EEVblog comments;) Fluke Rant - are Fluke Meters Over Priced?
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Күн бұрынIn this video 'EEVblog comments;) Fluke Rant - are they Over Priced?', the EEVblog commented on the video and left some great talking points on why they might be worth the higher price. I leave my commentary on each talking point and I'd love to hear what the viewers think. Are Fluke multimeters overpriced, or are they appropriately priced given the great points that the EEVblog left? #areflukemetersoverpriced, #flukerant, kissanalogrant
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@EEVblog 2 жыл бұрын
I think my comment with my video link got nuked. So will repost. That comment of mine actually prompted me to do a video on it I just released, so thanks for the inspiration! The video has been remarkably popular (100k views), I didn't think there would be so much interest in this.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback! I think it was so great that we posted videos on your comment of my rant video on the same day! I have to thank you for your thoughtful comment, and I think others love to hear the thoughts that might be considerations. I’m honored to have you comment on my channel - I started my channel because of your example. I hope your video blows up as one of your biggest;) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l99pqqmCpr2VaY0.html
@fauckcryptic9467 2 жыл бұрын
i have an old Kenwood "KPS-10" DC Power supply. I cant seem to find anything about it on the internet. Found a few things about the "KPS-10 A", but not for mine. You know anything about it or can you point me to a site.
@lextr3110 2 жыл бұрын
you should do a joint project, love both your channels!! =)
@__--JY-Moe--__ 2 жыл бұрын
this guy! great teacher!!
@singlehanded12 2 жыл бұрын
1 view or a hundred thousand doesn't make you right, just over opinionated.
@EEVblog 2 жыл бұрын
I think the bottom line answer to the question "Are they overpriced" is no, they aren't. They are priced for their intended market, and that market doesn't include everyone, just like countless other product categories you can name.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave! So the next question! Which EEVblog meter do I buy for myself for Christmas? I think I like the 121GW;)
@questionmark9684 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave and Eddie, I am on both sides of the fence: privately I find the Fluke bot good value, but professionally in aviation we cannot forego the reasons that you pointed out on the EEV video. In fact I was given a beautiful Simpson 260 because it was slightly out of spec, and we used these only for qualitative - not quantitative - measurements, but the calibration sticker is all that matters for aviation and ISO certification... Nonetheless, Eddie's point goes beyond this. For example, Fluke could certainly throw in proper silicone leads instead of those crappy ones. There must be a host of little things that Fluke could do to make customers feel better about their purchases. Cheers Mark
@EEVblog 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog Send me an email with your snail mail adress!
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
OK I sent my contact info - and I hope to the right email (your business email).
@moseswally 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog Maybe Dave can send you one of his meter for a review.
@bobweb1234 Ай бұрын
You have put out some great videos, with Quality information. I have worked in Aerospace, where 4 men do an FMEA (Faliure Mode effects Analysis), for a 5000 component engine control in 2 months and I have used test equipment for production support, and breadboard development. Lab testing was fun. When I retired, I bought a fair ammount of test equipment from ebay, about half of it needs calibration, but most days, close enough is good enough. I have 2 Fluke 8810's which I love the red led displays and the many digits. Unfortunately the 2 Ramp A/d's have developed problems and I never worked with jfets. All discrete components! Scary since DGND = -18V, VDD for the processor, = -13V. Be real careful placing a scope ground, since the op amps are running on +/- 18V. TMI maybe but you know what I mean, I'm sure. John Fluke had custom made jFET's too! You put out a very good video on a couple of scope multimeters too. Scotty Kilmer showed how to check relative engine compression, using a DC current probe and a multimeter scope. You produce well made videos, nice editing. I really can't jump ahead on your videos since it is all content. Your camera person does a good job with the zooming as well. Keep up the good work! BobW, BSEE
@KissAnalog Ай бұрын
Thanks so much Bob! I appreciate you! It is great to hear from another aerospace engineer;) Yes, JFETs are an interesting device. I have planned on doing videos with them. I need to do that;) I like watching Scotty too. I haven't seen that video though - so I will have to go look for it. BTW, I do the zooming most of the time in editing;) I do all my own video production - and it does take a lot of time... Thanks for your feedback!!!
@peterkutas1176 2 жыл бұрын
Had the Fluke 75 for a long time. It was repaired under warranty when I measured the voltages in a defibrillator... I now use my EEVBlog meter, which has been really great.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter for the feedback! What EEVBlog meter do you have?
@globe-trotter4860 2 жыл бұрын
I grew up in love with the sanwa analog multitesters back on the '80, which made me like Electricity, I have traveled through different countries and I have only used fluke, there is no reason to change, it is my option, they are expensive but I know that I will recover my investment, if they are damaged I simply buy another, many customers have already paid for that cost. Eddy thank you very much, your content, your advice is always appreciated.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I appreciate you!
@ats89117 2 жыл бұрын
The limited lifetime warranty reminded me of an old Flip Wilson comedy routine where he buys a glass of lemonade from a stand where it is advertised as "all you can drink for a nickle". But after the first glass, he finds out that one glass is all you can drink for a nickle...
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
LOL - that's perfect!! ;)
@joeboxter3635 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog Limited lifetime warranty means during its lifetime, it's under warranty. But the day it dies (stops working), it's no longer under warranty. Lol.
@patmx5 2 жыл бұрын
What the large print giveth, the small print taketh away.
@jasonriddell 2 жыл бұрын
used to sell vacuums door to door when I was younger and they had an "unlimited" warranty - on the BODY as long as the lid was closed - they would replace the body no matter how it was damaged including dropped out of a plane - no coverage for the insides ONLY the body - as long as the lid was closed
@mehow357 2 жыл бұрын
Lifetime warranty: if your fluke dies - warranty ends 😉 PS. I don't own fluke, but I appreciate EU regulations: every electronic device has to have at least 2y warranty (excl. batteries). It forces manufacturers to design more durable devices.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I did not know that.
@jasonriddell 2 жыл бұрын
Australia consumer laws requires the seller to support an item for a "reasonable life span" so if a fridge stuffs out after 7 years - white goods are EXPECTED to last 10 years then the store HAS to warranty it even if sold with 6 month warranty (-:
@mehow357 2 жыл бұрын
@@jasonriddell what does it mean "to support"? Providing spare parts (paid), or having a paid repair service is a support. Or maybe you mean, the warranty is extended to "reasonable lifespan" regardless of manufacturer warranty? That would be great (from consumer's perspective), but I don't believe anyone would dare to enforce such law 😉 Personally, even though I design small electronics, I would support every law that pushes manufacturers to design more durable items.
@TrevorsBench 2 жыл бұрын
There's a big difference between made in the USA and assembled in the USA
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! It is a distinction that should be made. It should say assembled in USA - not made in the USA if the bulk of the parts are not 'made' in the USA.
@johndododoe1411 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog Biggest question is if the parts are industry standard materials from wherever or prefabricated parts created just to fudge the distinction. I recall driving past a local Ford assembly plant in my country that used US Ford prefab parts but did final assembly locally back when anyone cared. Place closed decades ago when we stopped caring about that.
@jasonriddell 2 жыл бұрын
I have gotten parts in a BOX stating "MADE IN THE USA" to have "made in Spain" stamped on the PART so the BOX made in the USA? OR is it a part supplier change up without updating the box printing??
@dryster123 Жыл бұрын
Discussion point, I think if a Quality control document wants to verify testing apparatus, and calibration, how many of the "other" manufacturers provide calibration documentation? - I worked for McD, Boeing as a structural analyst, but they never specified what calculator to use, although my choice was Hewlett Packard HP48G, but others used Casio, Sharp, whatever. I just think it comes down to instruction, MIL-HNBK or whatever, I suppose those that work on Nuclear or Military stuff, use Fluke test meters and get their meters bought for them.
@KissAnalog Жыл бұрын
Fantastic feedback! Yes you are correct - a specific device should never be called out in a test document. There is no reason and I've written my fair share. There is no reason to call out a Fluke or any other specific brand - and in fact - it should be against all fair trade rules. There are a number of other companies that would like to bid for that work.
@fatguyonagrom9515 2 жыл бұрын
As someone that got Electrocuted (Both Blown Off and Held several times) from Fieldpiece and UEI that failed to read and glitched out I've been using Fluke Exclusively for 20yrs and guess what I'm still alive that's enough reason for myself at least to continue to use Fluke even if you get 1/2 the features for twice the price, they're reliable, and sometimes you just have to ask yourself how much your life is worth. I miss my 16 but now I use 324 and 116 (HVAC Tech)
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this! No question Fluke is safe, but back then was CAT ratings out yet (they came out in the late 90s)? I'd like to hear more about how the meters failed. Glad you are still safe!
@danf2588 2 жыл бұрын
Also an HVAC Controls tech and have used Fluke for many years. I have other brands for spare/backup meters had to stop using one because it was giving false voltage value. Fortunately My company is mandating all us techs use Fluke in 2022 going forward.
@diy_er4034 2 жыл бұрын
I have a pre-owned 287 with which Fluke service center replaced the whole circuit board for a faulty backup power/capacitor for the date settings. My cost was just the shipping to them. Very satisfied with their warranty. I have other meters also other than Fluke.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. I bought a FLIR on Amazon and it might have been a returned unit (not sure), but it had a problem that made it go thru batteries very fast. It was past Amazon's return period, so FLIR sent me a replacement for free - and told me to do what I wanted with the faulty one. So I have an extra lead set and a meter for parts if needed. That's a heck of a warranty service;) Oh, they paid for all the shipping as well. The one they sent is no battery hog and I'm very happy with it.
