Electric Paramotor ULTIMATE DURATION Testing!

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Tucker Gott

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Timestamps
0:00 Intro
0:24 Giveaway
1:08 The Tests
1:43 Best Case
7:02 Worst Case
11:44 Average Case
14:40 Conclusions

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@TuckerGott
@TuckerGott Ай бұрын
We just restocked the Topography, Classic, and Blueprint in all sizes as well as PPG Bibles. Get them while they're hot and get entered to win this sweet machine! - tuckergott.com/collections/new-arrivals
@Pateramalina
@Pateramalina Ай бұрын
what will happened when battery blow up on fire mid flight. Is there any quick release to dump it ? I saw in previous video you loaded it from top...
@SpeedyDad1
@SpeedyDad1 Ай бұрын
Oh bummer. I wanted the blueprint one but it was out of stock in my size so I ordered the national Forest. Any way to change my order?
@SpeedyDad1
@SpeedyDad1 Ай бұрын
@@Pateramalina This is very unlikely with these types of batteries unless abused. They ltypically will have several safeguards built in that prevent this. I work in the RC hobby field and these batteries usually only catch fire when they are not charged properly. Using the factory charger will prevent this. Even then, they of not explode. Most info on exploding lithium batteries is simply internet bunk.
@doolittlegeorge
@doolittlegeorge Ай бұрын
Got off the ground and gave *"a"* flight time and the form factor of just jamming a battery in there is the least complex way of both engineering and using. Surprised no counter-rotating propellers as this should aid greatly in both control and efficiency without adding a crazy amount of weight. Having a secondary "landing battery" like having a backup parachute seems critical as well so I can understand the giveaway! Some of these systems are becoming incredibly "dense" so the bulkiness of the battery might be set for a tremendous reduction for 2024 anyways. Watching what Aptera is up to for ground transportation might give a clue as to the future of pure play BEV. Turning an actual car into a flying car as pure play BEV is not as complex as people realize and that one might be the one to do it.
@MichaelJohnson-fc5vk
@MichaelJohnson-fc5vk Ай бұрын
Where you turned around at is where I live. That neighborhood is called Castelgate. I hike that area a lot. I've probably seen you flying around too. I've wondered who that was. Now I know. Hopefully you see this comment. I have been wanting to fly like this for awhile. You around town? I would love to learn.
@mlobker1
@mlobker1 Ай бұрын
Thank you for this review. Just know that there are people who like flying these with bigger, more efficient wings, where 1 hour+ flight times can be achieved. I enjoy flying my 27m buzz, and this SP140 is perfect for that, for my style of flying.
@WoodysGamertag
@WoodysGamertag Ай бұрын
I really appreciate you doing this. I can't think of a more trusted tester and I was craving this information. My flying style is basically going up to 3k feet, falling with style, and repeat. However, I'm about 20 minutes from my favorite farm so the range is a concern. I bet Kyle Mooney would love this. :)
@backpackerx
@backpackerx Ай бұрын
I miss your PPG videos. Have they moved to a different channel by chance?
@JimTheKid
@JimTheKid Ай бұрын
Make more paramotor videos woody
@camdynkellett6782
@camdynkellett6782 Ай бұрын
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't excited to see this video! I've seen many of your previous reviews so I know your style, this is gonna be sick! Thanks Tucker!!
@JoeyBlogs007
@JoeyBlogs007 Ай бұрын
Looked like an approx. one hour flight time based in your 6 minute 10% usage, but 44 minutes is not too bad for an initial product. Batteries are improving, so eventually 1 hour flight will likely be achievable under normal conditions.
@SimonAmazingClarke
@SimonAmazingClarke Ай бұрын
Great tests. As I say to people, it depends what your usage case is. I love electric cars, but I don't do long drives very often. And as you pointed out, if you just want to get some air under your feet in an evening, half an hour is perfect.
@kevinlind4640
@kevinlind4640 Ай бұрын
Excellent content!! I would really like to see a video where you use this as a paraglider for a longer flight, flying thermals and/or hang and only boosting with the motor during the start and as required to stay airborne!!
@niconico3907
@niconico3907 Ай бұрын
He doesn't do thermalling. Don't know why.
@znail4675
@znail4675 Ай бұрын
That would require a large and efficient wing and it doesn't seem like he have one of those or even enjoy that type of flying. But this type of motor would be ideal for that as it's easy to throttle back without issues getting it started again.
@kevinlind4640
@kevinlind4640 Ай бұрын
@@znail4675 Exactly my point, electric motors should, at least in theory be perfect for cutting the power and cruising, especially since the range shouldn't be as much of an issue then! I would consider buying one for that reason alone 😊
@stevier3239
@stevier3239 Ай бұрын
This was my thought exactly. Seems like a good, low maint. way for “flatlanders” to climb up and get some thermal time until they have enough time to travel to a launch site.
