Owon XDS3204AE Oscilloscope First Look

Owon XDS3204AE Oscilloscope First Look - a 14 bit Oscilloscope

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This video 'Owon XDS3204AE Oscilloscope First Look - a 14 bit Oscilloscope' I'll show what comes with this Oscilloscope, and then walk through menus and show how this scope works. It is a 4 channel 200 MHz Oscilloscope that is also capable of 14 bet vertical resolution. #OwonOscilloscope, #OwonXDS3204AE
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@krish2nasa 2 жыл бұрын

Informative, 14bit vertical resolution is awesome. Thank you very much.

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

You bet! Thank you for your feedback!

@sunuk1915 2 жыл бұрын

Wow very informative video abouts DSO 💝 THANK YOU FOR Expensive knowledge sharing 💞

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! I appreciate you!

@sunuk1915 2 жыл бұрын

@@KissAnalog welcome dear

@nikmilosevic1696 2 жыл бұрын

Glad to see they finally added the centering to the position rotary push (originally they didnt have it), sad they never added fine voltage control to the vertical rotary push. Looks like their UI still needs more work, especially regarding the lack of button functionality.

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks nik for the great feedback! I agree, the scope has great potential but could be made much better with improvements in the UI. Great price too;)

@nikmilosevic1696 2 жыл бұрын

@@KissAnalog Honestly for the money they are pretty good. Discovered Owon by buying an older SDS8102 with problems (AU$90 used). After repairing the SMPS it came good. Have been eyeballing the XDS2102A 12bit scope, if they have a special on pricing, to play with myself.

@Elektronik-1 2 жыл бұрын

I own an R&S RTB2002. Although it only has 10 bit, what you did at 17:32 looks much better on it. It is quite easy to achieve a high resolution by averaging. So does the Owon3204 really have a 12 bit or 14 bit ADC? According to the manual, the device can still do 500 MS/s in 12 bit mode. At this sampling rate, averaging is then no longer possible. How does the waveform look then?

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great feedback! I’ll have to spend more time with it and do a follow up video;)

@jstro-hobbytech 2 жыл бұрын

Cool video. I like how you took a chance on a top tier version of a low end brand. It makes my hantek look cheeseball will moldy fuzz on it haha. Joking aside, it looks like a great scope.

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Joey - I appreciate you!

@adaml52 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Eddie, I have the same Siglent sds1000x series, the same as yours, it's been around for about 6 years. The X-E version came out soon after I purchased it, alot of people waited, for this model, so maybe not as popular ? I've not had any problems with it, what bugs are you having, or is it GUI mods that you are looking for ?. Good video. Adam

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for asking Adam! I checked with Siglent and they didn't even know about the bug, but did confirm after I brought it up. I was hoping that they would fix it and then I'd do a video showing how great they are;) Anyway, they said that they don't support that anymore as it was replaced:( So I dropped it, but Now I realize it is my duty to do a short video to bring this out. Maybe they'll fix it if they get enough feedback to do so;)

@Psi117 2 жыл бұрын

You should use a long stilus or fixed focus, because when you try to point something on the screen scope, the camera focus on your hand and the scope screen became a little blurry. Very nice video. This kind of presentations I like to watch.

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip! I'll do that;)

@FordSeniorMaster 2 жыл бұрын

And lock your white balance and exposure as well. They keep "Auto Adjusting" during recording.

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

@@FordSeniorMaster Thank you!

@JasonLeaman 2 жыл бұрын

Good review. IMO if you want proper and good FFT its best to use a dedicated piece, One reason why I bought my QA401.Scopes just don't have the depth and power to do good FFT.

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks #Mr Leamerz! I agree, I tried to get a QA401, but they had part availability issues, so hopefully I'll get one soon. Most scopes only have 8bit A/D and they don't come close. The 14 bit does help a lot, but I think the 16 bit on my Pico actually does get very close to the QA:)

@JasonLeaman 2 жыл бұрын

@@KissAnalog You should look at possibly getting the QA402, new version. The QA401 isn't made any more..

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

@@JasonLeaman I tried but they are out of stock. One was shipped to me but the shipper said I didn’t respond to the card that they left. I never saw the card;(

@HVACGUY 2 жыл бұрын

I’d love a video of an affordable graphing power quality meter. If you already have one, can you leave a link?

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for asking! I do have the video linked here. I will do a follow up soon. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fcejqbpevJnacqs.html

@anssiw737 2 жыл бұрын

Like the big touch screen and 14 bit part, but not my dream scope. :) Have you ever tried the Visual Analyzer pc software? It's free and I just started testing it properly. I'm not so much interested about the scope part but the spectrum analyzer thru soundcard is cool if it works well!

