3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome 😊

@momentarilylapse 6 ай бұрын

This is an amazing and informative review, thank you! Is the pipette opening the same size in both? I like drawing lines directly with the Ecoline pipette as you can get quite a nice range of thin to thick lines.

@julianachandler2975 2 жыл бұрын

Great review

@ajlomas7185 3 жыл бұрын

Hi there, I have to say the more I watch videos of The Ecoline inks, the more I'm tempted to buy them. I love working in inks, but I much prefer bottled inks as apposed to brush pens, but that's only because it's what I'm used to. About 2 years ago, I bought the Dr Ph Martins Hydras 15ml bottles, but I was really disappointed, despite shaking the bottles before use, after a while the colours just seem to deteriorate into a flaky powder is the only way I can describe it. So against my better judgement I ordered the Dr Ph Martins Bombay Inks, and to my surprise and despair these let me down as well!! The inks turned into a thick paste and I had to take the pipette out as they were clogged up with a thick inky goo and I had to stir the ink using a cocktail stick. These inks were a considered purchase as they weren't cheap, so I wasn't a very happy chappy. I'm hoping I'll fare better with these, they seem to be of a different consistency. What I think I'll do is order 2 bottles just to see how they keep over time, and if they remain the same then I shall buy the entire set...SO FINGERS CROSSED.....Maybe 3rd time lucky!!!

@SarahNewburyArt 3 жыл бұрын

Hi! It's a real shame as none of these supplies are cheap- I think the consistency depends a lot on the different pigments with the Hydrus as some of the colours are better than others. Still not ideal though. I haven't had any consistency issues with the Ecoline as they are dye based- so maybe it's worth giving a few of those a go. I have also been wanting to try the Dr Ph Martins radiance line too but they are also very expensive so I'm going to wait and see if they go on offer! 😊

@ajlomas7185 3 жыл бұрын

@@SarahNewburyArt Hi there, thankyou for your reply. Yes I agree, some of the Dr Ph Bombay Inks are fine, but others haven't fared so well, with the amount of money I spent, I could have wept. I did buy one ecoline bottle just to see how it was, and I was really pleased. The ink was very vibrant and left standing, the consistency is just as runny as it was the day I received it, no need to shake the bottle. So YES I will be buying the sets as well as loose stock, to have as many colours as I need, although looking at the colour chart I don't need to buy every single one, but I will buy the majority of them. I'm not sure if this makes any difference but I do own some of the brilliant sennelier acrylic inks, which I have had for at least 2 years, and not one of them has ever given me any problems, they flow just as freely now as the day I got them. I only mention this as about a week ago I discovered that there is a line of acrylic inks that Dr Ph Martins have, spectralite I believe they are called. Maybe it's something they add in the acrylic solution that stops them from going sticky and muddy. But then I had to tell myself NO...this is getting insane, at this rate I'd have become an expert on every single make of ink there is on the market and become bankrupt in the process!!

@midollafun Жыл бұрын

So do you think the ecoline will be good for comic making. Like can you layer with these inks

@marielouiseweeksb33attitud33 2 жыл бұрын

Very helpful, thank you

@ChickenxBoneless 4 жыл бұрын

I got the dr. ph martin's at a steal, I can't wait to experiment with these.

@SarahNewburyArt 4 жыл бұрын

Hi! I love taking advantage of special offers and bought my Dr. Ph Martins when they were reduced too! Hope you enjoy them 😊

@wandrews4123 6 жыл бұрын

Great review on both liquid watercolors!! - one question is that if you mix both, will this mixture be affected by its lightfastness level? By the way, I appreciate you including closed captions for us deaf, hard of hearing, hearing loss and veterans, too! Thanks very much.

@SarahNewburyArt 6 жыл бұрын

Hi! Thank you for such a lovely comment! In answer to your question re lightfastness, I imagine that if you mix one lightfast watercolour with one non lightfast one, the overall lightfasness would be adversely affected but I'm not completely sure- It's a bit tricky to predict and lightfast levels may also vary depending on the colours used and the concentrations of each used as well. Sorry I can't be more specific! 😊🎨

@farben_ 5 жыл бұрын

The pigments that are lightfast will not lose saturation while the ones that aren't will. Talens dyes aren't that bad when it comes to lightfastness.