@MikeR65
@MikeR65 Ай бұрын
@@kevinlind4640 A reasonable argument for electric paramotors..
@hellnawnaw
@hellnawnaw Ай бұрын
An interesting comparison would be the cost of operations. What does it cost to fly 30 minutes on gas vs electric? What about maintenance costs in the long term?
@shawnd567
@shawnd567 Ай бұрын
Great question. Rough numbers and maybe tucker will comment. 2 strokes can do ~40-50mpg. So with expensive gas, $1=10-15 miles. Now for electric. The big battery is 3.7kwh, which tucker used. With charging losses and heat, thats about 4kwh from your outlet. Or about $1 to charge. His normal ride was 30 minutes. Lets say he was doing 30mph. That means he went about ~15 miles for $1. So not a huge difference in cost.
@urazz7739
@urazz7739 Ай бұрын
It would probably have to be over the course of a month for that to happen so he could compare his electric bill before the test to how much his bill jumps to charge the Electric paramotor over a month and then how much gas he spends on refueling an IC paramotor over a month. He'd have to make sure they have the same number of flights per month. I imagine the Electric paramotor is going to be cheaper than the IC paramotor in terms of fueling up/charging up. Big thing with IC paramotors is that they have longer flight times and are much faster to fuel up.
@jwlarocque
@jwlarocque Ай бұрын
@@shawnd567 Depends a lot where you live too, around here 4 kWh is about $0.28, in Hawaii it'd be like $1.25 though. Current US average is $0.155 / kWh so $0.62 for 4 kWh. Maintenance and depreciation might be more important. I'd assume maintenance would be cheaper on the electric since it's so much simpler mechanically, although it might be harder to find expertise if you do need to fix something. The battery cells are rated for ~83% capacity after 700 cycles (0-100-0%) at 10 kW (max continuous power), not sure how that compares to ICE.
@Turbobrat_Motorsports
@Turbobrat_Motorsports Ай бұрын
Great question!! Also, do not forget to remember to add the cost of a second battery, so you can do a hot swap, and fly for an additional 30 or so minutes. In a petrol rig, you just have the cost of the gas can, and the cost of the gas, so landing, refueling, and flying again is much more cost efficient. But, I am loving the view of instant torque, the reduction of noise, and just being different then everyone else. Thanks Tucker, for the great videos!!
@TuckerGott
@TuckerGott Ай бұрын
The Open Ppg site has a price comparison for gas vs electric.
@libertyforamericanow
@libertyforamericanow Ай бұрын
Would be interesting to have a competition on who can have the longest flight with an electric paramotor riding thermals
@PDWhite
@PDWhite Ай бұрын
Some things I would like to add: I think the term "best case" for flight time isn't really typical in this case, as the vast majority of people will not be flying a sporty 16m advanced wing if they are aiming for long flight times. Similarly, for a "normal flight," most people are not flying the most sporty wing, "the Freeride," and performing barrel rolls; this is not an average flight for an average person. Of course, most of us who fly paramotors understand that Tucker is not "normal." However, for those who dont fly paramotors, I think this could use some clarity. As a side note, the battery Tucker is flying here is no longer available, as it has been upgraded to a larger capacity version, increasing from 3.7 kWh to 4.8 kWh. This will proportionally increase the flight time. Therefore, any orders placed going forward will include the new battery design at no additional cost. This also applies to any orders placed within the past month. The curse of electric is that you want to fly longer then you would with gas motor. Just because it is more comfortable to fly but you cant. So that is why it's kinda a curse 😔. But batterys will just be getting better and better so it will be less and less of a curse over time.
@paulrybarczyk5013
@paulrybarczyk5013 Ай бұрын
Not sure if this is obvious, but with an EV pickup like a Ford F150 Lightning, It could easily recharge a couple extra para-motor batteries several times while flying the others. I own a Lightning, and it's GREAT. 🙂
@TweakRacer
@TweakRacer Ай бұрын
Same goes for Hyundai/Kia/Genesis with the backseat onboard inverter or the external V2L adapter. :)
@TweakRacer
@TweakRacer Ай бұрын
Paul's comment should be pinned! 1:52 Immediately realize this "best case test" is MISLEADING. It may be Tucker's "most efficient" glider, but it's a 16M (Ozone's smallest Viper XC), fast cruise speed, cross-country wing.... and is overloaded past Ozone's specification (225# if at 75% of the PPG range, which is already exceeded with just the weight of the PG and pilot here). All of this burns way more power than for the average PPG pilot on a properly loaded beginner to intermediate wing.
@TuckerGott
@TuckerGott Ай бұрын
Of course, this is MY best case scenario with the gear I have available, at my weight, which I cannot change. I bet the vast majority of pilots weigh more than me. As I said, 60 minutes is surely obtainable with different gear. If I could, I wish I could weigh 190lbs and fly a 26m Spyder as that is probably the most common setup.