@ImnotgoingSideways 2 жыл бұрын
Love seeing that 8024 to your right. I use one of those at work right now and it's always been dead-nuts on. The best part is nobody ever considers 'borrowing' it. It's kind of like driving a stickshift. Nobody is willing to work out a DMM without the big knob.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
LOL Thanks, it is a great meter;)
@glenmartin2437 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your video. My first analog meter was an inexpensive Veritas model V- 678. It still works and is used. When working with scientific or engineering instruments, then I use Fluke! I get no rude comments about using a cheap meter, and so forth. When a 200K USD system is on the fritz, the readings better be correct!
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! I appreciate your feedback!
@keithminchin1817 2 жыл бұрын
My first multimeter was an old analog type I bought from a retailer called Tandy Electronics way back. It wasn’t great but I learnt a lot from it and it really got me interested in electronics. I’ve never had a Fluke, I use a Keysight these days. I’ve seen young guys starting out who think they need a Fluke to be able perform accurate measurements or something. I encourage those guys to do research first. Watch Dave Jone’s tear downs of cheap meters and good quality meters to see the difference and understand what makes a good meter and the potential dangers of some cheap meters. Great discussion and a thumbs you and Dave Jones.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Keith! I remember Tandy;) I might have had the same meter. I really don't think there's any good reason to spend the money on Fluke, there are too many great options. One thing you could advise is to buy one with 3rd party safety certification (UL, ETL, etc.). I appreciate you!
@jasonriddell 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog IMHO part of that PRICE is that everybody KNOWS FLUKE make good and safe meters and DO NOT know about lower priced still GOOD meters there are people that think Keysight= "chinesium" even knowings it used to be HP test equipment and is very top shelf
@oldbutstillcurious3615 2 жыл бұрын
Some folk confuse calibration with absolute accuracy. Even with calibration traceable to national standards (extra expensive) the actual calibration test measurements are often compared with the manufacturer's own published specification for that newly manufactured meter [type]. For Safety assessment evaluation labs need to know how INaccurate their meter readings are (or have become), however 'good' their equipment is.
@inductr 2 жыл бұрын
Eddie I appreciate your efforts and knowledge TONS, and this time around you told us about your worklife - that's so exciting to hear about!! More of that when you feel like it! One word about DMMs , I am fond of the colourful displays, have you seen Chauvin Arnoux CA5293 (might get it for work use) When do we get to see coloured Fluke screens :)
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! That is a crazy cool meter! Don't hold your breath for Fluke to catch up;) Here's a video that I did on my background: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h9WEqaaBsJjYdIU.html
@yug5874 2 жыл бұрын
Yes kind sir. Thirty years ago with the bench Fluke also working in aerospace we did a test with a hobby kit. You are right.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! What kind of test did you do/
@oldbutstillcurious3615 2 жыл бұрын
Kiss Analogue: Good points well made, your enthusiasm and experience shine through, thanks. Seeing is believing - Joe Smith (KZfaq videos) really does show various multimeters being subjected to high voltage pulse testing and also evaluates meter safety protection because when meters are connected directly to mains supplies - those supplies are capable of delivering massive short circuit currents.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I love his videos!
@rádiosantigos1958 2 жыл бұрын
Nice and elegant answers to the commentary on your previous video. Now, I will think twice before spending to much money on a new DMM. Congrats for the gifts from the EEBblog, those beauty Brymen DMMs (it is a pity that his store are not able ship them to a customer in Brazil). Thanks.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! I appreciate you!
@Homer19521 2 жыл бұрын
Metrology not meteorology. Thank you for your service.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
LOL thank you! ;) It’s funny that I know that but still pronounce it wrong😬
@Homer19521 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog I am sure you did. I am the original owner of a Fluke 189 & it is my Fav also. Charles Smith (the master S&M 👹 tester of meters) also thinks highly of the 189. He was not very impressed with the EEVBlog meter. Check out his channel. I find many quality companies will fix or send parts for free even for junk outa warranty. I also find that when companies get bought out by conglomerates, they lose their soul sometimes. BTW I also love my cheapo Kaiweets meter the 118. Did I make any mistakes??
@Homer19521 2 жыл бұрын
@@ss54. Ahh! Thanx for the correction. You are correct. Charles also has a awesome channel.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
@@Homer19521 LOL I think Fluke now focuses on their more expensive equipment and the multimeters are still holding great sales because of who they were. IMHO;)
@mdzacharias 2 жыл бұрын
In the US Fluke does not require a proof of purchase, just say your now defunct employer bought it for you. The 189 input jacks, battery terminals and backup caps are all available as replacement parts. Ebay and other distributors.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mark, but the warranty expires 7 years after last manufactured date.
@newsogn5148 2 жыл бұрын
Would you ever consider doing a power supply design series? Like an ac to dc switch mode power supply?
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I actually have several playlists and I’ll add more very soon. Do you have a specific requests? Here’s a link; kzfaq.info/sun/PLZ0_iMoMBSslyU1zakyTVBKmKnS5ZGD9o
@g0fvt 2 жыл бұрын
Many years ago I had to write PTS (production test specifications) for a number of battery conditioners for use by the military. The specification I wrote cited a specific model of meter. Unfortunately people thought they knew better and substituted a meter they thought was equivalent. What they overlooked was the resistance of the current shunt in the alternative was higher. Since the test rig could source or sink current this caused significant errors. FWIW I do have a number of Flukes and others at home. I used to defend keeping a cheap and nasty meter in the car, the thing was quite accurate enough and safety was probably adequate for my purposes. Unfortunately the thing made it's way into the house, it does have some intermittent behaviour which highlights that it is not to be trusted.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this feedback. It is true that there were some strange cases in the past. Today current monitors (clamp on) or built in self testing would be done. This way the shunt in the meter wouldn’t be part of the test setup. Then temp changes in the amount of current flowing and ambient changes wouldn’t be of concern. Also, as the meters change over the years with Fluke 87 to 87V - there is no way to control if they change the shunt vendor or design. Which I bet the did.
@miroslawkaras7710 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love your comment. You do not need the most expensive equipment to perform the measurer, you need one that fit your application. And it do not need be some particular brad and spend load of money.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! I agree with you:)
@johnwright8814 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I'm the only engineer to buck the trend and use an Agilent multimeter. American corporations play at corporate games rather than concentrating on producing quality products. I hope Keysight is the last of the shenanigans for the Hewlett Packard legacy.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback John! The retired Navy man working in the production test lab next to me at my last defense contractor job loved the Agiliant multimeters;)
@jasonriddell 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog Daiken transport refrigeration calls to use Agilent/Keysight test equipment
@ssalient 2 жыл бұрын
I have got quite a lot of multimeters, including the 87V and 189 and 289, but I literally _always_ use the 189 except sometimes for logging (in that case the 289 is more userfriendly in my opinion, although it devours batteries). I think too the 189 and 187 are still the best handheld Fluke meters out there. I do think the Brymen BM869s is arguably the best (because newer) alternative for the 18x series and even surpasses it in some areas feature-wise.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great feedback! I like my 189 but now my fav is my Hioki DT4282.
@oldbutstillcurious3615 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog Hi, you may be interested in Joe Smith's torture testing of a Hioki multimeter on KZfaq (for comparison with a series of meters by different manufacturers). Sorry I can't remember which model of Hioki at this moment but will try to find the model number tested if you are interested.
@friedmule5403 2 жыл бұрын
What a great video. Very fluent with fine cuts. Your argumentation was very polite and still got their point trough. I would like if you or maybe you both could take up the subject on other types of gear, is there any good reason to pay 2 X on a Tektronix 40 MHz oscilloscope compared to a Siglent 100 MHz, is there a reason for paying 4 X on a 20 MHz frequency generator, compared to a 100 MHZ from a less hyped name?
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! I appreciate you! Those are great ideas - thank you!
@michsmi8297 Жыл бұрын
Talking about MOD testing environments, particularly in the UK, I think it's often the case that some military equipment is used for many years; initially a lot of work and huge amounts of finance goes into test station development where just a few manufacturers are used, typically HP, Fluke, AVO, Kenwood, or tektronix, and most probably, in those days, over a GPIB network, once this equipment is in use it tends to remain that way for the duration of the military equipment its associated with, and during that time the test equipment becomes so old it's no longer manufactured. In this instance it's not easy to replace since it may mean rewriting test software to accomodate new equipment, it would also need verification and recertifying on some level, and so on. In this instance it is difficult to modernise for cheaper more competitive test equipment, unless, as with HP, older standards are still incorporated, and so the old equipment tends to be maintained and repared by companies that do that sort of thing, Or repaired in house. I think that is why GPIB still has a market, as does HTBasic. But in regard to older equipment build quality, speaking from my own experience, tektronix were excellent because they were used all day every day for years! Almost no burn in on the CRT, always passed calibration, and just never seemed to fail, kenwood power supplies too. So long as the environment is controlled. But that's my experience others may differ of course.
