Election results: “Britain can feel proud of its politics today” | Election 2024

Election results: “Britain can feel proud of its politics today” | Election 2024 | the New Statesman

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Keir Starmer is Prime Minister. Labour have a huge majority. Welcome to a new Britain.
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After a dramatic general election in which Labour won a huge 412 seats and leading Conservatives lost their seats, Hannah Barnes, Rachel Cunliffe and Freddie Hayward dissect the results on the New Statesman podcast.
They explore what the gains mean for Labour, the impact of a large Reform UK vote, and the collapse of the SNP in Scotland. They also discuss the rise of the Green Party, who won a record four seats in Parliament.
Read more: Starmer’s victory speech was a display of humble realism - by Freddie Hayward
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@NewStatesman 4 күн бұрын

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@mrnsfranklin 4 күн бұрын

My hope is politics is boring and functional for the next 10+ years.

@flamboyentpromotions3471 4 күн бұрын

No chance

@buck6604 4 күн бұрын

If you find jealousy and hate boring, then yes it will.

@blauewaffel1469 4 күн бұрын

Putin and his trolls will be working hard to scupper that, we must be vigilant

@safebans1369 4 күн бұрын

My hope is that fundamental change will happen to the country to prevent a fascist revolution. With Keir Starmer, your hope has better chances than mine

@HellBot-gi5si 3 күн бұрын

That not the problem. The problem is the next "Black Swan" event is an Energy Crisis but most nations are not ready for it.

@dereks1264 4 күн бұрын

Truss has never taken personal responsibility for anything. She even blamed the queen for dying at an inconvenient time for Truss. The woman has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

@throwhammer 3 күн бұрын

She’s a total basket case.. she destroyed the tories

@MegaKapo12 3 күн бұрын

She is not real its like an empty vessel thr walks around with nothing inside, slogans and hand gestures nothing else.

@tzrgazza 3 күн бұрын

@@throwhammerand the economy

@nicennice 3 күн бұрын

Her losing a 26000 majority to Labour I found most redeeming. God the woman couldn't even be on time and kept everybody waiting. Good riddance.

@calumbishop7082 3 күн бұрын

Genuinely the worst Prime Minister ever, not just in terms of her short length, but also due to her incompetence and her lack of said redeeming qualities.

@CriminOllyBlog 4 күн бұрын

Just wanted to say how much I’ve enjoyed your election coverage- informative, reasonable opinions without unnecessary hyperbole

@NewStatesman 4 күн бұрын

Thank you, so glad you’ve enjoyed it

@user-td4do3op2d 3 күн бұрын

⁠@NewStatesman That sentence makes no sense. Please learn to use punctuation.

@inthefieldunderthesky 3 күн бұрын

Is it "reasonable" to adopt the Murdoch Press racist framing of nation-wide opposition to Israeli slaughter in Gaza as "the Muslim vote", or to vaguely cloak it as "the influence of foreign policy"? Or to criticise independents for standing, when they were ruthlessly purged for views approaching anything that Labour used to stand for?

@DavidWilliams-DSW558 3 күн бұрын

I really appreciate the balanced, unbiased opinions and perspectives of the New Statesman.

@carolthomas8528 4 күн бұрын

Rishi says he takes responsibility for the loss but that responsibility should go to Boris and Liz Truss .

@ianworley8169 4 күн бұрын

It should go to every damned one of them. If they didn't personally do it, they enabled and supported those that did, either by their actions or inactions. The most vile sequence of governments in modern history.

@KernowFishy 4 күн бұрын

He ran a hateful lying campaign and he was the exact opposite of what he promised ! It's also on him.

@adrianthoroughgood1191 4 күн бұрын

Never forget Eat Out to Help the Virus Out.

@nichobee 3 күн бұрын

It's the entire policy platform of the conservatives. The party attracts out of touch narcissists and they consequently make out of touch policies

@kanedNunable 3 күн бұрын

@@KernowFishy and he was chancellor for boris.

@MurphyOCP-001 4 күн бұрын

It still hasn’t sunk in for me, it’s like the end of a perpetual nightmare and I can’t believe it’s actually over

@firmbutton6485 4 күн бұрын

Just wait. It will continue.

@buck6604 4 күн бұрын

@@firmbutton6485 Only worse. The politics of jealousy and hate.

@trevaudio 4 күн бұрын

Farraige the only stain !

@kanedNunable 3 күн бұрын

@@buck6604 oh grow up. the rich wont get taxed still.

@IainFrame 3 күн бұрын

The nightmare isn't over. Just the end of the beginning.

@Jessjoe1956 4 күн бұрын

Just heard on another channel, there are no Tory seats in Oxfordshire, all either Labour, or Lib Dem.

@samturner8028 3 күн бұрын

Same in Greater Manchester!

@bawhitham 3 күн бұрын

Clearly, the UK has turned their backs on politics as entertainment. If the US can also do this, there might be hope; something all of us surely need.

@consideredwhisper 3 күн бұрын

I was standing at the Downing St gates most of the afternoon on Fri just because I was compelled to. I also felt proud again to be British, as if we had had something so unique and precious returned to us by this Labour win. I watched the new cabinet ministers enter on their way to the cabinet office to be given their new roles, all looking well, happy genuinely excited for what is to come - but with non of that smug distain we have had to bear for 14 yrs. A man was shouting all his conspiracy woes into a megaphone. Nobody was listening really, and a policeman stood fairly close by but had no intention of stopping him. Free speech (what a privilege!) and there was no threat of being arrested, for freedom of speech to be an arrest-able offence such as we have had. Fresh breath at last. I felt very proud of us, all our eccentricities and inventiveness. I fell in love with this country again and I wish us all the very best.

@juliegibson6614 4 күн бұрын

Such a relief to feel that at last we have people governing us that are principled and genuinely want to serve. With a fantastic leader at the helm. I feel in safe hands at last and I wish them all the very best.

