Yeah i feel it makes me contemplate reality as a whole

Kind of a shame though. In heroic tales such as Lord of the Rings, you basically defeat darkness by giving it substance, by acknowledging it, and giving it value. Essentially, to become a hero, you must engulf and justify evil and the villain. It is not easy. This is the very concept that makes life not worth it for me.

I think there's a good and bad side of this. If it makes it easier for you to emotionally accept your current situation then that's probably a good thing. But I think it becomes damaging when people just give up completely, blame external circumstances and shut down anyone that tries to be positive (in other words, the black pill community). Maybe I'm stating the obvious now, but still needs to be said.

Read the tao te king. That philosopht resssembles this a lot. Daoism abd emil cioran are my faves. They made me realize i dobt have to overexploit myself to validate myself❤️. We dont have to suffer to be worthy

Darth vader

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If we confront the utter meaninglessness of life, and face the utmost ugliness and disorientation of the universe, how then will it make us affirmed of life? I don't really have much knowledge about philosophy but these nihilist schools of thought baffles me. Even if life is meaningless, that too shouldn't concern us at all. We'll keep doing whatever we're doing, we'll always try to minimise our suffering and pain, in whatever way we can. The necessity is to recognise ourselves as one united species, and try to reduce the disorientation by sort of coherence. That's all that matters. Life meaningful or not, there's nothing we can do much, except developing ourselves, individually and as a race.

@@abraxas_x You're confusing cause and effect. Nihilism did not grow in a vacuum. It's not like it's a proposed solution to all of life's problems. It's a mere reaction to human's constant striving for meaning, for purpose, for truth. This is as fundamental as breathing in oxygen. If it's as simple as telling humans "life meaningful or not, keep developing yourselves" that would be a wonderful, almost perfect world. But you realize that's not how human minds work, that's not how life works, so nihilism (and all philosophy) is borne as a result.

​@abraxas_x The beautiful thing about life having no inherent meaning is that we each of us can give it mean. We decide to meaning to our live. To me that is better than predestined life. It is more freeing.

Suffering is beauty but for those who, after suffering, have a girlfriend, a group of friends, 50,000 followers on Instagram, a pretty face and money.

They tell you that you’re too negative, too pessimistic and don’t believe in God., because if you believe in God some say , then all your needs will be taken care of, God will provide., except God does not provide for the billions of people at least 2 billion people around the globe who live in poverty, hunger and war., because whoever God is has given humanity enough resources to make life on earth good for all, but as long as we have humans who hoard billions of dollars in wealth then you will have people who live in poverty and hunger and misery. But that doesn’t seem to be something a lot of people want for knowledge. They start to tell you these new age stories of how you need to change your vibration and how you can then “ attract” people and money to your life, which seldomly works. Religions people tell you to pray to God and that God will provide but again they don’t say anything about where would that money and resources come from? Then if you tell them that life is suffering and that you are not guaranteed anything but suffering in many cases they again tell you that you are too negative and that you need to change your thinking.

Thank you for putting something I've thought for a while so succinctly. I find these people so draining. I also find their reluctance to discuss or even acknowledge the darker sides of life as quite cowardly.

@@BlueskyDenver Doesn't matter if you're negative or pessimistic if you can't fathom the fact God has evil tendencies. Stop reading what fairy tale believers spout. God created man in His image, and look what some men are capable of. In Orthodox religions suffering is usually seen as grace from God and a good thing because it releases the shackles of your corporal being as you reach for something beyond in agony. Humans play God once they have children, they have total dominion over the innocent and vulnerable beings and look what some people choose to do to their children. Get over yourself.,

​@@somerled5513True, it's funny knowing how some comments on this video straight up disregard Cioran's philosophy and invoke their religion, blind optimism or stoicism. Did they even try to engage with the subject?

THANK YOU! for saying boldly what we all know. Just an hour ago, I was opening up to a friend on how I have surrounded myself with people I am not in the samr place with. And the response I got is 'I am a negative person' something I have heard countless times from people close to me.