@PDWhite
@PDWhite Ай бұрын
​@@TuckerGott Ya I probably do a vid with the Spyder 3 as that is a popular wing even if it's not the most efficient. I would love to do a video benchmarking a bunch of different wings. It's just hard to do it all in the same environment setup. As typically I want to do the testing in zero wind so pretty much just have an hour or so in the evening when the thermals die down. But don't really have to do a whole flight on it just need to fly for a few minutes and make sure altitude is being held. So I might do that
@MarkLoves2Fly
@MarkLoves2Fly Ай бұрын
I loved the full length Tucker I'm Jazzed to start flying Electric.
@Sinistral83
@Sinistral83 Ай бұрын
I have been super interested in paramotoring for a long time and I am looking to start soon. I greatly appreciate your testing and it is great to see how effective the electric is compared to gas. Thank you for taking the time to do multiple trials.
@CarolinaGuy
@CarolinaGuy Ай бұрын
Been watching you for years now Tucker. I wish I had the guts to fly like that. It must feel amazing.
@AaronOtt
@AaronOtt Ай бұрын
I’m super excited to see this. I’ve always hated small engine tinkering, and since I love my electric vehicle so much, I have been waiting for the time electric hobby motors become more standard!
@justin_time
@justin_time Ай бұрын
Super awesome video! In terms of video ideas, I'd love to see an altitude test, more so to learn how the effects of large changes in altitude compare between gasoline and electric paramotors. Thanks for posting!
@SEANRMZ
@SEANRMZ Ай бұрын
thanks for all the testing Tucker
@stevewatts5167
@stevewatts5167 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the video, I love the idea of an eparamotor BUT at 78 pounds… that alone is a Deal Breaker… my Power to Fly Atom 80 weighs just over 50 with fuel… more maintenance no doubt but I can’t imagine trying to carry 78 pounds and only flying 30 minutes, Thanks again
@Ragnarok_Rob
@Ragnarok_Rob Ай бұрын
Great video, Tucker!! Answered all my questions.
@dillon8388
@dillon8388 Ай бұрын
Tucker, I am from Canada and coming to AZ next weekend the 27th to get my motorbike and ride it back home. Id be thrilled to come watch you fly somewhere and grab a handshake! Cheers man safe flying. If not ill be looking for ya in the skies while I'm down there.
@dannydaw59
@dannydaw59 Ай бұрын
Where in AZ is he?
@dillon8388
@dillon8388 Ай бұрын
@dannydaw59 mmm I'm not 100% but could be just north of Phoenix in some of his videos flying. I know there's a ppg area by the 303 I think it is.
@fwkb2
@fwkb2 Ай бұрын
I'd love to see how the battery lasts for a climb & glide style of flying, like one might do for practicing wingovers and stuff. And if it's not too boring, compare cost of ownership. What I am most looking forward to is the sound testing. I feel like noise is what gets LZs shut down, and I find it fatiguing too. Silent would be amazing (and impossible) but any improvement would be exciting.
@ralfkruse7565
@ralfkruse7565 Ай бұрын
Tucker, thanks for the temperature check after landing. I think a rise is normal,and the cooling is adequate if you can still touch it with the back of your hand for a certain time. That shows that the thermal design of the whole engine is good. The short flying time is disappointing. 👍😊🇫🇷
@ratherbesurfing7
@ratherbesurfing7 Ай бұрын
Do you feel like you could throw another battery in, and fly again? Could the motor handle it?
@dalbyadventure
@dalbyadventure Ай бұрын
Love that we're able to follow "newish" technology and see the ups and downs (no pun intended) as it grows and gets better. Thanks for being a public test person. Also, I've watched pretty much all of your vids, and I'm frothing at the mouth for another Iceland or Nordic video ;). A man can dream, can't he?
@n7ppg-northwesternpaparamo360
@n7ppg-northwesternpaparamo360 Ай бұрын
Great video as always, just the information I was looking for! The intro reminded me of Bill Nye, which was also awesome. 🤙
@KeatShadows
@KeatShadows Ай бұрын
I enjoyed watching your flights. You are always very entertaining, you have a great station.
@FlyHighParamotors
@FlyHighParamotors Ай бұрын
Thanks for the detailed flight time vid. I also got about the same results so was cool to see the comparison.
@petejr7774
@petejr7774 Ай бұрын
Your videos are the best Tucker!
@matt8cake147
@matt8cake147 Ай бұрын
"Did I just see a flying man? No, impossible" 5 minutes later "Hold up...there he is again!"
@rule1dontgosplat
@rule1dontgosplat Ай бұрын
There are two of us that fly around my town. Every time one of us flies the local facebook page lights up. It’s pretty funny.