@TheOfficialThundazz 4 күн бұрын

You must be joking

@buck6604 4 күн бұрын

@@TheOfficialThundazz She is looking at the tremendous job the left have done at destroying the United States. They are really good at what they do!

@totalvoid6234 4 күн бұрын

Wanna buy a bridge?

@buck6604 4 күн бұрын

@@TheOfficialThundazz she’s not. Jokes are funny, this is not.

@psyick9543 3 күн бұрын

How naive

@iactr3807 4 күн бұрын

There is a lot of be proud of today for the UK - we have not slumped to the disgusting, gutter, divisive behaviour of American politics. They displayed decent good sportsmanship and it’s what politics should be like. And thank god Rees-Mogg & Truss are finally gone; both of them the epitome of everything that was wrong with politics for the last 14 years.

@boxtradums0073 4 күн бұрын

Little changed for Scotland in reality seeing only one Scottish MP in the cabinet. Wrong minority is seems 🙄

@buck6604 4 күн бұрын

Welcome to the politics of jealousy and hate.

@HellBot-gi5si 3 күн бұрын

It not just that Tories and the SNP have totally collapsed. We seeing something like this With Russia and China they are crumbling internally and America is getting stronger with really with out doing anything.

@methanedirigible 3 күн бұрын

@@boxtradums0073 20 Cabinet ministers. Scotland’s population is 8.2% of the UK. That means 1.6/20. It does add up.

@Boghopper9999 3 күн бұрын

@@boxtradums0073which of the Scottish Labour MP's would you have put in the cabinet and in which role? Are they more or less likely to do better than the MP that has been appointed?

@DaleHanson-nw9yc 4 күн бұрын

Proud of Labour Government 🌹

@buck6604 4 күн бұрын

..and they haven't even started to destroy what's left of the country yet!

@WhitePride8383 3 күн бұрын

What for? They won with 38% of the vote. It’s the shallowest win in political history

@marvellis6762 4 күн бұрын

Return of adult grown up mature politics in No10 I like to think. Conservatives by name Corrupt by nature has finally been removed!!

@GeistInTheMachine 4 күн бұрын

Zero Conservative reps in Wales?! Hahaha.

@user-ol6rd7pl5t 4 күн бұрын

We're a Tory & Reform-Free zone in Wales.

@KernowFishy 4 күн бұрын

Or Kernow! Joyous!

@wanderingfool6312 4 күн бұрын

Living in the east of England I’d love to move to wales, but they’d probably not want me.😟

@matthewhendy5785 4 күн бұрын

@@user-ol6rd7pl5tThe Celts don't suffer fools gladly! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

@theotherstevesteve 3 күн бұрын

@@matthewhendy5785the Labour % of vote in Wales is almost identical to the total for Conservative and Reform combined at 37%; which 37% don't suffer fools gladly?

@mikepost6129 4 күн бұрын

No. Reform are not the true opposition. They have 4 seats. Are we going to buy into their grift. We have a FPP system. Reform will be the true opposition when it wins enough seats.

@buck6604 4 күн бұрын

@@mikepost6129 Correction, now five and counting.

@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar 4 күн бұрын

@@buck6604 Five for definite, Thurrock was the last seat to declare, apparently.

@novainvicta 4 күн бұрын

The first past the post system has failed Britain since WWII but hey go ahead and support failure.

@trevaudio 4 күн бұрын

Farraige can’t hide now, the scrutiny will be to much for him, he can’t handle it as been proved before. Get rid of him….no reform !! He won’t serve the full term anyway….he won’t handle being an irrelevant back bencher. He’s a narcissist

@methanedirigible 3 күн бұрын

@@buck6604 you’ve misunderstood the meaning of ‘and counting’ - which suggests there could be more.

@trevaudio 4 күн бұрын

Brilliant how Starmer and Lammy in contact with Dublin today, Irish prime minister invited over to number ten. The reset and mending of those close relationships the lunatics tried to break begins !

@user-ol6rd7pl5t 4 күн бұрын

The value of the £ has already gone up.

@totalvoid6234 4 күн бұрын

By less than 0.01 Euro.

@archie7218 3 күн бұрын

Lets be honest that had already been priced in. Everyone knew this was gonna happen.

@denniswinters3096 4 күн бұрын

The low turn-out may have in part been due to the much forecast certainty of a Labour victory, both with Labour voters and disillusioned Conservatives.

@MrBoboiscool 4 күн бұрын

No, it was tories not turning out homeless centrist tories who feel they have no representative party and labours disenchanted wing that got purged. The two main parties have essentially put of voters rather than appeal to 'broadchurch'. The myth of a foregone conclusion is hilarious, people literally WANT to vote for the winner, feel like their vote counts.

@buck6604 4 күн бұрын

There is no passion out there for Labour. Only hatred for failed Conservative implementation.

@buck6604 4 күн бұрын

@@denniswinters3096 or might be that Starmer reminds people of their local Asda supermarket manager?

@samturner8028 3 күн бұрын

@@buck6604in that case it would only affect Labour vote and the Tories wouldn't have crashed to 22%

@colincampbell4261 3 күн бұрын

Muslim Labour vote was down. Many Labour voters voted tactically. Many left Labour voters voted Green. Racist Labour voters voted Reform plc.

@novainvicta 4 күн бұрын

You have dismissed proportional representation but the fact remains Labour gained 34% of the vote for 64 % of the seats. They don’t represent 66% of the way the electorate voted yet New Statesmen think this is OK you’re out of step with the public.

@danielwebb8402 3 күн бұрын

Any other government would have been voted for by zero percent of the public. E.g. the German government was voted for by 0.0% of the public. It wasn't even on the ballot paper.

@ARTISTIC1991 2 күн бұрын

These people don’t care about democracy just an idea of democracy that best suited them. Just like Macron in France this is going to end in the Far Right surging to power!

@gringotom242 3 күн бұрын

"Liz Truss looked dazed and not with it at all" so normal then.