Yes the love I have for my cats and pot plants are the only things that are keeping me alive - have to get up to feed and water them all - its true

I really believe there's even more reasons to be happy for you guys! Books, games, just walking, maybe family, we all will die anyway, and this moment while we here so amazing!!! Wish you the best, and glad you have reasons to breathe and be alive! 💙❤️

Yeah man it looks like my life❤

Look up Within Heaven's Gates by Rebecca Springer. Page 64 😇

Just live your life do what you love nobody know the meaning of life that's like living on the earth and wondering about mars has life or not.If people knew the meaning of their life they'd be disinterested or even scared these things kept a mystery for your own sake.

me too brother.well said

It is because your body knows. You don't know the truth, but atleast you are not fooled like others by which is not. To care. The desire, the body appreciates it, even if the deformities of existence are unacknowledged by an ignorant person.

For the lucky ones.

​@@Pet-rf6rhExactly! Someone recently said to me that I can't feel pleasure. I replied "imagine how rewarding life is for me..."

exactly why i roll my eyes when people talk about life being a gift.

@@thispersonrighthere9024It's still a gift but it's hardship is real

@@coleyod it's not a gift nor a curse. it just is.

Stoicism in a nutshell?

Taoism! Stoicism! Buddhism!

you can't let things go, they will always be a part of you, you just have to be okay with having such a part and your focus will no longer be stuck on it.

But the point wasn’t to end suffering but to embrace it since you’re never gonna have perfect days everyday. If you find out how to have a perfect day everyday 24/7, please let me know. Until then, suffering ain’t going no where.

@@rongikeI think what he meant was to let things go in the exact sense as you just explained. Being okay with suffering IS letting it go. Not the physical aspects of suffering but mentally you let go so YOU are not suffering despite the physical things that make you suffer STILL being there. I think that’s what letting go means and you just explained his point.

i think that he shy away like anyone, our battle with struggle of life is part of it and Cioran is not different, he taked advantage of his accademical life for escape the work force ad example

So beautifully written!

​@@andreag.6691he was a neet? based

@@glowiever ye an absolute neet, he taked an university office that never attended, just chilling around at the university taking advantage of free meals and accommodation ahaha that's no doubt that he had time to think, also because he suffered from insomnia

@@andreag.6691 I remember he had a female friend attending to his needs to. quite a lovely lady too at that

There's wonder working power in following Kingdom principles on giving and tithing. Hallelujah!

But then, how do you get all that in that period of time? What is it you do please, mind sharing?

It is the digital market. That's been the secret to this wealth transfer. A lot of folks in the US and abroad are getting so much from it, God has been good to my household Thank you Jesus

Big thanks to Ms. Chisty Fiore❤️✨💯May God bless Christy Fiore services,she have changed thousands of lives globally

How can I start this digital market, any guidelines and how can I reach out to her?

Realism for the win 🎉

You should try Nietzsche or Diogenes instead of Schopenhauer.

​@@tongobong1 Nietzsche and Schopenhauer complement each other pretty well and show different perspectives 👍

@@MRFLOPPYmr What are you talking about? Nietzsche totally rejected Schopi.

"As a philosophy, pessimism hardly needs a defense. If anything needs a defense, it is life itself. And there is no shortage of defenders; it is enough to take a walk around any bookstore to see that there are entire sections dedicated to positivism and self-help. Thousands of books and millions of words that seek to convince us that happiness is possible, that success and well-being are in our hands. That we have power. That we can achieve what we want. That we can succeed and we can win at life, because life is good and worth living. Look closely at what they tell us: life can be won. It seems to me that, without realizing it, these optimists do nothing more than confirm what every pessimist already knows: that life requires effort and that it is a constant struggle and sacrifice; that it is a contest, a confrontation, something that must be 'won', whatever that may entail. On this point, Schopenhauer's sentence is overwhelming: if life was designed for our happiness, then it was poorly designed, because everything in life seems to shout loudly: death, pain, illness, sacrifice and endless struggle." Ignacio Moya Arriagada

Exactly

@@TwoDudesPhilosophy I don't know if suffering is beautiful,or I just have Stockholm Syndrome and I don't wanna be delusional to myself

That’s fucking dumb

Stole the words from me. Take care of yourself

That's pretty stupid. Mainländer killed himself and two US antinatalists killed themselves in December last year.

Sadly, a lot of our words have no literal translation in English, it gets a lot more deep and depressing. Most Romanians can't digest him, he is too dark to be read. You see, being from the Eastern Europe, we enjoyed many different opportunities through time to invent a lot of new words for suffering, pain and desperation. Other Europeans weren't so lucky, they were busy inventing cars and living happy lives... Losers!

Suffering is not grace. Suffering is pain.

