This reminds me, you need to add Organized Chaos getting disappointed at MauLer not getting mad at America Chavez having two moms. He was so disappointed that he couldn't find out MauLer's politics and dismiss his criticisms on that basis, easily one of the funniest moments of the whole past year of EFAP

They avoid discussing politics, yet still get accusations of being right wing. Even though they made fun of No Bullshit and Synthetic Man. You really can't win with these people.

Wolf, please add their reaction to Obi-Wan hiding Princess Leia under his trenchcoat. That is comedy gold.

I am so grateful MauLer doesn't go into politics in any of his stuff. It's so exhausting to bring the team sports into everything.

*"Politics are distasteful... To me."* -Jigsaw Baggins

Three criteria: Blatancy, hostility, and meta commentary. Blatancy: How heavy handed are they? E.g. Is there a massive title card stating "She is the HERo we need!" Hostility: How aggressively are people put down to lift others up? E.g. She-Hulk needing to attack or put down Bruce to demonstrate her competency or ability. Meta commentary: What are cast and crew saying and is it actually representative of the material? E.g. A show has elements which are suspect and then this is confirmed in interview to have had underlying identity politic reasons for the changes made.

I don't blame people for wanting to know which way an influencer leans, but it's kinda shit that 50% of askers usually wanna dismiss or totally agree with a person based on Politics. It's interesting to see what viewpoints led to a particular video, but not worth the risk of being maligned by a particular base.

We need a supercut of everytime Rags gets drunk on stream

Thank you Wolf, for keeping me updated on Efap outside of the main channel you are and always have been a legend 🐺 🥛

“Politics is Distasteful!…To me.”

I appreciate having these highlights from non-EFAP streams featuring the guys. This was really interesting to listen to and I probably wouldn't have even known any of it got said if it wasn't posted here. I guess that just means the channel is serving its purpose perfectly. Politics do be cringe and it's a shame that "woke" has become such a vague and widely used term that no-one really understands anymore.

I can't blame people for jumping the gun with calling woke nowadays. Alot of people have been catfished too many times

Rags’s remembering so much of Rings of Power makes me hope he’s got a video cooking on it.

I recommend the Efap channel to my cousin and her friends. And the first thing they asked, is "Which way does he lean?". Then i thought , okay, i guess hes not for you if thats the forst thing you care about.

Rings of power is absolutely almost clearly Woke or at least extremely feminist. They replaced achievements of like 5 men with Galadriel. Pushed her into the story she was not supposed to be in.

I can never tell if Adam is just extremely sarcastic, or a midwit.

Thank you for this. Lack of focus on politics is exactly why MauLer has my longest KZfaq membership - I should probably get on Patreon at this point. Anyway, I ended my membership of several KZfaq channels around the summer of 2020 because I was not interested in the rants about politics - especially about American politics - because I went to those creators for an escape, not for more of the same nonsense for which I decided to stop watching broadcast/cable TV. EFAP was and continues to be one of the few oases in the desert.

I’m not sure I understand the comments on why Rings of Power wasn’t woke. Not only was the show taking major liberties with Tolkiens work, the marketing affirmed the creators didn’t care about upholding his vision. Have we already forgotten that absurd video of supposed fans of Tolkien reacting to the trailer? (Fans meaning obscure KZfaqrs whose channels focused on franchises other than Tolkien)

Just wanted to say, GREAT job choosing and editing these highlights

Even though its outside EFAP (technically) its great that you posted this, provides a broader context as to where the EFAP crew stands on certain topics. Good job. Politics is GHEY.

I don't know why I thought an EFAP highlights channel would have short videos 😂 ❤

I will say: Politics isn't cringe by any means. It's very important to be involved with the goings-on of your civilization, even (and perhaps especially) in regards to media because it influences people; however, sometimes I have no interest in watching political things. Sometimes, I just want to get away from all of that and enjoy myself, and that's why I love EFAP so much.

This is fantastic! Had no idea this happened. Thanks for sharing and glad i subbed! May i recommend bringing up this new awesome channel at the beginning of EFAP and not at the very end of a 7 hour stream :P

I believe that if you put a drop of wine in shit, it's still shit, but if you drop a piece of shit in wine, I would absolutely refuse to drink it. It feels like nowadays they're introducing small fragments of shit gradually and people consume it like it's pure wine, unknowingly or not.