@KissAnalog Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great feedback! You make some great points - and the GPIB is really a great indicator. However, I have seen things changing in the last 5 or 10 years. I think it will be soon that we see a change in the 'old' standards. People are retiring (the ones who keep buying the same brands/models), and the new generation didn't grow up with just a few 'good' equipment manufacturers. Also, it used to be that we (in the US) would buy certain brands, but now that the defense contractors don't care where things are made now - things are a changing;)
@nated1971 2 жыл бұрын
For bullet point three: Explosive work in some federal agencies are written to a specific meter, that is regularly calibrated. To change meters takes decades; so the same meter built to the same quality is essential! In the Fluke 8012/AD, which I see on your bench there, has an SE3065 modification done for us by John Fluke....a LONG time ago. It is still the meter of choice for detonator work. Unfortunately, it is no longer produced so we are nursing what's left to keep them going until the PITA process to get a new one is underway
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Great point! I did talk about my Fluke 28 that was certified for working in explosive atmosphere. I gave that away to a viewer;) I'm sure the standard has changes since that meter was build. Yes, these specific cases require safety certs that will be expensive because of the few people who will need them.
@Know-Way Жыл бұрын
Regarding manuals specifying a particular meter... sometimes you just have to improvise. I remember replacing a part in a fuel system and the manual specified checking for continuity with a Wheatstone Bridge Resistance Meter. All we had was a Fluke 87. The manual was a bit outdated.
@KissAnalog Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great feedback! Funny how some older manuals were written around a piece of equipment that a particular person had at hand;)
@whitelined2 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure on the wording for the bullet point regarding professional clients. I'd probably call them expectant clients - though it depends on the company. Say for me, I used to indirectly work with Saudi oil companies, they'd throw a lot of money at the engineering companies I worked for and wouldn't blink an eye at the cost as they'd just expect a lot of people and money put on jobs, but also their internal procedures and requirements would be so far out of date with what every other industry was using. In 2013 I was working with specifications that someone typed, probably on an early IBM, from the early 80s. Yes, it would still work, but there would be a more efficient and cost effective way to do it now.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, great feedback! Perfect opportunity for Fluke;)
@mdzacharias 2 жыл бұрын
The shorter warranty models are the Chinese built ones. Lower priced, although still higher than comparable models.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mark!
@trainliker100 2 жыл бұрын
I have an old Fluke 8060A I probably hadn't used for 25 years. So, I hauled it out of the drawer in the garage (pretty cold in winter, ungodly hot sometimes in summer) and tested it. It was easily within spec on everything. I had been testing some currently sold meters myself claiming "True RMS". For example, this Fluke 8060A read a 10Vpp square wave as 9.998 Vrms. That's pretty darn close. These things have some very clever analog circuitry to "do the math". An inexpensive one I tested that did pretty well and I think is a good value is the OWON B41T+ (compared to their B35T+, it handles much a higher AC frequency for voltage measurement).
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Charles for the great feedback! The 8060A is an awesome meter! I love mine;) And to think how much fewer chips it takes today to do the same...so even much less costly meters can match the amazing 8060A today at so much less, and be just as accurate as years go by as there are integrated circuits doing all the work and will be so stable thru the next decades to come)
@SoddingaboutSi 2 жыл бұрын
I have recently accidently applied 5kv to a fluke 75 while testing an open resistor in a HV multiplier. The resistor was open hence the voltage. That killed the Fluke. But a replacement fusible resistor got it working again. Try that on a Chinese meter. Fluke are expensive for sure but are well protected and made.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great feedback! I've seen plenty of meters (Flukes) killed by HV in a HV labs. There was on Lab that had switched to Radio Shack meters to save money in repairs. Just toss it and pick up another;) Yes they are well protected, but again, I'm not suggesting going from super expensive to the lowest cost Chinese meter. I'm suggesting that there are plenty of other well protected meters that cost half or less than a Fluke;)
@Julius314159 2 жыл бұрын
A little over six weeks ago, like a tired idiot, I hooked an HV probe across the two bushings of a 14,400 V potential transformer, failing to follow directions by grounding the black lead of the HV probe. The other transformers that I was testing that day had one leg grounded, so I lost sight of this "little" detail. It was a tired & thoughtless error, but I floated my meter in a pretty darn stupid way. Anyhow, the meter was an old Fluke 27. I could hear the coronal hiss on the leads, which led me to kill power. To my surprise, I lived & so did the Fluke. They may be overpriced, something I've thought about plenty over the years. I have to agree with you there, Eddie, but I'm grateful to their build quality nonetheless. (To be fair, I repeated the error on purpose with an ASTRO just to see how it would fair, and it lived too. 🤦♂️) In short, I'm not looking to double my money, but if I had to run that little Darwin award experiment again in an uncontrolled setting, I'd have to choose to do it with a Fluke.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
@@Julius314159 The fact the Astro survived with much less protection is amazing. There are many meters built with protection as good or even better than the Fluke at half the price. The Astro is a 10th of the price;) But your life is more fragile than any meter at any price - so be more careful!!! We want you here and we don’t care about the meters! HV is scary stuff! What does that transformer power?
@Julius314159 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog Thanks for the kind words, Eddie. In my fascination with all things electrical, I've collected a few PT's & a distribution transformer over my 20 of playing with Tesla coils & various voltage multipliers. It's only a "toy" for me. Probably because I had put the hobby away for a couple of years, I didn't consider using one of my other PT's as a step down transformer (their intended use😅🤦♂️) to check that my PT under test was outputting properly. Eh. Live (hopefully) & learn, right? Thanks for all of your great reviews, Eddie. I'm envious of your vast background & experience. My graduate degree is in theoretical mathematics, leaving me as only an electronics/HV hobbyist. Boy do I ever wish I had chosen mathematics as a hobby, and electrical engineering as a profession instead. Anyhow, have a happy New Year, and keep up the great work!😊
@Julius314159 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog PS I'm in total agreement with you about other meters offering equal (or better) protection for less money. I suggested Brymen to my brother. My choice of Fluke, admittedly, is likely more of an emotionally based choice formed from ignorance about other companies like Brymen & Metrawatt, from the opinions of others more experienced than myself (EEV blog), from my fathers diehard affinity for them, from the fact that the military chose them (Albeit, not many other options were available when they made their original choice.), from the fact that they've been around for so long, and from superior advertising. 🙂 😄
@eboy536 2 жыл бұрын
I'm really impressed with your every videos Congratulations & welcome 🙏
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@armandine2 2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to your review of the EEVBlog 121GW. Re the Fluke price point - the high-end Keysight stuff is similarly priced, as is the Gossen, perhaps Hioki is better value (not sure)? Longevity of production - made me think of how long it takes to iron out some of those well known design problems, LOL.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback! Yes, those are spendy meters too, but have been updated to add new features;) Amprobe AM570 is a great meter safety certified and owned by the same company that owns Fluke - but less than half the price - and comes with nice test leads;)
@lydo379 2 жыл бұрын
I work as an industrial electrician and the Fluke 87V and Fluke 376 FC are by far my two favorite meters I've ever used. I understand what you are saying, and largely agree that for 99% of people buying a high-end Fluke meter is a complete waste of money. However, some things you are saying rub me the wrong way. Firstly the Fluke 87V is very clearly marketed as an industrial electrician's meter and it's perfect for that, so complaining that it isn't the best meter for other applications isn't fair. They aren't $500 they are only $350, which for a tool you use every day and trust your life to isn't that bad. They do everything you need for a general-purpose industrial meter and nothing you don't ( no useless clutter). The long track record ABSOLUTELY counts when you work with Cat IV 480 and 600 volt circuits every day. (no one wants a case of Freddie Cruger face) They are proven to last and handle mistakes. The battery lasts forever. The readings are fast and accurate, and it's generally a pleasure to use. Its only real negatives are that it's big and doesn't like to get wet. The second is that fluke doesn't still innovate. Fluke Connect and I-flex are the two greatest things to come out for industrial electricians since sliced bread. Fluke connect turns any meter into a logging meter with graphs, you can check live circuits a safe distance away or with the panel door closed (which is 1000x better than the old removable screen meters that always had dead batteries) and you can just send readings through email from your phone for reports. I-Flex made taking current readings on large or hard to get to wires WAY safer and easier than the old days of prying on wires to try and get the stupid clamp on. I just saw in their catalog yesterday that they have a new small meter that is an IR imager, a small multimeter, and takes I-flex, sounds pretty innovative to me. I guess in short, my main complaint is that your trying to say something that is meant for purpose X isn't good for purpose Y so it's overpriced. When for purpose X it's fairly priced, does exactly what it needs to, has come out with innovations that make your job way easier and safer, and has an amazing track record.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your feedback - and I appreciate you! It is great to hear from a working professional. First I'd like to explain that I'm talking about their prices on every product, not just the 87. But let me address your first point. The price at Fluke is $455.99 and often yoiu can get a 10% discount. On Amazon today it is priced on sale for $420.29 (I don't know where you can get it for $350, as I just bought a used one for $300 (for this channel)). That is a lot of money when on a bench a guy might have 3 to 6 meters at any one time. They are listed as an 'Industrial Multimeter', but our electronics lab is full of them. Every large company that I have worked for has had them in the lab. When they came out they were the TRMS meter and the 70 series was averaging, so they were found in electronic labs. It is a large meter! And it doesn't like moisture - even high humidity - the display has been an issue. As an Industrial meter they should have a much better IP rating (especially at the high cost). Now they have the 87max which has the IP rating. If they changed the 87V part name they just might lose a bunch of sales if the purchasing agents had to rejustify IMHO;) As for safety, there are lots of lower cost options that come with 3rd party safety certifications for CAT IV. The Amprobe AM570 is an example at less than half the cost (and owned by the same company that owns Fluke). As for your second point - that's a tough argument - given the 87V is about 18 years old. The software with bluetooth was first developed by Agilent (I believe), and then lots of others are using it now. The difference is others give the apps for free, but Fluke charges a subscription fee. FLIR has the multimeter with their FLIR technology and start at about $720. Fluke bought their competitor (I think Raytek) and now have one but costs $1055.99. As for the flex current probes, I have used them from a couple of companies (including the Fluke probes). Again a number of companies make them, but Fluke is expensive. Hioki makes fantastic equipment and as an example their leads cost $400 where Flukes were $575. Again, I'm not a Fluke hater, I have used and own lots of their stuff - but IMHO it is over priced. Great points and I thank you!
