Electric Jet Kayak Project - with 3d printed jet pump

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rcandfun

rcandfun

Күн бұрын

Update Videos:
• 15 HP Electric Jet Kay...
• Electric Jet Kayak Update
The Jet Unit .stl files: www.thingiverse.com/thing:524...
Video Chapters:
00:00 - Action clip
00:08 - Talking about the development
03:28 - Tub test
03:43 - More talking about the design process
09:05 - Steering Test
09:12 - More talking
09:56 - Testing on the lake
15:09 - Talking about test results and future plans for this project

Пікірлер: 43
@ddexter8723
@ddexter8723 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome job. Maybe if you add a plat that effectively extended the hull closer to the end of the jet nozzle so that the jet of water will be free from the body of water at lower speeds this might help with efficiency.
@rcandfun242
@rcandfun242 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I already made an aluminum ride plate, to increase jet performance and also to increase the lift at the rear of the boat because right now it is too rear heavy. Hoping to test it soon
@ddexter8723
@ddexter8723 2 жыл бұрын
@@rcandfun242 awesome 😎 looking forward to your next video.
@JakeItsTheCops
@JakeItsTheCops 2 жыл бұрын
Love the build man, I getting something like this going with the SSS 56123 230kv motor.
@cariocatrucking2005
@cariocatrucking2005 Жыл бұрын
Parabéns, lindo projeto 🙌🤝👍🏻👍🏻
@andersonpesca6703
@andersonpesca6703 2 жыл бұрын
Projeto muito bom 👏
@TIMUR-ASKET
@TIMUR-ASKET 9 ай бұрын
where can I buy this miracle?
@psuedo-pp9vf
@psuedo-pp9vf 15 күн бұрын
were you in the kayak during the test?
@leonardolourencao3564
@leonardolourencao3564 3 ай бұрын
Very good project, is the propeller also made using a 3D printer or is it metal?
@Hamza_ah76
@Hamza_ah76 3 ай бұрын
Can i use a n5065 320kv motor running on 42v 10s? Is 80mm jet too big?
@RetroAnachronist
@RetroAnachronist Жыл бұрын
You mention going to an open impeller, but I only see the closed impellers on Thingiverse?
@rcandfun242
@rcandfun242 Жыл бұрын
It's custom support, so that a fdm printer can print the blades as bridges. You can remove the support later to sand the impeller blades
@julienhagen7411
@julienhagen7411 Жыл бұрын
What material did you use for the print? god job buddy!
@rcandfun242
@rcandfun242 Жыл бұрын
PLA, unfortunately... PETG would be a lot smarter but my printer struggles printing it with a .6mm nozzle.
@julienhagen7411
@julienhagen7411 Жыл бұрын
@@rcandfun242 use pa 12 with carbon or fiber
@rcandfun242
@rcandfun242 Жыл бұрын
@@julienhagen7411 that sounds strong, but quite abrasive. I doubt my printer could handle it, but if yours can, it's surely a good idea
@Tyler-be7nh
@Tyler-be7nh Жыл бұрын
What are max RPMs you expect this jet can handle? do you know the most efficient RPMs?
@rcandfun242
@rcandfun242 Жыл бұрын
Good question. Of course the max. RPM's depend on the strengh of the 3d printed Impeller and the concentricity of the drive shaft, the resonance frequencies and dampening of your machine, etc. but since the diameter is only 80mm it should'nt be such a big deal. I had'nt had issues with 15000+ rpm so far. For the efficiency, the lower the speed, the more energy efficient it gets; for the power limit (when the pump starts to cavitate) that I don't know, it seems like a lot more power is needed for this pump to start cavitating.
@gokhankeles8998
@gokhankeles8998 2 жыл бұрын
Nice setup. Better than trolling motor? How much thrusts? Or speed? How many watt draw? I am thinghing to do motorized spearfishing buoy . It seems better for me. But efficiency is important. My trolling motor 240 watt consumpiton produce 24 lbs thrust and 7km speed.
@rcandfun242
@rcandfun242 2 жыл бұрын
If efficiency is your number 1 priority, I would'nt recommend a jet drive (for this speed or vessel sice at least) because it is quite inefficient compared to a big-prop tralling motor. The advantages are the shallow draft, no risk of injuy and (if enough power is provided) a higher top-speed. Dynamic thrust is hard to measure if hull resistance is unknown and static thrust is a rather useless number unless you wanna build a helicopter imo, but the jet consumes about 2.5 kW at full throttle (22.2 Volt, aka 6s battery) and I haven't measured the speed yet but I estimate the current setup (->update video) can do 15+ km/h. I am now waiting for a more powerful speed controller (12s, 400A)for more speed and power and hopefully less overheating issues.
@gokhankeles8998
@gokhankeles8998 2 жыл бұрын
@@rcandfun242 thank you for information. I will build something similar to kontiki
@MrJob91
@MrJob91 2 жыл бұрын
Because you're missing the abundance of energy density that can only be found in conventional fuels, this challenge is a lot harder. But I don't think you failed. Travelling at the speeds that you've shown is pretty useful and viable for fun, energy efficient trips. Would be pretty cool to find the most silent and efficient displacement hull speed possible and design a highly efficient drivetrain without too much RPM and a much larger slower speed jet pump that suits the hull speed. It would be very cool to go on a 2-hour trip at 5-8kmph instead of 10 minutes of 15-20kmph.
@rcandfun242
@rcandfun242 2 жыл бұрын
Engineering is all about compromises... I think the energy density gap between fuel and batteries is less of a problem on this small scale, that's the reason we see electric scooters and bikes with remarkable range etc. but no electric long range planes or ships. Anyway my idea here was to have something that can do both, going slow and efficient with a big(ger) 80mm jet pump and if I want to go fast I can simply switch to a higher voltage battery. The advantage of an electric motor vs gasoline engines, apart from being environmentally friendlier is, that it is efficient at almost any rpm
@MrJob91
@MrJob91 2 жыл бұрын