@matthewframpton8737 4 күн бұрын

Roll it on Kier! Don't let us down man! I am personally extremely excited for this era of UK revival.

@valuetraveler2026 4 күн бұрын

He hates the English

@robmarshall9026 4 күн бұрын

@@valuetraveler2026 Source or are you just blowing hot air as usual?

@matthewframpton8737 4 күн бұрын

@@valuetraveler2026 my friend. Please just take a step back and consider where/what has given you that impression. Is there a small chance it's from some media / people with an agenda to make you dislike him? He's an Englishman with a long career of public service.

@boxtradums0073 4 күн бұрын

@@valuetraveler2026with only one Scottish MP in the cabinet is clear who he truly hates.

@Jessjoe1956 4 күн бұрын

@@valuetraveler2026 What in heaven’s name would make you come out with such a nonsensical comment like that ? Take my advice and don’t be so bitter, you lost, get over it. 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹

@johnfitchie9892 4 күн бұрын

35% share of a 60% turnout, just over 9 million votes nothing to get to carried away with

@shabbydabbydo314 4 күн бұрын

Less votes for Labour than 2017 and 2019. It's much shallower victory than the selected narrative, we just just have a silly electoral system.

@Squarepeg57 3 күн бұрын

I think the point is that Labour and the Lib Dem’s used a strategy to win within the existing system that we have. If you think about it to do anything else would be crazy. I agree that FPTP isn’t the ideal democratic system but then each MP has won the majority of votes in their constituency, which is democratic. I could point out that when the Greens had only one MP they had had, I think, around a million votes and that the Lib Dem’s last time had a larger share of the popular vote but many many fewer MPs and there was no outcry of indignation about FPTP.

@Boghopper9999 3 күн бұрын

I was in favour of Proportional Representation last week and I'm still in favour of Proportional Representation this week. Better for democracy to ensure all voices are heard (even if that means we need to put up the odious ones)

@johnfitchie9892 3 күн бұрын

Only one vote in my lifetime has been truly democratic, the EU referendum, every vote cast carried equal weight & yet the progressive left did everything they could to try & ignore or overturn it, now we have a government with an overwhelming majority on a percentage of between 33 & 34 % which leaves the majority of people who voted with no voice & the same people who wanted to ignore the Brexit vote are ecstatic with the Labour victory, you have to admit there is a certain irony.

@user-cu5nw7kq5b 3 күн бұрын

@@johnfitchie9892 - You could apply that argument to the first EEC referendum that was won by a huge percentage in favour of joining. People have the right to change their minds, or challenge the outcome of any referendum, particularly in relevance to 2016, given the small margin of victory, and all the lies and misinformation. As to your criticism of FPTP, if you look at the 2019 election more people voted for anti-Brexit parties, but Johnson got in because of the system you're now criticising. That surely is the irony :) To be honest, I believe we should have proportional representation, but that to some extent is reflected in local elections, whereby a council could be held by one party, while the constituency MP is from another.

@markjlewis 4 күн бұрын

Thank you for your coverage over the last few months. I'll continue to "tune" in and look forward to hearing what you have to say about the new government, good or bad.

@NewStatesman 4 күн бұрын

Thank you. Do keep watching!

@davidbarrett590 4 күн бұрын

Whilst the change is so welcome, I am afraid I do not think that Britain can feel at all proud of a political system where a Government is elected with 65% of the seats in our parliament is elected by 35% of those who voted - in fact 20% of the people; likewise, I have no brief at all for Reform but that the 4 million people who voted for them should result in only 4 seats in parliament is very worrying, These are the hallmarks of a broken system that will never be able to serve our society properly and will only build up even more problems for the future. Such a distortion of democracy is not something to be proud of but something to be ashamed of. But thank you so much for all your excellent commentary and keep up the work!

@buck6604 4 күн бұрын

Don't worry, plans are afoot to right the electoral system.

@blackroseangel123 3 күн бұрын

Reform didn't play the game, that's it. Labour had a better strategy, they put the votes in the right place. Reform are never going to win if they think they can run a US style campaign. You have to deliver at a local level. It's not an injustice, they knew the rules and didn't deliver. If the rules were different, sure, maybe they do better. But if you move the goal posts, England with the Euros. It's just a dumb argument. Reform was playing basketball, when everyone else was playing football. The results would have been the same anyway, even if we had been playing basketball, because everyone else would have also been playing basketball. It's easy to claim you're the best when you have no competition 😂

@user-cu5nw7kq5b 3 күн бұрын

Yes, but Reform knew they could only take most of their votes from the Conservative Party. Moderate undecided voters would never vote for Reform, and as it transpired, tactically gave their votes to either Labour or the Lib Dems. It isn't really the electoral system's fault that Reform had a bad strategy in a FPTP system, moreover we've been living with misrepresentation for decades. More people voted against the Johnson government, than with it, in 2019. He still got an 80 seat majority. In 2017 May lost her majority, after asking the country to give her a mandate, getting an equal vote share with Corbyn. She still remained PM. The system would be better if the number of MPs you're allowed to send to Westminster is based upon the number of local councillors you have in each constituency. That would truly reflect the demographic on a local level. However, currently the Labour majority would be even higher.

@user-cu5nw7kq5b 3 күн бұрын

@@buck6604 - Really? What plans? I hope so ....

@adrianthoroughgood1191 4 күн бұрын

The LD did not win a disproportionate number of seats. They got 12.2% of the vote, which under PR would mean 79 seats. Under FPTP they got 71. They would still benefit from changing the voting system. It's likely that a lot of people voted tactically for Labour instead of LD (though some will have gone the other way too). I so look forward to the day when tactical voting is no longer necessary. I'm hoping for STV so we still have local MPs but we can vote for who we want without wasting out vote because our preferred option wasn't one of the top 2.

@danydany3974 4 күн бұрын

He needs 2 decades for renewal, not 1.