@adventuresincampingwithcar8622 2 жыл бұрын
I picked up a Sperry Multi meter at a flea market for $10. I also have an old Simpson analog meter. They work and are pretty acurate. But I'm not doing things that are highly sensative, at least not yet. I'm a blacksmith who also does HAM Radio.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! Those meters have been used for years - and work great.
@cpcfreak 2 жыл бұрын
I feel the debate is really two different issues, one is focussed on discussing why Fluke are more expensive, the other is really discussing if the magnitude of the price difference is justified. In this regard, both are correct, Fluke is more expensive for some very good reasons, and at the price point relative to the performance of others products the Fluke price is not justified for the average user. Also it's easy for professionals to comment about these issues from a professional supply chain perspective, that might not apply to the general public or retail purchaser. For example, warranties offered through a professional supply chains might not be the same as warranties offered through a retail chain, and this will vary by geographic locations. I know many products that come with lifetime warranties from the foreign manufacturer, that are not honoured in a local export market where logistics or laws are different, in fact I've had that very issue in the last few months with one of my own pieces of technology.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great feedback! The interesting thing about the supply chain is what the lease companies carry as many large companies lease all or most their test equipment. Then the Calibration labs that they have agreements with may not even trouble themselves with repair and just replace. It is expensive but I suppose it is a write off and makes financial sense to big companies. This isn't the way we watching these videos make our decisions;)
@jasonriddell 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog I believe a LOT of the test equipment returned on lease is refurbed and resold into the retail market and NEW is sent out on the lease contract so for the supply house it is NOT a great cost as they get to resell the used refurb onto a retail market that will NOT pay new prices while keeping control of the brand image a TEK scope on a bench in a small shop is the chance to KEEP a potential customer away from the "low cost" CHINESE brands TEK and Keysight and "friends" all sell refurb units for "better" pricing and also have "education" lines
@singlehanded12 2 жыл бұрын
I've always found in my life that when someone is trying to kick your but you know you are doing something right.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you!
@Aitch-Two-Oh 2 жыл бұрын
The art of diplomacy is telling someone to go to hell whilst leaving them looking forward to the journey. ... and you just picked up a new subscriber. 😀
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
That's awesome! LOL thanks much! I appreciate you!
@SIXSTRING63 2 жыл бұрын
The Brymen BM869s is the best meter per $ on the market. Very similar in features as the Fluke 189 which I have and love too. I go to the Brymen meter more because it isn’t a battery hog and goes to the last place you had your secondary function set when you restart it, nice feature the Flukes don’t do.
@GameProgrammer79 2 жыл бұрын
yes Brymen BM869s is the best overall meter and has been in the market for some years now. That 200k DC volts is a killer, useful in the very low "current" ;) long running coin cell applications
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great feedback. I have to remember that feature and point it out when I see it. I appreciate you!
@stanimir4197 2 жыл бұрын
@@GameProgrammer79 "That 200k DC volts is a killer" it's 500k counts
@GameProgrammer79 2 жыл бұрын
@@stanimir4197 My typos and thanks! I am forgetful like a ol grand old 😂
@mrpetit2 2 жыл бұрын
Actually maybe its cheaper brother the BM867S might be the best meter per $. It misses some functionality (no temp measurement and no VFD mode) and it's 0.03% instead of 0.02%, but it's also about 25% cheaper (here in europe: €209 (incl. tax) for the 869S and €159(incl. tax) for the 867S. For the people on a really tight budget 🙂
@hestheMaster 2 жыл бұрын
It a stand- by- their- product company. They are made well and if something goes wrong with they stand by their products. Fluke is the high bar of test equipment! If you are looking for something similar try a Testo model 760-2 or -3 out. Sure it is cheaper and much less warranty, but you do get a really good deal as it is a well made TRMS auto range meter.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! You are right! I love my Testo 760-2. It is smaller than a Fluke but has a great shape in the hand with a large very nice display. Much better value and the build quality is top notch!
@NickBR57 2 жыл бұрын
I think there is a distinction between why something is expensive (retail price set by manufacturer) and why someone pays a high price (value to consumer). Maybe Fluke is expensive because of the amount of service infrastructure Fluke has in lace and the quality of components and plastics, forced ample. It costs them to have the people, service centres, documentation etc and that needs to be covered in the price. Someone buying it may be considering perceived greater protection (which may or may not be real) or they may consider many other factors that Dave talks about in his video. Probably a bit of both. But I think retail set price and price the customer is prepared to pay may be different things or based on different considerations. Also, commercial buyers, buying by the hundred, may have different criteria than individuals do so longevity of the design (as opposed to the physical item) may be of greater concern. It may cost you a couple of hundred to replace with a later model but if you are replacing 200 meters with a later model, because the current one is no longer supported, it's a big deal. (BTW I have an Amazon Commercial and its holding up remarkably well despite the occasional "accident")
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the awesome response! It is a perception that value is decided on;) Today, the integrated electronics will have the meters working years from now as well as they do today. And, the electronics needed to make for a great reading today is much easier with far fewer components, so they will be more reliable as time goes on. As you say perception is the key element - and this perception can change based on reality in the few short years to come... So, what is mainstream today can flip on a decade:)
@NickBR57 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog How true all that is!
@anssiw737 2 жыл бұрын
You really do have Finland deep in your blood! :D The way you let people know that you DO know and still laugh and make it sound like "no big deal but.. yep, I DO!" ;) There is no reason for overpricing anything! :)
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that! I appreciate you!
@riffmaj7 2 жыл бұрын
As a professional Technician, I think Fluke is trying to bring the price down with plenty of features as any of their other models by releasing their Chinese models in to the market. They come with no warranty "not even limited" of course, for those of us in the US. I purchased the Fluke 17B+ for only $148 from Amazon last month and feel it was a very good bargain. Thanks to you and Dave for the vids. I think my choices in test equipment are more finely tuned. Thanks again.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! Remember the Amprobe AM570, it is such a great meter with lots of great features and is about the same price on Amazon. Amprobe and Fluke are both owned by the same company.
@howlinhog 2 жыл бұрын
My first multimeter was a 77. I bought it from my Snap On tool guy in the early eighties. His selling point was to throw it against the wall, pick it up and make a measurement. It turned out to be everything you could want for many years. I still have it. Next came the 97 hand held scope. Back then automotive oscilloscopes were nearly as wide as a car, and too tall to see over. Imagine graduating to a scope that came in a briefcase size plastic case. Now my go to is the 87V and a 190-204 scope. I choose Fluke because I trust them implicitly! As a professional I will always choose Fluke in spite of knowing there are plenty of cheaper alternatives (especially with handheld scopes). I was tortured with indecision on the scope when comparing with other handhelds but the Fluke scopes really are protected better (isolated) than the much cheaper (not isolated) alternatives. Although I do own a 4 channel Pico scope that is PC based and freakin awesome!!! It's a bit of a hassle setting up for a mobile tech like myself so I do tend to grab the 190.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great feedback! I totally understand. Back in the day - it seemed like Fluke was it! I bought the Tektronix handheld as it was the first powerful handheld scope, but I think after they and Fluke were bought by Danaher, Tek had to give it up to let Fluke run that line. Now, decades later, there are so many options that are not only less costly, but are actually much better in performance. IMHO;) I think the Micsig is an example of handheld scopes that offer so many more options at a much better price. Have you looked into those? BTW, I remember those old scopes for automotive that were on large carts - LOL!
@howlinhog 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog Hey thanks for the reply. I had a Micsig but I sold it to a young guy who wanted to learn scopes. I really liked the display but for a mobile tech I thought it wasn't really very robust. And I was constantly accidentally pushing buttons and changing settings. Micsig has an automotive based one that is solely touch screen and has a protective rubber sleeve. Kinda wish I had chosen it instead. I still might get it. Hey I have a request for you that you may want to consider. I've ran into this before, but it happened again last thursday and caused me a delay in diagnosis. Because I work with large industrial batteries and motor speed controllers that convert to a 3 phase motor, and, there are lots of sfaety measures put into place that will shut down the system. For instance, I had a trouble code that was related to a possible low voltage condition on the DC side. I pretty much always grab the 87V and use the min/max feature while trying to recreate the failure (it was intermittent). What I discovered was that there seems to be a limit to the quickness of the glitch that the 87 can catch. Of course my scope caught it. So my question is, do different meters have a better baud rate than others? If so, my request would be to maybe do a comparison of different meters and their ability to catch glitches. Sorry for being so long winded LOL
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
I totally get what you mean with the Micsig, but the automotive version does seem more robust. I wanted to get one and the auto type probes but I spend so much already - I gotta pace myself;) Thanks for the idea on the glitch performance comparison! I did think about this once and I do try to point it out in a review, but it is lost in the myriad of other features that I go thru;) But now you've given me an idea to simply do a comparison between meters that do have that feature;)
@howlinhog 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog Cool! Glad you're considering a comparison on glitch capture in meters. By the way, I said in another post that my go to meter is the 87V. But, I do have another meter I use quite a bit. When I go in to a customer and I suspect from their description of complaint all I'll need is a meter and a phone to order the part, I grab the Kaiweets KM601. I really appreciate your review on it. Finally, a pocket size meter that accepts my 4mm leads and all the adapters that go along with it. It's a big deal for a mobile tech.