I really enjoy watching everyone in this corner of the internet, but the fact that EFAP truly focuses on the writing compared to politics is why this is my favorite podcast.

Every time Adam and the EFAP crew are forced to interact it makes me so happy how much smarter my lovely EFAPers are. Sitch is alright, but Adam tries to cover up his lack of eloquence by being funny (and he’s not funny). I guess that’s why it’s called The Sitch and Adam Show.

I like these longer cuts, makes the workday go by faster

Hello Mr. Wolf. Thank you for your work here. I specifically like these clips from outside of EFAP because I don't have time to follow much of anything beyond EFAP and occasional Open Bar and Real BBC.

Great video Wolf and this channel was a great idea. I dont know if this is something you'd have planned but a batwoman highlight supercut would be goated!

Woah! A non-EFAP clip! Expanding the official channel lore. Nice. I'm sure it's more work, but I'd like to see more EFAP crew on other channels highlights. As time permits. When there's nothing else going on.

I love how "EFAP highlights" is an hour long

I wish Fringy would answer questions that he’s asked instead of trying to redirect questions to make a point he wants to make just to “not be polítical” which is why it seems political

This is a really great video!

'Politics' have tainted everything at this point. I hope Mauler keeps staying as far away from that shit as possible. I just wanna hear about movies

Good stuff, brothers. We don't need specific biases affecting your critiques. You always stay objective, politics would only muddy that.

Did Dead Space need a remake when the original still plays perfectly fine? I can be more forgiving with re4 remake because that was on previous generation and changed the gameplay more. I guess there was money to be made with brand recognition, i just wish the game companies remade games that haven't aged gracefully. Like Resident Evil Code veronica: The good edition.

Hey Wolf! Great work on these. If it hasn't been suggested, would love to see the convo between the hosts and Tonald from EFAP 100(Part 2 I think). Really wholesome memory from the show. Thanks, you massive.

Mind if I suggest add a blurb at the end promoting the podcast like S&A does with their own clips

Efap crew completely reasonable as ever. Sitch and Adam unfortunately are completely disingenuous hacks, I used to watch them very regularly. Look at their interactions with Dave the Distributist and Academic Agents re-upload of his demolition of their response to his video. Dave would actually be a brilliant person to get on to Efap if he would come on.

When you talk about strong women written as characters, literally every woman we see in Atlantis can hold her own and has a full personality each in their own

Great talk!

41:11 to touch on the Mario movie I thought it was incredibly blatant when the toads asked peach who Mario was and she replies “he’s… not important!” He literally is the reason this movie was able to be made and a gaming icon that defined platformers as we know them. Just something that really rubbed me the wrong way

Based and Jeb pilled

The fact that Rags mentioned Akeema from Titan A.E. really brought me back, that movie was one of my favorites from childhood!

weird they don't mention the poster changes and bathroom woke stuff in dead space remake and focused on the hot lady. or the sweet baby stuff on ragnarok

Poor Fringo, can't get a thought out without being interrupted.

39:45 I remember I accidentally went to a 3d showing of one of the movies I can't even remember which one maybe Civil War and one of the only things that was 3d consistently in every shot was Scar Jo's brapper.

I'd love to see the EFAP reaction to the Star Wars Adventures episode of Leia. It's a deep cut, but it was one of my favorite reactions.

"What's the point of women in fiction otherwise?" What's even the point of modern women in real life?

Their criticism of the backlash is extremely disingenuous. They're doing exactly what they laugh at when people strawman them. It's plain hypocricy.