@John-se3fm 2 күн бұрын

A lot can happen in 10 years if motivation is there and luck

@joshuakelly7070 4 күн бұрын

Seeing some old faces who were in power back in 2010 coming back into number 10 almost made me cry. Ed Miliband in particular. I absolutely love it!

@Soapbox81 4 күн бұрын

Looks like having reconsidered, we've chosen chaos with Ed Milliband after all. Shame we didn't try it back in 2015

@denniswinters3096 4 күн бұрын

And if they do manage to accomplish what they set out to, then they need to make sure the British voters KNOW about it. Joe Biden has achieved much in the last four years, but doesn't seem to be able to get that news out to the average American voter.

@MrBoboiscool 4 күн бұрын

Dude... Biden has dementia no wonder he cant communicate.

@jaybee4288 3 күн бұрын

Biden is leaving almost everything worse than he found it though. Not saying that’s all on him but he didn’t improve anything.

@roguetrooper5401 4 күн бұрын

I have seen so many so called historic days in politics over my life none of which have lead to anything different.Britain can feel proud of its politics today is that supposed to be a joke a couple of throw away lines from two leaders and everything is roses give me a brake.almost half the country could not be bothered to vote , give labour a couple of years and everyone will be moaning about labour.

@buck6604 4 күн бұрын

Their front bench looks like the Bash Street kids with Kier as Walter the Softy.

@user-cu5nw7kq5b 3 күн бұрын

Half the country not being bothered to vote doesn't really detract from the result. If the apathetic had turned up the outcome might have been different, but that's democracy. Abstention is a voice in its own right, except you can't really complain if you didn't tick a box. Maybe not in your lifetime, but the Labour victory in 1945 gave us the NHS and the Welfare State. More recently, Thatcherism was a social revolution, love it or hate it. You might be right about Labour's ability to change or rebuild our society, but obviously those who did vote clearly sent a message that they couldn't stomach another 5 years of Tory control.

@roguetrooper5401 3 күн бұрын

@@user-cu5nw7kq5b You raise some good points the nhs was a great idea that sadly has become over worked bloated and not fit for purpose and I consider Margret Thatche as one of the best PM's we have had along with Disraeli. But to to call people apathetic for not voting if you are given the choice eg: death death or death pick one why bother when all I get is death either way exstream example I know but the point is valid I think the complaint is there was no box worth ticking. And a small percentage of the population voting for labour gives them victory and those who did note vote could not stomach another five years of conservative control either but there was not anything that looked to be an improvment so they stayed silentand that is not good for democracy.

@user-cu5nw7kq5b 3 күн бұрын

@@roguetrooper5401 - Thanks for your measured response. Personally I think it should be compulsory to vote, but with the right to abstain on the ballot paper. "Apathetic" was a bad choice of words on my part, but it's a General Election, and there were plenty of smaller parties, and independents, that had people voted for, might have delivered a real case for electoral change. However, I would guess had even 85% voted the outcome would have been the same.

@roguetrooper5401 3 күн бұрын

@@user-cu5nw7kq5b I agree the outcome would have been the same ,and that there should be the option to abstain on the ballot paper. A real plesure to debate with someone with common sense and the ability to hear other opinions and reply with a coherant and sensible answer your servant good sir.

@terencequinn2682 4 күн бұрын

As usual - completely misunderstanding Scotland.

@david030491 3 күн бұрын

This client journalism is a near impossible watch.

@1erkyrob2 4 күн бұрын

I am loving all the bitter losers online today. Get used to the next 5 years. You might learn how a Government is supposed to be run.

@totalvoid6234 4 күн бұрын

Step 1: Sell country to Blackrock Step 2: Enjoy sugar rush Step 3: Get out of the country as the cost rises to hundreds of billions.

@WhitePride8383 3 күн бұрын

They won with 38% of the vote, it’s the shallowest victory in political history. Keir actually got less votes than Corbyn. The is the weakest government of recent times. Plus we have David Lammy in cabinet, the man who famously said that if a trans woman takes enough hormones they can grow a cervix. That’s the kind of people now running the country.

@SuperSupermanX1999 4 күн бұрын

This election result will be analysed for years due to the amount that was going on. 1. The collapse of the Tories and SNP and rise of Reform. 2. Labour focusing their campaign on ruthlessly making their vote spread as efficient as possible, even at the expense of votes in safe seats, allowing them to win in more places even without increasing their overall national vote. They played a blinder there (helped along by the aforementioned collapse). 3. Lib Dems doing much the same thing as Labour but more narrowly focussed. 4. Green and pro Palestine candidates really eating into Labour strongholds, further exacerbating the vote losses they were tolerating in pursuit of the above and even costing some seats. 5. General voter apathy, and certainty of a Labour win, causing a drop in turnout. Overall imo this was absolutely a Tory loss first and foremost. However, I think people claiming Labour didn't do anything to win really, due to the national %, are missing the forest for the trees. They knew exactly what they needed to do to win and they did it (while neing helped along by events). They absolutely deserved to win big under the rules of the game. Now we need these rules to change so that this can't happen again and we can be more democratic in the future.

@rorykeegan1895 3 күн бұрын

Unfortunately I can't see PR getting a boost down at Labour HQ today ...

@jaybee4288 3 күн бұрын

Something interesting was how Labour simply ignored voters in places like Ely and St Neots. They fielded a candidate but didn’t even bother posting flyers. They basically gave those seats to the Lib Dem’s. As a voter in those areas I was left to feel Labour doesn’t care about me at all. I get that it was all tactics and they didn’t want to usurp the Lib Dem vote but Starmer basically gave Davey a bunch of seats he didn’t deserve. Let’s not forget reform got far more votes than Lib Dem’s. The liberals were only successful because there were so many areas that Labour simply didn’t try in at all. With all this in mind I think it’s fair to say most people were not voting to get Labour in but to get the Tories out. They quickly switched to Lib Dem in areas where Labour didn’t put in any effort, which would suggest that they’d then switch to reform or greens. I don’t think people believe in Labour, they were just the best vote to get rid of Tories, except in areas where they weren’t, and very few voted for them.