He was an excellent speaker and provides a lot of gems through his writing and talks.

​@@Quarce1u dont say...

@@RTGPrince nah I’m just blowing smoke

Suffering is unavoidable and inevitable.

That’s fucking stupid

what we resist persists

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Why is suffering real but happiness is not? We know just from simple neurochemistry that feeling good is the primary reason we do anything, if eating food didnt make you feel good or alienate the pain of an empty stomach you wouldnt do it. Is eating food stagnation? breathing? sex? socializing? But getting hit by a bus isn't?

@@nateb4485 I mean, suffering comes from things that happens in the objective reality, like hungry from the lack of food in your stomach and it will motivate you to eat, but happiness is just a state of spirit that comes after you get rid of suffering. I mean, generally the happiness we pursue is kind of like a dream, with value in itself and for that reason, not so useful in the process of mental evolving maybe. This is just an interpretation, I think I'm more like making poetry here than philosophy, or even less science hahaha. Have a good day!

⁠@@_Akhilleus_Suffering doesn’t only come from objective reality; I’d argue that the most painful and constant human suffering comes from our internal model of reality, especially our synthetic vision of the future which is the source of despair and anxiety. There is a reason ‘mindfulness’ is taught to treat depression; the present moment is almost never as unpleasant to experience as the imagined future. Right now I am in a warm house with a full stomach, a sleeping cat at my feet and I am still suffering because I struggle to prevent myself from simultaneously experiencing the humiliation and deprivation of an imaginary future as well as experiencing the regret and embarrassment of a remembered past.

@@leejerrett8268 yeah, that's also the interpretation of the stoics, right? That suffering is optional, they teach us to avoid emotional feelings while trying to be always rational about every experience and decisions we make. They were the philosophers of rationality, they put reason as the most important thing for the path of a wise person.

Don’t worry, you’ve been dead before. Remember how it was before you were born? That’s what it will be like after we’re done here, no memories will be left.

Very well said

Don't say "life", say "your life", handsome millionaires never suffer, it's only those of us who don't stand out who suffer.

So true.

This is beautifully said.

This is exactly what this video tells us. Just embrace despair so you may appreciate life more and fully. It liberates us from seeking happiness and pleasure, which ultimately makes us exhausted and unhappy ( or discontented )

It really seems as though stoicism is a coping mechanism.

We can't control our emotions because they depend on external factors (our body included).

​@@graceface420 it absolutely is... But realisticly, everything is a coping mechanism. Whatever you do in life, you do it to distract yourself from existencial dread. 😜

They were

I was gonna say the same thing :))))

If stoicism enables a person to get through life than it is justified. If I choose stoicism and as a result I don't suicide than it is valid. Life is nothing but suffering and absurd, the alternatives are to end it or endure it through what mechanisms work for you.

@@Pet-rf6rh yes, I agree ultimately. Later in the video, he highlights this, too. I need to keep my tools sharp.

I kind of stole that from them... love that song 😅

seriously ? He is the most famous Romanian Philosopher.

This is blatantly ridiculous; like saying you're not educated at all. De Eminescu sau Eliade ai auzit? der Clown🤡

I don't know what school you went to, but I've heard of him in a Romanian school.

I remember studying for the national exams and praying to God:" Not Cioran, please not Cioran, Eminescu, you name it but not Cioran"

Ai chiulit😂

I surely would

Some people may argue that your position of optimism is ignorant of the world, but I think, if it truly fulfills you and gives you peace, it is right for you.

So the non-seeking of a goal then becomes the goal and the meaning and sharing this worldview with others, as much as possible, then is a meaningful goal for you, otherwise you would choose an alternative path, it seems your worldview is based on a contradiction, but if it makes you happy, cheers.

@@maurices5954 no contradiction at all. It’s way more simple. To accept despair is to have no faith or belief in God.

@@DogeGaming55 absolutely. I innately do not settle for despair…it’s the kindling for addiction and destruction for me. My faith is a faith that works. But that’s for me. I wish it for everyone to find. I’m not expecting people to understand or agree. But certainly nothing ever worth fighting over

If you have enough relentless pain, you can’t escape suffering.

Both are inevitable.

It's worth it. Better to be authenticity you than trapped in relationships with people because you can't handle the truth

True

What about life for non-human animals? In your opinion?

What is osho

​@@matthiasthulman4058A dead cult leader.

@k-3402 oh cool, that helped so much. Thanks.