@kristinakowalski6573 5 жыл бұрын

Wonderful comparison

@SarahNewburyArt 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 😊

@Trish_Carmichael 4 жыл бұрын

My first -and only- set of Dr Martins (the small plastic ones) was a bummer. Many of them had some sort of slime inside and had to toss 3 bottles right away. one year later, same happened to other 4 bottles. I have an ecolien bottle that is 10 years old, no joke, it still works!

@SarahNewburyArt 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Patricia! I had a similar issues with some of my Dr Ph Martins inks. I think its because they are pigment based and the pigment has a tendancy to separate out -compared to the Ecoline inks which are dye based and more stable. 😊

@angiep5216 5 жыл бұрын

I would like to have both. Although, I would not like to accumulate bottles.

@labulleencouleurdecelinece1676 2 жыл бұрын

Merci pour le vidéo c'est très bien expliqué sans que ça ne sois trop long

@SarahNewburyArt 2 жыл бұрын

vous êtes les bienvenus! 😊

@nivi3839 5 жыл бұрын

Hi can u put a video on using the colour wheel

@phyllissanfiorenzful 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent video.

@SarahNewburyArt 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

@finessence808 4 жыл бұрын

Great comparison btw Dr Ph Martin's going to start selling big sizes soon 2,4,8,16oz.

@SarahNewburyArt 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Good to know about the bigger sizes too. Take care 😊

@chillbuddy4178 4 жыл бұрын

You are so kind to answer questions from viewers and so I have one: could the echo line be used for Comic book-style coloring? Specifically, if you have a drawing done in black India ink - some of your black ink is solid lines for outlines of objects, some of it is solid black to indicate shadows , and some of it is feathering to give different degrees of shad ing effects - could you then do this: make a copy of your ink drawing (so you don't ruin the original) on some kind of paper, and then drop in with these colors but hopefully the colors would only color the white spaces and leave all the blacks showing - the solid blacks and the feathered blacks? Thanks so much for being helpful to artists- as I'm sure you know the only way to find out about any of this stuff is to buy it and some of us aren't in a position to buy a lot of things that aren't going to work for what we need! Thanks again and take care ❤️

@SarahNewburyArt 4 жыл бұрын

Hi there! I am so sorry it has taken me so long to reply to your question! I think the Ecoline would be very good for comic book style colouring as they are dye based and transparent- more like ink than watercolour. More opaque pigment based watercolours could cover over and dull some of the black ink outlines. I hope this helps and sorry again for the delay in replying! Take care 😊

@chillbuddy4178 3 жыл бұрын

OK thanks! At least I have an idea of what to try 😍

@midollafun Жыл бұрын

Have you bought them thinking about buying these but trying to choose between these and dr. Ph. Martin radiant

@markusjay1491 2 жыл бұрын

I used Luma watercolor doesn’t look like they are available anymore. I still have a few and are still Very useable. They are 40 years old

@mandyflockton 2 жыл бұрын

The dr martins radiant are dye based so that’s the one you should have compared

@jadedesenhos4030 4 жыл бұрын

In my opinion, Ph Martin's is better, but Ecoline is more cheap and accessible. Great video! Greetings from Brazil 🇧🇷

@SarahNewburyArt 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Take care 😊

@shaimaasamir7074 6 жыл бұрын

Hi! thank you so much, this video is very helpful. I have a question, I have seen bottles of ecoline made in Japan, have you seen them? I wish to know which one is better

@SarahNewburyArt 6 жыл бұрын

Hi there Shaimaa! Thank you for you lovely comment! I can't be sure about Ecoline watercolours from Japan as I haven't seen them and wouldn't know if there were authentic or not so can't really give you an answer, sorry! I mostly buy my supplies from Amazon as there is nowhere near me that sells a huge variety of different art products. I'd be interested to know if you do get an answer on that though! 😊😍

@jenwilly7260 4 ай бұрын

Are the Ecoline ones pigment based or dye based?

@myrthe3601 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this wonderful review! For me the only disadvantage of Ecoline seems to be that they are not lightfast. Do you have any ideas how I can still prevent my Ecoline work from fading over time? I was thinking about some kind of spray, but most of them are very expensive. Do you have any experience with this? Or any other tips? Thank you a lot!