@SuperSupermanX1999 3 күн бұрын

@@jaybee4288 agreed Labour have been done a huge favour by the electorate and have to use their majority well to deliver in return now. Otherwise they could go the way of the Tories next time

@SuperSupermanX1999 3 күн бұрын

@rorykeegan1895 agreed, though the party itself is massively in favour at least. Plus the win is so big that I wouldn't be surprised at a swell of support for PR around the country once the honeymoon period has worn off

@abuyusufabdulhakim952 3 күн бұрын

You realise the 'efficiency' argument is just spin to explain the low vote for Starmer? It's not like Labour said "Let's let Reform take half the Tory vote and then we can win with the same amount of votes we got before".

@anthonywhite-wt9qx 4 күн бұрын

Our FPTP system can throw up lots of surprises. A 170 majority on 33% of the vote. Tories decimated, especially by a million or more voters switching to Reform.. A new start has begun and I'll keep awake from overseas to see how the next 4 years turn out...

@danielwebb8402 4 күн бұрын

It is a great system for voting out a party once they are tired. As in 97 and 2010. Has its pros as well as cons.

@adrianthoroughgood1191 4 күн бұрын

Labour got 600K fewer votes than last time and doubled their number of seats! They played the system like a fiddle.

@FreQ135 4 күн бұрын

*Sinn Fein got 7 seats from 210k votes.* *The Greens got 4 seats from 1.9m votes.* *Reform got 5 seats from 4.1m votes.* (!!) I'd prefer they switch to a ranked voting system (first choice, second choice, third, etc). Proportional Representation is better than FPTP, but it'll cause lots of other problems, such as regular stalemates.

@anthonywhite-wt9qx 2 күн бұрын

@@FreQ135 Reform remind me of what happened to SDP/LIB Alliance back in 83. 23 seats from 7.8m votes. lots of second places but few wins. Having said that the FPTP worked for the LiberalDemocrats this time. 72 seats from 12 percent. I'm looking forward to the Election survey. Always worth a read to the psephologists amongst others.

@jonh5032 4 күн бұрын

Lib Dems get about 12% of the vote and 11% of the seats - sounds pretty proportional to me 😊

@pablodelnorte9746 4 күн бұрын

Reform got more votes than them, and should have about 90 seats if this country was a proper democracy.

@tonymolloy6165 3 күн бұрын

Labour get about 34% of the votes and 64% of the seats, doesn't sound very proportional to me 😊

@Gordon.Pinkerton 3 күн бұрын

Reform got about 14% of the vote and less than 1% of the total number of seats in parliament. Doesn't sound pretty proportionate to me

@jaybee4288 3 күн бұрын

Lib Dem’s benefitted from Labour not caring about certain areas and leaving those to them. Let’s not forget most people didn’t vote to get someone in but to get the Tories out.

@bobbennett5013 3 күн бұрын

@@tonymolloy6165 You don't have a proportional system. You had the chance to move to preferential voting as in Australia but the country led by the Tories voted it down.

@lukeralphs-davies5795 2 күн бұрын

Correction here for Freddie - the Lib Dems' result is actually very proportionate to their vote share, having won ~12% of the popular vote and ~11% of seats. PR would, in fact, likely increase their seat number further!

@tomross4599 4 күн бұрын

26:54 The LibDems got 12 % of the vote and 11 % of seats. I really wouldn’t call that disproportionate.

@aidandesilva 3 күн бұрын

Reform got a higher % and 4 seats. Labour got 34%ish and more seats than others. Not sure if he was citing lib dem or labour? Overall seats won were not representative of actual votes.

@Etheral101 3 күн бұрын

I heard 80% of the electorate didn't vote Labour. How do they have so many seats.

@ryanmcnally7032 3 күн бұрын

Not 80%…65% of those who voted

@BobSmith-s7j Күн бұрын

Because Labour candidates got more votes than any other candidate in about two thirds of constituencies. That's how it works.

@Eltener123 4 күн бұрын

I think the only reason there was such a strong reaction to Gaza was because of the consensus between the main parties which existed for months and the fact that islamophobia has been a constant issue in both parties that neither have ever properly addressed. This isn't an excuse for any of the appalling behaviour but it's not hard to see why a Muslim Labour supporter might become very emotional and angry when Faiza Shaheen is deselected immediately after speaking about her experience of islamophobia in the Labour party. I think it's also been understated how many voters may have switched to the Lib Dems and Greens over the issue.

@nfa001 4 күн бұрын

by any non-factional assessment, Labour's treatment of a loyal candidate, Faiza Shaheen, was brutal and cynical. Of course, no surprise that the New Stateman's bunch of whitte centre-right journalists applaud such treatment of a left-wing woman of colour who isn't part of their tiny circle of social and economic privilege. This reached a nadir with the claim that Harriet Harman 'tore strips' from formal Labour members, now expelled, having the audacity to run against Labour for its failure to respond adequaltely on issue where tens of thousands of Gazans have been killed. The only one with some sense and integrity seems to be Freddie Hayward.

@CK-cz6ml 4 күн бұрын

Following from the US. Thanks for the wonderful coverage. Say hello to Andrew Marr!

@nolslifegren Күн бұрын

Aye ask him how the wife is ...

@echo9phpe Күн бұрын

The British can be proud of their political system, if only for the way in which it manages the change of government. You count the votes, then there are two visits with the king, and then the new Prime Minister starts governing. This is really the envy of the world. I say that as a German, knowing, of course, how lucky we still are with our own slow system of coalition building, compared to the world-shattering agonies produced by the US system. Compare Donald Trump's Big Lie and attempts to overthrow the election results with Rishi Sunak's farewell speech in which he praised the decent character of his successor. This was sufficient reason to believe in Britain's future. The fact that the extreme right is as strong in Britain now as the AfD in Germany (fake Reform UK and rightwing Tory extremists combined display the same political outlook as our extreme right) is of less importance than in Germany, not only because of our past and the special case of East Germany, but because Starmer seems to have been aware of this danger from the beginning whereas it took Scholz' Social Democrats far too long to take this danger seriously.