@johnshaw359 2 жыл бұрын
I don't need a fluke personally, but having watched Dave's video I'm very happy for those that know what's what, to pay the extra for them. Sounds to me that it boils down to assurance and insurance reasons broadly speaking.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks John! If I work for a large company again, I'll be sure to request a better meter - now that this channel has opened my eyes to what is out there.
@johnshaw359 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog I'm pretty sure that if it's a job/company involving public safety, like the nuclear or the aviation industry, you won’t have to.
@LOTPOR0402 2 жыл бұрын
Are Apple products over priced yes , is a Ferrari and a Rolex watch overpriced yes , but people will pay when they have the money to waste .Marketing has a lot to do with it must have trendy products
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree! But marketing generally needs something to work with. It's like when my wife was looking for her new car (before we were married and she had money;) She showed me the Jeep commercial - and they showed the Jeep going to the top of the mountain - and then the words - its a jeep! The Jaguar commercial showed the thing going up a winding road to the top of the mountain with bullets popping up showing the technology that was put in this car (that received SUV of the year). I'm a jeep guy, but I had to admit the new tech in the Jag was remarkable. So, what does Fluke marketing use - its a Fluke. That's all they have to work with;) LOL
@cristianstoica4544 2 жыл бұрын
Talking about paying extra for 'calibration'. I've worked for a company that made compilers for their ICs. They had a line of compilers labeled 'Safety Certified' that added several thousand dollars to the price tag. They were IDENTICAL to the standard compiler except for the version string. To respond to our silent WTF, the department manager emphasized to us in several meetings that the burden of proof for the safety certification lied with the end product developer not with the tool developer (and indeed that what the standard said). But that clarified to me what the certification process really is: paper covering in cases of f-ups
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
I think there is a lot of truth in that;)
@mosfet500 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Eddie, you make some good points. The first thing with the government is that they buy stuff that they know will work and work. They may not have the best features but the gov doesn't care. When I was working on equipment in the service and even large scale computers we all used Tek scopes because the gov and industry knew they weren't going to buy 10k scopes and have something weird creep in months or years down the road. It's sort of like when you were nervous because one of your supplies would go into mass production, the last thing you wanted was for that supply to fail down the road and come back on you. I'll give you an example. The gov buys, or at least they used to, vernier calipers, they are 100% mechanical. You'd wonder why the heck they didn't buy digital calipers, they're easier to read and just, if not more accurate. The gov knows they will give the same reading pretty much under all conditions, even if you drop them. You can get dial calipers that are 100% mechanical but if you drop them the little gear inside can miss a tooth or whatever. A mechanical vernier caliper will work the same in 10 years as it does today, a Fluke will probably too. Dave probably sells a great meter, he's a terrific engineer but the gov will probably never even look at his meter or anything close to it, neither will major corporations. They buy top name brands because in the long run they're safer. I have Fluke from the mid 80's that still work perfectly, when I needed a new chip a few years ago for one of my meters, they had it. In five years there's a much better chance of Fluke still selling meters and parts for those meters than Dave Jones. Think about buying 5,000 meters and finding out in five years the company is gone. Us small potatoes guys, we buy one meter, we want the most bang for the buck, it's a different ball game so I understand where Dave is coming from on this. In five years we buy the next bang for the buck meter, if we find out in two years that the designers goofed up a circuit, so be it. I figure Fluke will sell you a meter if you want it but if you don't, they won't go out of business. Also the bigger a corporation the more stuff cost. Fluke pays salaries, health care, etc.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great feedback. I've been shocked in recent years to see how little the Bid Defense contractor I worked for actually cares about the money they spend on equipment - and the unwillingness to repair anymore. I've see carts of expensive equipment busted up and sold to recyclers. Also, now they Lease and don't actually buy much anymore. The Lease companies make more money selling high dollar items, so you won't see lower cost items. Also, the cal labs that have contracts to calibrate all the equipment (rarely sending anything to an original manufacturer - unless they have to for a specialized piece) the cal labs will keep the equipment if it doesn't meet calibration. I guess disposing of it themselves. It is sad but that's the way it is going these days. BTW, the multimeter is in the noise and no one cares which one they buy and how much they cost. I asked for a new Tektronix scope to swap out the one that the lease ran out on (about a $27k scope), and I hated it, so they got me a Keysight - but didn't even return the Tektronix - even though the leasing company would have swapped it to appease me. It wasn't worth the paper work. Sad!!
@RectifiedMetals Жыл бұрын
Just found your channel and subscribed by second video. Now thumbs up about the “warranty” claims. I’m glad you talk about this. I believe in the US cars are 10 years after discontinuation (supposedly) but electronics is weird. I don’t know if there is a federal standard on electronics. Just look at parts for AV receivers and tv’s parts are gone 3 years after production. I know there are laws about parts production and product support, like most laws, are not enforced. What’s your take on right to repair? 😂😂😂😂 word perfect, talk about long in the tooth, rotary phones, beepers, tv stations that shut off at midnight, the memories.
@KissAnalog Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! I think it is not right that you can call something a 'lifetime warranty' and it mean something else. It would be more correct to call it an extended warranty. The right to repair is something I don't know the specifics about, but in general - techs have been repairing items for years by reverse engineering circuits. Often schematics are not available and a great tech could repair it anyway. Some manufacturers will shave off the part number from the parts and even pot the products to make them impossible to reverse engineer. Manufacturers are worried about losing IP (Intellectual Property) as so many copy cats are running amuck. So, I think in some cases you would have to be a certified repair shop - where the shop would have to sign papers to promise to keep the IP safe and not to publish anything. When a product is sold - it comes with a warranty and even often an extended warranty is offered. But there is no promise to the purchaser that the item can be serviced by just any shop. That's the agreement made when the purchase is made. Some manufacturers will offer to trade back in an old product for credit toward a new one. What are your thoughts and knowledge on this?
@TRONMAGNUM2099 2 жыл бұрын
I have done Technician work for several companies. Every job that provided a meter was always a Fluke. The Job I have now, we use Flukes. We hired a young guy out of a technical college, and he said the school had a partnership with Fluke, so that is all he has ever worked with. I like other meters, but you really don't have a choice. The company provides you a meter, and you are stuck with it at most places.
@JasonQuackenbushonGoogle 2 жыл бұрын
which makes you wonder if the brand name premium isn’t really just part of the branding and industry capture. it’s that old psychological principle that people who pay more for something think of it as being more valuable than it would be at a lower cost.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great feedback! I used Flukes and didn't thing anything of it. I could have requested a Testo or Flir, or what I wanted, but I never even thought about it. I thought more about the power supplies and features they have, as well as active loads and Oscilloscopes. This channel opened my eyes;)
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
There is so much truth in that - the higher price must mean something ... right???
@Wok_Agenda 2 жыл бұрын
My father is an El.Engineer since the 70s , never had a fluke and most of the times he uses a cheap uni-t multimeter. The people that i see buying flukes are posers rarely doing field work
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! If you know what you are doing you carry what you want;)
@grimreaper9748 2 жыл бұрын
I bought a Fluke 87 used over 30 years ago and I just gave it to my daughter that is taking mechanics at college and beside the case srews in the back that roke the meter still works perfect and it hasn't been calibrated sinse i bought it but still giving exact radings as the other cheapo meters i owned tru the years, so yea! I think I'll get me another one in the near future.... I also have a FLUKE 75 that I bought the same time period and is my favorite to go meter it is not a TRMS but i trust it will continue to work for years to come.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback! That's the beauty of solid state electronics. There's not much that can drift or go wrong in meters since the 70s. There's a lot of choices besides cheep meters, but cost half what a Fluke does;)
@jamesaguirre853 2 жыл бұрын
Both of you make excellent points! He even agrees that for many buyers should consider something else.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks James! Appreciate you!
@thomasmaughan4798 2 жыл бұрын
You make your choice, you pay your money, you get your meter.
@ianhaylock7409 2 жыл бұрын
I was asked by my supervisor to choose a multimeter for the department. I told him just buy a Fluke. Then remembered your video of the Testo multimeter, and we ended up getting that instead. Haven't had any regrets with that decision.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian for the feedback! I am very happy with my Testo. Let us know how things go;) Way to go being brave enough to go against the tide;)
@tomaszwota1465 2 жыл бұрын
Testo? Now you got me interested.