@matt8cake147
@matt8cake147 Ай бұрын
@rule1dontgosplat That’s so awesome 😂🤩
@jaywilliams6118
@jaywilliams6118 Ай бұрын
awesome video tucker very informative.
@anthonyburke5656
@anthonyburke5656 Ай бұрын
Tucker, thanks, looking forward to the sounds tests. Do some flights on more staid canopies?
@user-vo8wf9el6x
@user-vo8wf9el6x Ай бұрын
Well I'm broke at least I watch these cool videos it's like in flying awesome
@jonathanangladadavis
@jonathanangladadavis Ай бұрын
Me too
@Vousie
@Vousie Ай бұрын
One thing to note though, is that on this one, you get your one 1/2 hr flight, and then you have to go home 'cause your battery needs to charge for a few hours. On a petrol paramotor, you could just refill the tank and go again. And while you could buy more batteries for this thing, they're probably quite expensive, and given how heavy they are it'd be a lot more weight than a few litres of extra fuel...
@alapon77
@alapon77 Ай бұрын
I'm curious if this is practical and light enough for just getting into a thermal and staying aloft.
@captzoom1778
@captzoom1778 Ай бұрын
That was incredible at 8 minutes 43 seconds that flip you did it was trippy to watch I wasn't ready for it
@TomMinnick
@TomMinnick Ай бұрын
HAHA, Love the BASE promo at the beginning 🤙🤙
@JustOutHereTinkering
@JustOutHereTinkering Ай бұрын
My typical flight is right around 1hr to 1hr 15mins. Maybe 10% of my flights are under 30 mins so this technology just hasnt come far enough to work for me. When it does I'm on board, but not yet....
@tilghmansmith5705
@tilghmansmith5705 Ай бұрын
Great video. Being mostly conservative I can see this working. The range might be disappointing though. There haven't been any truly comprehensive unbiased realistic reviews out there. This one answeredmost of my questions. Excellent review, thanks!
@stephenolender6219
@stephenolender6219 Ай бұрын
Great info. I was hoping i could put this exact motor on a trike, and in place of the usual gas and coolant tank, put an extra one or two batteries. If I could get the batteries in parallel, then it would use all equally, other wise I'd have to hot swap the connectors as each battery goes. The motor is probably undersized for what I want to do but I hope the company will offer improvements.
@rambozo_fpv176
@rambozo_fpv176 Ай бұрын
A 2 blade prop will make a huge difference too.
@bomberaustychunksbruv4119
@bomberaustychunksbruv4119 Ай бұрын
Yes - I can confirm 2 blade will outferform a 3. I run many props on my long range FPV planes (R/C) and the 2 blade props are the go, I have proof through my On Screen displays and logging recharge Amps, distance travelled etc.
@Eric_DP
@Eric_DP Ай бұрын
Having tried out a Surron Ultra Bee for a summer, this was my exact experience with a high power battery. Amazing, instant power for about 20 minutes and then cruising your way back home. Very fun, not the most practical yet.
@simonhales631
@simonhales631 Ай бұрын
As always great video. I would say you are spot on. For your average pilot who goes for a 30 min flight after work, this is a low maintenance higher (hopefully we shall see) reliability option. Suggestion for other videos as I have seen a few other times in the comments, altitude test, how does it compare to a 2 stroke once you get about 6-7k feet?
@ozzie7523
@ozzie7523 Ай бұрын
Tip - Always let your battery cool down before you recharge it as well. You will get more recharge cycles out of it that way.😁
@Robnord1
@Robnord1 Ай бұрын
Letting it cool is safer too. Less likely to go 💥
@zefallafez
@zefallafez Ай бұрын
Wouldn't the BMS prevent it from charging if it were too warm?
@ozzie7523
@ozzie7523 Ай бұрын
@@zefallafez Possibly, but i doubt it.
@oasntet
@oasntet Ай бұрын
@@ozzie7523 Temperature sensors in BMSes are really cheap and easy. I would be seriously surprised and disappointed if this battery pack didn't use one; that's the sort of penny-pinching I'd expect from a knock-off tool battery maker, not a custom expensive niche product maker.
@PilotA51
@PilotA51 Ай бұрын
I would be surprised if the BMS doesn't have any kind of thermal protection when charging. That's like rule number one for preventing thermal runaway. Even my power tool batteries won't charge until they cool down, at least the ones for my string trimmer which get the hottest. It's relatively simple to include a temperature sensor in the pack and not charge at all until it drops below a threshold, or ideally factor it into the charge profile.
@user-fd3ds7fc3s
@user-fd3ds7fc3s Ай бұрын
It's good technology of future :) nice information, thanks for your work!
@troyrager1352
@troyrager1352 Ай бұрын
Cool to think about as battery tech improves, for short flights its great, for anyone wanting cross country or all day flights its just not there yet, its more of a purpose rig for competitive flying or a quick ride after work right now.