I would recommend clarifying terms, because a lot of people would easily define “Woke” as being a set of ideology, usually pro-social by intention, that directly results in a worse work. However, I don’t think that’s fair. That may be how it’s more frequently used, but you could absolutely have creative decisions influenced by “woke” ideology, and the creative work is still great. I think it was Drinker or Mauler who said, someone in the writing room for Arcane, for example, could have wanted a gay couple as a part of the leads simply because they wanted representation. If the idea stopped there, then you’d be left with nothing but a pro-social intention and no characters, but they didn’t. They wrote characters, and really good ones at that. I’d admit that so much of the recent media we’ve been looking at has been terrible, and has also had so called “woke” ideology. But these two are separate elements to writing that I feel have been conflated, in no small part to pretty obnoxious statements from the creatives involved. As well as that, you have examples where this kind of approach absolutely ruins the story. The example that is so stark is Dr Strange and Wandavision. That decision to have Steven not appear just because he was a guy is very cut and dry. There’s an entirely different discussion about what ideology is being implemented and whether or not you have a problem with that, irrespective of the quality of the work. If you are against a certain perspective being pushed, I don’t think you’re going to appreciate the quality of the work in spite of that. Given how annoying this conversation can get, EFAP is the best for just calling a spade a spade. If a director says something broadly prejudice in relation to their film like the Dr Strange quote, EFAP will cringe at it, because they have the pretty agreeable perspective that prejudice comments in general are cringe especially if it hurts the story. However, EFAP ain’t gonna see a gay character and say something is woke, or jump to conclusions about an actress being used to reprise a role while being a bit older. The Spider-man 2 topic was fun and I would like to hear more from Fringy on that because I don’t think the story is good, and some of the quotes regarding the direction of the game seem a little suspicious. However, there are reasonable explanations for the creative decisions that don’t involve “wokeness”. Whether that’s the case or not, some of the gameplay in that game is horrendously underdeveloped and it seems to be the result of a director just ignoring pretty good faith criticism of the first game and misplacing dev time. EFAP is always as best faith as they can be looking at this stuff, and that’s why I hold their criticism in high regard.

EFAP is very political and religious, just not in the traditional sense.

Great discussion. Many good points were made and now I've got stuff to think about.

32:34 - _TITAN: A.E. MENTIONED_

Their lack of willingness to express outright politics and judge something based solely off of its artistic and compositional merit is why I respect MauLer, Fringy, and Rags so much. Seriously, it's such a breath of fresh air, even in the spheres they're a part of, for them to take a step back and analyze something purely off of how good a thing is or not. Media can adhere to my own worldview or criticize it all it wants, but if it's bland, boring, or completely disorganized and poorly executed then I could not care less about it. MauLer and EFAP are the best discoveries I've made on this site and I hope they continue like they have been for a long time to come. God knows the world needs it.

I remember the main complaint about Dead Space was they changed the bathrooms

Need to a clip from EFAP 17 with when wolf says he firmly believes Ackbar is still alive and Rags starts to sing Ocean man its at 2.17.45

The thing I appreciate most about EFAP, and MauLer especially, is that I can always count on a fresh perspective with insight behind it instead of the everyday typical political talking points, which gets old really fast.

I applaud the EFAP guys for trying to just talk about movies. There are a small number of books/movies which exist to explore a "what if" political scenario, but they are rare. In most works you don't notice the politics unless its very heavy handed, and if you do you either agree or disagree, but that's it.

I said it once and I will say it as many imes as needed to get a point across, Nicole age is CRUCIAL in Aizek's motivation and guilt trip. Hm being older guy that advised his girlfirend to take a position on Ishimura that led to her endangerement - is heavy weight that constantly pushes him down into depression and feeling of guilt throughout the game. Her suddenly becoming twice his age totally obiterates that psychological dynamic. Now Nicole is a strong independant woman that influence others to do as she says, which, unfortinatly, detracts from tragedy of her death. Also, there's a bit about her medical position - once again, her being young medic that gets overwhelmed by the horrors that surround her is leagues better motivation for her eventual suicide than an older eperienced medic going through the same journey. All in all, they wrecked Nicole and fans are justified in being outraged.

Speaking of Dead Space, why was so much of the in-game art changed to swap white dudes to black or Asian men and women? If it's such an inconsequential change, why did the devs bother to change it?

Thank you to Longman, Rags and Fringy for not talking politics. Politics Ruins Everything! Keep it long

this increased my respect for mauler even more

Funny how this has aged. Now the ugly characters in games are more blatant aren't they? We all agree the de-beautification is a thing now.

No offense to your long format but having the topics broken down into pieces like this makes it so much easier to consume. Keep up the great work.