@Stuartrusty 2 жыл бұрын
Long service UK electrical/electronics tester myself and spent 15 years with a UK defence contractor. I hear what you are saying about design engineer's test specs. 'Or equivalent' was something that was written into a lot of test specs with regard to test equipment, but in much older specs this was not always the case. Often a specific piece of test equipment was specified by a customer because it is what they had used for a number of other contracts/builds. Another customer would ask what test equipment was used during production test procedures and would purchase their test equipment based on that. Another reason in particular that was given by the contractor for not changing old test specs was 'limited time and resources allocated to past contracts that didn't generate revenue.' In other words it wasn't worth it to spend time getting design engineers to change a spec that 10 plus years old. Bearing in mind also that with a lot military customers, as I'm sure you'll know, once the test spec had been written and the contract completed, that test spec was no longer allowed to be altered in any respect. In addition, the contractor as part of the contract could be obliged to supply parts and spares to the original specification for 10 years after delivery of equipment, this would often (not always) include test equipment. I emphasise that in particular a lot of UK MOD contracts were set in stone and we would often get requests for 10, 15, 20, 25 year old parts and spares for equipment still in service. Other customers would be more practical with the contract and ask for equivalent parts or spares. This is why (at a guess) that some manufacturers will produce equipment that seems outdated or less well spec'd. My current work contract is now with Fluke Precision Measurement UK on their precision bench top multimeters, fascinating stuff and a great learning experience. The precision measurement Fluke stuff (not just electrical, but pressure, RF, temperature, humidity and flow), industry calibration standards.(Made in UK) Now I'm not a fluke fanboy and there are so many great measurement instruments available and I don't have any Fluke instruments myself, and have used a variety of top quality test instruments from Keithley, Solartron, Datron, Wavetek, Tektronix, Wayne Kerr, Philips, HP, Analog Devices, Thurlby Thandar. Use whatever you want to use for the job in hand, as long as its repeatable and reliable for your applications whatever they maybe.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
@Stuart Russell Thanks for your great feedback! You do have a lot of experience and I appreciate you sharing that;)
@tristacker 2 жыл бұрын
I worked in UK accredited military calibration centres as well. Tech publications were specific as to test equipment to be used and if this changed really could affect tracibility and invalidate accreditation. New kit had to be chosen at the highest technical level and could not be chosen by say a unit or regiment. Just because a "better" model came along was no reason to change as long as manufacturers supported the kit that was still doing a good job.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Also Harry, I think things are different today. I think Fluke is going to have to make some changes. I'll bet in the next decade we will see a huge change;)
@qzorn4440 2 жыл бұрын
back in the 70s i ordered a Keithley bench meter to go with our Fluke 8600A, good stuff back then. 🧐today checking out budget hobby bluetooth equipment. 🥳great results.💫thanks.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I agree - I like my Keithley as well. I am interested in the great products today with Bluetooth and other great features - at much better prices. My benchtop Keithley is probably the best meter that I have though;)
@paulrash8861 2 жыл бұрын
You get what you pay for, buy it once and take care of it.... Yes i was born and raised on fluke and any other man who takes pride in the quality of work will vouch for that
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul! I do agree with you - that you do get what you pay for. There is a cost for quality. But, when a name gets so big, do they start taking advantage of our loyalty? I think in this case they do. I just see so much better quality and features in other products at better prices. Once you have used a HIoki multimeter, you will not buy a yellow meter again. IMHO;)
@macmaniacal 2 жыл бұрын
I will gladly pay much more for something that has been made repairable. I have saved much more by buying used test equipment, repairing it with schematics that have been made available. Having a long running model helps with this. I wouldn't be where I am today without it. Since Fluke has their own cal lab as you say, they also make their own calibrators, which I bet many small cal shops use to calibrate other meters. Side note, I purchased an almost new fluke 87v on ebay for I think $150?
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback! Wow, that is a crazy low price! I had to pay $300 for my used 87V on eBay for my review;)
@moseswally 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog lot of fake 87v floating around.
@Ormaaj 2 жыл бұрын
It would seem this video is mainly speaking to handheld meters, and pretty much all handhelds being implemented as an almost totally undocumented monolithic ASIC with few supporting active components, the most important of which don't have available replacement parts, there's hardly anything nontrivial in there that would be repairable regardless of the brand, including calibration! DIY calibration isn't even a thing if you don't know the protocol for programming it and you can't buy the calibrator for your specific model. Dave's 121GW is somewhat exceptional with its dedicated RMS -> DC IC and documented embedded architecture with "user programmable" EEPROM. Repairability is barely relevent until you reach benchtop meters beyond a certain threshold of crappiness.
@DonMcCulloughCyber 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I agree with you and appreciate the honesty!!! I bought a Testo 760-3 and love it. Made in Germany and extremely high quality!
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I love my Testo 760-2. I would have bought the -3 but they were not in stock! This is a great size and beautiful display. It works great and I can't be happier at the price:)
@questionmark9684 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog Hi Eddie, What about Gossen Metrawatt meters? They seem quite interesting... Cheers Mark
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
@@questionmark9684 I thought about getting one to review - but they are so expensive;)
@young_of_the_mill9560 2 жыл бұрын
What do you think about the Fluke 12?
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Great question! It is my opinion that it is just a well built Chinese meter, but that’s it! It is only a 4K count meter and not TRMS as I believe. It should be priced below $40. Bad choice for a meter, and I don’t even think Fluke shows it on their website. And it comes with terribly stiff leads. At a price just a little higher you can get a hugely better meter in a Testo amzn.to/3L2fHSn
@user-jd4gq3gz6w 2 жыл бұрын
В арсенале имею 87 5 и 287, а также 319 клещи. Каждый прибор до последнего цента отрабатывает свой функционал. Это лучшие измерительные приборы на рынке.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I agree they are good - but far from the best IMHO;) But they are one of the most expensive!
@YouKnowThisBoy 2 жыл бұрын
At my first engineering job I got, in 2016 my firm was still using windows NT on the production final test, since that was what the wafer fab used. Industrial equipment doesn't move at the same pace as home products. The process argument is basically "it doesn't matter if it's wrong - as long as it's always the same wrong". Depending on how controlled a process needs to be - changing a meter could require a lot of work to validate the new process; pay an engineer for a month's work or pay an additional £200 for the same meter; Fluke just saved the company £1000s
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this feedback. I know that in some military projects that I’ve worked they were still using old pcs with a particular operating system. But, that’s an entirely different issue. I know it sounds that way but a multimeter is a multimeter;) It might require an averaging meter or TRMS, but that’s where it ends. I’d love to see one actual test document to prove this wrong. Just one. It is one of the sad myths.
@YouKnowThisBoy 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog I think it depends largely on who is using the equipment. If you're trying to deskill an operation you want the equipment to always be the same so that it alway looks the same to an operator or you can end up having operators stop work because the exact meter isn't available But in my previous comment I was thinking more of benchtop meters where you might remote control them. I agree there are better meters available cheaply but the option from the big retailers is overwhelmingly fluke meters. 54 at farnell out of 300 handhelds
@shivsaklani 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve got a fluke 17b it’s been made in china but for me the reason I went with fluke was simply because that’s the only brand I trusted my use cases has primarily been hobby usage but with test equipment I tend to pay more for quality.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback. I don’t think made in China makes it bad, but it is over priced IMHO. The Amprobe AM570 has more features and much better test leads and is made even higher quality IMHO kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m76ggqqeueDVpKc.html
@marcc482 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your video .. you are spot on regarding this. Fluke is great but there are many others out there that are great as well !!!
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Marc. I agree! I appreciate you!
@mrpetit2 2 жыл бұрын
I think there are very important/main 2 aspects that define whether Fluke meters are overpriced or not. 1. Do you need them to be calibrated or not. (ISO17025) 2. Are you going to buy a lot of them. Regarding the first; virtually every lab can calibrate most Fluke meters. Also, they can do it relatively cheap. Fluke has their own calibration machines/software, that can virtually automatically calibrate a lot of meters. So the operator only has to turn the dial. That saves time, everything is nicely logged etc, great for the quality control department. Great if you're the ministry of defence, and buy a 1000 DMM's, have your own calibration center etc. So that answers #2. So when do you need a calibrated DMM. Simple, when you're doing work for most large industries. I mean, I calibrate powersupplies for the aircraft industry. Those power supplies need to meet specific specs set by Boeing, Airbus or the Mil. Std. However, my client (an airline company, so not boeing or airbus) says: measuring equipment needs to be iso17025 calibrated. That's it. Do I use a Fluke? Hell no. I use a Brymen BM869S. Why? For those calibrations of powersupplies, I use an electronic load and a separate shunt. That shunt (from Isabellenhütte) is way more accurate and stabile than the electronic load. I have that shunt calibrated annually to 6 digits. So it outputs 100,043mV at 20 amps (thats the best my calibration lab can do it). So where do I buy a handheld DMM that can measure at that resolution from Fluke. They don't have that. Brymen has one that is 2,5 times as cheap as an 87V (where I live the Brymen 869S is €209, and a Fluke 87V is €530!), and Gossen has one that cost about 5 times the Brymen. So I chose the Brymen I have a lab that will calibrate the Brymen, but I'm in Europe. I wonder if you can find one in the US or in other parts of the world. Hence #1 of my list :) However if you don't need all that, Get that Brymen BM869s anyway, it's arguably the best DMM at the moment regardless the price, let alone that its more than twice as cheap as an 87V. BTW, I have a fluke 115, bought it a long time ago (in 2007 I believe), but it came (then) with awesome silicone leads. Not the leads that are so often shown in your video's. So I guess they cheaped out at some point? Or mine was a special offer? Anyway, that Fluke keeps his models for a long time is maybe interesting for some companies/industries, but it's also for lots of customers a downside. Fluke hasn't come out with new meters in the higher segment for a long time now. Most of their models are pretty much surpassed now by the competition in technical terms. However, the price of the Fluke's is still just as high as when they were launched. That's why for example the 115, or 87V etc are extremely expensive for what they offer regarding their specs and workings.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great feedback! My last job at a large defense contractor sent all their devices to the place where they had a contract (not Fluke). They bought lots of Fluke 87s, but that's what they've always bought, and no one though better. It wasn't questioned, they are jelly bean devices when we are more concerned about the high dollar stuff. But, this is mostly out of lazy purchasing, not because of what anyone wanted. IMHO There were labs where I saw Agiliant meters cause that's what that lab manager liked. I would have asked for that sweet Bryman 869s if I had known about it. Now that I know about it, I want one;)
@mrpetit2 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog Agilent multimeters (or better said: now Keysight multimeters) are targetted at the same market as Fluke. They are of course historically HP, so they'll have support and calibration programs offered in virtually every country. they are priced similar too. They do offer maybe more functionality for the price but that is probably due to that their product range is newer. When Fluke renews their product range (I expect they'll do between now and a few years), Fluke will have the edge again. But these brands will never get cheaper. They may produce cheaper product lines (like first the fluke 11x range and now the 17b+ models), but their main multimeters will never get cheaper. Same as here in Europe the brand Gossen Metrawatt, or Chauvin Arnoux, or Hioki in Japan. All focussed on the same professional market as Fluke does, and all similarly priced (or in case of Gossen, even more expensive). Objectively these brands are not that interesting for a consumer, only for professionals. But professionals usually don't watch youtube video's to decide what brand and type of multimeter they need. They know their demands lists and search accordingly. The cost is then less of a concern because a professional doesn't spend his own money but company money. (ok, maybe not for the self employed professional)
@stanimir4197 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog one more voice for BM869s. Probably the only downside I can think of is the 9V battery [but it does lasts actually], and that it's not good at testing LEDs.