@dionbritten5777
@dionbritten5777 Ай бұрын
Beautifully presented, bro 👊🏻🤙🏻 i will one day own a paramotor 🙏🏻
@theskiviking9007
@theskiviking9007 28 күн бұрын
Great idea with the altitude lock programming. Tesla feature bonus material/perks.
@RobsNeighbor
@RobsNeighbor Ай бұрын
Love the content!
@MrCPPG
@MrCPPG Ай бұрын
I never thought I would see the day Tucker flying a production electric paramotor.
@cloudpandarism2627
@cloudpandarism2627 Ай бұрын
ALTITUDE HOLD is something i am working on since months! strange that you mentioned that tucker 😁
@bhaskarparam9711
@bhaskarparam9711 Ай бұрын
I would love to see more electric videos
@tzgardner
@tzgardner Ай бұрын
Thanks for your review. I'm very excited to someday transition over to electric paramotor. But it does not seem like the technology is quite there yet. Disappointing that you had such loss of power as the battery drained. Also, for me, the battery life would need to be x2 or x3 what you're showing for me to make that leap.
@shawnd567
@shawnd567 Ай бұрын
Yup thats where im at as well. Even electric cars are disappointing in this regard.
@zenmaster8826
@zenmaster8826 Ай бұрын
Wonder if hybrid is possible..🤔
@sannmarc
@sannmarc 8 күн бұрын
I would advise to turn the battery pack around, inserted from below. if it caches fire, drop it and go down safely, especially since you are burning the full range of the battery. they do not like that. and one more thing, there is the 'revolution' in prop tech, that would fit your channel! if and once it is out there!
@thepunisher8078
@thepunisher8078 Ай бұрын
very nice video that's just how you roll fly safe and jump safe
@derianparsad5659
@derianparsad5659 Ай бұрын
Hi is it possible to buy an extra battery so that you can land, battery swap and immediately go flying again? If it is possible to buy extra batteries, how much do they cost? And how long will a battery drained to 10%, take to charge back up to 90% from an electric vehicle with the ability to charge if (eg a Ford Lightening truck)
@sock501
@sock501 Ай бұрын
Do you think that it would be more efficient/a better use case to use this motor to power up to altitude and then glide around with it shut off for a while, rinse and repeat? Maybe chase thermals?
@kens97sto171
@kens97sto171 Ай бұрын
Amazing video.. as always. I was a little surprised by the power fall off .. . I thought you said this had a LFP chemistry battery. I watch a lot of car EV channels.. and one thing that they always mention.. is that LFP batteries give almost full power right to the end. There is not as much voltage difference between Full and Empty on LFP. chem... Love to see the new tech.. and this will only improve with time. Be cool to have a EV truck as your base.. and have it recharging batteries while you are flying.. You would need probably 5 pack to to fly continuously.
@lehazing5957
@lehazing5957 Ай бұрын
do you think it would be possible to have a second battery with you and Land shortly for switching batteries... just to maybe extend the range
@TODOHOBBYURUGUAY
@TODOHOBBYURUGUAY Ай бұрын
Muy linda Máquina
@repaid1317
@repaid1317 Ай бұрын
Was waiting on this video to just see the performance. I must say only Tucker can turn a 360° and head back the way he came @4:08 . 2 years ago I would have loved to be able to win/fly this thing. Unfortunately my health now prevents me from running (Or even walking) with this thing on my back, so bummer for me. Can't wait to hear the lucky person who gets this and takes or has lessons to be able to fly a para-motor. I sure hope this thing doesn't end up on Ebay or something. Best of luck to all that follow Tucker. BTW, Mildred (Tuckers "Chase" camera) was named after my submitted grandmother's name and I was recognized on his channel...so I got that piece of history in my life! I proudly wear my Risky Biscuits merch, my favorite is "Don't report Tucker to the FAA!"
@9abe9
@9abe9 Ай бұрын
Awesome! I don't know how much range it would add, but if you could hook some solar cells on top of your wing, that would be sick!
@moonasha
@moonasha Ай бұрын
also worth mentioning that as time goes on batteries degrade, especially if they're being charged to 100%.
@fredread9216
@fredread9216 Ай бұрын
Good info. Thanks. What is the battery chemistry 14th?
@dr_harrington
@dr_harrington Ай бұрын
I'm sure that I'm in good company among your subscribers as a paraglider pilot who dreams of only having a motor as a back up in case that spot I was sure I'd find lift at didn't pan out, or if the landing spot I chose turned out to have a wire fence when I got closer. Would be nice to have second chances in flight. So the next test I'd like to see is how does it handle thermalling mid-day.