@SarahNewburyArt 3 жыл бұрын

You are so welcome! I think, as you say, there are UV sprays out there that will protect you're artwork from fading over time but sadly I don't have any personal experience with them and I've heard some of them can change the colours of your painting. I always recommend that you hang any paintings out of direct sunlight, even if they are created with lightfast art supplies but if you wanted to guarantee the longevity of your original piece, you could always frame a print of it instead? Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. 😊

@myrthe3601 3 жыл бұрын

@@SarahNewburyArt Thanks you so much for your answer! I think I'm going to test some cheap uv sprays, to see what they do excactly! And always save some photo's to print if nescessary!

@midollafun Жыл бұрын

Can you layer with these inks

@pbasswil 5 жыл бұрын

Really, these are two different animals. The Hydrus are actual watercolours - maybe not quite DSmith/Wins&Newt./Sennelier quality; but they are indisputably watercolours. The Ecos are inks, formulated to mimic watercolour. But without pigments, you can't expect them to behave - or endure on a page - the way real watercolours will. I'm not saying you can't have a lot of fun with them. But be aware of their intrinsic nature, and then you can choose according to your needs.

@SarahNewburyArt 5 жыл бұрын

Hi! Thank you! I've learned a lot since making that video and realise now they are very different-as you explained -but I am still very grateful for you taking the time to leave a comment. The Ecoline inks are fun but do have their limitations -as I've found out! 😊

@pbasswil 5 жыл бұрын

I've never tried the Ecolines, but am glad to be reminded by your vid that they exist! Keep on keepin' on...

@johnkillmaster5411 5 жыл бұрын

What about Higgins colored inks? I used them in the 40's and they were great and waterproof.. do you know anything about them?

@SarahNewburyArt 5 жыл бұрын

john killmaster thank you for your comment! I haven’t tried the Higgins inks yet but maybe that’s something to put on my wish list and try later! 😊

@madusonkeeper 4 жыл бұрын

Ph Martin has a thick no bleed white you can get separately. Bought my set at Michael's with half off coupon

@SarahNewburyArt 4 жыл бұрын

Hey! Thank you! I have since bought the Dr Ph martins beed proof white and it's great 😊

@LillyBunnsBoutique 4 жыл бұрын

Would love to see a review comparing to PH martins Radiant line and ecoline. This isnt an apples to apples comparison since one is pigment based vs the other dye based

@SarahNewburyArt 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Celesa! I didn't realise at the time as I made this video ages ago! Now I know more I would love to make a 'like for like' comparison with the radiant line. I'll add it to my list once I am in a position to buy some 😊

@colorcreatively 2 жыл бұрын

Your video was so informative and I noticed how much work you put into it also. I liked the information a great deal.. However, the music was too loud and very distracting. It overshadowed your voice.. I had to use closed captions in order to understand what you were explaining. TIP: with you Editing software you can adjust the volume of the music so it's not so loud and your voice comes across clearer.

@SarahNewburyArt 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the tip- I’ve learned a lot about editing since making this video but I appreciate you taking the time to comment. Have a lovely weekend 😊

@melodiasinger Жыл бұрын

Ecoline en la actualidad tiene acuarela liquida, no sólo tinta de color como la que usa en el vídeo, sino acuarela y en su etiqueta sale watercolors por si acaso, ya que no es muy conocida pero es mejor inclusive que la de Dr. Martín, tiene colores hermosos y mejor fluidez que la otra.

@bigboyanimation3799 3 жыл бұрын

Do you think these are better then watercolor to use in coloring comics?

@SarahNewburyArt 3 жыл бұрын

Hi! I think the Ecoline dry quite evenly and flat compared to watercolour due to them being dye based instead of pigment based . I guess it depends what sort of look you're going for but I think they are quite popular with illustrators for that reason. 😊

@ArtJourneyUK 3 жыл бұрын

Are they both dye ink based? Or are the PH Martin pigment based?

@SarahNewburyArt 3 жыл бұрын

Hi! The Ph Martins are pigment based 😊

@bennyvermeulen7255 3 жыл бұрын

Ecoline (Talens) was used in the 60's untill maybe the 90's by a lot of comic book and cartoon artists in the Netherlands and Belgium to color their work. Also gouache was very in use back then. The comic "Tom Poes" was much colored with ecoline. I think Dick Matena that did Tom Poes or Bommel used it and stil is. So it wasn't ment to keep them for eternity. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aremmM6Up97bj2w.html in the first 30 sec of the clip you see them using it. The old bottles didn't had the pipet back then.