@jasonriddell 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrpetit2 like the "snap on" truck for car mechanics the home hobbyist wont buy SNAP ON and is NOT the intended consumer anyways
@jamesaguirre853 2 жыл бұрын
Funny Dave just did a video hitting the same points you did...take a look
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
What’s funny is my video was supposed to be made public this morning but I messed up on the schedule. I did this video based on his comment on my Rant video;)
@EEVblog 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog Looks like I released my video just hours beforer yours!
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Dave! Thanks for all you do!
@__Chucky__ 2 жыл бұрын
I prefer Brymen. BTW my DMMs: Mastech MS8268, UNI-T UT171C, Amprobe AM-570, Brymen BM878
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I’m with you! I like all those meters;)
@versace885 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Eddie, I appreciate your expertise and honesty. A great video. Thank you
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
So nice of you! I appreciate you!
@DaleCovert 2 жыл бұрын
I still have a Fluke 77AN bought in the early '90s that works nice.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback! Yes they are a solid meter, but the new 77 is probably double what you payed in the 90s, but with very little change in functionality. The Amprobe AM570 is TRMS and has many other great features that the new 77 does not, and they are owned by the same company that owns Fluke. So, I wonder if you would make the same purchase choice today? :)
@Kosmonooit 2 жыл бұрын
My first meter was/is a RCA analog job that came as kit as part of an electronics course I did in my early teens. I like my suite of Flukes the only dinky one I got is an EVVBlog one that has become unusable. I got most of my Flukes used off ebay. Most recent one got is the 101, which I splashed all of $50 for a new one, xmas present to my good self.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I remember those kits with courses back in the day;) They were great and the kits were fun! Which EEVblog meter do you have and what happened to it? My favorite Fluke is my 189;)
@bcwrangler 2 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of Starrett...great company making high quality products. But...is their combination square set designed in approx 1870's still warrant the very high cost? There's another quality one made in the USA that is nowhere near the price! I just think that to keep jobs here there needs to be some assessment on the big picture on being competitive but staying relevant and staying in business
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this feedback! I’d agree if they still made even half their meters in the USA. Now they are owned by a company that I fear will drive them into the non-exceptional products. They are getting there fast IMHO;)
@stephend3961 2 жыл бұрын
Like Gibson, Your Paying for the name -- I have three Fluke meters and their not any better than any other good quality meter - Oh Yeah, their warranty ain't sht. I also have a Fluke 189 and it is my favorite Fluke meter -- and the last one I will ever purchase.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! I agree with you, and the 189 is my favorite Fluke as well;)
@pirate959 2 жыл бұрын
You have to pay for the R&D of great products and future products. My Fluke is now 20 years old with no trouble. It's worth the premium. For the new engineer, don't be ashamed to stay in your budget. You have a career to build.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback! But that R&D was paid off decades ago. Th last R&D they had was taken from Tektronix when Danaher acquired them after Fluke, and that’s where the 180 series came from. Even Fluke said the 189 had 20 new features. I think they killed that line realizing it would kill their 87V that was released the same year. They want to ride that gravy train on the old tek in the 87 as long as they can and people keep blindly following them. IMHO of course;) Buying a better meter could open up a talking point where one could show how much they know by making a better decision. :)
@pirate959 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog fair enough. Still need a good workforce to keep things consistent all these years. They earned a ride on the gravy train. 🤣 For what they do, it's a rugged option. Dare I open the can of worms on a bench top meter? Fluke has no solution for this in my view and not sure everybody realizes the advantage of a good benchtop meter with four wire measurement capability. Perhaps that's a good video to do.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave! I agree, Fluke is a solid meter, and that gravy train has been good to them. I wish they would keep their steak in the ground and come out with a new line - maybe the commercial line so they can keep the gravy train on the 87 going:) Thanks, I have been looking at bench meters to show - they are handy and some prefer them. The 4 wire is a viable reason to have at least one;) I like the Fluke 45 model...mostly because I was a Fluke fan;)
@Deneteus 2 жыл бұрын
I salute you sir. 👏 Keep it real!
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I appreciate you!!
@JasonQuackenbushonGoogle 2 жыл бұрын
if they are sold in the US, consumer goods aren’t required to carry a country of origin designation unless they are cars, textiles, and products containing wool and/or fur. However, since there’s a retail premium on “made in the usa” on many other products, it’s illegal to sell a product in the US unless all or almost all of the parts and labor used in production are of US origin. Almost anything containing semiconductors, therefore, will probably be difficult to meet the standard because only something close to half of semiconductors produced by US semiconductor manufacturers are fabricated in the US. And that number comes from the industry lobbying organization so you know it’s at least somewhat inflated. The number is so suspiciously just large enough to make the claim “most of our semiconductors are made in the US” that it also makes me suspicious of just how many of the more expensive to manufacturers microchips made in the US don’t get earmarked for defense industry use because federal defense security laws require it. I don’t know it for a fact, then, but my suspicion is that virtually any electronic device that isn’t milspec probably can’t claim to be made in the USA physically on the product or in its trade dress, advertising, or packaging. That’s partly why you can’t buy a new gpu chip at retail and used ones are selling at a premium over msrp. They get bought for china based cryptomining operations before they have a chance to ship across the pacific. Which is why the issue has been discussed by congress. Even wholesale buyers are taking a hit. so many consumer electronic goods that should be readily available are having a hard time keeping up with demand. that also likely has more to do with the high rate of inflation over the last year than does the labor shortage, which has not yet translated into similar growth in real wages no matter how many fast food franchises claim they are paying dishwashers 25 bucks an hour. /rant.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this terrific feedback! Great info! I appreciate you!
@jeffsadowski 2 жыл бұрын
As per safety I took it that all the others are required to have the same level of safety not that fluke was any less.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Great question Jeff! To be sure about the safety, it is a good idea to select a meter that has 3rd party safety certifications - not just CE marking. There are plenty out there - and at affordable pricing (in comparison;).
@qguitar1 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great vids. Always good to have professional opinions with different points of view. PGH 724 #1 Ty
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I agree! Debating on the different view points brings out ideas that help one think about what they think is important to them.
@edwardharvey7687 2 жыл бұрын
Danaher does not develop technology. They purchase companies, incorporate their products and then lay off most of their engineers. Thus products from Fluke and Techtronix have mostly stagnated since Danaher bought them. The popularity of Fluke multimeters, like DeWalt portable drills, persists primarily due to industry momentum, not because they make better products.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. It sure seems that you are right. I just feel like people should look around and consider other options where money can be better spent.
@W4BIN 2 жыл бұрын
If you have one watch you KNOW what the time is. If you have two watches you never know what time it is. How to those over a dozen meters and those scopes track their readings now? Ron W4BIN
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
LOL - that's perfect Ronald! Actually, I took several of my high count meters and put them against each other to see how close they were. Of course they were well within spec of each other;)
@darylcheshire1618 2 жыл бұрын
I feel inadequate, I only have four multimeters and no Fluke. One of them is an analog. I love moving needles.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
LOL Is your 4 meters enough? - that’s the question;)
@darylcheshire1618 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog It’s like having four watches, you can only use them one at a time.
@garrett798 11 ай бұрын
Military should use "fun" meters? sounds like a hard sell to me, I can just picture me interacting with a troop who told me the meter issued to him was not fun enough, conversation would probably have ended up with the troop having my kind of "fun" in the front leaning rest. Years without change = reliable, bugs have all been worked out and training does not need constant updating.