@billforrest9002
@billforrest9002 Ай бұрын
Man would I love to do that looks like do much fun
@maxpoulin64
@maxpoulin64 Ай бұрын
From an electronics perspective, 80C isn't too bad for what it's doing. Some of those chips are rated to 105C sometimes even higher. Also the hotter it gets the more it's able to dissipate in the environment, so a plateau at 80C on MOSFETs is pretty good. Obviously cooler is better but you probably don't want to carry around a 20lbs radiator just to make it mildly colder!
@jaredz9507
@jaredz9507 Ай бұрын
This peramotor is pretty amazing, i will say as someone who is very familiar with EVs dont use cruse control. Try to modulate the throttle as efficient as possible if its possible see if you can see the amp draw or the wattage. You can really get good range with evs don't work the motor as hard as possible with the given condition, love your vids man.
@jefflowe8803
@jefflowe8803 14 күн бұрын
Not a pilot, but I fully agree with you man, I dont like the throttle display cutting out and the range is not there I think. I assume though more range means bigger battery and more weight so not sure if there is a sweet spot for this yet
@ThomasGrillo
@ThomasGrillo Ай бұрын
Tucker, you need to run this exact same set of tests when it's hot, or warm. 85, to 95F. I've recently learned that batteries of this type tend not to perform as well in cold, or cool weather. I'd like to see if that hold true for this batter in warm or hot weather. Of course that's also going to affect lift, and thrust efficiency, as well. Thanks for the awesome video! :)
@zachmoyer1849
@zachmoyer1849 Ай бұрын
i have an Ebike i use all year cold and hot. There is def a difference when its really cold but the battery naturally warms itself as you use it so if you have it in a temperature controlled House, then vehicle, then quick setup time the battery temp is likely not gonna change much until you get down to really cold temps that you probably would not even fly in. basically its negligible unless its really cold out.
@repaid1317
@repaid1317 Ай бұрын
I concur with the previous comment. I have been flying these batteries for many years and cold temps basically don't effect them when used correctly. You take them from a normal ambient temperature. Install and then fly. They easily produce enough internal temp to keep them warm well past what one would fly themselves or any aircraft in. I don't have any actual data, but would think that the cooler temps would actually promote longer battery health as the battery wouldn't "overheat" itself as it would in summer heat.
@genericusername6644
@genericusername6644 Ай бұрын
The excess heat acts as a catylst?
@swecreations
@swecreations Ай бұрын
By the time these batteries will start to be affected you will be long-gone, and home under a warm blanket.
@searchandsave142
@searchandsave142 Ай бұрын
Well done and very informative. Would it be practical to stow a second battery theoretically increasing fly time and range ?
@MrTemzi
@MrTemzi Ай бұрын
Perfect time for you to review this motor! I've been wanting it for almost a year now but there always comes something else i need to use my savings to😅. hope to win the giveaway but if not i just need to save for it a bit longer and just focus on paragliding for now😁
@grejen711
@grejen711 Ай бұрын
I have flown the X4 for a couple years so I'm pretty familiar with electric power. Compared to the SP140 the X4 is less efficient due to the smaller propellers but the batteries I use are of a bit higher mass/energy density. The advertised "40-60" mins I believe is "Flight time" not run time. You should include the time to descend after the battery runs out. 44 minutes ending at 500ft is a bit different from 44 minutes ending with 1000', or on the ground. When you're flying ICE and you have say 1 hour of fuel, you know that the climb out will burn fuel faster but you gain the time back when idling down burning almost nothing. That all said your test for the casual flight hit on the need for a 'go around' or two and leaving some juice available for that. Your test is very forgiving there because of your high level of skill and comparatively large, open, and safe LZ. I fly in an area with lots of tall trees and small LZs and I'm a newer pilot so I'd never run that over 30 minutes. I fly a boaty ;) wing and I'm only 170lbs, but I'd be wanting to be on the ground with 20% left for healthy go around performance.
@lobbyrobby
@lobbyrobby Ай бұрын
Great testing here. I like this thing for what it is. I'd like to find out a little more about the durability of that frame and should a guy happen to have a rough landing is it somewhat easy/cheap to repair or would it be expensive? Thank you
@blue_beephang-glider5417
@blue_beephang-glider5417 Ай бұрын
For a lot of people electric hang or parra-motors are launch platforms to chase thermal flights with a fly home inbuilt. Could you try catching thermals on a couple of flights power off while thermaling and gliding down to a start altitude?
@thewizzzzard
@thewizzzzard Ай бұрын
So cool!!
@ArnieLowrey-xv1tk
@ArnieLowrey-xv1tk Ай бұрын
Thanks for the very informative video. I don't understand why in the ppg application that battery tech is not moving along much faster? It seems to me that other than flight time, that electric paramotors are superior in every other metric, please educate me if I am misguided?
@BobthePilot
@BobthePilot Ай бұрын
The RPM in level flight cruise would be useful.