@amt439 4 күн бұрын

It was nice of all his aides and supporters to wave British, Welsh and Scottish flags. Shame Labour have resigned to losing the St George’s Cross to the far right. Not a single one, English or Ulster.

@boxtradums0073 4 күн бұрын

The Union Jack is the English flag and st Patrick’s flag is toxic due to England’s stoking of sectarianism 😉

@AlienatedNortherner 4 күн бұрын

No, it is not the flag of England.

@boxtradums0073 4 күн бұрын

@@AlienatedNortherner it most definitely is. There is only one cross that goes unbroken and forced on top of the other two, England’s. That flag has always been only about England and symbolism of dominance over the rest of us.

@m9017t 4 күн бұрын

@@boxtradums0073absolute rubbish, we love every country in this great nation

@boxtradums0073 4 күн бұрын

@@m9017t now that’s absolute nonsense ! If the English love every nation why did they put the army on the streets of Northern Ireland and then grant those who fired on peaceful protestors immunity ? That’s just one example in a 1000 years of history 😉. Symbolism matter and the symbology of the butchers apron is England’s unchecked power over the rest of us. An imperialist creation by a country that has been oppressing its neighbours for a millennia !

@lokiwun 4 күн бұрын

Thank you all. 👍

@NewStatesman 4 күн бұрын

Our pleasure!

@avtomad722 3 күн бұрын

You three! What a wonderful combination. A unanimous result for United Kingdom stating your stance, you have restored my respect. Be strong and be you, respect from me in Norway, you really can do it!

@jesuisjamaiscontent 4 күн бұрын

It was a great speech and I'm feeling much happier.

@njp100 4 күн бұрын

The reason Hunt has kept his seat is because he is a very effective local MP.

@trevaudio 4 күн бұрын

Not a bad thing to be fair

@Boghopper9999 3 күн бұрын

Not that bothered by reasonable and moderate Tory's retaining their seats; good for democracy to have a reasonable and effective opposition. The likes of Braverman on the other hand who just seek to divide and destroy things, I'll never understand the people who voted for them

@jaybee4288 3 күн бұрын

I saw an interview where a voter said they were torn because they didn’t like the Tory government and didn’t think he was a great chancellor but he saved their local pharmacy from closing and they were on first name terms with him. Understandable if they voted for him. From all accounts on a local level he was described in similar ways that people of Islington described Corbyn. I didn’t ever hear of my last mp doing anything locally unless it was a photo op. People will always vote for people who personally help them.

@rorykeegan1895 3 күн бұрын

@@Boghopper9999 Quite right ...

@abuyusufabdulhakim952 3 күн бұрын

This is quite dishonest. Labour got less votes than in 2017 and 2019, and lost seats in Wales. If the SNP hadn't collapsed, and if Reform hadn't targeted the Tories, this would look extremely different. Would they even have a majority?

@EthanZoid 4 күн бұрын

Oxford PPE only trains you for 5-7min lies for debates and pitches 😂

@MrBoboiscool 4 күн бұрын

Are you ok? You do realise that most of labours front bench also came through that system... Keir himself an oxford allum.

@danksheev66 3 күн бұрын

Wes Streeting better think again about privatising the NHS!

@emmajones7742 4 күн бұрын

So glad the tories have gone now, it's hard to believe and i hope they never return. Every five minutes there was chaos or some catastrophic episode, so it's good news from now on, hopefully.

@mrhobsonschoice 4 күн бұрын

At last - a common sense commentary.

@ndist8524 4 күн бұрын

Labour's victory has been extensive - but it is shallow.

@buck6604 4 күн бұрын

Only the most deluded are enthusiastically supporting them.

@bobbennett5013 3 күн бұрын

Add on the other elements of the Centre-Left and the victory is much more convincing.

@domm1341 3 күн бұрын

The only metric that matters is the number of seats won. And Labour won big!

@richierich7609 4 күн бұрын

You guys are the best UK political coverage of any kind. Love your broadcasts. Keep it up.

@NewStatesman 4 күн бұрын

Thanks very much!

@nolslifegren Күн бұрын

Blairite alert

@roberthudson3386 2 күн бұрын

Why should we be proud of our politics? Our new cabinet is full of people who support an American healthcare system, who have contempt for democracy, contempt for the poor, contempt for voters generally, it was elected on approximately 20% of the eligible electorate and doesn't want to make reforms to the voting system. It just wants to stay in power and alternate between reheated Blairism and the Tories. Many of this new cabinet served during Blair's period in government, they are the same people who supported war in Iraq and Afghanistan and PFIs in the NHS. This is not a cabinet to be proud of!

@seausblue125 4 күн бұрын

As a distant observer (with many UK ties), I agree this is a seismic development - long overdue. But it must be tempered by knowing that there is an entire population that had been feeling long-ignored and insignificant. So the honeymoon may be short - unless government is seen functioning properly again in relatively quick order.

@lesleypatriciajordison4890 4 күн бұрын

Obviously communities with big Moslem populations would be difficult for Labour, but they shouldn’t underestimate how much lots of other people are also not voting for Labour because of Gaza.

@ExMuslim-pr5ej 3 күн бұрын

But their voting can not change sitiation there. Mean while hard right is basically resurgent, in controls society

@jeremymanson1781 3 күн бұрын

Iran was pumping money in aiming to spread a false narrative about Labour and Gaza. Vicious and very nasty.

@PaulaTerryLancaster 3 күн бұрын

Most voters are most manifestly NOT pro-Hamas supporters!

@abuyusufabdulhakim952 3 күн бұрын

From what I remember, the lowest estimate I saw for Labour was 410 seats. They got 412, and less votes than Corbyn in 2017 and 2019 -even with friendly media. In spite of the collapse of the SNP and the rise of Reform, Labour performed at the lower end of expectations. Stop spinning this distorted outcome as 'efficiency', and do some actual analysis!