Every Frame A Politics

They touch upon politics. They hold political opinions & beliefs. However, They do not cover politics.

38:00 Archane is not woke at all, because the female characters aren't flawless overpowered girl bosses, that do not grow and have not arc. On the contrary, I would say, that Archane is a good example, that you can write a story with a female lead without being Woke at all.

Didn't care for Arcane having the gay in it

Rags infinitely disappoints me with his taste in women.

Adam is arrogant and snooty to the point its hard to listen to him love the sound of his own voice

Some actually well-written female characters are pretty much most female characters from A Song of Ice and Fire and most of Brandon Sanderson's books (Vin from Mistborn Era 1, Navani from Stormlight Archives, and Steris from Mistborn Era 2)

This "dead space remake isn't woke" argument never really sat right with me. The original had male and female bathrooms, them being made shared sex was not done because of 'efficiency on a spaceship', it was done because of trans nonsense. That's the problem with 'woke' it's subversive crap that gets snuck in. Now we can say it's not hyperwoke and complaining and muh hetronormative cis white men constantly, but denying the stuff that is there at all is ....icky.

I mean I never thought nicole was uglier in remake. I always said the actress was too old to portray late 30's character. No matter how good she looks for her age she aint foolin anyone as 39 year old.

I do find that Rags is a bit too lax with the intrusion of politics and what would be considered wokeness in video games, so long as it doesn't affect him too much. A great example is BG3 and Starfield's pronouns system, which is objectively something that spawned because of wokeness. Yet, any time it was criticized, Rags would always shut people down and tell them it doesn't matter. These conversations happened regularly in his Discord server, which I was a part of for some time. For an issue that doesn't matter all that much, he sure does seem to care a lot that people don't like the pronouns being intruded into the game.

Hello Wolf

Woke is... when bad ... but woke and good.?. Good but not woke ? 37:55

I never understood the claims made by Organized Chaos, Pillar of Garbage, or the YMS/Sardonicast fanbase that EFAP is this crazy, ultra far-right, “reactionary” podcast. They have people on there from all different political perspectives, from Destiny, to the Critical Drinker, to Nerdrotic, to The Right Opinion, and to Jay Exci. Not to mention, while EFAP may criticize forced woke messaging in movies and make fun of left-wing people like Hasan Piker, Quinton Reviews, and Moviebob, they also criticize people on the right like No Bullshit, Synthetic Man, and sort of Ben Shapiro for his bad movie reviews.

Hearing that Mauler's icon gives off Nazi vibes makes me want a Hellboy edit with Mauler as the weird gas mask assassin guy

Thanks Wolf, appriciate the effort! 👍

Adam is horrendously cringe

I really appreciate the skill to comunicate these people possess.

Rags: "We cover Madea" Me: ... EFAP Movies of all Madea movies?

Unfortunately the pro Dead Space argument just lapses into the, "This stuff doesn't matter. You're basically an incel for pointing this out." type of argument. No one who defends these games can make a case other than to ignore it. "You're stupid for pointing that out, it doesn't matter just ignore it." The fact is cultural shifts have pushed developers to uglify their characters over the last 10+ years. Now you might think this is a good thing, a bad thing, or have no opinion, but when people point out that this is happening, a deluge of, "Well it doesn't matter, what about the graphics." isn't really interesting or helpful for a public discussion. The people who complain about this trend have even more of a point when it's a remake that had a previously attractive character made less attractive in the remake version. If Dead Space (2023) was released in a vacuum evaluating the hotness of the main characters would be different than what actually happened; the fact that it's a remake that had the character likenesses changed to appeal to cultural norms that are held by an incredibly small minority of the population. I think it's more than fair to point this out what is being done in a lot of these modern titles and in the case of a remake, it's conceivable that someone could ding some fraction of the points off the final score for something like this, as it isn't faithful to the original and isn't a change that meaningfully improves the game in any way. I really anticipated the EFAP guys would have a more mature and nuanced point about a subject like this other than "Lol incel."

Rags is a shiba inu right?

mauler does look a bit like kroenen

First of all aren't most of you not from the land of Elephants and Donkeys?

I agree that toning down the attractiveness of women or any character from previous iterations is woke. That is a conscious choice to bend to cancel pigs who want that to happen. If the sfory needs them to be a certain look, the story needs to justify that.