@kchatleain1
@kchatleain1 Ай бұрын
Please make more of the cactus shirts. Thanks
@FSAPOJake
@FSAPOJake Ай бұрын
Electric paramotors are much much simpler devices and should require a lot less maintenance (not to mention the precise "throttle" contol and instant torque makes flying a breeze), but until battery technology gets better, it really does limit the use case. You won't be out flying all day like you could be with a gas paramotor.
@ChessMasterNate
@ChessMasterNate Ай бұрын
If you had several batteries and a generator that could charge a few at a time, you could. Probably cost prohibitive. The faster they charge, the fewer you would need for near continuous flight. You just can't get too far from the landing zone. I don't know why someone would want to fly continuously from dawn to dusk. I would think they would want breaks for meals, toilet, and leg-stretching, at the very least.
@mofayer
@mofayer Ай бұрын
Small engines are plenty reliable. A higher end 2 cycle engine will easily match a battery pack life. The main reason why I would be interested in an electric one is decreased noise and vibration.
@psguardian
@psguardian Ай бұрын
Bi-blade vs the tri-blade, on electric. While the bi would be less aggressive, it would also pull less amps on the front half of the flight. Possibly a happy medium for longer casual flights.
@justgooutdoors
@justgooutdoors Ай бұрын
Were you using the same battery and recharging or swapping the battery between tests?
@mikerider1237
@mikerider1237 Ай бұрын
Have someone weld you up a nice aluminum bracket that attached to the frame under the existing battery in line with the other one. Perfect alignment. So it looks top notch. Paint the bracket of course and mabye have a 3 velcro strap in the back that hold that spare battery. You would double your distance. I always pack an extra battery on my ebikes , plus i bring my charger. Most milage ive done with two packs was 75 miles. But if i bring my charger i get a lot more when im eating i charge etc. after that you just get tired and dont want to go any farther. I have a peddle assist only bike.
@TuckerGott
@TuckerGott Ай бұрын
But then you have a 121lb paramotor. 😑
@mikerider1237
@mikerider1237 Ай бұрын
@@TuckerGott I know, a was thinking the extra weight would be an issue. I don't notice much of a difference on my ebikes. What does an average paramotor weigh??
@shanesplanetshane3795
@shanesplanetshane3795 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the vid! No purchase necessary to enter sweepstakes and giveaways. I admire your sense of generating revenue, but not a fan of enticing sales by leading people to think they have to buy things to enter a giveaway. Don't let the lure of profits lead you too much. Wow, the throttle housing is 3d printed? I would expect something molded or milled. 40miutes aint much, but neither is a 16 meter glider. Once battery tech doubles in efficiency per pound, I'll be looking at electric. Until then, its similar fate with cars. Works great if you dont mind short time use, don't mind lithium and don't ask about recycling/costs. Fwiw, Im a 125lb pilot that enjoys flying a 27m pg wing...
@GCTWorks
@GCTWorks Ай бұрын
You should post ambient temperature for yhe flights. Temperature can greatly affect battery performance.
@jstudios3756
@jstudios3756 Ай бұрын
A 3 blade prop will also decrease efficiency if you were to fly with a 2 blade you would increase the flight time but decrease the performance. As an FPV drone pilot you can definitely notice the difference with the prop when it comes to flight time and performance.
@wooduniversity7109
@wooduniversity7109 11 күн бұрын
So, you did a 360 and made it back? Amazing.
@John-N797
@John-N797 Ай бұрын
I think as the battery technology advances electric paramotors will become more common. Currently there are batteries with 4 times mass to power index almost ready for manufacture. Which means with the same weight and size of battery, we will be able to get 4 hours of flight time. That will make a lot more sense. Plus the charging time will be greatly reduced.
@richarddevaottien7724
@richarddevaottien7724 Ай бұрын
That red glow next to the setting Sun Simulator is "The Destroyer" planet Nibiru😮
@56932982
@56932982 Ай бұрын
What about using this thing motor-glider style? I.e. use the motor to start and get to altitude. Then shut of the motor and use thermals to stay up. Like motor assisted paragliding. If someone is into paragliding but lives e.g. in the mid-west plains, something like this or a winch is needed to get started. But a winch requires a ground crew. This thing can do without.
@jimkerns2568
@jimkerns2568 Ай бұрын
Get an E-winch, you can self launch with the remote. No ground crew required.
@CharlesVanNoland
@CharlesVanNoland Ай бұрын
Thanks T-Gottem!
@toweleeielite
@toweleeielite Ай бұрын
so could you sacrifice some performance for range by using a 2 blade prop?