@nolslifegren Күн бұрын

They are cheer leaders not journalists

@danydany3974 4 күн бұрын

Solve housing for long-term support.

@jackoh991 3 күн бұрын

Ironically Sunaks resignation speech was the best quality speech he ever made imo

@donaldjones5386 3 күн бұрын

Congratulations! Very interesting and astute coverage. Here are three things I like most about your politics and elections: 1. Reasonable length of campaign, unlike our endless campaigns in the U.S. 2. PM answers questions all along on "PM Questions"; 3. Manifestos are a regular part of campaigns. I'm glad you discussed the potential disproportion between seats won and percentage of the electorate who voted for a particular party. That could advantage extremist candidates. Starmer a fine choice. Best wishes from Rochester, New York.

@marcsweeney5149 2 күн бұрын

I feel like as a country we lost sight and memory of what a government is actually meant to do. It's been all smoke and mirrors for such a long time, and I really hope that this is the start of a government that just gets on with the work, instead of looking to grab headlines constantly.

@jaisriram295 3 күн бұрын

Only 1 in 5 people voted for this Labour party...that is not a mandate

@brucetutton7897 4 күн бұрын

For a foreign observer, why is the New Statesman thankful (15:20) that George Galloway is no longer an MP?

@th8257 3 күн бұрын

Because he's a demagogue with a long history of stirring up trouble in areas with large Muslim populations and gaining a large part of the Muslim vote, winning a by-election and then completely failing to serve his constituents. He has done it three or four times now and has always lost the following election.

@ARTISTIC1991 2 күн бұрын

George Galloway is outside of the liberal establishment. He is a former Labour MP who rightly stood up and opposed the war in Iraq when liberals were cheering on the destabilising the middle east which led the rise of Isis.

@nolslifegren Күн бұрын

Because they aint left wing

@steveprior4720 4 күн бұрын

thanks for your content during the election I've loved it x

@ArtyFactual_Intelligence 4 күн бұрын

A weight off my shoulders.

@tanaunkok23 3 күн бұрын

Bless how lucky the UK is with a peaceful transfer of power. thank you Sunak in comparison to Suealla and Steve Baker speech 🎤

@matthardern1594 4 күн бұрын

After all the political craziness of the last few years - I agree that some sense of decentness has returned to our country’s politics - hope it continues. I have friends in Latin America and they so admire that side of who our country is! Let’s hope it continues

@Jaaj2009 4 күн бұрын

Labour standing against Faiza Shaheen was utterly disgraceful, to say she shouldn't have stood after dropping her is a joke. They would rather hand it to the Tories than have someone with principles in the seat. She was 100% correct to stand, her vote share said it all really.

@Gordon.Pinkerton 3 күн бұрын

The absolute gall of Harman to act like these independents are in the wrong for standing against the party that unceremoniously deselected them. As if they still owe some semblance of loyalty to the party!

@inthefieldunderthesky 3 күн бұрын

@@Gordon.Pinkerton Yes and the absolute gall of this New Statesman piece to cloak near 100,000 dead in Gaza as "the infuence of foreign policy" and as a "moderate position".

@jayz12366 4 күн бұрын

1:43 No kidding! 121 votes is a 99.99% vote collapse!

@rc55uk 4 күн бұрын

she's probably only had 3 hours sleep to be fair

@peterdavidson3268 4 күн бұрын

"Britain can feel proud of its politics today" Really - one party is backed by 33.7% of voters, yet wins 63.4% of seats contested. Whoever compiled that headline has a strange definition of democratic political discourse?

@jeremymanson1781 3 күн бұрын

The vast majority of people only think about politics one or two weeks before an election. In between time whoever is in government just needs to get on with the job and deliver for its citizens.

@neilprimrose8720 3 күн бұрын

Rachael's strategic view of election issues is really helpful.

@direnova6284 2 күн бұрын

I must admit that he's got off to a good start with his appointments, it shows that they're sincere in trying to get us out of this mess. I was not a fan of Starmer and he still has to win me over but the speech was actually quite convincing, he seemed genuine. Fingers crossed.

@stephenkerensky710 3 күн бұрын

Time for the media to cease & desist from discussing the general election as a presidential contest. It isn`t. We vote for a party. So if a PM dies, falls ill or goes mad (a short journey for some) we get a quick replacement. That`s what happened in 1940.

@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 3 күн бұрын

Why be proud of the fact that a political party that has repeatedly denied reality has been handed a thumping majority when only 60% of the electorate voted at all and only 34% of that 60% voted for Labour?

@humblescribe8522 Күн бұрын

Strange that Toroes never worried much about that during the Thatcher years. The political system is what it is. The fact that people voted tactically to remove the Tories is surely telling?

@JoshuaBarretto 3 күн бұрын

Note that Truss didn't give a speech because in many constituencies it is convention for only the winner to give a speech. I'm extremely glad to see her go, but that particular point of criticism isn't a valid one.

@jeongbun2386 2 күн бұрын

Rachel’s enlightened centrism is making my head explode 💀

@shaneintheuk2026 3 күн бұрын

I think the reason Labour got a narrow margin is that they refused to appeal to their base as extra votes in safe seats don’t help. By moving to the centre they won valuable votes in target seats and avoided motivating Tory voters. Sacrificing Muslim votes is likewise a painful choice but avoided motivating their opponents. I am certain that many of these single issue causes will be tackled in the near future. Palestine is getting easier to support because Israel has alienated its allies. Two children cap is not something any progressive believes in. Give them time.

@briandelaney9710 4 күн бұрын

Pretty shameful excusing the last minute deselection in Chingford

@suewardastrologer 4 күн бұрын

What a pity Sunak wasn’t such a venomous liar.

@carolthomas8528 4 күн бұрын

You seem to have a very short memory- the villains of the piece are Boris and Liz Truss .