@neilallen529 Жыл бұрын

This is a neat video, but it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. Dr. Ph Martin's Radiant (also dye based) would be better to put up against the Ecoline instead of putting the Hydrus (pigment based) up against them. Unless, of course, the objective is to show the difference between dye-based watercolors and pigment-based ones. I find they're quite different.

@joyfulldj 6 жыл бұрын

Ecoline is NOT a Liquid watercolor. It is a liquid ink where as the ph martin's is an actual liquid watercolor and using the same pigments as watercolor. Ecoline is great to play with but not mutch of a comparison, by all means that is no offence to Talens, they state the same on their website, that it is in fact an INK. If you are aiming for lightfast the Hydrus is a better option. Talens however can be compared to a radiant from ph martin as the radiant from ph martin is also a liquid, but it is diebased. Still not the same as a liquid ink, but comparing wise a bit more fair match ;) don't let that stop you from using ecoline though, the colors are very pretty and awesome stuff for in journaling and card making; i own twelve of them, but just pointingout this, may prevent from disapointment when you do sell your art.

@joyfulldj 6 жыл бұрын

PS: Footnote; as with any liquid ink most are not light fast, though talens did put in a good effort on their website in a pdf printable, however the version I know is in dutch, I do not know if ecoline has a lightfast rating card in english, I apologise for that. Again, the only liquids that I know myself to be lightfast are the winsor and newton watercolor markers and the ph martin Hydrus watercolors. The radiants are not lightfast so be careful in reading the labels there when you buy those. I have both ecoline zig and tombows and neither of the last three are lightfast. I think the whole concept of lightfast is very much over hyped when you are not selling or showing your work.

@SarahNewburyArt 6 жыл бұрын

Hi Thank you for your comment and for sharing so much information! A couple of people have commented similar re the ecoline being dye based inks as opposed to watercolour so this is something that I have learned that I wasn't aware of when first making this video! You're right about the radiant line from Dr. Ph Martin too- they would be more comparable but I don't have any of those yet and wasn't aware of them until after making this video. It's so nice to get information from viewers like yourself, as it can be hard to find on the various websites- especially when they aren't in English! So far as lightfastness goes, I think the Dr Ph Martins Bombay inks are lightfast, like their Hydrus watercolor, but I agree that having the right paper really makes a difference to the quality of your painting, whichever ink or watercolour you decide to use. Thanks again! 😊

@joyfulldj 6 жыл бұрын

You are very welcome, Glad that you didn't take any offence in it, I know I can be very blunt, that is never to hurt anyone, only to prevent disapointment; because a liquid ink in an official watercolor contest for example is usually a nono. Would be a shame when you put so many hours in an art piece,right :) Confusion is easily made, the botles look alike but the price tag is usually a giveaway when a red flag should popup :P I have not seen an archival liquid ink yet, but if anyone should know that one it should be The Frugal Crafter aka lindsay weirich. I always confuse archival ink with being lightfast but I very much doubt that they are the same :)

@Kyomiibrown 5 жыл бұрын

A .Vultink The Bombay inks are a liquid ink and are lightfast. I identify with blunt, I’m straight to the point also and sometimes my bluntness is misinterpreted.

@Kyomiibrown 5 жыл бұрын

The Art Hive Excellent response, new sub.

@woodywood1951 Жыл бұрын

ecoline is more ink than watercolor... Dye vs pigment... difficult to really compare them...

@SarahNewburyArt 6 жыл бұрын

Hi everyone! Has anyone tried either of these liquid watercolour paints? Which do you prefer?

@xxnikkixxelysexx 6 жыл бұрын

The Art Hive I have set one of the Hydrus watercolors. They are so very pigmented, that I was afraid to use them for a few months. There's was huge learning curve for me, from using pan and tube watercolors to these.

@SarahNewburyArt 6 жыл бұрын

I know! They can be a bit scary to start with and quite different from watercolors in pans but I would suggest having a play with them to get used to them before committing to using them on a large piece you have lovingly prepared. This is what I did anyway and I feel more confident using them now! 😊🎨

@betsyzelinger 5 жыл бұрын

I highly prefer the Dr. P. H. Martin's, but that's just me. 🐸