@Bowl_of_Cereal_Gaming
@Bowl_of_Cereal_Gaming Ай бұрын
The thing that is off putting to me as someone who is saving up for a paramotor is the thought that while a gas engine has the capability to go for a couple hours and shouldn't really lose that capability much. An electric paramotor has a realistic max flight time of around 30 minutes and that flight time will only become smaller. That's why I think it would be interesting if you could compare how much money it would take to replace the battery to how much money spent on replacement parts that a gas paramotor would need in the amount of time it would take for the electric paramotor to lose enough battery life to where you get like 15 minutes max.
@repaid1317
@repaid1317 Ай бұрын
Believe it or not all that info is easily googled or has been covered in the past. That battery is $2200 to replace. It is easily (with proper storage and use) going to last about 3 years for the "normal" pilot. Now factor that in to rebuilding or replacing a Moster engine over the same period, I think the results you will find will give you a astonishing outlook. Giving the fact that Gas/oil engines operate at about $6 a hour and Electric at about 70 cents, Electric could be a huge market, so much so that since Tuckers video...these things are on back order and have sold out. One point going with battery degradation on this type of battery, the worst thing to do is to drain them to zero, which Tucker just did a couple times (at least). IMHO this battery should be replaced before the giveaway. Or at least inform winner to watch it carefully.
@Bowl_of_Cereal_Gaming
@Bowl_of_Cereal_Gaming Ай бұрын
@@repaid1317 does the per hour cost include gas/electricity cost or just repair costs?
@NotBarbraStreisand
@NotBarbraStreisand Ай бұрын
@@Bowl_of_Cereal_Gaming You can run the numbers yourself and see that they don't include both maintenance and fuel/electricity. Assume $0.3 per KWh (Texas is half that; California is double). Charging the 3.7KWh battery costs $1.11 and the battery lasts half an hour so the cost per hour is a little over $2.
@AcrimoniousMirth
@AcrimoniousMirth Ай бұрын
To be fair to it battery capacity diminishes to 80%, and not really further unless cells die (and you can replace them). 80% of your half hour is 24 minutes, not 15, and a lot will depend on your flight style and other efficiencies in your system. But yes absolutely if you want longer flight time then fuel still has the best accessible energy density.
@lifewithNickj
@lifewithNickj Ай бұрын
Super cool for sure, great info . just not sure i would spend 8k to fly 30 min at a time. it is interesting for sure and i would fly the heck out it if won for sure. stay safe have fun...
@doepnerar
@doepnerar Ай бұрын
Recommend you get a thermal camera and repeat the high drain test. It would be interesting to actually "see" how hot things get.
@RaymerProductions
@RaymerProductions Ай бұрын
This video is already out dated because open ppg no longer sells the 3.7kwh battery and it comes with a 4.8kwh battery now at the same price. That being said you could probably add 20% to all these numbers in the video. Also probably add another 10% or more because most people arent flying a sporty 16m glider like tucker is. Just some things to consider.
@skyflux
@skyflux Ай бұрын
Impractical video suggestion: On the way to the field put a fully charged, secondary battery pack in a buried cache upwind where you can land mid flight and swap. Get ~80-90 minutes flight time.
@jethrobradley7850
@jethrobradley7850 Ай бұрын
Even more impractical video suggestion: arrange for a buddy in a hot air balloon to dangle a second fully-charged battery below the basket. Somehow retrieve this battery and fumble dangerously with it as you try to swap out the old one. Eventually drop the spent battery back into the basket of the balloon (without maiming anyone) and then continue on your way. But yeah, maybe your suggestion is a little easier...
@The18107j
@The18107j Ай бұрын
@@jethrobradley7850 Even less practical solution: run a really long extension cable so you can fly without even needing a battery.
@jethrobradley7850
@jethrobradley7850 Ай бұрын
@@The18107j sometimes the simplest solutions are the best
@masonbarron8313
@masonbarron8313 Ай бұрын
luv u tucker
@SkywalkerPaul
@SkywalkerPaul Ай бұрын
No diddy
@mikedunn7795
@mikedunn7795 Ай бұрын
The biggest takeaway for me was that he was able to be clearly understood against the "noise" from the motor compared with a gas job.
@davevieyra
@davevieyra Ай бұрын
Very cool, electric motor. How much does a rig like this cost? Thanks
@Sparky-Tim
@Sparky-Tim Ай бұрын
Great video Tucker. 3 questions, what's the charge time, could you run it on a trike & could they provide a backup battery to help with emergency landings. A bit like a reserve tank in a car that you can switch to. Looks like Arizona is treating you well, best of luck mate. 👍
@ThirtytwoJ
@ThirtytwoJ Ай бұрын
Id do a trike as a hybrid, better energy density for weight and less danger while still getting elec benefits. ..til it suddenly drizzles.
@brandonnonya3680
@brandonnonya3680 Ай бұрын
It would be nice to see max altitude climb. Obviously different gliders perform different but something tells me you wouldn't be climbing nearly as high as your moster
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