@suewardastrologer 3 күн бұрын

@@carolthomas8528 No idea what you’re complaining about, but my memory is long, and what I remember is that Thatcher started this. We are now seeing the end of Thatcherism according to political commentators who know more than I do. And thank all that’s good for that. I have no sympathy for any one of them from 2010 on. And if you’re looking for a fight, take it elsewhere, I’m not interested, I’m getting on with revelling in the luxury of a decent government.

@nolslifegren Күн бұрын

Middle class people in Hampstead are happy , the working class in Britain less so

@Afterthoughtbtw 3 күн бұрын

There should be concern amongst more than just Labour about most of those independent wins. What it boils down to is that a number of Muslim voters are not voting based on what is best for the country they live in, but rather voting based upon what is happening in a completely unconnected country _because of the religion of the people involved_ there. That is serious. And if it's not treated seriously, then people who are anti-immigration and/or anti-Muslim sure as hell will make hay with it. The podcast is in danger of not treating this seriously by labelling it as a generalised 'sectarianism'. It isn't. It is one particular identitarian section (of a larger non-sectarian community, it must be stressed) of society. This isn't multiple groups in society being at each others' throats. Sikhs aren't at the throats of Christians, Jews aren't at the throats of Buddhists, moderate Muslims aren't at the throats of Jains. It is a particularly fundamentalist, literalist section of Muslims with very illiberal views that are driving this, and only that group. It's the same reason that a teacher has had to go into hiding merely for teaching the curriculum. We aren't going to sort this problem out if we aren't willing to even identify it in public without fear of witch-hunt repercussions. And neither identifying it, nor sorting it out, remotely involves being bigoted against Muslims (because if you were, then you would just change one sectarianism for another). But equally, if we don't treat this issue seriously, then the only people who will gain by that will be the current sectarians and the sectarians that will pop up more and more often in opposition.

@williamhenry8914 2 күн бұрын

Good concession speech, but don't forget it's veryy easy to be gracious once the jig is up. Much harder is to be gracious while you are still in the running.

@alisonjackson6982 4 күн бұрын

Wonderful political conversation from the three of you. I’ve subscribed and look forward to your future content ❤

@hughcaskey9542 3 күн бұрын

What a statement how would anyone feel proud of this

@alejandro_mery 3 күн бұрын

Playing well the system is not good politics, it's pragmatic, it's effective, but it's not fair democracy.

@enemywithin1295 3 күн бұрын

15:08 "Foreign policy has reinjected itself into British politics" - I wouldn't exactly call it British politics.

@shaneintheuk2026 3 күн бұрын

If Reform is an argument against First Past the Post we should embrace it. Go back to 1979 and add the Lib Dem’s to the Labour vote and we wouldn’t have had a Tory government after 1979. Reform just shows the Right what it is like to split your vote.

@bobbennett5013 3 күн бұрын

Talk of Labour's victory being built on a shallow base tends to obscure the breadth and depth of the vote for centre-left parties and politicians. Even without including the few remaining centrist Tories, over 500 of those returned to Westminster are moderates or incrementalists.

@j.israelsson 3 күн бұрын

Welcome to a Labour Right Wing Government!

@minimalist279 3 күн бұрын

'Ming vase' carefully carried over linseed oiled wooden floor, wait and see what emerges.

@nolslifegren Күн бұрын

@@minimalist279Austerity for us Lobster suppers for them

@minimalist279 Күн бұрын

@@nolslifegren ..yeah that's the likely menu. Wish to be surprised, hoping the approach was to keep hostile media at bay.

@JohnnyinMN 3 күн бұрын

“A decade of national renewal.” In other words: “We’re screwed. Let’s make the best of it while we re-educate the population to realize they aren’t special.”

@heathermacdonald1924 4 күн бұрын

A second independence referendum in Scotland has not been truly dashed by this result. That is untrue.

@stephenkerensky710 3 күн бұрын

May I offer a Plan? Mr "5-Seats" Garage says he wants to shake up the Commons. Most of the work there is done in committee. There are 80. Wouldn`t it be best to give each of them 16 seats and keep an eye open for the nervous breakdowns? Asking for a friend.

@philby99 3 күн бұрын

Not sure how 400+ seats with just 30% of the votes makes us proud…

@user-cu5nw7kq5b 3 күн бұрын

All elections in the UK have been a misrepresentation. In 2019 more people voted against the Tories, and for "anti-Brexit" parties. Johnson still got in because of FPTP. In 2017 May asked the electorate to give her a mandate, and she lost her majority, with Corbyn getting an equal share of the vote. She still held power by giving the DUP a billion quid. I didn't hear people clamouring for proportional representation after those two events, though admittedly it would be fairer. Labour played its hand well. Under the current system coming second counts for nothing, so our democracy is reliant on people coming out to vote in each constituency. In this case they did, massively in favour of Labour, but it could have gone any way as previous elections demonstrate.

@colincampbell4261 3 күн бұрын

Imagine - millions of people who loved the Tories now hate the Tories. How does it feel?

@user-ez8bx6ly8v 3 күн бұрын

Our system is much better than the American presidency system

@jaybee4288 3 күн бұрын

Most people were voting to get the Tories out, not because they believe in Starmers Labour and it would be foolish to think otherwise. Labours win has as much depth as a puddle. They were just the tactical vote for most places.

@maureenstarr5744 4 күн бұрын

Completely agree

@AB-zl4nh 4 күн бұрын

I voted for Starmer and Labour. After the War on Terror and the erosion of civil rights, it took me some time to regain trust in the party. However, Starmer's initial response to the Israeli bombing of Gaza reminded me of the mistakes made during Iraq. I believe Labour often assumes progressive urban voters will support them regardless, due to the unfair voting system. Yet, on crucial human rights issues, Labour shouldn't need coaxing to take a stand on the right side of history. Foreign policy is emotive and has been instrumental in boosting the SNP and Jeremy Corbyn. They thrive on grievance politics, regardless of the justification of the cause.