@@rcandfun242 well i agree with allot of your points but saying it is easy to make a fast jet of water efficiënt and silent. Besides have you calculated how much extra energy is required to plane your displacement hull? Powerful electric motors and controllers require allot of current so you either need a high amp high voltage battery or a very large one. For some hull designs it literally requires 20 times as much energy to make them plane. Weight is especially important. Im a sailor tinkerer and ebike builder. I'd be interested in a silent long range mud/swamp proof kayak with high efficiency. A small volume of water at high speed is noisy and not effciënt if you're traveling at displacement hull speeds. The advantage of a jet drive are that you have nothing sticking out, that you can steer the jet stream instead of a rudder making them perfect in theory for shallows. Have fun building
@rcandfun242
@rcandfun242 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrJob91 You made some good points, a jet kayak can be useful in shallow waters even if it is not very fast. I think the heavier and bigger the vessel, the more energy is required to get it up to speed and on plane out of the water because when scaling up a hull, the lift force increases with the surface area (when at the same speed), so the scaling factor squared, but the weight increases to the power of 3. Furthermore, the more lift is required, the more drag gets created by the lifting surfaces themselves further increasing the power demands. I haven't calculated the lift force of my kayak, but my hope is that such a light craft (100-110 kg including the driver) should be relatively easy to get on plane, especially when much heavier motorised kayaks of comparible size (mokai, aquanami...) can do that too with less then 10 HP.
@AKAtheA
@AKAtheA 2 жыл бұрын
if you want efficiency, you have to throw the jet pump overboard...a big, slow, directly driven propeller on a long shaft like on a Thai-style boat is more efficient, but obviously at the cost of safety and convenience.
@iamkian
@iamkian 2 жыл бұрын
Cool project, but this hull as is will never plain! (remember. A kayak was never designed to plain) My dad and I build 2 jet boards (as in jet surfboard). The last version is using 2 jets and 12S (we are using a battery module from an old Ford EV). The jets are powered by two 56102 600KV motors. I've just finished building an inflatable e-foil too, and I can not wait for summer to arrive 🤙 You can see the 2nd board in action here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e9mCnLGDtMe8hXk.html
@rcandfun242
@rcandfun242 2 жыл бұрын
Snowmobiles were not designed to plane on water either yet they do just fine. With enough speed and power, virtually everything can be a skipping stone. That being said it could be true that I need to add additional lift surfaces on the rear and trim the jet stream down a few degrees, since the kayak is very rear-heavy, to achieve a lower plaining speed. But plaining or not I first need to wait for bigger batteries before I can continue with more serious testing. Unfortunately the supplier has logistical issues right now so it might take a while longer...
@andyleathem9754
@andyleathem9754 2 жыл бұрын
what type of 3d printer do you have?
@rcandfun242
@rcandfun242 2 жыл бұрын
fdm-type. Creality CR-10 with .6mm nozzle
@blackowll3
@blackowll3 2 жыл бұрын
how long do the batteries last?
@rcandfun242
@rcandfun242 2 жыл бұрын
The new ones last so long that I can't tell yet. The small rc batteries in this test only last like 5 minutes...
@abdessamadbenmoussa745
@abdessamadbenmoussa745 2 жыл бұрын
Sir I want to know where I can buy the parts
@rcandfun242
@rcandfun242 2 жыл бұрын
You dont have to buy the parts, I made them available for free on thingiverse (link in video description). And for the electronics, I am still experimenting. Right now I am using turinigy batteries (hobbyking) a 56104 tfl motor and a 180A hobbywing seaking esc
@abdessamadbenmoussa745
@abdessamadbenmoussa745 2 жыл бұрын
I need to where I can buy the parts Please give me the parts names
@rcandfun242
@rcandfun242 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for the interest in this project. As a disclaimer, since this all is highliy experimental and still under development, I would not suggest to you to copy everything I did 1:1 , if you want to build something similar but instead see it as a headstart for your own project. Jet unit: 3d prined (link in description) Motor (as said in the video) is a 56104 420 KV brushless inrunner from "TFL (SSS Motor series)" The Speed Controller is a "Hobbywing" 180A 6S Seaking ESC (but tests have shown it is too small which was not too unexpected as I explained in this video) new Batteries are "Turnigy" 20Ah Li-Po 12-24C (from Hobbyking). RC Controller: good old "Traxxas" TQI . new Servo: generic 20kg/cm standard size servo. Bearing: 608 2RS skateboard bearings with marine grease. Drive-Shaft: 8mm V2A stainless steel, as well as all screws. Kayak: old Robson PE Kayak (they probably dont make them anymore) I hope this answers your question in enough details otherwise feel free to tell me what parts I missed.
@alexlevcenko9103
@alexlevcenko9103 2 жыл бұрын
What size of jet?
@rcandfun242
@rcandfun242 2 жыл бұрын
Impeller diameter is about 80mm
@Eden_M
@Eden_M 2 жыл бұрын
Since I've been struggling with this stuff myself, I'll help you with this, gimme your contact info.
@rcandfun242
@rcandfun242 2 жыл бұрын
Thats a very kind offer, thanks. I have a channel e-mail: rcandfun@protonmail.com
@Eden_M
@Eden_M 2 жыл бұрын
@@rcandfun242 message sent
@blakeylambrix3205
@blakeylambrix3205 Жыл бұрын
Ive been in this venture for few straight years now designing and creating high performance pumps @ 60mm and you would be shocked what my performances have been
@Eden_M
@Eden_M Жыл бұрын
@@blakeylambrix3205 let me guess, since Youngster's Jets.
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