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip! I looked into this software and found some others as well. I’ll have to spend more time checking them out. How is it working so far?

@anssiw737 2 жыл бұрын

There was a family situation, so i'll have to spend more time with the program soon when i can. But it seems to work well and heard good things about it. I have really good soundcard and I was thinking of making some kind of connection box, maby attentuator/buffer with bnc connectors of course..

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

@@anssiw737 I hope everything is ok. I’ll look into this too;)

@anssiw737 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for asking, things are getting better now. If you have time to check it out would be great to know what you think of it😉

@leohobbleohobb3781 2 жыл бұрын

Software REW have a nice soundcard calibration function to make it linear.Think it has spectrum etc also.And it is free. Many people with know how in field and know software like that praise it.I have it also it is great a wizard function.

@leohobbleohobb3781 2 жыл бұрын

Read that battery get destroyed after around a year on Owon.It was a bench model with 14 12 and 8 bit mode.Is there any more info on this?

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great question! I have not heard that and wasn't able to find any mention of it. I do understand that the battery is warrantied for 1 year (which is common) and the scope for 3 years (which is pretty good).

@leohobbleohobb3781 2 жыл бұрын

@@KissAnalog I will look up the article with criticism on battery life.It was not the warranty.Only a few days since i read it.I put a link to it in the comments. Thanks for reply.3 years for the scope is good.Here we have a warranty law that say if a product has a expected lifetime 5 year and more that over rule the factory warranty and they have to fix the product or give you a new or money back.Goes for smart phones tv.s etc also.So any oscilloscope sold here in reality have 5 years warranty.

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks- that’s great to know!!

@titojujuy 2 жыл бұрын

Me gusta tu canal. Voy a comprar mi primer osciloscopio. Cuál me recomiendas siglen 1202xe. Owon xds 3202e . saludos

@KissAnalog 8 ай бұрын

Great question. There's a new low cost scope that is worth looking at: www.amazon.com/Oscilloscope-Frequency-Vertical-Resolution-Waveform/dp/B0CGHQPWZ2/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1O97GO7FL1NU4&keywords=rigol+dho+oscilloscope&qid=1698425050&s=industrial&sprefix=rigol+dho+oscilloscope%2Cindustrial%2C106&sr=1-3&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.ac2169a1-b668-44b9-8bd0-5ec63b24bcb5

@TRONMAGNUM2099 2 жыл бұрын

Hey would it be possible for you to ask Pico to send you one of their more affordable models maybe a 2000 or 3000 series. I think that will fit in nicely with the home hobbyist market. Otherwise nice scope. It is honestly overkill for what I need.

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tron! I agree - this is for the serious lab where these specs are needed. Pico has been so great - I hate to ask them for another eval unit - they keep sending free units;) I was thinking of buying a low cost unit from them - they actually have some at very reasonable cost. As you point out, the 2000 and 3000 series are much more in line with many small labs:)

@NeverTalkToCops1 2 жыл бұрын

Using 14 bit resolution drops the sample rate down to 100m/s. This is for any channel 1 thru 4.

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great feedback! Do you have a scope with high bit resolution and if so what has your experience been?

@modorangeorge4991 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it uses a HMCAD1520 ADC

@examplerkey 2 жыл бұрын

I keep saying these are toys. Scopes that can't auto set its own AWG signal, decode properly, can't measure voltages accurately, doesn't even have a shield inside! There's a whole new level of signal conditioning in addition to I can program STM32 which is what these scopes are basically. I doubt they have a proper R&D team behind their products. Having said that, yes it works if your purpose is to see some wiggly lines on the screen. For that amount of money, one can easily get a used Tektronix TDS, TLA series equipment that are dead precise, serious and professional.

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this feedback. I think their FFT still needs work, but I need to take some serious measurements to see how it does. Have you been able to do this and found them to not hold up? BTW, I've never been a big fan of Tek's lower lines like the TDS and TLA. In the labs I worked in these were only used for basic test. Our development labs use the higher end Tek's. But they are $20k plus. The Pico is an excellent option - power at price.

@examplerkey 2 жыл бұрын

@@KissAnalog When TDS and TLA came out they were expensive too, but they have real usable bandwidth ranged from sub 100MHz to 8 or 10GHz! Some models probably just didn't have the FFT, but measurement wise, they were dead precise. I've seen them used in Photonics labs. If you take it apart, you see a whole new level of both analog and digital mastery (black art) inside unlike these toy scopes where the best part is the high speed op-amp in the front end section with/out the shielding! If it could be done this way, they wouldn't have done it that way. Of course the technology has improved and moved on since then, but if you hit the max square wave frequency of the AWG on these toy scopes, you get a sine wave! let alone other bugs and what have you. If I were the principle chief engineer, I wouldn't have given the green light to go ahead with the mass production because how can you sell something that doesn't or partially works? If you use its FFT to design your circuit, you'll soon get customer returns. There's a reason why a Vauxhall is cheaper than a Mercedes. You get my point.