@KissAnalog 11 ай бұрын
LOL - why is fun a hard sell? I have worked for much of my career in designing for military equipment - from SPACE, Jet Fighters, Ground, and Navy - and I find my job fun. I like using equipment that is fun - what makes it fun - great displays - great user experience - and results you can trust. Yes - give me Fun every time - and that is a Sale;) BTW, when I was in the Air Force - I used plenty of expensive equipment - and I wish someone would have designed it to be more fun - instead of a pain in the $%@ to use. Also, the bugs are worked out before they go into the field - that is a requirement. The equipment that I helped develop for the International Space Station had to work for 20 years with zero failures. Shame on anyone giving some solder a piece of equipment with bugs in it. Old does not mean more reliable - the new equipment today is far more reliable. Sorry - but it pains me when people make excuses to support old expensive equipment - just because of the color of the plastic.
@notadream-tt3cn 2 жыл бұрын
I personally like fluke, the Jack's on my 87 went bad and all I had to do is go buy the Jack's for it and solder them in. I've had other brands but fluke was always the most reliable. Well that is other than my hp, and Simpson meters. Most of my equipment is old , and honestly I'd trade reliability and product lifetime over meters jam packed with features I more than likely won't use a handheld meter for anyway. Plus I work with fluke stuff often in college, if you can hand a expensive multimeter to a bunch of first year students who have no clue what there doing than I'd say it's one tough meter. The amount of times I've seen other students wire things in that would probably fry any other meter is astronomical. An example, measuring ac mains in the ohms setting. Don't ask why that classmate wanted to do that because I don't know 🤷 I do know many meters would be toast after that
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback - I appreciate you! You could sale Amazon Commercial meters that are more durable than an 87 and cost much less to schools - but then they wouldn't be brainwashed into thinking that you have to have a yellow meter;)
@notadream-tt3cn 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog they could but just like Dave Jones said about the army, the college is the same. They write lab manuals for a specific tool and they'd rather not change it. Especially when it comes to the scopes. They could get a cheaper one but then..... the lab manual no longer would be relevant.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
@@notadream-tt3cn When I taught at a community College we didn’t use those lab manuals as I wanted the student to think and not be told. Also the savings could be put in writing a real lab book as one would do on the job:)
@jasonriddell 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog I would NOT be surprised IF FLUKE sells at BIG discount to make sure there meter is the one kids use first
@miroslawkaras7710 2 жыл бұрын
Your comment about Keysight oscilloscope I will not chose them. I do not like there user interface. Very confusing. The core design is already dated, I believe more then 10 years old that show in relatively low memory dept like 4 Msample. Most modern Oscilloscope have 12 to 50 MSample per Chanel. Dave did some interesting comparison of oscilloscopes.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your great feedback! The Keysight that I referred to is over $20k, so it was very nice, but I don't ever see myself buying one for myself;)
@brianmegagorgeous 10 ай бұрын
do you know about meters named FINEST made in KOREA under the company name of FINE INSTRUMENTS CORPS, I bought it new many years ago it's the FINEST 186 AUTOMOTIVE METER it looks very much like the FLUKE METERS I just wondered if there is a connection between them
@KissAnalog 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for this great question! The Fine Instruments multimeters really did look great and well built - and actually a lot like a Fluke. I think UEi purchased them.
@Kyusoath 2 жыл бұрын
Will you be making a video about everyone that comments?
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
LOL ;) Nope, I am trying to respond to everyone still and it isn't easy.
@Lee-70ish 2 жыл бұрын
Flukes are good meters but tracing non electronic intermittent faults on wiring I have to say a good old analogue meter such as the AVO major is better. The Flukes sensitivity can be a problem in these situations with constantly bouncing readings. Hence many electrical field engineers are issued with a 150kohm shunt to put across the terminals to calm its readings down.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great feedback! That is very interesting! Meters like the Hioki allow you to choose the freq response to help and also the speed of the reading.
@Lee-70ish 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog We had a couple of Hioki for trial use but they were rejected as their manufacturers back up was not very good My personal favourite Fluke was the 289 as we could leave it recording readings for a week and then do analytical fault finding by linking the equipment data recordings of events with those of the Meters to narrow down the component or wiring path had a problem.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lee-70ish Thanks Lee! I’m surprised with your findings on the Hioki. Was it because they are in Japan? BTW my 289 is my least favorite Fluke as it is huge and eats batteries. Also I don’t want to pay the subscription for their logging app. I’d rather use one of the many meters out there at half the price and free apps for logging with much better battery usage.
@Lee-70ish 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog Fair enough KA. everyone has a favourite meter . I retired years ago but still have my AVO 8 mk7 and Fluke 177 I worked on UK rail so for them cost was never an issue We used the old flukeview software on desktop PCs as apps only became available later 4 meters on a single fault all recording separate events was quite common. Then overlaid the results and compared to our data logger software . One thing I will say the 289 was a tad more complicated to calibrate but we did have 25 grands worth of kit to do it. Ps bit late but hapoy Christmas and a better newyear.
@Antyelektronika 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, what you think about Aneng and more Chinese brands? :) thanks for this video
@GameProgrammer79 2 жыл бұрын
All Chinese comes with life time no warranty only OK quality sticker 🤣
@Antyelektronika 2 жыл бұрын
@@GameProgrammer79 Yes true, but some of them has impresive price to quality ratio :)
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
They seem to be one of the good Chinese brands. Popular and great value for the dollar. Great for the bench or for the glove box in your car.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
LOL, but I think they do come with a 1 year warranty - same as the lower cost Flukes that are made in China - I believe…
@Antyelektronika 2 жыл бұрын
Hah so Aneng is really a FLUKE killer :D
@billybbob18 2 жыл бұрын
I cant think of a single fluke meter I would use as a daily driver in hobby electronics. I do think they make the best professional meter. I deal with DC as a hobbyist and AC as an HVAC tech. At work i need to read microamps, capacitors and temperature with a clamp meter. Fluke would force me to carry 2 meters as I've seen before. UEI and Fieldpiece have the full feature set of just about any fluke multi plus dual k temp probes, DC microamps, capacitor meter and a clamp. Fluke is strictly an "electrician's meter", and probably the best for that purpose. Their build quality, safety and reparability are second to none.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Great feedback! Thank you! I have some other meters I’d recommend over the Fluke;)
@alien8r33d 2 жыл бұрын
The term 'Lifetime Warranty' usually means that the product will last as long as it lasts, whether that be 20 years or 20 minutes. It sounds good but means nothing.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
LOL thanks Mike!
@johndododoe1411 2 жыл бұрын
I recall a kitchen knife company that actually honored "lifetime of the customer", they were later bought by a competitor.
@sonyajones 2 жыл бұрын
Fluke does keep parts available over extended time periods for their meters, which can be a big plus! Fluke has pretty well also been the defacto standard for electricians and the oilfields. One last thing is that Fluke makes and sells certified calibration equipment for the large businesses and government, something almost nobody else does! Still using a Fluke 29, Fluke 89-V and a Fluke 865 on my bench. Great dependable meters!
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback Sonya! The oil field work is an excellent example where cost goes into making the meter safe in an explosive atmosphere!
@sonyajones 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog - I've seen very few meters designed or rated for explosive atmospheres. They were required for underground mines, however.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
@@sonyajones Thanks! I know this is a very specialized use.
@hussenali5912 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful vedio . can you make one for the best of those multimeter ( Proster Digital Multimeter 6000 Count TRMS Multimeter AC/DC Voltage ) ( ANENG Q1 ) ( AmazonCommercial 6000 Count Compact )
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! That's a great idea;)
@scorpnz4433 2 жыл бұрын
Unless there's a limited amount of supply across models then all your paying for is the name much like clothing i.e brands. Another point is where parts are sourced from & how many are in other branded meters. There's only so many companies that manufacture electronic parts which means you'll see them across differing brands & yes you will as tv's pc's,microwaves,fridges, etc, etc have the same parts & in some the only difference is the outside cosmetics. Fluke as far as i'm concerned have always been a rip off much as snap on. More so if your exchange rate ain't great As you mention fluke ain't the only meter out there & i'll put my old escort against one any day, including my mates escort which he bought from me 30 years ago. In the end they're all just a fraking meter's that are mass produced
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this feedback! LOL I think you are on to something!
@ac4nl 2 жыл бұрын
The Fluke 87 IV was replaced by the Fluke 187.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Well, it seemed like it was, but the 180 series should have replaced the 80 series, but instead it got dumped. The only reason I can see why was that it would have killed the 80 series. the 87V replaced the 87 IV;)
@FlowerPowerNZ 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I paid too much for my Fluke gear. I've gotten over that.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
LOL, I have too - kind of;) Now that I know better, I'll buy Hioki, Testo, Flir and Amprobe (which is owned by the same guys that own Fluke), and be happy using them with their better features and displays;)
@FlowerPowerNZ 2 жыл бұрын
@@KissAnalog I am looking into quality products made by sub-top brands. This is mainly on account of companies who are trading on their name while manufacturing in China. Fluke is not the worst offender and they still make some gear in the USA, but they could head there. I'm in the market for a scope right now and Keysight and Tektronix are blatant examples of this in action. So I am considering R&S who appear to manufacture at their own facility in Cezch Republic. Would be keen to hear any feedback on them.
@bassam.2023 2 жыл бұрын
@Kiss Analog Great response video!
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! I appreciate you!
@MrDoneboy 2 жыл бұрын
I own ONLY Fluke meters, because they are the best!
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Don! If you ever tried a Hioki you might just change your mind;)
@rednerdnecktech2474 2 жыл бұрын
I sure some of the cost is from insurance they carry. Can't sue a Chinese company. Still way over priced.
@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын
Also the Amprobe AM570 is a great option with many more features and great test leads and is also owned by the same company that owns Fluke.
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