I don't understand this obsession with having to make EVERYTHING political. Why?? If you want a Big Mac, you don't go to a four star restaurant. You go to McDonald's. If you want politics, go to a political channel. There's probably thousands of them. Leave this one as is.

I love Efap, but I have a seething hatred for their dismissal of players actual concerns about Dead Space. If the remake wants to make these changes from an already established game, it is the players right to notice and form opinions on them. I don't care if they are small changes, they are clearly noticeable, and people noticed them. Plus the change to "Fuck this Ship" is a more clear example of "Woke" infiltration. It made the game worse, because it immediately ruins the immersion, even for a brief moment. A cardinal sin for a horror game, especially as good as the remake is.

I am here to churn as requested.

I can accept the idea that Dead Space has a few odd decisions but isn't necessarily "woke" but Spiderman 2 1000% is. That game in many ways is one giant Virtue Signal Making Mary Jane playable again when people hated her missions, giving her a tazer, claiming that makes her stronger exponentially than both Spidermen without any actual explanation, and having her take out a criminal syndicate full of elite warriors because girl power even though she's supposed to be just a reporter (a writer that looks like the writer and nothing like the actress they supposedly based her on) . Having a section where you play as a deaf girl spraying trans graffiti just cause, random meaningless missions where you help a gay guy hook up and that's literally the whole mission. Random giant BLM and pride flags in the game (except i the middle eastern version obvs) Peter getting unceremoniously shoved out the door and retiring in his early 20s to fight climate change or some bs and saying that Miles is "the real spiderman" or whatever and constantly apologizing for atuff that literally isn't his fault. Randomly making Black cat a Lesbian and making that a big deal for like five seconds. Etc

Woke mario red eyes lazer eyes mario tazer face mario

9:30 37:50

Is asking people a semi serious question and then constantly interrupting to tell unbearably unfunny sarcastic jokes just that guys thing or what? Like you don’t have to be completely serious but my god.

But why does Fringy not like Adam??

Politics are for politicians, and I ain't one.

I have no care about where they individually sit on the political “scale”, their sexualities, personal biases, etc. I do find it funny though, just because of how critical they can be of other creators and artists personal choices and being self realized purveyors of common sense in a vast array of subjects, yet I can smell the fear when near of stepping foot on the cultural “battleground”, so to speak. This is neither good nor bad to me, to be clear. In fact I believe both choices are double edged swords. I don’t want them to discuss politics, but I don’t personally believe people should run from subjects either.

Funny how fans noticing they changed the model for Hammond doesn't get conflated for wanting to bang that character by Rags but Nicole does. Fence sitter alert.

With regards to Dead Space Remake's depiction of Nicole: 1) I don't think it's a valid argument, that to transpose voice/mocap actors into the game directly is a necessity, as if you cannot possibly ever tweak a character model to be different from the person playing them and still get the physical acting to read. Not only that, but just like character dialogue, character design speaks a lot about one of the participants in the story. That being said. 2) I had to look this up myself, as someone who knows (mostly) fuck-all about Dead Space, but the Remake's model of Nicole is much more in line with her depiction in Dead Space 2, where character models are much more 'realistic' and proportional, compared to how humans are slightly more cartoonish/stylized in the original game (yes, breast size included). THIS is the point that should've been utilized from the get-go, not just to dismiss people as horndogs or perpetual online gamer chuds or whatever, and I was disappointed that the EFAP coverage of the game failed to point this out, rather than to be as needlessly confrontational towards the chatters that were bringing this up (whether it was out of genuine concern or because of woke tisms). It devolved into a pointless handwaving about mocap actors aging and Rags liking small tits more, instead of trying to assure those who were questioning the design choices (at least regarding Nicole) that, if they wanted to have a problem with this matter, they should then have a problem with the direction taken in Dead Space 2. Even if I were to go all Pastor on the subject, to just broad-brush paint over any EA-involved production, to claim EA is one of the biggest games companies and also one where they heavily pushed for a lot of ideological nonsense in their games for the past decade, I very much doubt that in this instance, it was done out of political choices or ESA bullshit as it's often said.