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

@@examplerkey I’m still not sure about the Owen, I need more time with it. I really like the PicoScope and they do have the shielding and seem to work great. As a design engineer I use FFT as a rough tool just to prescreen for EMC issues. But I am using the FFT more now to analyze signals now. One problem I have with the expensive scopes is that their FFTs are set up for high frequencies where these lower cost scopes can also go to low frequencies which is very helpful. The expensive scopes actually charge more for the options that go lower in frequencies which is funny as the low frequencies don’t need the expensive stuff just different. But they only go a bit lower and not as low as these lower cost scopes. I think the lower cost scopes focus on what they can do well and still keep signal integrity. The PicoScope is fantastic and they do also have expensive scopes so they charge more for the high bandwidth, but lower bandwidth should be low cost. To use the car analogy, if you want to go fast you spend big bucks on a Lamborghini, but if you can’t open it up then you shouldn’t be charged crazy high price for a car that can only go half that speed, and most of us can’t go to those high speeds. But as technology changes and gets less expensive, they can do much of that circuitry inside a chip now so the expensive boards are gone. Now a Tesla can beat the Lamborghini off the line. I heard the Lamborghini CEO’s reply was our cars are fast enough, but they don’t charge less as they don’t need to.

2 жыл бұрын

14bit is great, but 1Gsps is more like 100MHz... Rigol 1054Z has 1Gsps too and is adveritsed as 50MHz with 100MHz option. I love OWON HDS mobile series, but with 250Msps it is 40MHz. Same here. Price should be lower accordingly.

@sunuk1915 2 жыл бұрын

Price range fact

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jan for this feedback! Actually it can be argued that 1GSa/s is fine for scopes up to 200 MHz and 2 channels, and 4 channels if you get 1GSa/s for each 2 channels. The theory part is that you need 2x samples per 1 cycle. Many scopes below a couple thousand use the 2.5x rule. And this talking Real Time sampling. I'd really like to test to the max bandwidth, but I don't really have anything that will go that fast;) I think I have another way to do it, so I'll have to look into it. This really brings up the question - what bandwidth do most people need? I think it is a lot slower than we might think. Lower cost scope back in the day were only 10 or 20MHz, these days we get 10x that for less money. I would love to try one of their mobile units. But, I don think the 14 bit is really cool;)

@AfzalKhan-su8fm 2 жыл бұрын

I m from Pakistan

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Great to hear from our friends in Pakistan!

@AfzalKhan-su8fm 2 жыл бұрын

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@modorangeorge4991 2 жыл бұрын

At 14 bit it has only 105 Msa/s, so no 200 Mhz on 14 bit, more like 50 MHz ( nyquist ) or less than that in practice. There is no 200 Mhz AND 14 bit in this scope. Just marketing bullshit.

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback! Yes, it might be confusing saying it is 200 MHz and 14 bits. But of course this would only happen with a scope costing 10x more. It is amazing that it can offer the 14 bit vertical resolution if you need it - which very few scopes can that cost less than $2000. And it can offer 200 MHz at 8MHz which is the normal spec. Yes, the marketing can be confusing - but it is still an amazing scope that it can offer 14 bits vertical resolution. What would be the next best solution - and what would it cost?

@modorangeorge4991 2 жыл бұрын

@@KissAnalog It uses HMCAD1520 as ADC which is not much more expensive than hmcad1511 standard 1Gs/s 8 bit ADC found in about every entry-level scope.

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

Wow - great to know. So, every scope could be improve much more for nothing - just using the better chips?? But then we come back to marketing. We need to show some graph or spec to show the max A/D vs BW?

@modorangeorge4991 2 жыл бұрын

14 bit alone means nothing if the frontend noise and offset is high. And I don't think this scope really has all it takes to take advantage of that 14 bit ADC. If it was that simple, everyone will have done that already. 14 bit means 16384 'steps' vs 256 'steps' in case of 8 bit.

@KissAnalog 2 жыл бұрын

I understand. I'd like to see work done in cleaning up the front end so that even if 10 bits became the new normal - it would be a huge improvement. I think many that buy the lower cost scopes don't ask for the higher bit rate, so the demand isn't there. Probably because the 8 bit just seems so standard.